Am I the only one who is salivating at the prospect of Solomon Alabi playing extended minutes? Alabi going toe-to-toe against Dwight Howard, Nene, Blake Griffin, Joakim Noah on a nightly basis? That’s like watching The New Guy go up against Machete. We would be witnessing the “coming of age” of Alabi, who would have his feet held to the fire culminating in a proper NBA initiation. None of this D-League BS where he gets to tip-toe his way to rebounds and soft jumpers, this initiation would be like drenching him in blood before throwing him into shark-infested waters.

Where is this coming from? From the forum thread that speaks of Dwane Casey being very high on him, and from the mini-camp he had. Quickly looking at the current true center depth chart we have:

» Alabi

Yup, that’s it. Alabi. As you might’ve heard, Andrea Bargnani is not a center which leaves Alabi as the lone big man on the roster. Alexis Ajinca is not under contract (not that it matters) so if the season started this very day the Raptors starting lineup would be: Calderon, DeRozan, Bargnani (PF), Kleiza and Alabi (C). No, Amir Johnson will not be asked to play center because that’s not what he does. Johnson only missed 10 games last year but was playing with niggling injuries about 20% of the time. Do we really want to stretch his capacity to take physical punishment by shuffling him over to center and face even bigger, stronger guys? I would vote that down.

When I suggested to Rob Mahoney that the center is the pillar of Casey’s defense, he agreed, which now leads me to ask you: how comfortable are you with Solomon Alabi being the pivot who is supposed to be the central figure in Casey’s defense? Taking into account that next year is a rebuilding year as well, we have one major risk to deal with: if Alabi sucks as the defensive center, is the whole year a wasted exercise?

Let me explain. All is swell if Alabi steps in and becomes Samuel Dalembert but without the the shitiness of Samuel Dalembert. The Raptors will be lauded for grabbing him with pick #50, he’ll be considered a steal and a defensive stalwart for years to come. Casey’s defense will have a core building block, and he could even symbolize the Raptors’ defensive identity along with Ed Davis and Jose Calderon (haha…just joking, seeing if you were paying attention).

What if he fails? Would Casey’s defensive schemes be up for fair measurement without a proper big? If there is not at least an above-average defensive center in there, and the Raptors fail miserably next year, would Casey simply get a pass because of poor personnel? It sounds like for Casey to do what he needs to do, he requires a framework to work with, and asking an unproven commodity like Alabi to play such a massive role appears to be too big of a risk because so much of the defense hinges on that position. Another argument could be that if we’re doing a rebuild in earnest, then a year with Alabi at center is logical in the name of development.

The ideal solution is to “bring him along” slowly, which is fine if the Raptors could afford to sign a starting center and have Alabi back him up playing 15-20 minutes a night, thus entirely eliminating any ill-advised situation which would call for Johnson to play center. Then the depth chart would read (remember, Casey already said Bargnani will not be the starting center):

C: New guy, Alabi
PF: Bargnani, Johnson, Davis

This isn’t even counting Kleiza who played a bit of PF last year too. The problem now becomes that Davis, a key cog in the machine, is the third-string power forward. Something’s got to give. My opinion: The Raptors cannot rely on Amir Johnson being that center, and unless Alabi is tearing it up large this summer against NBA competition, he will not be the first choice center and the Raptors will acquire a legitimate big, thus producing the above predicament. How do you deal with it?

Trade from your strength and address another position, maybe the point guard or the small forward. The odd man out here is…I’ll go with Johnson. He might only be 24, but his ceiling is easier to predict than Davis’, whose game is viewed through the rose-colored glasses of potential. Johnson also happens to have a contract that is reasonable and thus, easier to trade. Bargnani is still untouchable no matter what Colangelo says, so all you #FreeAmir fans, you might have seen the last of him. Please don’t cry about it…

  • BONG_BELLY_PICKNEY

    amirs under contract. bargs is under contract…ed’s family was livid we drafted him and he’s on a rookie contract with no guarantee he’ll sign long term with us…considering certain american players disdain for playing here in the great white north this is a no brainer as of right now…on the other hand if ed commits.say bye bye to amir.

    …and before the cumshot posse comes in here ready to shoot. remember this. bargs was asked to play c. he’s not a c. never was a c. but he did it for management, for the coaches and for the team…i still contend that if jordan didnt screw us last season out of diaw and chandler this team would have been playoff bound.

    and arse, salivating over alabi? please dont. lay off the meth. before the games begin colangelo will find us a real c.

    • Nilanka15

      I don’t remember reading anything about Ed’s family being “livid” we drafted him.  Do you have a source?

      • points

        it wasn’t written ,did you watch the draft it was like steve francis (body lang.)

        • Nilanka15

          I did watch the draft.  And I didn’t see anything that was cause for concern from Davis, or his family.  He’s always been extremely expressionless.

    • Superjesusman

      ” he’s not a c. never was a c.”
      Well, he’s not a very good PF either…

    • Bendit

      The Italian national team has him as the starting centre.

       

      • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

        Is that seriously forreal? Any links? 

        If Barg’s starts at Center for Italy this summer then BC’s & AB’s ‘AB is a PF not a Center’ bullchit will be exposed to even the most hard core AB/BC supporter as diarrhea of the mouth as they scheme to steal money & time from faithful Rap’s ticket, merchandise buying fans in exchange for lies & deceptions- Pasta!

        • p00ka

          Soooooo, your point is that he is a C because see, the Italians know better and AB & BC are just saying he`s not to steal $$$ ? I see you`ve put a great deal of thought into this. Answer this quickly,,, is your frig locked securely

          • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

            No that’s not my point, troll.

            • p00ka

              Fool, that’s what it looks like. Tell us where it doesn’t say that.

    • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

      Sorry, but Davis and family were upset about their son falling to 13, not who he was drafted by.  It’s funny when Brandon Knight had the EXACT same reaction when he fell to Detroit, no one claimed he hated Detroit drafting him.  

      • points

        who cares about what Brandon Knight reaction was on draft night thats for Detroit fans to worry about

        • Ihatehaters

          Reading comprehension fail.

  • BONG_BELLY_PICKNEY

    lmmfao…the italian media picked up the picture of andrea that was originally posted on realgm then plucked and put here by arse and where he renamed bargs, “andre borg”.

    http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/altrisport/basket/articoli/65135/tu-chiedi-e-il-mago-risponde.shtml

    one person asks, “dear bargs, as a big in the nba how do you average less rebounds then gallinari and bellinelli”

    id say the heats on bargs to become more american,less nice guy and become a stat hoarding yankee douchebag. u know get tatted up, grow a mohawk, bring a pistol to practice, fight teamates for those 2/3 extra boards to get your average up to 10 like bosh did….then the kids will love him.

  • cesco

    I remember Casey saying that Andrea is not a center , I don’t remember him saying he will not be starting at center meaning that if they have found no one to start at center , Andrea will be (unfortunately for him) the starting center .

    • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

      Casey also said that Val isn’t a center that he’s currently a PF that they hope will grow into a center in the future- sound familiar?

