Toronto Sun

It is early, but Dwane Casey and Jerryd Bayless want to make one thing clear.

“I don’t want a point guard controversy and there won’t be one,” said the Raptors coach emphatically after practice on Wednesday afternoon.

Casey talked up the 23-year-old former Arizona product, who was tremendous in 14 starts for the Raptors last season (18.1 points, 6.7 assists, 46.7% shooting in 35.3 minutes per game) before adding that at this point, incumbent Jose Calderon is the likely starter.

“It’s going to be a good battle with he and Jose, we’re going to have to figure out who is the best for us coming off the bench, who is going to be our starter,” Casey said.

“(Bayless) does give us juice off the bench … changing the game, pushing the basketball. If I was leaning one way, it would be that way right now, but I haven’t made my mind up 100%.”

Calderon is both the longest-serving Raptor and the team’s highest-paid player. He is one of the best point guards in the league at running the pick-and-roll and a more consistent shooter than Bayless, but he has been beset by nagging injuries which have turned him from an about average defender to a poor one.

Calderon won the starting job from T.J. Ford in the past but had lost the role to Jarrett Jack last season before Jack was swapped for Bayless.

While historically Calderon has performed far better as a starter than a reserve, he is not the long-term answer, so at some point, Casey and the Raptors probably will extend Bayless’ role if he doesn’t start right off of the bat.

Casey considers Bayless “one of our best ball stoppers,” but acknowledges what most consider Bayless’ main liability: a propensity to score the ball rather than create for others.

“His biggest challenge is handling the pick-and-roll situation, seeing his teammates,” Casey said.

“No question. That’s what the game really comes down to in crunch time. Either running (the pick and roll), or defending it is the toughest thing.”

Toronto Star

Bayless, a more capable on-the-ball one-on-one defender in the open court than Calderon, doesn’t really care what transpires.

“I don’t know,” he said when asked about his role. “Whatever coach Casey sees and envisions for me, that’s what I’m going to do. I want to be here for a long time, so whatever they want me to do, I’ll do it.”

The most significant aspect of Casey’s defensive system is that it could allow someone like Calderon to seemingly improve at that end of the court. The coach has said all along that he will devise a scheme that plays to the strengths of his players and one that will allow more help than needed.

The Raptors will run a more traditional defence — packing the paint, offering some help on screen-and-roll situations, taking away straight-line drives that the team gave up all too often last year playing a more spread out style — that the coach said this week would overcome some of the individual physical limitations of his players.

“It’s packing the paint pretty much and . . . around the league, most teams do that so it’s not too new for me,” said Bayless.

ProBasketballTalk

Best case scenario: The Raps take full inventory of all of the various pieces in their collection, decide on a true core for the team, and find a few bites on the trade line. There’s no rush of any kind in Toronto; Bryan Colangelo can explore every single possibility out there, while Casey slowly gets the young guys (Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan, et al) up to speed on their defensive fundamentals.

For that to happen: The Raps need to continue doing exactly what they’ve been doing. It’s almost strange to say it at this point, but credit Toronto for not seeing this season as some critical launch point, and credit Colangelo for electing to fill out his roster with low-salary, low-risk players. Many basketball fans have an instinctive, adverse reaction to any team signing Jamaal Magloire, but at this particular juncture, he legitimately makes sense for the Raptors. Toronto is taking aim for next season — when prized draft pick Jonas Valanciunas will make his way to the NBA — giving little reason to invest or trade for alternative center options. Magloire isn’t good, but he’s cheap…and Canadian, which certainly doesn’t hurt. He’s not the answer, but he also won’t be any kind of problem.

This isn’t a team trying to scrap toward 35 wins with the books as forfeit, but a team being mindful of its future as it attempts a slow rebuild. It can be an arduous process, but barring a Draft night home run, it’s what must be done.

More likely, the Raptors will: See above. There’s only one direction for Toronto to go right now, painful as that might be for Raptors fans.

Prediction: 18-48, but hopefully with a brighter future.

