Just one of those games, like Jack said. You can blame it on the fatigue of a quick turnaround from finishing 4 games in 5 nights. You can call it sheer stupidity to give Ryan Anderson open looks over and over again when you know exactly what he does.

Or you can just call it one of those games.

It is a slippery slope to just marginalize an effort like this by calling it an anomaly, but this team has performed well enough to be given a “mulligan”, if you will.

The torches are already being lit for Andrea Bargnani and his very mediocre performance since returning from a calf injury.

There’s a couple of ways to look at this. Ok, maybe three ways.

Either Bargnani is 100% but his conditioning is off, which was understandable for maybe 4, 5 games after coming back but doesn’t fly anymore and another indictment on his perceived lack of assertiveness and professionalism. But virtually none of us fans are 7-footers (yes we know Leo) and it’s probably that much harder to regain elite quickness at that size so it’s not completely unforgivable, but a little understandable.

Or Andrea is not 100% but has been thrown out there because of the consensus amongst Raptor brass that he’ll still help this team in his current state. If this is in fact the case, he isn’t. Andrea Bargnani is not helping this team right now. He’s shooting horribly, which makes this theory more viable because of the role legs play in giving a player lift in his shot. His defence, until last night, was passable. He’s become better on interior rotations for sure, but the added element of closing out on a stretch 4 was probably too much for a guy who needs to be spoonfed defensive concepts because he it utterly clueless how to read NBA offenses and go with his intuition. They need to shut him down if he’s not 100%, although Tank Nation may actually object to that at this point.

The third way could be that he’s fine but gone back to his regular self after a tantalizing 13 game stretch to begin the season. This might make sense if he was playing like the old Bargnani, but he’s not. He’s not the same player offensively, and believe it or not the defense has still been decent after coming back, so it’s hard to believe this is the case.

Dwane Casey will learn from this game, as will his young team. It was a different type of offense than they’re used to. Ironically, the defensively inept Raptors under Triano did have some success dealing with the Magic defense, because it’s designed to make defenses, especially aggressive ones, beat themselves. Passive defenses actually do well against this type of offense. It was actually impressive the way Orlando picked apart the zone that the Raptors tried later in the game. They are well coached, to be sure, but still do not strike me as a team that will keep Dwight Howard happy enough to stick around.

Gary Forbes should be a major part of the rotation when DeMar DeRozan comes back. He gives this team that long range threat it needs to open up the floor, and has decent ability to finish as well. If the Raptors could have just made some stops consistently, his offense would have brought them back into this game, but it wasn’t to be.

Just one of those games. Don’t tell that to Ed Davis, who just replaced Hedo Turkoglu as the new Pizza man. Maybe Bryan Colangelo needs to re-work Easy Ed’s incentive clauses on his contract, because he pulled one of his more aggressive moves all year to deliver that free slice to the Raptor faithful.

  • Theswirsky

    Given the starters job.  Given a fancy new contract.  Didn’t live up to expectations.  Got injured.  Came back as soft and uninterested as ever.  Team was unimpressed he was out of shape. Team tried to trade him but there were no takers.  No one wanted that contract or liability on their roster.  Team told him to go home for the remainder of the season. 

    Thats what the rebuilding Washington Wizards did with their AB….

    • Destro

      There AB rebounds and hustles on D…

    • Brent

      You’re talking about Blatche?

  • Nilanka15

    I found it amusing to hear Jack Armstrong talk about the need to extend Casey and Colangelo.  Devlin wasted no time to agree.  Honest opinions, or brown-nosing drivel?

    I agree Casey needs to be extended.  It’s clear to anyone who’s watched this team for the past 16 years that he’s arguably the best coach we’ve had (Butch Carter is the other finalist).  I’m anxious to see what he can do with a full training camp, and more importantly, a REAL roster.

    Which brings us to Colangelo.  He’s got next season to prove he’s the right man for the job, without putting his “win now” personal agenda ahead of the team’s future, and that task starts as soon as this season ends.  I’m all for hitting the ground running, as long as a high level of play can be maintained for many years to come.  If he hits the nail on the head, extend Colangelo at the end of next season.

    On the other hand, if the Raptors are nowhere near playoff contention come the 2013 All-Star game, then BCGots2Go!!!

