Raptors 73, Celtics 81 – Box

Caught the better part of this one on a stream which had Tommy Heinsohn mouthing off randomly. The man is the greatest example of why strokes should be taken seriously and not ignored. Clearly he’s suffered many in his years and its affected his reasoning on topics ranging from basketball to talking without spitting. In fact, I’m pretty sure he had one in the third quarter when a Raptors played picked up a charge on a 50-50 call.

Briefly on this game, it wasn’t pretty from the start and it didn’t get much better. The Raptors’ effort was again great, unfortunately, the Celtics treated this one as close to a real game in the first half and that included playing great defense. The Raptors are still figuring out what exactly their offense will be, so we saw a lot of over-dribbling, random movement that doesn’t go anywhere, and settling for jumpshots because there wasn’t a plan on how to get easy scores. As I said, it didn’t help that Boston came out swinging, which meant the Raptors never got to try out different things in this one because they were put right to the test from the get-go.

Bayless and Gray got the start and the rest of the lineup was unchanged from Wednesday. I didn’t want to blame the offensive ineptness of 30% shooting in the first quarter on Bayless, because everybody was off. The Celtics shot 56% in the quarter and the Raptors defense was always defending after missed shots, which is always harder than when the other team’s inbounding. Rondo was his usual self and Bayless had trouble keeping him away from the rim. When any Celtic did get there, Gray’s defense was abysmal. He looked very bad in pretty much every play he was involved in, thus making himself the low-hanging fruit Heinsohn was salivating for.

Bayless’ style was typified in one sequence where he got schooled and scored on by Rondo, his reaction wasn’t to get the team in the offense and execute a play, but to get it back on his own. He got fouled, but everyone was like, c’mon man. I recall Ed Davis making an impression with some post moves, and DeRozan shooting a couple air-balls. He had a miserable 4-13 night which was made to look respectable through some cosmetic FT shooting. The Celtics defense didn’t have to work hard to stop him, and that’s a little disappointing.

Boston also went at Andrea Bargnani a lot, putting him in help situations. Bargnani responded well, he only had four rebounds, but if I had to classify his overall defense, I’d say it was better than most on the team. For example, he picked up a foul playing defense on a play that last year he would not even have bothered with. He’s moving his feet much better (picked up a great charge again), and is making an effort to do the right thing. The offense, well, you can make what you will of 20 points on 17 shots. All I’ll say is that at no time did he (or anyone else, really) cause any real trouble to the Celtics (with the exception of a gorgeous reverse dunk).

The Raptors were down 16 at the half and were in the 11-16 deficit range for most of this game, and showed little signs of overcoming it making this very boring viewing. The three-point shooting read 1-17, no further analysis needed. This is a known problem which has gone unaddressed thus far. Why did the Raptors keep shooting threes when they weren’t going in? Because the offense was a mess (19 turnovers, 32% FG, only 11 assists), so it’s the easiest thing left to do. On the good news front, the rebounding was a great +10 (48-38). DeRozan tried to make up for his lacking game by hitting the glass and collected 10, Davis snared 8.

Boston’s scrubs were unleashed in the second half and they didn’t let the lead slip, not because they were great, but because the Raptors couldn’t get anything going on offense. The second half was more or less unwatchable. The Raps made the standard away team run to cut the lead from insurmountable to lets-make-it-look-like-we-were-in-it in the fourth. Quick take on each player:

Bargnani: Better defense, too many low percentage shots (e.g., those 22-foot jumpers).

J. Johnson: Very causal on the offensive end, need him slashing and making things happen off the ball, kind of like DeRozan in his rookie year. Had five steals.

Gray: He was awful.

Bayless: You can’t say anything nice about a point guard who goes 4-16, has two turnovers, and only two assists.

DeRozan: Hit the glass which I respect, but how about some scoring? He’s got to get his offensive game going to the point where he can attract double teams now and then.

Calderon: When he’s not hitting his threes, his value drops by 50%.

Forbes: Would’ve made Joey Graham proud.

A. Johnson: The heart is great, but as Hollinger pointed out, the strength is lacking.

Alabi: Got in for five minutes, it’s 50-50 whether he’s better than Patrick O’Bryant.

Ed Davis: Player of the game for us. Good rebounding, some very good post moves – 9pts, 8reb.