Three The Hard Way

Toronto Raptors

2010-11 Record: 22-60

Key Departures: Reggie Evans, Coach Jay Triano

Key Arrivals: Rasaul Butler, Coach Duane Casey

In year 2 of the post-Bosh rebuilding project, the Raptors find themselves with a young roster that struggled to find its way in a top-heavy East last season. Bryan Colangelo’s dream of building a Suns-east roster produced a ton of shots (10th in Pace), but it also resulted in a ton of misses (21st in Off Efficiency) and abysmal defense (last in Def Efficiency). They did have bright spots though, mainly in Demar Derozan and Andrea Bargnani. Derozan quietly had an excellent season, averaging almost 18 per game on 47% shooting and giving fans glimpses of the franchise player that will leave he is capable of being. Derozan’s athletic prowess is well documented, but the real key to his development lies in improving his jumper from long range and becoming a more willing passer when he gets cut off on his drives. Bargnani also improved his scoring stats for the 5th straight season, but his rebounding and defense is alarmingly bad. I know he is a perimeter player at heart, but averaging 5 rebs and less than a single block per game is inexcusable for a starting center, and he will have to provide some form of basket protection for Toronto to improve defensively, especially since Reggie Evans has gone elsewhere. There are plenty of areas where Toronto can stand to improve, but they basically progress as Derozan and Bargnani progress.

Prediction: 17-49. Derozan breaks out this year and becomes known for more than his dunks, but the Raptors don’t have enough talent to make the playoffs this season. The growing pains continue.

  • Matt52

    I think the Raptors should start with Calderon and see Bayless’ reaction.  After a few games, move Bayless to the starting role if he did not become a whiney beeotch.  We know what Calderon can do and he is physically on the decline.  Next year he should injured full time as he recovers from the Olympics this summer.

    To summarize:
    Test Bayless early, see how he responds, have him start, and find out if he is a part of the team next year or cap space coming off the books.

    • Nilanka15

      I like the idea.  But since Bayless has already said he’ll help the team in any way he can (whether it’s starting or off the bench), I wonder if Calderon starting would really bother him that much. 

      Somehow, Casey needs to get the message across to Bayless that the starting gig is his if he wants it, but he’s gotta earn it.  Perhaps suggesting that Calderon might be the starter is part of this mind game.

      But either way, I think management is better suited going forward if they know what Bayless can provide sooner rather than later.

      • Matt52

        It is not so much not letting it bother Bayless as actually seeing his reaction.  It is one thing to say it wouldn’t bother him or affect his performance or effect on the team.  It is an entirely different thing to do it.

  • 2damkule

    all i know is that bayless has played better (as a raptor) as a starter than when he’s coming off the bench, and jose has played better coming off the bench than when he’s the starter. 

    unfortunately, jose’s good play coming off the bench has ‘earned’ him the starting role in the eyes of many ($9+M salary doesn’t help), while bayless – by virtue of his *poor* play off the bench – has done nothing to ‘earn’ a chance at starting.  so, we reward jose by putting him a position that he’s less effective at, and punish bayless by putting him in a position he’s less effective at, and somehow, it’s all supposed to make sense.

    • p00ka

      I don’t disagree with Jose possibly being more effective coming off the bench, but he’s the best the Raps have for actually running an offense that will help the development of the likes of DD, ED, Amir, and dare I say Andrea. Bayless played better as a starter if you gauge his value by increasing his own stats while showing few signs of having a clue how to run an offense that moves the ball around and doesn’t rely on circus shots being the result of a PG caught in the paint with nowhere to go or pass. Based on last year, Bayless has to prove a lot more before any team in the league would give him a chance to show his stuff as a starter.

      • 2damkule

        really?  i found he did a much better job initiating the offense & getting his teammates involved as a starter than he did coming off the bench.  yes, his stats improved, but i didn’t feel it was to the detriment of the team.  look, i agree that it’s on him to ‘prove’ himself worthy of being a starter…just find it odd that they’ll shoehorn guys into roles that have proven to produce less than optimal results simply for optics.