      • p00ka

        Sooooo, you`re point is…………… that this shows that Casey must be in on the conspiracy too,,,,,,, um because they`re both obviously C`s

        • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

          Conspiracy?

          What the fuck are you talking about?

          My point is what Casey said- str8 up & down.

          If they’re both obviously C’s then why did BC, Casey & even AB himself call Barg’s a PF & why did Casey say that about Val on draft night- they are the people currently in control of the Rap’s?

  • Houdini324

    I agree..I think it’s Davis that gets traded not because he’s the best candidate to trade but because I don’t see him staying here long term. If the new CBA comes in with some new wrinkles..then all bets are off

  • Nilanka15

    Bargnani’s been a centre for the past 3 years.  It’s not a position he was asked to play out of “necessity”.  After all, we did have Rasho and O’Neil around while Bargnani played centre.
    Regardless, it’s all semantics anyway.  From a help-defence point of view, both the power forward and centre are expected to rotate and protect the paint.  And 5.2 rpg as a power forward is terrible.  IMO, this is all just BC speak in an effort to keep Bargnani’s trade-value from plummeting.  If he can convice some poor sap of a GM that Bargnani is actually better suited playing the 4, then I’m sure he’ll pull the trigger.

    Having said that, we still don’t have a true centre on our roster.  I’m not sure how wise it would be to sign a veteran centre to a long-term deal, just to fill the gap…especially with Valanciunas waiting in the wings.  Maybe Alabi and a Kurt Thomas type (on a 1-yr contract) is all we need for the upcoming (most likely shortened) season, while Davis and/or Amir can play spot minutes at centre if needed.

    Lastly, although I would rather see Bargnani traded than Davis or Amir, there is a lot of redundancy between the latter two.  They’re both fringe starters, both PFs, both limited offensively, both decent rebounders and defenders, both have tradeable contracts, both are coachable and shown a willingness to improve on weaknesses, etc.  In terms of roster balance, they’re the exact same player.  Whether Bargnani stays or leaves, it would make sense to trade Davis or Amir in an attempt to address other needs.

    • Statement

      I agree with the Bargs sentiment.  PF or centre, it doesn’t matter except that one of them has to be the anchor that communicates defensively, calls out switches, screens etc.  Of course, if I had my druthers I would ship Bargs out, but, alas, I don’t.

      I disagree with the Amir and Davis sentiment.  Both are good players (Amir IMHO was the best player on the team last year).  Why not have strong depth at the PF position and keep both as part of the big man rotation.

      I just can’t see parting with Amir. His contract is below-market and he brings lots of defensive and offensive value (the latter through his impressive offensive rebounding abilities, and his relatively high and improving FT%).  IMHO Amir is exactly the type of asset you need (providing good value) and was an extremely smart signing by Colangelo.

      Ed Davis I’m less sold on, but he has good potential and that alone should keep him on the team at least through his rookie-scale contract. 

      Amir and Ed are not the problem as both provide good value for dollars.  Jose provides value, but not enough given his pay.  Of course, Bargs is an albatross, but that has been talked about to death.  If you want to fix the team, fix the crappy contracts, period.  Don’t give up the ones which are good value.

    • Theswirsky

      ‘redundancy’ at the same position is not a bad thing.  If you had redundancy between numerous positions I can see that as being a problem (ex. have 2 wings that can’t shoot 3s, handle the ball or defend… kind of like Demar and Sonny), but at the same position that offers consistency. 

      Amir and Ed are only fringe starters because this team has too many PFs.  Assuming Ed keeps progressing (since he is a rookie) he will be a starter in the league, and Amir could start on a lot of teams right now.  At worst he’s a 20-30 minute 6th man.

      Amir and Ed are the two best value players on this team.  They are both young and have room to improve (and Amir has shown he can improve his game without giving up what he does best).  Unless this team goes into ‘playoff’ mode this year neither should be traded.  If either are traded BC better get a fantastic offer.  To date in the NBA a team either needs extremely valuable contracts or able to spend a wad of cash to get far.  I imagine value contracts will be even more important under the next CBA.

      • Kingraptors

        I’d say Taj Gibson/Joahkim Noah is a redundancy for the Bulls but it’s turning out to be great for them because they bring all the elements needed to win basketball games — hustle, effort on both ends of the floor and tenacity. I’m not saying Ed Davis/Amir Johnson are on par with those guys but if they continue to develop I don’t see why not.

        • Nilanka15

          I wouldn’t call Gibson/Noah redundant because they play alongside each other (power forward and centre).  But with Davis and Amir, there won’t be too many situations where they’re on the court at the same time, thus the redundancy.  Which one starts, which one plays crunch time, which one gets the bulk of the PF minutes?  Hopefully one of the two establishes seperates himself from the pack.

          • Theswirsky

            “with Davis and Amir, there won’t be too many situations where they’re on the court at the same time, thus the redundancy.”

            to me thats the exact reason why their ‘reduncancy’ is not a liability but rather an asset.  Now if one has issues with not getting enough minutes that could be a problem, but thats a completely seperate from redundancy.  Its also a bridge that should be crossed when you get there… because if one doesn’t have a problem playing 20 minutes vs 30+ then the team is set at that position for a long time.

            • Nilanka15

              I agree in theory, but let’s look at a hypothetical example.  If you had Derron Williams and Chris Paul on the same roster, wouldn’t you agree that it would be redundant?  It’s nice to think that each would play 24mpg, but is that really the best way to use both players? 

              I’m simply not a fan of the platoon system.  I like 8-man rosters with established, heavy minute starters, complimented with serviceable bench players.  But in the case of Davis/Amir, neither is an established starter (yet).  Hopefully that changes sooner rather than later.  But if one can be packaged with, let’s say, James Johson to get a player like Wilson Chandler, I would be tempted to deal.

              • Theswirsky

                yeah but we aren’t talking 2 superstars.  We are talking 2 good players neither of which have needed/demanded more minutes or time, and neither have shown that they could be or should be ‘the man’ on their team.  Like I said that doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but there has also been no signs that it will.  Cross that bridge when you get there….

                Now filling a need or upgrading a position is nice (ie. Chandler), and trading one of those two may be needed to it (but I hope thats only in a last resort situation… ie. anyone other than Ed or Amir first), but again thats a seperate situation than ‘redundancy’.

      • jlongs

        +1 on redundancy on the same position. If the most efficient players on a team can play the full 48 minutes of every game, then that can only lead to good things. That’s what we potentially have in Amir/Ed. The only down side that I see to this set up is that both of them need to get stronger, and that’s their major weakness.

  • Daniel

    Alabi is a joke. Andrea should be our starting PF. Period. Then use either Amir or Davis as trade bait for an SF or C. I personally prefer Amir to stay because I have a soft spot for players who improve drastically in one or two skills one season from another.

  • Ambidextrious

    Doesnt anybody remember Bargs saying that he would like to go somewhere warm. If any one has hinted at bolting its Bargs. He wants out, problem is he aint leaving just yet. He as a few more years on that contract of his. Trade his ass, start Ed And bring Amir off the bench. 

  • Kingraptors

    As of now Alabi definitely has the best shot to be the C, unless he impresses everyone during training camp I can’t see how he plays more than 10 minutes. 