Season starts next week!

  • KaioKev

    That’s the perfect sum-up of what happened tonight. Will we be ready for Cleveland?

    • grL

      we will start from 5-15 next season ;]

  • RenaldoSugarbush

    I was also watching the stream and commented to my girlfriend how awful the commentators were. DeRozan trips and steps over a Boston player and that old dude was going off on how Demar is taunting. Celtics do that stuff everyday. Painful.

    At times Andrea looked like Andrea but he showed some spark and continues to work on D. The shot will come, I am more concerned with how he defends.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      I can’t wait till LeBron and DWade shuts Tommys mouth up.

  • Ryan

    Bargs had 17 shots, 20 points? Marginally better.

    • arsenalist

      Fixed. Thanks.

    • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

      You should complete your sentence as well : DD had 13 shots and 16; JB had 16 shots and 12;JJ had 7 shots and 4;JC had 6 shots and 6…..

      • Ryan

        You misunderstand my comment. Arsenalist had accidentally stated that Bargs had 20 points on 17 shots. I wanted to correct it. Don’t take everything as a personal assault on Bargnani…

        • Ryan

          Accidentally stated that Bargs had 17 points on 20 shots*

        • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

          I was just integrating Arsenalist stats.Nothing personal.I mean, low percentage shots.How does Arsenalist knows that. Now bargnani should not hit a 3pt when open ? So when Casey said I want players like DD AB JC take their shot when open, he was loughing. I just can’t see any real knowledge of bball by Arsenalist whatsoever.Just bashing players

          • Ryan

            Of course. But you missed my point again: why are you “integrating Arsenalist stats” onto a completely unrelated comment? I didn’t say anything about bad shots, percentages, or Arsenalist’s analysis. Nothing.

            And you replied specifically to me, not Arsenalist, so I’m not sure why you’re telling all this to me when I just pointed out an unrelated mistake.

            • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

              I just pressed the wrong reply button.Just my mistake. I was referring to the blogger

              • 511

                You know, dude … personally, I like to read almost all the contributors here, even sometimes, the nutty ones. But … I have to take issue with your theme of late, going off on Arsenalist. While he doesn’t need me or anyone else coming to his defense – he’s capable when necessary – but as a regular reader here, I feel I should explain that the reason most come by here to RR, probably the best Raptors blog anywhere, is because this guy knows the game like few others, especially around these parts, and is a gifted writer on the subject. You’re either a troll who spews shit from mommy’s basement and finds it way funnier than it is … or, as I think you might actually be, you’re just kind of new around here and you haven’t ‘gotten’ it yet. Whatever. Just consider, if you would, as the season goes by and you begin to understand what I’m saying. And cheers. 

                • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

                  from another raptors website: ” Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan and Jerryd Bayless, who started, pumped in a combined 48 of the team’s points. However they were 15 of 46 from the field and considering they logged nearly 100 minutes together, you can see why the club struggled to put the ball in the basket”.from The Defensive World Champion Coach “I thought Eddie did a good job, had a couple of breakdowns with his pick-and-roll coverages but again, it’s a learning process for all of those guys,” said Casey.Not from me,from you,from Arsenalist.
                   Im watching raptors bball since 2005, I’ve my nba tv pass and I try to look at raptors news in general. How can you say ED was the best player yesterday when at the end of the 3rd his number were 4 pts and 2 rb. The only way to explain it is Arsenalist didnt see the match.Simple as thatSaid that  marry christmas to you and your family

                • p00ka

                  I’d also add that it doesn’t take an expert to know that the team’s focus in this preseason is about Defense, but the ED assessment says nothing about ED looking like a deer caught in the headlights on D. Hey, he’ll get there in catching up with speed of the NBA game, but as long as we’re analyzing players,,,, horrible defense is something to note at this stage?

                • cesco

                  The first time Davis came in , he played around 9 minutes of which around 8 minutes were against KG and Davis stats were 2 points and 1 rebound at the end of the first half.
                   He came back in the third quarter when KG left for good . His scoring started to pick-up then . How could he possibly be the player of the game ?? .

  • Tinman

    Oh commentators weren’t awful.
    Just ridiculous homers and Tommy is the homiest of all. And probably is liquored up by halftime.
    The guy was a hell of a player though.