        • p00ka

          This is the kind of discussion that leads to growth. Thank you. You saw things I didn’t, so I’ll pay even closer attention as this season progresses. I don’t think Casey ruled out Bayless starting, and I hope, and think, they’ll give him every chance to prove he deserves a starting role. He certainly has tremendous physical ability, and appears to have some smarts, so I hope he can listen to the tutoring and put it all together. In the meantime, I don’t think the development of the other young guys will be hurt by Jose running the offense, as he has the Nash type mentality of pass first, team first.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            BC is the man making the calls on who starts and rotations not Casey aka Black Triano- didn’t you get the memo???lol

            Jose is a 30 year old broken down pg…..by NBA standards for a starter. Hammy injury within the first 4 weeks guaranteed.

            In order to build for future chemistry players need to play extended minutes together on the court by not starting Bayless it will show that BC’s via  Casey words are hallow in relation to actual on court actions.

            • p00ka

              You’re eloquent enough that your not some 15 yr old with a 10 yr old brain, so what adult with at least a few active brain cells gets his jollies with the same slightly modified rant multiple times every day? Is it to drive traffic/activity or are you just some pathetic mommy’s boy in the basement that gets hard from prodding people on the web? Maybe you’ve got a sad story, but there’s better help in the real world for you.

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                Wow, I feel sorry for you dude…..

              • What the

                i never read one thing about basket-ball in this fools post he’s always talking about mommys boy ,basement and stuff like that, if you don’t like what some one has to say YOU move on FOOL what makes you think any body wants to here what you fan boy have to say you internet bully                   

      • Mapko

        I think this is the “key point”. Obviously the long term plan would be to at least try Bayless as a starter (since Jose is likely not a long term solution). BUT, what about other key pieces (Davis & DD). Their development will definitely be better with Jose (a pass first PG).
        In terms of who wants to start, who comes off the bench: There is zero chance Jose’s attitude will be an issue either way (he always was & always will be team first player). With Bayless, I don’t know. Personally I believe Bayless has a lot of upside & we should give him a chance before pursuing other options. I also believe that having Jose around will be “calming & stabilizing influence” on Bayless due to Jose’s “team first” approach. Perhaps as Bayless matures he can see Jose as a mentor who is NOT after his job, but rather as a friend & a teammate (something Ford never figured out).

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Jose is a bitch ass sucka as Jack beat him out but Jose was so distraught that BC had to trade Jack away so Jose could be a team player.lmfao

          Jose is a solid back up nothing more nothing less as the more minutes he plays the more he gets exposed on defense.

  • smoke the rock

    one thing i know is the couch will be smoking that Rock by the end of the season talking about bargs being an all-star is this the guy that had KG on his team and couldn’t do chit this guy should just shut up or talk about the raptors as a team and not what he wants for  DIRK 2.0 …plus the MAVS and DIRK will never win another chip with this crew maybe if the glue guy was still there (Chandler) DC just shut up and coach

    • p00ka

      I’m sure he’d love to not have to respond to media prodding and just focus on coaching. This is real world though, not fantasy games. And,,,, did you expect him to come in and immediately start throwing players under the bus? Until he sees he can’t work with somebody, he’s got his players’ backs. Personally, I would expect nothing less of him. It’s called TEAM mentality, as opposed to whiney fan mentality.

      • smoke the rock

        all i want to know is if we’re “Building” a team or dallas DIRK 2.0 because that we’re not.This Dirk 2.0 he’s talking about is nothing more than a Toni KUKOC 2nd player off the bench and should be used that way or backup JV when he gets here

        • p00ka

          Your posts don’t reflect wanting to know anything. You already know it all. Whatever tag you post under, the same old tired lines, all day, every day, aren’t “news” at all. Just background noise clogging up chances of reasonably mature discussion.

          • smoke the rock

            pookie i don’t want to know any thing from you because i know where you fan boy stand and i know your going to miss waving your flag but this is the nba i never heard any body said that DIRK was soft this #7 guy has got to go.this is crazy asking your #1 pick ,7fter ,2 coaching change .5 years later “do think you can get 2 rebounds per quater” now watch them try and pad his rebounding stat and try to tell you he’s a all star

            • p00ka

              lol, the kid resorts to the “fanboy” lame defense. *yawn*

            • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

              You are right. The ALL STAR is Chris BOO BOSH who got 3 (THREE!) coaching change.7 years later “do think you are franchise player” as smoke the rock believed since your draft ? now watch him try no1,no2,no3,no4,no5,no6 and try to tell you how can be 38 pts has been pounded on cb-onlyme-4 !