    Bargnani on the other hand, OMG!! It felt throughout last season he was averaging less than 3 rebounds a game not the 5 that’s listed, for God’s sake 7 Foot tall, 250 pounds playing 35+ minutes – 0 Help defense, and only 5 rebounds a game. 

  • CalgaryRapsFan

    My vote would be to trade Amir.

    I have explained my rationale in detail in several forum threads, but basically I like the different looks/options that Davis/Bargnani would give the team at PF, when compared to a Davis/Amir PF depth chart.  I see it coming down to a choice between Davis & Amir and, IMO, Davis is younger, cheaper, has much more room for improvement, and is likely to become the far superior player in the long-term on both ends of the court.

    I would look to trade Amir alone or in a package to either get some help now or to try and pickup another good draft pick in the next draft.  If there is a 2011-2012 season, I would have no issue giving Alabi a shot if they honestly think he has improved that significantly; worse case scenario is an improved chance at a higher draft pick.  If they do pickup another C, it needs to be for no more than a season or two.

  • Guest

    I say package up some of those guys together (and maybe a draft pick) for a higher quality player or for another draft pick in next year’s draft.
    all playoff teams follow some sort of formula where 2-3 players (superstars) play 35+ minutes, the rest of the starting five and sixth man getting about 30 minutes, and 3 rotational players getting about 10-20 minutes.  That’s 9 players that are essentially the team.  The rest of the players (10-12) just ride the pine.
    right now, the raptors have bargnani, derozan, calderon, bayless, kleiza, james johnson, amir johnson, ed davis, and barbosa (9 players) all expecting to get significant minutes.  And now we have valanciusnas coming, and alabi expecting to get significant minutes.
    Some of them need to go, and some of them need to have their minutes reduced.

    Plus history’s shown us that trading away multiple decent players for a superstar usually works out(see KG, Shaq, VC, Pau Gasol, etc.).

    • Kingraptors

      Firstly even if you manage to get a superstar they’ll probably leave as soon as their contract finishes, superstar players are all under Win-Now Mode. They don’t want to waste their years playing for any rebuilding team. Many of them get traded because their former teams know they cannot retain them. 

      No team clearly wants Bargnani, the only other options left behind are Derozan, Ed, Amir, Val. Now which one or two of these still developing players would you be willing to give up for a bona-fide superstar who will stay only 1 or 2 years?

      • Guest

        “No team clearly wants Bargnani, the only other options left behind are Derozan, Ed, Amir, Val.”
        Why is that the case?  Just cuz raptors fans are disappointed in his inability to be a go-to player, doesn’t mean another team could use his skills as a complementary piece.  If Hedo and Arenas can be traded, I don’t see why we can’t find someone to take Bargnani.

        I should clarify.  I didn’t mean bring in a superstar on the level of Durant, CP3, or Dwight Howard, but I wonder if we could work something out for a player at the same quality level as Cousins, Holiday, or Collison.  Or possibly a draft pick in next year’s draft.

        • Kingraptors

          When I meant no team wants Bargnani – I meant that teams will not offer the same pool of talent for Bargnani than if Derozan, Ed, Amir or even Val was on the market. Bargnani doesn’t have the same trade value as the others.

          Hedo was traded because Orlando felt they needed him back to go back to the NBA Finals, and as for the Arenas trade, it was more let me take your garbage for mine, they both have salary cap killing contracts. 

          Holiday and Collison are all upgrades over Jose Calderon but to call them superstars that kinda pushing it, they are at best Tier II/III players

    • Theswirsky

      Trading multiple ‘decent’ players for stars doesn’t just happen everyday.  Its completely situational and a team, more or less, has to be in the right place at the right time for it to happen. 

      Shaq was going to LAL one way or another, VC demanded out of town, Memphis wanted to rebuild (plus there is some serious questions about how the trade went down itself) and KG wasn’t staying in Minn. 

      • Guest

        True, but I would shop a couple of them around to see what’s out there.  It’s possible at some point in time, we’ll end up being at the right place at the right time.

  • hateslosing

    I think you play Alabi big minutes if he has a good training camp and preseason (if there is one). Even if he ends up being terrible and nothing comes of it, Jonas shows up next year and we go with the original plan of having him become our center of the future and we’re not too far behind where we are now. If Alabi is good and becomes a legitimate NBA starter…can you say options? We’d basically have 5 young guys under contract at the four and five, all of which could be starters in Amir, Andrea, Val, Alabi, and Davis. We could either make an attempt at building one of the most stacked front courts in the league or try to get another great pick in next years draft. Can you imagine coming out of next years draft with Kobongo and Harrison Barnes? Next years draft has exactly one player (Andre Drummand) that may play center in the NBA (NBAdraft.net) in the top 15 so you know there might be a team out there open to trading a high pick and a piece for Val or Alabi. I think the benefits of trying out Alabi far outway the potential risks.
     

    • points

      you would trade JV already?

      • hateslosing

        I’d trade anyone for the right deal. If we have a guy we are comfortable starting at center, like Alabi, and we can get a really good piece for JV why not? I like JV and it would be nice to keep him around but we have too many holes to pass up on a good deal for a position we have filled. Point guard and small forward are both issues and after next season we will have no one to back up Derozen.
        I should note I don’t think Alabi will end up being a starter and we will probably end up with him as JV’s back up in a few years, if he’s good enough to even do that.

  • http://twitter.com/DJAG88 Big D

    Trade Bargs end of discussion. I’d rather have my big give me efficient point in the paint, rebound and defend the basketball. All of which contribute to something called winning.

    • cesco

      Winning what ? 15 to 20 games at best ? No main scoring option  (DD is not ready yet , if ever) , no one to spread the floor , an anemic 3 points threat . The last time I watched basket ball , it was the team who scored the most points who won , not the team who played average defense (good interior defense , poor perimeter defense) .

      • Nilanka15

        You’re assuming that if Bargnani is traded, Colangelo would make zero attempt to address the issues you mentioned.

      • Kingraptors

        Sure the Raptors will lose offense if Bargnani is traded but it’s not like they’ll end up like Cleveland ##57 points in a game.

      • Theswirsky

        “The last time I watched basket ball , it was the team who scored the most points who won ”

        and when you give up more points than your opposition you lose.  Welcome to the problem with Andrea Bargnani

        • cesco

          The worst defensive team in the league and the fault is solely on Andrea shoulders . He is responsible for the guards and wingers abusing the Raps . Lol .

          • Theswirsky

            you said it not me.

      • Das Efx

        Andrea = Scores 21 and Gives up 30.  Negative value.  Send him packing.

        • cesco

          You are right , when Kobe scored 81 pts on the Raps , I believe AB was guarding him . All those all-stars guards and wingers who meet the Raps , they keep wandering how come they can’t break Kobe record because . you know , Andrea is going to defend them . Funny that the best center in the league never has a big game against the Raps .

          • sleepz

            Thats because they usualy have an undersized Evans, Amir or Davis guarding him. What you thought is was cuz of Andrea?

            Bargnani is not holding anyone down defensively. He doesn’t care enough about the game and most likely never will.