  • http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress khandor

    Every game the Raptors lose this season will bring them closer to a high Draft Lottery selection next summer … which is precisely what they will need to become relevant in the new NBA down-the-road. Conversely, each W which they acrue will be yet another nail in the coffin of perpetual mediocrity. If there ever is a year to tank, this is definitely it.

    • Tinman

      that applies to about 15 teams in this league. And it apears that the moves made so far have not increased our W’s

    • Tinman

      what worries me is that I think there are five or six teams out there worse than us

      • Nilanka15

        Even the 5th or 6th pick “should” net us a very solid player.

        • voy

          i look at perry jones ranked 5th in some mock drafts and i think, how much better can the guys ahead of him be?  maybe its because do you really need a 6’11 with sf skills?  reminds me a little of a taller t-mac, but being taller in this case is not really as much of a net benefit as it would be if he had more of a power game.  still the little bit I’ve seen of him I’m astounded at the fluidity of his movements and skill set.

          perry jones and jv as part of the frontcourt of the future?

          • Nilanka15

            Good call on the TMac comparisons.  I admittedly haven’t seen much of Jones, but the few clips I have seen make him look like a definite TMac clone (minus the outside range).  He’ll probably play SF in the NBA.

            PG: ?
            SG: DeRozan
            SF: Jones
            PF: Davis
            C: Valanciunas

            Some solid youth movement pieces right there.

            • Mediumcore

              A front court of Davis and Valanciunas looks pretty solid, but I think all other positions on the starting line up need an upgrade. I like Demar, but I think in todays NBA you need two guys on the floor (especially in the starting line up) whom can handle the ball, create and be play makers (Wade/LeBron, Rondo/Pierce, Kobe/Fisher, Parker/Ginobli when they play together at the end of games, etc..) Calderon or whomever replaces him going forward in the starting line up is the only player with that ability. Demar just doesn’t have the skills and in a best case scenario can be moved to the small forward position. IMO the Raptors need to look at free agency for a PG or SG (depending on how they draft) to round out the starting line up.

          • sleepz

            T-Mac played the 1 out of Mt Zion Academy before being drafted as a High Schooler. Jones might have the length and athleticism that is similar to Tracy but not the handles or the court vision.
             He’s a 3/4 that can face up and finishes well around the rim. Not sure of the NBA comparison that best suits him, but he’s a different player than T-Mac.

            • 2damkule

              ‘length and athleticism…a 3/4 that can face up and finishes well around the rim.’

              sounds…durant-ish?

              • sleepz

                I wish that were the case. It’s possible but imo, Durant has better handles, shoots it better with range, and the refs have already given him the superstar label because if you blow on him it’s a foul (back in the days didn’t you have to work for it and take some lumps before you got the Jordan treatment?lol).

                Not sure if P. Jones has that type of ability but I would venture to say he’s even more athletic than Durant and Durant is definitely no slouch in that department.

                P.Jones is a very interesting player as it will depend on how he develops the rest of his game (fundamentals like shooting and ball handling) that determines his ceiling and if he’s a good player or a true star.

                If you get a chance that Baylor is a fun team to watch. They play St. Mary’s later tonight I believe.

            • voy

              i think i see some t-mac in him because the of the size, skill, athleticism and a body that looks like it can fill out and pack on a bit of muscle.  you’re right though he is a different player than t-mac, but at 6’11 thats not a bad thing.  ideally, you dont want a 6’11 player handling the ball as often as t-mac could or facilitating the offense from the perimeter.

              I normally hate hearing anyone compared with t-mac cuz mcgrady possessed just off the charts combo of size, skill and strength for a sf.  But Jones is the first player in long time I can recall, coming out of college, possessing that combo of skill, size and potentially strength.  I just wish he was a few inches shorter as at 6’8 his skill set would be the perfect fit, but at 6’11 it may be a little tricky guarding other nba 3s.  I guess it all depends upon the system and matchups though.

              Really looking forward to seeing more of his games this year.

              • sleepz

                I completely agree with your assesments, and I think the fact he is 6’11 actually might help him because he’s awfully quick and can jump out the gym for a guy his size which is a match-up problem if he can play the 3.