              • Nilanka15

                Bosh was a bigger bitch than Bargnani. What’s your point?

    • cesco

      Ab will have to beat the likes of KG and CB at the PF position , I don’t think Casey think that is possible .

      • smoke the rock

        well did he start smoking the rock already?

      • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

        I m the only one who remember AB7 killing CB-who-4 all night long in TO ?

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Am I the only one who remembers that Miami played in the NBA championship while the Rap’s dropped from 3rd to 5th in the Lottery under BC aka Bull Chit & led by AB aka The Quitter?

          Who won that Heat vs Raps game again?

  • Tiimo in Waterloo

    Totally unrelated post..  if anyone has access to the Raptors management team can you please tell them to BURN the green jerseys that they continually trot out on St. Patrick’s Day … I never want to see the Raps wearing green again, EVER

  • FAQ

    Come home Andy Rautins …. Canada needs you…!!!!!

    • NEWS FLASH

      ANDY and a 2nd pick for BARGNANI

    • NEWS FLASH

      nooooooo!

    • KaioKev

      As far as I can see Rautins has a good thing going on in NY. He’ll probably end up being the JJ Reddick (Duke) of the Knicks

    • KaioKev

      SORRY! SORRY! Disregard what I said about Rautins. 

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    If Jose starts at pg this season over Bayless then all the (re)build for the future hype is straight up bullchit as Bayless needs to start a full season to see what he has and this throw away 66 game season is just what the doctor ordered especially for young teams that need to give their young players actual NBA game experience (as starters).

    As well, Ed Davis should be starting at PF as well after posting 13 double doubles compared to AB’s paltry 2 while playing around half the actual on court minutes as AB.

    BC’s constant catering to AB- is he a PF or a C, is sickening for any true basketball fan plus Casey talking with his Dirk comparison’s is even more played out as Dirk rebounds and plays with heart- he will soon find that out.lol

    As soon as the players see AB getting away with the same bullchit on the court with no accountability Casey will lose the team, trust…

    • p00ka

      Rince, lather, repeat.

    • Bigbalboski79

      amen, bro

    • YuDarvish

      We already know what Bayless is all about. He’s 23 years old with the attitude of a teenager. He has poor court vision and a slew of other flaws, a lot of other teams know this which is why he’s been passed around like currency. 

      Jose is still the better PG and that’s a fact, but Bayless isn’t going to be given any starting role until he proves that he’s better than Jose, which he’ll get the chance to do this season. Whether or not he does it is anyones guess, but I’m not holding my breath tbh..

      • NEWS FLASH

        i feel the same way about #7

    • NEWS FLASH

      he’ll be smoking the ROCK before the end of the season

    • Nilanka15

      Casey brought up an interesting example when discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of Bayless starting versus coming off the bench.  DeShawn Stevenson was a starter in Dallas, with Jason Terry coming off the bench.  But which guy played heavier minutes and was on the floor during crunch time?

      Perhaps Casey envisions Bayless to take on a similar role as Terry, especially with Barbosa all but guaranteed to be gone next year.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Casey is full of bullchit as Terry nor Stevenson was the primary point guard as well any comparisons made between Dallas and Toronto are facetious in nature.

        The Mavs were competeing for a championship not a high Lottery selection- recognize game.

        The Rap’s are so called (re)building and how do you (re)build with Bayless on the bench once again in favor of starting the matador defender Jose The Human X Ray Calderon?

        Put the kool aid media spins down as everyone under BC is a yes man ie they are told what to say to the press via BC brainstorm sessions.

        • Nilanka15

          I never suggested Stevenson/Terry are point guards (not sure where you got that idea).  I simply said that perhaps Casey intends to use Bayless as a primary scoring option off the bench, just like he did with Terry in Dallas. 

          In this hypothetical scenario, if Bayless gets 30mpg (similar to Terry), then I don’t see the harm in that…as long as we look to improve our PG spot next year via the draft/trade/free agency.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            My bad.