            • cesco

              Before last season , Ru-Paul was the main scoring option and Andrea did a very good job of guarding the likes of DH , Shaq and Duncan . This past season he became the main scoring option , he had to stay on the floor as much as possible and avoid going back to the bench after 5 minutes like Amir and Evans were in constant danger of doing . Sorry but the best player the Raps have to guard the likes of DH is still Andrea , may be JV will turn out better , we will see .

        • BONG_BELLY_PICKNEY

          Synergy numbers have consistently painted Bargnani as a solid
          defender in the post and in one-on-one situations. That is not a made-up
          thing or an exercise in excuse-making. The numbers are there, and the
          evidence is there on the video, if you remove the anti-Bargnani
          blinders.

          • Nilanka15

            You’re absolutely right.  Defensively, Bargnani can hold his own in 1-on-1 situations in the post.  But a big man’s defensive responsibilities (whether playing centre of power forward) go far beyond 1-on-1 post defense….which is where Bargnani hurts the team.  His help defense and rebounding aren’t just sub-par, they’re HISTORICALLY putrid.

          • Nilanka15

            In your cut & paste job, you neglected to mention that in the same article (which ranked Bargnani as the 66th best player in the league [see the forum for the full discussion]), the following was said about Bargnani:

            “If Bargnani continues to flounder on defense, Gortat and Ibaka are going to blow right past him as all-around players. And if you wanted to put all of the four preceding big men — Gortat, Varejao, Ibaka and Okafor – ahead of Bargnani now, I wouldn’t argue.”

            The article concludes by essentially saying that it’s a total crap shoot regarding whether or not Bargnani can turn his career around in Toronto.

      • http://twitter.com/DJAG88 Big D

        So you assume that Bargs field goal attempts won’t be spread out to the other players on the court? You assume everything will stagnate and that our players won’t develop into better offensive players? You don’t think our next draft pick in a stacked 2012 will provide any offense to our team? You think BC won’t look to improve our 3 point shooting? I call bull on this. You really are just looking at the present and not the future of this club. You put too much value in a 44% shooting big man that can have great offensive nights, then shits the bed the next night. Yes who ever scores the most points in basketball does win but also you have to stop your opponent from outscoring you. That requires you to play defense. Your bigs are your last line of defense from dribble penetration. It’s easier to cover for your guards than covering for your bigs because they’re the last line of defense.

        Bargs isn’t the only contributor to the bad defense, Calderon is as much to blame as Bargs, yet when you watch Calderon he at least puts his all into it. DeRozan is just a sopohmore, Ed Davis is a rookie big, JJ is sporadic on D but this has been the first time he’s played major minutes.

        Again I’ll take my big men that can give me efficient point in the paint, rebound and defend the basketball. 
         

        • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

          Some people act like Barg’s 21 ppg on 17.8 shots per game at a 44% clip can’t be replaced if he’s traded away- wake up to reality folks as other players will step up including those that BC potentially would get in exchange for AB.

          Both Jose aka PG Controversy & Andrea aka Lazy Moo’fer- the 2 longest tenured Rap’s under BC’s reign have got to go as their combined karma is just too bad in the TDot plus they exemplify what is wrong with the Rap’s- lack of consistent defense, as they form the front and back line of the Rap’s defense as starters.

          • http://twitter.com/DJAG88 Big D

            What people fail to realize is that you don’t need a big to space the floor. It’s an option yes but not a necessity. Look at the Lakers for example they have two bigs that don’t stretch the floor they play in the paint. Gasol you can say is a stretch 4 but he’ll take the 15 foot jumpshot on occasion if the defense gives him space, but again it’s not his main weapon. If you have guards that can knock down the 3 than your spacing is fine. 

            • p00ka

              What you fail to realize is the difference between spreading a guard out and drawing a big out. Yes, there are other ways to spread the floor, but every team in the NBA craves for a 7 footer that can do it. There may be legit complaints about him, but your point is senseless.

              • http://twitter.com/DJAG88 Big D

                I’ve never heard of every NBA team craving for a 7 foot jump shooter. Unless he also provides rebounding and defense he becomes a liability on the court. Again I said that it’s not a necessity but just another option to have to help with spacing. 

                • Medicatedpete

                  why do many of our fans keep repeating the same retarded info as fact? is it because they have the learning capacity of chimpanzees? do you people not watch the games? bargs has shown the ability to score from anywhere on the court. he’s far from being a 7 foot jump shooter.yes, he’s a poor rebounder and when it comes to help d he fkn sucks but one on one and guarding his man opposing bigs rarely go at him and they usually pass off the rock…..so why do fkn retards keep calling him a 7 foot jumpshooter?….and contrary to the unemployed experts in this fan blog forum  every team in the league would love to pry bargs off this roster….if bargs was traded for a late 2nd round pick you idiots would explode in joyous celebration like the morons did when they announced oj was not guilty….then where would yall be?still idiotic.

                • Nilanka15

                  Attempting to draw parrellels between Bargnani and OJ Simpson???  Who’s the “fkn retard” now?

                • points

                  did you take your medication yet ?

                • p00ka

                  Well Pete, two were quick to prove your chimpanzee point

                • Nilanka15

                  And what an incredibly witty point it was…

  • p00ka

    Wow, Alabi? Are these kids serious? Do they know anything about the game? Have they ever seen him play? Put him against NBA starters and he’d be eaten alive!! Too young to know better, or just idiots?

    • hateslosing

      How many times have you seen him play uninjured? He was a pretty decent player when he played at Florida State, not the best rebounder but a solid shot blocker. Also, guys do get better, it does happen occasionally. Maybe he will continue to suck or maybe, just maybe, he is going to come back this year and look like a legit NBA player. Good centers that have the size that Alabi has don’t come around very often and if there is any chance that Alabi can improve and become a rotation player, then I think you go for it. If there is a season this year we will suck no matter what so why not see if Alabi can learn a bit on the job.

      • p00ka

        If the Raps didn’t think there was POTENTIAL there, they wouldn’t have him on the roster, but that potential is still extremely raw. The college game is very different than the NBA and played by boys, the vast majority of whom will never see the floor in a NBA practice gym, mush less a game against seasoned men. He’s 7 ft tall, so worth keeping around and trying to develop him on the cheap. Sure, try and get him on the floor now and then, but if he’s not MUCH better against the scrubs he occasionally played against last year, he’s so far removed from starting, that doing so will accomplish nothing but embarrass him and the team. Talking of starting him is taking the anti-Bargs sentiment to a ridiculous extreme and utter stupidity. He’s simply not ready even to be a rotation player for heaven’s sake, and throwing him to the wolves would likely send whatever potential he has packing for the psychologist’s couch.

        • hateslosing

          This has nothing to do with Bargs. I suppose that if Alabi ended up doing a decent job off the bench you could start him at the 5 and maybe move Bargs to the 4. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see this happening and I’m really just hoping we see enough from him (Alabi) this season to indicate that he can be a back up center on a good team in a year or three. The idea of starting him is following what we did with Derozen the season before last as it seemed to help his development but it might be too much to ask since center play is a lot more physical.