                Interesting prospect on a team that has 2 bonafide NBA prospects this year (Jones and Miller)

  • Harry S. Truman

    My observations are more or less the same as Arsenalist’s:

    – As far as shooting nights go, it doesn’t get much worse than this one. The Raps could not buy a bucket from the field or the line and the 3pt shooting was beyond horrific – how’s 5.8% from beyond the arc grab ya? I hope this isn’t a recurring theme all year or the hapless Raps could go from the worst defensive team to the worst offensive team in one season.

    – Crazy Uncle Tommy Heinsohn commented early in the game how the Raptors have been perceived as a soft team. However, when DeMar DeRozan fouled a Celtics guard (Bradley I think) hard and refused to help him up, Heinsohn reacted as if a felony had been committed. “DeRozan stepped on him!” proclaimed the heavily-medicated commentator. When the replay showed DeRozan merely stepped over him, Heinsohn theorized that DeRozan deserved a technical anyways for taunting.

    – As with the first Celts game, Bayless looked determined to play himself out of the NBA.

    – The Raps, for the most part, exerted a decent effort on the defensive end. Can’t really fault them there.

    • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

      If Ed Davis was the player of the day, I m father Christmas. ED bulk up his score (no much) at the end of 4th. Watching second half you can see he wasn’t at his best. I know Arsenalist can’t see the reality but..

      • Nilanka15

        It’s clear you’re indifferent about every player on the team except Bargnani.  Man, I loathe fanboys…

        • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

          No, you are wrong. I like ED and he has got tons of potential.Different is just define him the best player when he clearly was a non factor.

          • Nilanka15

            I didn’t see the game, so I can’t say with certainty why Arse thinks Davis was the best Raptor last night. 

            But I can guess it had more to with the “little things” (i.e. deflections, proper positioning, good rotations, fighting for rebounding position, challenging shots, being vocal on the defensive end, etc.) that don’t show up on the stat sheet.

            The boxscore doesn’t always tell who the best player was.

            • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

              I saw the match. I was just disappointed that Ed was not involved by others players on offence and his movements were less reactive (apart from 2 nasty dunks that removed some frustation). To me its normal to have up and downs in preseason, adapting to new teammates and new coach. Just didnt like Arsenalist statement’best player’.Thats irrealistic

            • p00ka

              I saw, and ED’s defense was damn near as bad as it can get. It’s like the game is too fast for him and he was a deer caught in the headlights. Those stats may look very efficient, but they mostly came against the scrubs of the scrubs, while those same scrubs were increasing the lead. Arse often has some good insights, though can be a tad unbalanced at times, just like most fans :)

            • cesco

              Ed stats at the end of the first half : 2 points and 1 rebound . Guest what ? He played mostly against KG . When he came back in the third quarter , Kevin was finished for the night .

      • sleepz

        If Ed doesn’t get 30 minutes a night on this squad, Casey will be doing a great disservice to this team.

        • RapthoseLeafs

          .
          I have disagree. IMO, Ed should be handling about 25 minutes a game. He still has much to learn, and while playing experience builds confidence & experience, watching can be beneficial too.
          .

          • RapthoseLeafs

            that should read …. “and while playing time builds confidence & experience, watching can be beneficial too.”

  • Raptor4Ever

    All we are doing this season is to find out who are the keepers and who just does not belong and so far,

    Keepers:
    AB: He is playing defence and improving. If he continues to get better in that department then he should be a part of the future.
    Davis: Has been solid and should be kept.
    DD: A lot of improvements but still like to see more defence from him.
    Jose: He can run this team off the bench

    Does not belong:
    Bayless: He is not helping his case by shooting 4-14 as a PG.
    Amir Johnson: maybe he is still hurt but his numbers are just awful for a guy who makes 7 million a year.

    • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

      Agree with Keepers. AJ wait end of the year, Im sure he will be ok. Bayless is the question mark. Colangelo will trade or expire Calderon contract as much is a nice guy and a good player. In his role Casey needs a star to compete.And we have the money.

  • Aaron

    wheres Barbosa? He is 3 times the player bayless is and is more of a scoring threat then demar.  Hope Forbes won’t play over Barbosa and the same for Bayless. This team  needs a spark and bayless isn’t it.  We can all see why he’s been traded sometimes in the last year.

  • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

    How about this score line: 28 min fg 2-8 ft 3-8 points 7, 15 mil a year. Who can be ?