            Casey will use JB however BC tells him to use him.

            Kemba Walker………could be a Raptor right now gaining experience with DD & company instead of waiting on Val.

  • FAQ

    SONNY WEEEMS IS BURNING UP THE EUROLEAGUE IN SCORING AND REBOUNDS!!!

    Bring him back together with Val for next season … Go Sonny, Gooooooooo!!!!

  • Sam

    Bayless has to show that his 18+ as a starter wasn’t all Mike James chucking. Let’s see some maturity, good decision making, getting the ball to where his teammates can get good looks.

    Who cares about stats when your team sucks.

    • 2damkule

      ‘Who cares about stats when your team sucks.’

      i’m going to go out on a limb & assume you’re not a big bargs fan?

      in all seriousness…i didn’t find that bayless’ improved stats while starting came as a result of a me-first attitude or to the detriment of the team.  as a starter, he seemed much more relaxed, patient, etc…almost like a real PG!  it was as a back-up that i found him to press & force the issue, which often led to him being out of control, usually with poor results…and he let the frustration of those poor results get the better of him.  yes, he’s pouty/moody, but i view that as him having a strong will & believing that he’s a good player, and simply not understanding how to deal with frustration.  one of the more frustrating aspects of this team over the last few years has been the general ‘aw shucks’ mentality of a lot of the key guys.  i may not like how bayless expresses himself at all times, but i appreciate that he actually does express himself.

      perhaps bayless performed better as a starter because he didn’t feel additional pressure to perform in a condensed time-frame?  as a back-up, you know you’re only going to be on the floor for a finite period of time (especially in TO, where starter’s minutes seem all but guaranteed)…my simple guess is that he would try to do too much when he saw floor time, leading to bad decisions, frustration, poor play…and back to the bench (to brood).

  • j bean

    If we could meld a Baylerone taking the best attributes of each we’d be looking at a top five PG.
    If Bayless can show he can run the team and creatively make those around him better his athleticism will make him a force.
    If Jose can stay healthy he could be the leagues best backup PG. I don’t see him starting the last part of the season.     

    • 2damkule

      a la Forderon?

  • Bigbalboski79

    I have no idea why we would waste our time with Calderon starting???  The last 20 games of last season we actually started to find out what we have in some of these guys.  unfortunately it was too short a time.  i my mind, you play bayless and ed davis heavy minutes, figure out what the ceiling is on these two.  you start bayless and pull him when he makes repeated mistakes.  calderon will get destroyed against the leagues other starters.  i’d keep bargs on a short leash.  ed davis is my first big off the bench.  i only start bargs so as to shop him.  amir johnson is not a Cente, and i dont care if he is 354 pounds.  he is another piece to be shopped. 

    • 2damkule

      in general, i agree.  it’s a development year, so let’s see what we’ve got.  but the flip side is, jose has shown himself to be a better distrubutor than bayless, so if you want to see how guys like davis progress, don’t you need a reliable guy running the show who can get him the ball?  i’d prefer to see bayless start (& get the majority of the PG minutes) over jose, but i do value what jose brings to the table. 

      as for ed…i don’t think it’ll be too long into the season before he starts seeing the majority of minutes at the 5.  IMO, he should be starting there from day 1, but then, that would result in pretty much the same frontcourt rotation as last year (bargs & one of ed or amir), and we CAN’T POSSIBLY HAVE THAT.  because, y’know, the whole reason bargs was bad was because he was playing out of position, and if you play him beside ed & amir this year, what will have changed?  what they’re called?  it’s not as though their respective roles will be changing.  ok, rant over.

  • What the

    it should be fun watching guys being told to leave some rebounds for #7  (rebound stat padding) for DIRK 2.O

    • cesco

      Funny that no one ever complained while CB4 padded his stats for 7 years .

      • Nilanka15

        CB4 never took 17 shots to score 21 points…

        …oh yeah, and he rebounded because his front-court partner couldn’t.

        • p00ka

          Do you think there’s a big enough difference between 21/17 and 22/16 to be harping on all the time?