  • ezz_bee

    I haven’t heard anyone mention this hear, but I know it’s been mentioned in the threads.  I’m not convinced myself but IF Davis bulks up over the summer like his dad claims he will.  Can HE play center?

    • Nilanka15

      Even if he gains 25 lbs this summer, which is hard to do, he’s still barely pushing 240 (Bosh weighs 235 lbs).

  • Guest

    ED! = starter
    Borg = utility big when the match up is weak at C or PF
    Amir Johns = 6 million dollar insurance policy in case anybody goes down

  • Sheptor

    Bye Bye Ed Davis…My justification being Amir has earned it, seems to like Toronto, will work hard and is still young. Davis might only live up to be an Amir and as someone said he’s not guaranteed to stay after his contract. Amir will flourish next year especially under Casey, and if the confidence is shown in him by staff, compounded by the fact we let Davis go, than the following year he becomes a better trade piece with a shorter contract and potentially better numbers. Davis could get a pretty good wing player for us right now. We do not need to hang on to Davis because he was OUR pick…he has a bit of up side but I think he’ll just turn into Nazr Mohammed…MOVE HIM NOW!

    • points

      …and andrea she will turn into dirk lets keep her

  • Brasky

    This shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion anymore. Amir and Davis are quality young bigs who play the game the right way, and who are head and shoulders above Bargnani as basketball players. Good teams need a solid 3 big man rotation. Enter Val. 

    If you’re going to get Paul George in return, then sure, pull the trigger. If you happen to land Andre Drummond in the 2012 Draft, then one of Davis or Amir will get bumped. 

  • Bo4

    First of all, Linus is injured, and won’t be back for quite some time. Then he’ll have to gradually get back to speed (ha!) and the LOSING season will be over.
      
    Secondly, by total and by minute stats combined show that Soloman is a 13th or 14th man on a .500 team! That’s Inactive List territory! Casey is dreaming and deluded if that’s the basic plan. Now, if the plan is really to play him, hope he has a good stretch, then trade him asap (Nuggets might actually want him!), then fine. Go for it. Get something for close to nothing. This season (if there is one) is destined to be really ugly for a Raptors fan!!!!!!!!

    Bargs has got to go. It’s not even close.

    • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

      When Kleiza comes back he won’t even have a rotation spot especially if the Rap’s draft a SF in the 2012 NBA Draft. He will be Val’s NBA caddy.

      Alabi is a pipe dream especially if BC/Casey tries to start him next to Andrea- can you say no transition defense. Even though reports have him improving I have to see him go up against quality NBA big men not HThabeet with my own eyes to believe it as I don’t see him being any better than POB.

      I just hope that AAjinca aka Bargnani Light is not brought back in any capacity.

      Joey D >> Alabi

      AB has got 2 go ASAP!!

      • Bo4

        Compared to Alabi, Kleiza is a better rebounder, scorer & passer (thus a better overall player). However, Linas  is a 10th or 11th man on a .500 team, making him out of the rotation, for sure, when we start making the playoffs … which is all that really matters.

  • RapthoseLeafs

    Checked out this link (that RR posted) – and gotta say … does anybody REALLY pay attention to this team. Or do they jut regurgitate the same old crap.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/state-cap-toronto-raptors-2

    Anyways, on to the matter at hand.

    [ “redundancy’ at the same
    position is not a bad thing.” (Theswirsky) ]

    On a Lakers team (or any
    Contender for that matter), redundancy is a very valuable option to have. On a
    22 win team that has “shortages” at numerous positions (including Bench), redundancy
    is a luxury before its’ time – Raptor time that is.
    .

    As for choosing two of three
    (amongst Amir/Andrea/Ed), the solution can bring any number of questions. A few
    of those would be:

    1) What is the REAL status of
    Alabi? Is he more than what was “showcased” last season?
    [lol]

    2) Are Raptors REALLY looking for
    another Centre – temporary or not?

    3) Are we having a season? Or
    part of a season?

    Assuming Alabi is progressing, a
    partial season will happen, and Raptors are not looking
    for a Centre ….. moving
    one of the 3 Bigs is a rather difficult choice. Raptors will have to consider
    both the offense and defense if such a decision has to be made.

    Bargnani  – his offense will be needed. His defense …
    not so much. This latter part of his game may or may not change with Casey
    guiding the defensive schemes. When evaluating AB’s contributions, I have to
    question how some posters will say he’s not an efficient scorer, yet still
    label him a good scorer. Last time I remember, efficiency was known as “competence;
     effectiveness”.  Maybe I’m misunderstanding what they meant,
    but removing Andrea from the role of “last stand” guy should allow him to be
    more efficient on the other end. I think this was crux of why his shooting
    percentage numbers dropped. That, and being the prime focus of Opposition Defenses.

    Davis – I’m reluctant to see Ed
    moved to another team. His value as a trade chip doesn’t strike me as “efficient”.
    And if he bulks up, his versatility in being able to play Centre as well as PF,
    could go a long way towards securing his place in Toronto. His upside  outweighs
    what I think would come back in any trade. His defense under Casey will most  likely improve – but it’s his offense that will define his future status.  

    Johnson – On a cost basis (injury
    aside), I felt Amir’s contributions exceeded what I  expected. He brings real
    hustle to the team, and in the sphere of Torontoniam and it’s  affliction for
    blue collar type workers, one can see why Amir appeals to the masses. He’ll never be a top scorer or 2nd option, which Ed could “possibly” fit –
    way too soon to tell at this time. The unfortunate part of being all that he
    can be – besides enlisting – is that Amir becomes a prime trade chip. And for a
    team that has holes at the SF, PG, Centre and Bench, having the luxury of all
    these Bigs doesn’t seem logical.

    .

    In saying all this, my opinion is
    biased. Just as those who will take anything for Andrea – even a Tie Domi used
    helmet – blue collar to the end. 
    .

    • RapthoseLeafs

      …. apologies for the spacing.
      .

    • Statement

      What is the point of this novel?

      • Ihatehaters

        Who cares? Just scroll past it like everyone else. 

        Rapthoseleafs – its called a “comment”, not a “thesis”.

  • Ambidextrious

    There are some really dumb comments here. No wonder “most” raptors “fans” are a complete joke. They have ZERO basketball IQ.

    • RapthoseLeafs

      .
      dumb can be good.

      Didn’t you start out with a ZERO bball IQ.
      .

      The whole point to these blogs, is to understand the game better. And have a few arguments along the way. All the while appreciating guys like Arse and Franchise for giving us a chance to left off some steam.

      On second thought, you’ve already figured that out: 
      [“There are some really dumb comments here. No wonder “most” raptors “fans” are a complete joke. “]

      .

  • Mediumcore

    Let’s stock pile our 7 foot big men, develop them and showcase them to the league until people in need of skilled bigs come knocking at out door. Alabi, Bargnani, JV and a near 7 foot Ed Davis (6′ 11″ I think) are young, talented bigs. Not a lot of teams have two talented bigs much less 3 or potentially 4, if Alabi comes along.