    • Guest

      I have no idea. No one in this game played 28 minutes. Who is it?

      • cesco

        One of his team mates , a Canadian who plays center had 8 points in 21 min. Need another hint ?? .

        • Nilanka15

          Bosh stinks, and Bargnani rules.  We get it….

        • 2damkule

          1. ?
          2. cesco – are you ‘AB7.38pt.on.cb4’
          3. seriously…one of who’s teammates? 
          4. neither AB’s nor your (cesco’s) comments make a lick of sense, at least not in the context they were made.
          5. what canadian player makes $15M/year?
          6. this stat line wasn’t from this game
          7. it’s bosh (obviously).  except, the stat line quoted above isn’t entirely accurate, nor is he canadian, nor is he a centre, nor does he make ‘$15M/yr).  except for that, well done!

          relevance?

          • cesco

            For Pete’s sake , I am just playing the good Samaritan to give a hint as to who it is .How many players make 15 mil , I had to check the stats to see if I was guessing right , so I noticed good old Joel stats .

          • p00ka

            1. ?
            2. you don’t pay attention if you believe that
            3. you answered that yourself as “obviously”, so why?
            4. what context is that? it may be pointless, but senseless?
            5. not what anybody said
            6. not what anybody said
            7. what’s inaccurate about stats presented? never said he was Canadian. never said he’s a centre. well done on $15M being wrong, even though $16M emphasizes his point more (whether you find it relevant or not)
            Well done!!

            • 2damkule

              i can see where the confusion lies, and it’s my bad; when i re-read it now, cesco was referring to a teammate of joel anthony, who is the canadian in question.  i took it to mean that the mystery player was:

              – a teammate of a current raptor,
              – canadian,
              – a centre,
              – made $15M/yr.

              mea culpa

              i just wonder, though…is this how the season’s gonna go?  i thought we let go of bosh when he left?  are we gonna dig him up as a comparison everytime he has a bad game?  why does anyone give a rat’s ass anymore?

              • p00ka

                I hope not. AB7…. has got to let go of the Bosh chit. It gets almost as tiring as that BC…MUST GO character, though I wonder sometimes if it’s the same guy toying with both sides of the fence.

  • Gerry

    I think we can agree the Ed Davis is the best player on this team. 

    • Malefax

      Honestly, no. He’ll be good in a couple of years.

  • Claudio Digiuseppe

    Well,
    all the obsession for the defensive end of the game has come to a conclusion: at last, we are not able to play even the offense any more!
    And remember, just a few years ago, the pundits here and elsewhere sentenced we were throwing too many 3 pointers! With good percentage, after all, but it wasn’t good any way: we had to get slashers!
    Now, we don’t shoot threes, we don’t defend yet, we can’t play offense anymore.
    And one of the few offensive weapon for scoring we have; A.B., is constantly under threat of being lynched on the Main Street!
    Well done, folks.

  • Ppellico

    Grays defense was horrible!?
    I think you need to play center on a team that is missing every shot its guards are “throwing” and THEN perhaps you will understand his situation.
    The Cs defense just falls back and allows our stupid shooting to kill itself.
    PLUS…
    He was given 2 fouls in 2 minutes!
    I guess you would still be THE defender and not even concerned with fouls.
    I suppose you, with your 2 fouls and a whole game still yet to play, would be THE agressive man in the middle???
    Come on…see what is in fact gong on and what is causing this.
    Again you have a foward that is shooting 2 for 10 shots and NO REBOUNDS…
    But Gray gets your goat?
    Puleeeze.
    I think he was the only player to end up with a plus in the box.

    • Nilanka15

      Gray is such an insignificant piece of this team (now, and in the future), that he’s probably not even worth discussing (good or bad).

      • Ppellico

        Who are you kidding?
        Have you read the box score?
        The guy, new the team and system, gave you 15 minutes of solid bench play!
        You got anything better to put there?
        You got another starter?
        If so, the team seems to have sucked accordingly without his help.
        Your other options you seem to want are horrid shooters leaving nothing but a broken team on the floor.
        You perhaps can accept a 4 for 15 percentage just because it nets you 10 points…as if totally blind of the missed shots killing team possessions.
        How often, how much longer will you allow for missed shots killing offensive opportunities before you finallt learn what a quality possession is?
        I read the stats.
        I see the rebounds and the assists!
        They do not exist! They are a joke!
        So please…get some heart and basketball reality before you say such nonesense.