          • Nilanka15

            Yes, there is a big difference between 44% and 49% shooting.

            • p00ka

              I see. When someone points out how stupid it is to harp on what you’re harping about for the nth time, move over to another stat. Brilliant!! Another prime example of stats being for dummies. Go looking for your swirsky saviour to come to the rescue again before you dig too deep a hole.

              • Nilanka15

                lol, I suppose seeing the big picture is beyond your capabilities.  But let me spell it out for you nice and clearly, since you’ve proven time and time again to be lacking in the ability to read between the lines.

                – 21 points on 17 shots shows inefficiency.
                – 44% career shooting shows inefficiency.

                By citing both stats, I was making the same point.  Ta-da!  Don’t you feel better now that it’s been explained to you in lesser words?

                I certainly don’t need anyone to “rescue” me.  And believe me, Bargnani certainly doesn’t need you to rescue him. 

                • p00ka

                  Looking at a couple of stats is far from “the big picture”, but that’s what stat dummies hang their hat on so I can see how it’s the big picture to small minds. That aside, I responded to one thing and one thing only: you’re constant 21/17 rant, which is the only thing you were whining about, again. Re-directing the discussion to your version of “the big picture” is a form of accepting defeat, so I’ll live with that and brush off you’re lame attempt at snark. 

        • cesco

          You have selective memory , AB times and times again was boxing out his opponent when a shot was taken to allow Chris-almighty to catch the rebound , never the other way around .

          • Nilanka15

            AB boxing out?  Now you’re just making stuff up.  Next thing you’re going to tell me is that he also found a cure for cancer.

            • cesco

              CB4 was the cancer in the sense that with him staying , the Raps would have been forever a middle of the pack team . Now at least there is hope to move into the upper echelon a couple of years from now and Andrea will still be around . You lose your bet if he still around by the trade deadline or have you forgotten about that .

              • Nilanka15

                I completely agree that this team would’ve been severely crippled if Bosh ended up sticking around (for a max contract). 

                Having said that, he’s still a better player than Bargnani. I know you’ll never agree because you’re blinded by Italian National pride, but hey, whatever works for ya.

                NOTE: Before the sensitive folks jump on me claiming I’m “racist”, cesco has admitted he’s Italian, admitted that he watches the Raptors because of Bargnani, admitted he never even watched basketball prior to 2006 (when Bargnani was drafted), and admitted he would follow Bargnani to whatever team he gets traded to, and cheer for that new team by default.

                • p00ka

                  Sport is about fun, man. In that regard pride beats out whine 24/7/365. Go Raps!! Go cesco!!

                • Nilanka15

                  I’ll whine about players, because that’s what passionate fans do.

                  You whine about whiners…well, because that’s what you do.

                • p00ka

                  I think I’ll try the type of line your hero swirsk uses all the time: so only fans who agree with you are passionate fans. I get it!!! The players get their “6th man” inspiration from the passion of whiners. OK

                • Nilanka15

                  I never said anything about passionate fans needing to agree with me.  Not once. 

                  But please go ahead and continue to make stuff up if it helps make you feel better.  Seriously, I don’t mind.

                • p00ka

                  No, you said whining is what passionate fans do. Is it too much of a stretch of your feeble mind to understand that this extrapolates to non-whining = non-passionate fan? Bloody whiney fool and a waste of time. Carry on in your sad little world.

                • cesco

                  You are full of it , Nilanka . I said that IF Andrea is traded , I wish nothing but the best for the Raps . Since most of the games I will be watching are the Raps games I will be cheering for them to improve AND if they ever meet Andrea new team , may the best one win . You are the king of selective memory . Cheers .

                • Nilanka15

                  C’mon now cesco, don’t lie to us all.  If Bargnani is traded, and his new team faces the Raptors, you wouldn’t be rooting for his new team?  I don’t buy that for a second.

                  You become a fan of the Raptors because you were a fan of Bargnani first.  That loyalty to a single player will follow him where ever he goes. 

                  I’m not saying you’ll hate the Raptors.  But you’ll like Bargnani more.