    Dirk & Chandler
    Pau, Bynum & Odom
    Garnett & Perkins

    All 7 footers or close to it and all champions. Not comparing the Raptor bigs to the all stars among that list, but it’s evident that the formula for a championship includes atleast 2 legit bigs.

    Perhaps Orlando looks to surround D. Howard with another 7 footer to make a title run, or Miami comes knocking for a rebounding, shot blocker type guy like Ed or perhaps Alabi..

    • RapthoseLeafs

      .
      You just repeated the Toronto manifesto …. though shalt develop the flock and send them out to spread the word – cause we can get more for ye.
      .

  • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

    Bargnani- time to ship King Barg’s aka The Pope aka BC’s Golden Child aka Pasta! aka No Star aka Lazy Moo’fer aka I’m a PF Not A Center- the fuck outta the TDot as he’s a lockerroom ‘cancer’ as well- point blank after 5 years his shit does stank!!

    Amir & Ed form a very solid PF duo add in a solid starting center it could prove to be a formidable trio moving forward for the Rap’s as Ed & Amir can potentially man the 5 spot in small stretches during a game. Further that Joey Dorsey would make the perfect 3rd roster PF in my mind.

    Alabi- Who were all the big men at the Rap’s camp that Alabi reportedly out played besides super scrub HThabeet? I have to see him play with my own eyes to believe he’s progressed enough to warrant starting or even being in the Rap’s regular rotation.

    • Ihatehaters

      Why do you keep saying Bargnani is a cancer? Where do you get this info from? Or are you pulling it out of your arse?

      • p00ka

        hahaha, I take door number 2

      • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

        Barg’s kept the lockerroom split under Jay with his half ass on the court ways and unaccountability thereof- have you not listen to the players in the media drop hints ie JJack, AWright, Rasho, Turk or JJohnson? Do the math.

        Not to mention that Barg’s quit on the Rap’s post London calling in sick (flu shot anyone?) & missing multiple games with a bad foot/ankle while Amir battled through his reported injuries (back, ankle) until he had to have off season ankle surgery.

        Andrea ‘Lay Up Line’ Bargnani is a lazy ass cancerous moo’fer- str8 up & down he’s a freaking 7’1 250 pound clown!

        That being said after 5 years I am sick of seeing AB in a Raptors uniform and I hope the season ticket buying fans are tired of his lackadaisical ways of indifference to the whole game of basketball outside of shooting the ball.

        I will throw up if AB is a Raptors player come the start of the next NBA season especially if Amir or Ed are moved to accommodate AB’s move to PF as if he won’t still float on both ends of the court and play the game with no heart!

        • p00ka

          I`m okay with a little math as part of the equation. How about giving us 60% (that 3 of those 5 players) of those quotes of hints from the media. Ya might sell me yet  

          • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

            How about you open door #2 and look the related particulars up yourself…..I ain’t trying to sell you shit unlike BC- buddy…

            • Ihatehaters

              Well, I heard that Demar, Amir and Ed said Bargs is the greatest teammate they ever had and definitely not a cancer…

              Wait, are we still making things up to support our point?

  • agrippa

    obviously ed & bargs, amir has stuff going for him but ed has skillz N bargs has bri co 

  • KuH

    The thing that stuns me is that not one person above mentions statistics, like wins produced.  A quick look at Devin’s NBeh? website shows the following:

    Amir Johnston:  6.1 WP (#2 on Raptors)
    Ed Davis:  5.5 WP (#3 on Raptors)
    Andrea Bargnani:  -6.0 WP (#22 or worst on the team and possibly worst in the league)

    If there is ANYTHING to advanced stats at all, this decision should be a no-brainer.  Hmmm.  Do I trade the guy who makes $10M a year, and makes the team worse, or do I trade the second or third best player, who makes a fraction of the money.  Hmmmmmmm.  Tough choice.

    Even if there are weaknesses to the statistical models are they REALLY so weak that the worst player becomes the best and the becomes the worst?  When they are derived from straight statistical analysis?  That seems like a real stretch … meaning that this decision is pretty easy …

    • Nilanka15

      Did you just attempt to use reason and logic when discussing Bargnani’s shortcomings?  You must be new here 😛

      It won’t be long before you’re labelled a racist, lol.

      • p00ka

        Well perhaps you can help illuminate the advanced reason and logic behind this stat. How is it derived?

    • p00ka

      Perhaps you can give us an advanced lesson on what this statistic is based on, so we can determine whether it’s the least bit meaningful. Statistics can be useful, but in the wrong hands they can also be senseless slanting of numbers. I’m betting your expert analysis of this one could be shredded very easily, but please prove me wrong. What’s the criteria of this stat?

      • KuH

        p00ka I’m not the stats expert.  Devin of NBeh? is.  I’m sure his website has the full explanation and derivation of his models.

        My simplistic understanding is that this set of models is based on a linear regression:  you take all the statistics from a basketball game/team, throw them into a hat, crunch a computer, and see which ones seem to have a non-zero affect on the chance of winning the game.  The computer comes up with correlations.  I’ve used linear regression in other areas, and seen it to be very powerful in pointing out factors I wasn’t thinking about.

        The strength in stats is the unbiased analysis:  you see what things seem to matter, and what things not.  One potential weakness is if there are stats that matter that you can’t measure.  But this only matters if the unmeasured stats have much more effect on winning games than the measured ones.  And then smart stats people (like I assume Devin is) would work on finding a way to measure these stats … and would say from their analysis that “we have a good model, but there seems to be a significant missing mystery stat”.

        I would never claim that a linear regression is perfect.  I am saying it gives interesting indications that you should look at … and that it is likely to be closer to “the truth” than my opinion of players formed from watching a few games.

      • cesco

        Those stats are a piece of horse manure . The Raps have won more games percentage wise with Andrea than without him and that includes several games against the likes of Boston , Oklahoma , Orlando and Chicago . Those are the stats with any real meaning .

        • Ihatehaters

          Do me a favour? Look up “variable” in Wikipedia.

    • Statement

      Brother,

      Don’t go down this road.  Please don’t go down this road.

      • KuH

        Um.  OK.  So it looks mathematically like these factors explain things very well (over the course of a whole season – not in a single game).  But in the case of the Raptors I’m hearing these rules don’t apply, and actually we can better predict the Raptors season record, and the contribution of different players, from the fact that the Raps beat Boston once with Andrea and never beat Boston without him.  Or we just need to ask the best ‘hooper’, who ‘knows’ the truth no matter what the numbers say.

        It sounds like I’ve unwittingly entered a subject where there are ‘true believers’.  And I’m just a dumb fan trying to make sense out of it all.  Ooops. 

        Good advice, Statement.

        • Kuntdoor

          devin nbeh?…lol…fucking monkeys.

        • Statement

          You missed my point,

          You must be new cause your above points have been argued ad nauseum here and I do mean AD NAUSEAM.  For the record, I like Berri’s work.

          But people here won’t believe it and will defend Andrea no matter what.  I’m just trying to save you the trouble.

    • points

      could you forward this stat to BC

    • RapthoseLeafs

      .
      You trade the player who brings back what you need or want. If outgoing player happens to be a “prime” asset (value for the cost), and the return improves the team in other areas (that are lacking), then you pull the trigger and make the trade.
      .

  • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

    Did Jonas make his National Senior Men’s team final roster?

    I hope he does because if he can’t make his Nation’s basketball Senior Team how can he make the Rap’s rotation in 2012?

    • points

      YES! and he started

      • KuH

        He started an exhibition game, after sitting out the previous exhibition game.  The coach is giving his different scrubs a chance as he tries to decide who gets cut.  Jonas did well.  If he does as well the next time out, he will probably make the team, but he is still on the edge.

  • Selfishrubbish

    I still say…let’s try Bargs at the SF and one of Amir/Davis at PF and wishfully Tyson Chandler at C. Having Bargs at SF will create chaos on the offensive end…defensively…at least we’ll have the PF and C to protect the players that go right by him. Bargs at SF is definite upgrade from what we had last year. just my thoughts.

    • Overkill

      If you do remember they did try to play Bargs at the 3, with Bosh and J.O being 4,5… It was an EPIC FAIL!!!

    • points

      I still say…let’s get rid of this peice of shit off my raptor team ,make it so BC

  • Yiiipee

    stfu and trade bargnanis lazy jumpshooting softass.

  • Harry S. Truman

    Amir or no Amir, Ed Davis must be inserted into the starting 4 slot immediately. We took this guy with our 13th overall pick last year, and he’s shown he’s ready to step up to the plate. I like Amir, I really do – and I don’t think we should trade him now. However, the future of our frontcourt lies squarely in the eventual duo of Valanciunas and Davis. Obviously they’re still babies and need to gain more weight and experience, but surely this is the way we’re heading. We’ve gone to the lottery two seasons in a row and both times we selected big men. As for Bargnani – send him to the bench or trade him…to the Clippers!

    If we lose this NBA season, I would really like to see Colangelo take a chance on signing DeAndre Jordan, who I think is a hidden gem. That would give us pure nastiness in the paint with Davis, Valanciunas, and Jordan, while keeping the youth movement alive and changing the tissue-soft culture of this franchise. 

  • p00ka

    Ooops, sorry I stuck my nose in. Don`t want to go down this road again. Better things…….. G`day yàll, and GO RAPS!!!!

  • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

    Andrea Bargnani is a Cancer in the lockerroom- point blank!!

    • p00ka

      So, get any hugs this summer?

    • Ihatehaters

      We heard you the first time, doofus.

      • points

        …and we’ll keep singing it until this 7ft. fucker is gone from this team

        • p00ka

          News flash: being a sport fan, or fan of a particular team, is supposed to be fun & entertainment. Is this incessant noise you make every day fun? For your own mental health and stability, maybe think of being a fan of a team that’s fun for you, or find something else to focus on. Just saying

  • cesco

    For those who want to know if JV is playing on his national team , they have a game at 6.00 pm vs Czech Republic on channelsurfing.net (scroll down and click on basketball) . Italy vs Russia at 4.15 pm (a different tournament) . Keep in mind that Andrea is behind in preparation due to insurance problems . He played heavy minutes last night when Italy lost to Greece 70-76 (but Gallinari did not play) . Canada , btw , won a game vs Czech Republic (in overtime) after I believe 5 losses and that must be good for their morale .

  • Jose

    Bargnani is playing right now…I don’t see much improvement on D. Link is below:

    http://firstrowsports.tv/watch/76971/1/watch-russia-vs-italy.html

  • points

    JV is now playing but they aren’t passing him the ball it’s on Firstrow

  • points

    If this kid  plays the way he is playing today when he comes to the NBA he should have no problem BC stuck gold

  • points

    we don’t need  ANDREA trade her for a top ten pick in the next draft ,i watch HER play today blah and i’m now watching JV playing and all i got to say is YESSSS !  

  • KJ-B

    Unless #7 is willing to workout and get stronger, I’m not giving him a minute of PT… That dude could never play for Pat Riley but he’s lauded as “potential”over here–NOT ONE MINUTE… Ed avis-Amir Johnson starting front line from day 1… The other guys are just extras in the play til Valunciunas shows up!

    #7’s a wasting his talent + earning a fat paycheck–he’s never cared b4 about ‘ReboundBall’ and I don’t expect that to change–hopefully Jonas kicks his butt in gluteous to the Maximus in Eurobasket and wakes him up ASAP!!!

  • cesco

    Italy beat Russia 71-67 with Gallinari and Kirilenko missing from their respective teams . Top scorers for their team : King Andrea 23 points , Mozgov 15 points .

    • RapthoseLeafs

      .
      Where do you find the box scores for any of these games – very tough to find.
      .

      • cesco

        Enter : fip-federazione ( the site is called fip-federazione italiana pallacanestro) , look for the article mentioning Italia -Russia , it is a resume of the game including the scoring , unfortunately it does not show blocks , turnovers , etc..

        • RapthoseLeafs

          .
          Thanks.

          .

        • http://twitter.com/DJAG88 Big D

          7-18 shooting for 23 points and 4 rebounds in 30 minutes sounds like the Andrea I know of very well. The inefficient no rebounding no defense Andrea.

          • cesco

            I don’t think Andrea was in the best of shapes this past week-end ( was waiting for the insurance to play oversea , which he received a few days earlier) , still the Italian team beat Russia and was tied with Greece with a few minutes to go in their game . Those two teams are among the elite in European basketball and Andrea playing the majority of minutes was a huge factor in the excellent results (2 wins , one narrow loss) in this tournament . The coach says that they need to improve on defense so perhaps a lot of time will be spent in practice on improving that .

            • Yiiipee

              mehhh another andrea apologist.

              • Nilanka15

                Another apologist?!?!  cesco is the king of kings when it comes to Andrea apologists!  The only one to challenge his throne might be Multipaul, who has already been banned for his ridiculousness…

                • cesco

                  Being banned for ridiculousness …. is this how low this blog has fallen ? . The day that one cannot express his support of a member of the team , no matter how strong that support is , is a sad day indeed . On the other hand , I might have missed episodes were he became too belligerent or insulting, you tell me .

                • Abelvedere

                  Cesco maybe Multipaul left for the same reason as some of us….because this blog has become such a piece of shit with nothing but losers who turn everything into an I hate bargs post, while we know that he has good and bad, no different than the stars they seem to like. This blog is full of losers who adore anyone who hustles, rebounds, dives, hogs, while completely overlooking that almost everyone they love has few basketball skills.
                  Let them pin their hopes on Amir who I really like but will never ever be more than a hustle bench big, and DD who’s game is about as flawed as anyone, yet they compare him to Kobe on this site even though my dog can make more three point shots.
                  Cesco I admire you for your love of the Raptors and your patience in putting up with this crap and these idiots day after day.
                  Take my word there are many many better basketball sites!! I do admit to coming back here to read the idiots posts now and then and I’m glad to see they are still flaming losers…you know who you are!!

                • Raptor4ever

                  ^^^ Same here. I did not visit here for over a month now and I just had a chance to take a look and I see same people still bitching about Bargs :)

                • Nilanka15

                  For the record, cesco is NOT a Raptor fan.  He’s a Bargnani fan.  He’s fully admitted to not following basketball until Bargnani (an Italian compatriot) was drafted. 