        • Nilanka15

          lol, are you Gray’s brother or something?

          Aaron Gray is not an important piece of the Raptors team going forward.  Period.

          • Ppellico

            There is not one person on this team I would consider and “important” peice going foward.
            I see hoorid outside shooting.
            I see horid defense.
            Not a stand out at any position.
            So exactly what are you referring to as an important peice?
            Very confused.
            I am telling you that to speak of Gray after a week of team practice and all new system and coach is, well…to be kind… basketball dumb.

            And if I hear another praise of Bargnani with his 7 for 17 shooting and a hellish 4 rebounds in 30 plus minutes I am going to think Ifollowed Gray t basketball hell.
            Is this some stupid basketball city where nobody understands the finer points of the game?
            Does anybody understand the killer who shoots such a percentage without at least some defense!!!
            This is madness.
            Absolute madness.

            This team has no special building piece…please.

            • xxx

              I see one spicial  piece on this team only one…this coach claims that he watch tapes of almost all our games last year (he needed to watch the last 5 years) and maybe he would see that the guy who is trying to turn into DIRK is going to cost him his job .
              The special piece ED DAVIS

  • Nilanka15

    Yes, the offense was ugly for the 2nd straight game.  But we’re still learning that end of the floor, and the Celts are still one of the best defensive teams in the league.  I’m not worried about the offense.

    • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

      I agree with you this time. Im really impress with DCasey system. Just different team on D. Well in the 3rd we were keeping Boston at 55 point.wow. Last year was maybe 80ish. Offence will come, maybe with a new pg (?)

  • hateslosing

    I did not see the game last night but a few things jump out at me from the stats. 
    First, we held them to 81 points. If you look at other games from last night that is the lowest point total any team that won had and is the third lowest overall (Memphis and us had less). Another thing that points to a good defensive effort is that we held them to 39% shooting and they had 21 turnovers. Without seeing the game, those numbers make me very happy. Our offense will come, especially against worse teams.
    Another interesting thing I see is that James Johnson had  +5 in 31 minutes. Normally I ignore +- stats but when we lose by ten and a guy on our team plays all but 17 minutes and has +8 it is interesting, especially when they have abysmal offensive stats. The turnovers are still a problem but 8 rbs, 2 blks, and 5 steals is great. Team high 3 assists is nice too. Bayless and Gray also had positive stats so maybe this is just a line up thing since they are getting destroyed on here. For Bargs, 20 points on 17 shots isn’t bad. He hits a couple of those threes he missed, passes off a couple of his long two’s and you have a pretty efficient stat line. Four rebounds is atrocious though and even if his defense is better we need more from him. I don’t like to see four turnovers either. 

    • AB7.38pt.on.cb4

      Nice read. At 50-55 the ref called 6 consecutives fouls on our defence (ft)+ 2 fouls on offence + AB turnover who was a boston foul and the score suddendly was 67 53… Casey was jumping all over the place ! I just loved his reaction

  • GMoney

    After that appauling offensive output, I hope Dwane Casey isn’t the second coming of Kevin O’Neil!

    • Nilanka15

      Over/Under on broken hotel room lamps this season?  3.5

    • p00ka

      Not even close. Casey doesn’t call every single play.

    • xxx

      Thats the guy who said he was going to put Vince back on the map just like this coach is trying to do with bargs who will only play good at home games 

  • Bendit

    2 pre season games against the Celtics playing like defensive dervishes….I’ll take the anemic offense from the Raps vs the improved effort on defense. Remember, it’s culture change time. However, I thought DD’s shot would have improved (too much dunking in those lockout games will do that to you). 

    • 2damkule

      wait…you mean 2-for-2 from 3 in the first pre-season game wasn’t an indication that he’s a legit 3pt shooter now?  weird.

      • p00ka

        A 2 shot sample means he is? Weirder.

        • Nilanka15

          …I think 2damkule was being sarcastic, drawling parallel to Bargnani’s 9-rebound game which concluded (to some people here), that he had turned the proverbial corner.