                • p00ka

                  So intelligent that you now know what others think/feel. Impressive.
                  “The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”- Bertand Russell

                • Nilanka15

                  Weren’t you criticizing other posters for repeating the same post over and over again? 

                  And here you are, using the same quote over and over again.  Fitting.

                • Akash_singh

                  c’mon man, we’re all entitled to an opinion, he didn’t bring up anything about race, and neither should you. We’re all just fans here…..

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                CB4 was a cancer???lmfao

                AB is a form of CANCER that is untreatable.

                AB rarely boxes out and if he does it’s by accident trying to get out of they way of the rebounders.

                21 ppg on 17 shots per game……

                • KaioKev

                  Calderon is the cancer. As soon as another PG become as good or better than he is, he starts to play like garbage. If Bayless gets traded this season it will be because he was as good or better than Calderon.

          • What the

            so now it’s “Bargs was boxing out which allowed Chris -almighty to catch the rebound” it never ends

      • What the

        bosh did it in the flow of the game because #7 wasn’t going to get you more than 5 and now that bosh is gone #7 is pulling in —?

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    What part of tanking equals competitive balance?

    What was the lockout for since Kwame Brown just signed a 7 million dollar deal w/ GS?

    BC is steadily selling fans on the future like a fortune teller or crooked politician- read my lips……

    Jose & Bargnani are still starting for the Raps- how can you change the basketball culture with the two longest tenured Raptors that exemplify everything wrong with the team (weak defense) still around in town?

    BC is a lying con man- point blank!

    • Nilanka15

      “What was the lockout for since Kwame Brown just signed a 7 million dollar deal w/ GS?”

      No amount of system-tweaking can counteract stupidity.  Regardless of whether a hard cap exists or not, moronic GMs will always overpay for scrub players.  Always, always, always.

      • cesco

        I am glad that there are some morons elsewhere in the NBA world besides many fans here at RR who think that Andrea would be difficult to trade because of his salary .

        • 2damkule

          BC would have no trouble trading andrea.  what comes back is up for debate.

          • What the

            i wouldn’t care what we got back for #7

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        So the lockout was just about Stern flexing his ego since the questionable multi million dollar deals are still being made????

        Fans need to boycott this bullchit 66 game season sponsored in part by BC and his bullchit contracts ie Turk- to show Stern who has the power.

        • KaioKev

          will you boycott the NBA this season?

  • Nilanka15

    p00ka says:
    “No, you said whining is what passionate fans do. Is it too much of a
    stretch of your feeble mind to understand that this extrapolates to
    non-whining = non-passionate fan? Bloody whiney fool and a waste of
    time. Carry on in your sad little world.”

    In your anger-filled, hair-pulling, teeth-grinding, steam-blowing tirade, you seem to have confused yourself.  I’m still waiting for the part where I allegedly said that passionate fans need to agree with me.  Can’t remember?  Oh, that must be because I never said so.

    You’re like talking to my dog.  No matter how many times I ask him to roll over, he just sits there staring blankly at the treat in my hand, lol.

    Anyways, back to the discussion at hand (remember that “big picture” stuff we discussed in lesson 1?), Bosh is a better player than Bargnani, period.  I don’t need any more than 2 stats to raise that point.  But if you want more, I can certainly provide it to you.  Just make sure you calm down first, I wouldn’t want to be responsible for your aneurism.

  • Nilanka15

    Haha, so much hate, hilarious! 

    I don’t claim to know how to run an NBA basketball team.  Everything I write is my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.  Regardless, my “whining” is directed towards relevant topics (i.e the Raptors), you know….because this is a Raptors site.  Your whining is directed towards anyone who disagrees with you.  What’s funny is that you don’t even realize you’re whining! 

    It doesn’t bother me that you don’t like my posts, yet you continue to respond to them.  It’s like you’re sitting there biting your nails, desperately trying to come up with a way to zing me, but it never works the way you envisioned.  But I thank you for the laughs.

    Btw, the topic hasn’t been re-directed.  It’s been the same topic since you decided to join in.

    PS – I appreciate the dog advice.  I’ll give it a shot, because it certainly appears that your knowledge of K9 obedience exceeds your knowledge of basketball.  Cheers!