                  Secondly, Multipaul didn’t leave.  He actually was banned from the forum for hurling obscene insults at the so-called “haters”.

                  And lastly, if you can’t see the difference between stagnated players (i.e. Bargnani) vs. improving players (i.e. DeRozan and/or Amir), then you’re better off not visiting this site.  Your absence won’t be noticed.

                • cesco

                  If you think that I was not pulling for the team to scratch out a win when Andrea was not playing , you are crazy . I remember I was the first one to comment on the article which put a player under the bus , after the Dallas game , saying that no one deserved to be put under the bus after that amazing win . To listen to you , I should have turned off my PC and gone to bed unhappy because they did it without Andrea. 

                • Nilanka15

                  All I’m saying is that your allegiance to Bargnani trumps everything else.  If you had a choice between Bargnani’s success, or the Raptors’ success, you would choose Bargnani hands down.

                • Tu_es_le_douche

                  so with your twisted logic being on the exact opposite end of the spectrum and not supporting bargs at all while hes a member of the team is a better option for the raptors and its fan base?….u sad fuks are pathetic fake fans….u see all these nba campaigns and commercials claiming ball as a “brotherhood’..well not here on this site and sure as hell it appears not with a corny lookin italian white guy…..man,i’ll take a guy like cesco supporting a fellow team member any day of the week over you fake ass fans who only want lame ass maury povich style division and baby mamma drama.

                • Nilanka15

                  And yet another new screen name for Joshua Reynolds.  Are you gonna be ok when Bargnani’s traded?  Have your therapist’s number on speed-dial just in case.

    • points

      and how many rebounds did you say queeeeen ANDREA have please tell me

      • Kuntdoor

        the queen has and will have 1 more rebound in the nba/fiba/euro leagues then you will ever have you sad loser.

        • points

          you kunt get the f@#% back on  ANDREA balls and shut up and don’t type with you hands full

          • Kuntdoor

            loser H.A.T.E.R. S – Having Anger Towards Everyone Reaching Success

  • RapthoseLeafs
  • points

    JV is raptors Blake Griffin i like how he moves on the floor .good pick BC

    • Kuntdoor

      see above for why you are a retard.

      • Coy

        Look in the mirror to see why you are one.

      • points

        OK you kunt ANDREA is the next DIRK feel better

        • Kuntdoor

          thx for finally admitting it. next season when bargs and demar are lighting it up and we have a real c bangin/swatting and grabbin boards and were in the playoffs i’ll be supporting the entire team while you’ll be a sad loser hoping for one players demise unable to enjoy anything good about the raptors….hahahahahahah.loser.

          • Nilanka15

            Joshua Reynolds is in love with Andrea Bargnani.

            • cesco

              Kundoor is Khandor alter ego who is apologizing for his master berating Andrea so much .

          • Ihatehaters

            No – next season, after the Friday night Raps game ends, you will still be masturbating alone into a sock, in your parents basement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Nisbet/1406960551 Mark Nisbet

    I agree that Davis is the one that will eventually get traded but I think they’ll let him develope a bit and increase his value as I do believe he’s the real deal.  That said, if you find a taker for Amir you help him pack.  I just don’t see that happening.  A big man rotation of Jonas and Bargs with Amir and Abidi or further upgrade is decent.  The question becomes is Jonas a Center?  Some seem to think he is without question….others seem to be less sure.  I can’t form an educated opinion as of yet but like his activity level.  Hopefully he gets in the gym asap.

  • points

    5 fucking years 18 shots to make 23 point ,7ft tall  can only get 5 rebounds in 30 mins.as a starter, now that we have prince Jonas i think it’s time to get rid of Queen Andrea the divider, trade her and the rebuilding process could be faster

  • Kevin Oppella

    Speaking of Bargnani, does anyone remember the game they played against the timberwolves back in January of February(of 2011)? It was a horrible game all ’round  but i think the Dinos squeaked out a win. I’m wondering if anyone remembers the title of the RR post-game summary. The title was Bargnani’s stat line for that game.

    • Kevin Oppella

      Nevermind, I found it.

  • Real Hoops

    Bargnani is a good player even though he might not be a great rebounder but if he were to get traded I wouldn’t be mad having Jonas Valanciunas as the Raptor’s center.
    http://realhoopstalk.com/jonas-valanciunas-is-a-beast-the-breakdown

  • Kingraptors

    Right now they’ll probably take Jose Calderon over Bargs!!!!

    That was a stretch, real talks nobody other than the Raptors is going to play Bargs heavy minutes when he can’t rebound, can’t score efficiently and most IMPORTANTLY can’t defend. At 7 feet tall, 250 pounds, $10 Million a year you have to be putting up more than 5 rebounds a game. 

  • Ambidextrious

    LOL! That the biggest crock of shit i ever heard. I had to check Demar’s Twitter even though i had 0% belief in what you said. My hunch was correct. What really interested me is what DeRozan had to say today check it out.

    “500 3s 500 Mid Range.”

    EXACTLY WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED WORK ON THAT 3 POINTER!! 

  • Ihatehaters

    Except you did reply.

  • Guest

     cos king raptors was right.

  • cesco

    I always liked Amir , now I like him even more .

  • Statement

    Hilarious

  • Statement

    Bargs man-love, FTW!

  • Nilanka15

    Update from Andrea Bargnani!Via Tweet Deck”I’m not really Italian….I’m Maltese.  Sorry cesco”via twitter

  • Delasoulisdead

    yes please demar. a sg in the nba needs to hit more 3’s then a ymca league sg.

  • points

    buddy BC said Dime Bag was raw when he drafted him ,the kid is sill learing come guys . I think BC wants to draft all five starting position and if he gets rid of  ANDREA he can fill two more starting spot PG and SF in the draft.

  • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

    Richard Hamilton does very well as a sg without taking or making many 3s….

  • BCGheradiniJayGots2Go!!!

    Dime Bag? Why are you equating DD with a drug reference? Not a good look, buddy.

    AirComp10- recognize!

  • Ambidextrious

    because he’s BOOM!

  • Ambidextrious

    ANYBODY HEAR DEROZAN KNOCKED SOMEBODY THE FUCK OUT??? LMAO!!! WHAT A G. DONT MESS WITH THE COM10 KID. 

    On another note… Happy early BDAY DeMar from RR!!!!!!!

  • Kuntdoor

    hmmmm, so getting called for charging in the final seconds of a drew league game when the team needs 3 points to tie and then going apeshit and chimping out makes him your hero?

    …yes people, these societal rejects are fellow raptor fans…..sigh.

  • Ambidextrious

    Dont make me get really belligerent up in this piece bruh.

  • points

    somebody please show this kunt the door

  • Ambidextrious

    I did not even know they lost I just heard that and wanted to confirm. That sucks for him, any footage at the drew league or the Dykman game?

  • BONG_BELLY_PICKNEY

    we can only wish and pray demar comes even close to as good as rip.

  • Ihatehaters

    No – he’s right.

  • Ihatehaters

    Don’t agree, but that is f’n hilarious!