          • p00ka

            oops, so much sarcasm running through my own veins, yet I miss others’ sometimes. That being said, I can’t see the Bargnani reference. Lot’s of people putting way too much stock in stats of these two games. Evaluate performance against stated team goals, or known individual weaknesses and we have a relevant conversation.

          • 2damkule

            broader than that…it’s silly to make too much of the positive or negative from any player, from any ONE game, pre-season, regular season, or playoffs.  no one’s hammering bargs (and if they are, they shouldn’t be) for his 4 rebound effort yesterday, because, well, it’s just one game.  stats at this stage – and to a large degree, over the course of the season – are relatively insignifcant.  i’d argue that stats can do more damage than good – if DD, for example, ups his #’s, but doesn’t really improve his D, does that help in his evaluation as an overall player?

      • Bendit

        Sorry. A 4-13 with an 0-3 (from 3) tends to induce amnesia about another pre season game. The team is counting on him for efficient offense going forward and these stats aren’t going to cut it. 

        • 2damkule

          gotcha.  applies to everyone though, right?

          • Bendit

            You must be confusing or equating DD’s perceived potential and offensive dependence with everyone else’s on this team.

            • Bendit

              And after my reply above I read the rest of the thread prior to. Yes I am quite aware of the minimal nature of the games played so far and my original comment on DD was in that vein and just a personal disappointment because of special hopes for a significant advancement in his game in year 3. 

  • knickz

    I’m all for defense but I cant believe these guys forgot how to play offense. Why was Alex English let go exactly?

  • knickz

    Boy I cant wait till the celtics suck again. Lets see if Tommy Heinsohneeps running his mouth

  • sleepz

    It’s early and we’ll see how the season develops, but if DeRozan continues to try and rebound (which he did last night), and with the maturation in his offensive game (you can see his confience as he feels he’s a legit offensive weapon), I think we will see another evident step in his development this year.

  • sleepz

    Shots should be well spread around on this team but he (DD) should get the most shot attempts on the team as I think he will get to the line regularly.

    • 2damkule

      i agree that his usage rate should go up, but his ‘official’ FGAs likely won’t…if he’s drawing fouls & getting to the line at a decent/high rate, then those attempts don’t count statistically.  more than likely, bargs will lead the team in FGAs again, simply because he’s not drawing as many fouls (& getting to the line as often).

      • cesco

        Last season Andrea went to the line an average of 5.3 times a game (350 times in 66 games ) . DD went to the line an average of 4.9 times a game (402 times in 82 games ) . A week or so ago , a poster said that Andrea is HORRIBLE compared to Dirk in going to the line , in fact Dirk is only slightly better . Last season Dirk was # 17 in going to the line among qualifiers  (avg/game) , Andrea was # 28 and DD # 35 . Pretty good for our two best players .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

    Were lacking production from the 3 spot. C’mon James Johnson has provided nothing offensively these past two games. His defense his been ok. I don’t know why everyone was so high on this guy and made a damn youtube video for him. 

    • Nilanka15

      Technically speaking, the entire team has provided nothing offensively.  1 through 15, we’re far from a well-oiled machine at this early point in the season.

  • Stikz

    i hope you’re not comparing the Raptors to House Stark. Otherwise Casey (Ed Stark) will end up without his head (job), which will fall to Triano (Lady Catelyn) on an interim basis. Bargnani (Sansa) will be waiting to marry her prince (a contender) even though the prince will use and abuse her/him and then eventually make her/him their b*tch. Demar Derozan (Arya) will be exposed as something he’s not (Arya’s a girl pretending to be a boy, Derozan will be a high draft pick exposed as a role player). Ed Davis (Bran) might get injured and knocked out for the season. Alabi or Gray might be Rickon, there but not making any real contributions. We have no Rob Stark so we might be screwed as no one will eventually be able to ascend to lead the Raptors. Um, and obviously Valanciunas would be Jon Snow, member of the Night Watch (playing for Rytas Vilnius) unable to have sex with a woman and never to have a family (the Raptors).

    That was brutally tortured, but i’m bored. Waiting for Man City – Chelsea to start.

  • Paradigm Shift

    Tommy Heinsohn’s stellar performance was noticed by more than just Raptors fans last night. Ryen

    Russillo tweeted the following:

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Orlando offered Dwight for Sweetney straight up after listening to Mike and Tommy talk up Sweets