    • DC

      I agree with everything other then BC getting another year. This guys been here what 8 years what have we got to show for it. A #1 overall pick that should be a 6th man and so called ” untapped potential” Gtfo here. This roster is terrible and I would be surprised if BC didn’t manage to fuck it up more then what it already is. Do you really expect this guy to turn shit into sugar? maybe hell sign a fa like turk or trade for a “star” like JO. Or maybe hell draft the next dirk like king bargs. No I have no confidence in this GM at all and even less confidence in his understudy stefanski. 

      • Nilanka15

        I think it’s a 50-50 shot Colangelo turns things around.  I think firing him now shows even less stability to would-be free agents, making things that much harder to improve the team (like what Jack and Matt eluded to).  Plus, bringing in a new GM, with a new philosophy, would only postpone this “rebuild” another 2-3 years…something I have no patience for.

        Colangelo’s made some good and bad moves over the years, but which GM hasn’t?  The first 4 years aside, I can’t really complain about any of the things he’s done over the past 2.  I kind of want to see him finish his “new” vision of how to rebuild this team, assuming progress is seen starting as early as next season.

        • sleepz

          What’s his vision though?

          If it’s about defence and execution in the half court (which is more Casey’s vision imo than Colangelo’s) there are a few ‘core’ pieces that should be out the door before the start of the 2013 season.

          • Nilanka15

            Completely agree.

            IMO, Calderon is as good as gone by next year’s deadline (Colangelo has already said he needs a PG of the future). 

            But what he does with Colangelo is anyone’s guess.  6 years is far too long to evaluate a player.  Colangelo needs to make a decision about Bargnani as soon as this season ends.  Keep him, or trade him for the best offer you get before training camp.

            • Nilanka15

              *But what he does with BARGNANI is anyone’s guess*

            • sleepz

              Lol, I actually thought that if half court execution is most important for their offence you might have to keep Jose around and groom a replacement. lol

              I was thinking more about Andrea and Demar. Andrea from the defensive perspective and whether he fits Casey’s system (offensively does he operate efficiently enough as well?), and for Demar, they don’t run which takes away transition opportunities for him which is a strength for him, and when will he start defending his position? The ‘core’ pieces BC has assembled to me are big question marks in this system.

              • Nilanka15

                If we draft Beal, I would expect nothing less than a DeRozan trade.

                • sleepz

                  If we draft Beal I want Colangelo gone.

                • Nilanka15

                  lol, I’ve got Beal as 3rd on my big board, behind Davis and MKG.

                • Cred

                  You’dwant Colangelo fired for drafting a SG with exceptional offensive capabilities who playsgreatdefence? Glad you’re not GM.

            • Destro

              The amusing thing about Calderon now is he has passed over about 3-4 great PGs in the last 4 years because he insisted Calderon was a near all star calibre player…

              • sleepz

                Calderon would be a great back-up pg but I agree that BC after re-signing him overvalued him as a player.

                • Destro

                  great back up in the german league behind Klaus Shvitzen

        • Destro

          He has no vision when are ppl gonna wake up to this ? What is the plan ? Its a patchwork roster of players that he has re assembled 3 times over since 2008..Previous to that the plan was to be a jumpshooting team that doesnt play D and that failed massively too…

          People always talk about this guys plan,honestly he doesnt have one…with JV next year he has a shitload of average bigs and still 7 years later no wing or PG…HOW is that a plan ?  

          • Raps4Ever

            And yet you chose to live in agony following a team you see no hope for, 7 years past, or in the future. You enjoy pain?

      • Theswirsky

        I think its hilarious that BC gets a free pass because he warned the fan base that that this would be a rebuilding year.

        But why is it a rebuilding year?  Because of his completely terrible high risk decision making he’s made to get to this point.

        -building around Bosh
        -not trading Bosh
        -drafting Bargnani
        -not dealing with Bargnani
        -trading for JO, Mario, Hedo
        -firing Mitchell, then giving Triano an extension
        -treating Derozan like he’s earned playing time and a starters job

        And its a freaking accountant who is one of the few who recognizes his failures.

        • Truthkiller

          MLSE needs to get Donnie Walsh or maybe even Larry Bird (reportedly to step down) are going to be out there in FA and they are guys that know how to build a basketball team. 

          • Destro

            Donnie Walsh made a mess out of the Knicks no thanks….

            • 2damkule

              walsh is pretty much responsible for turning the steaming pile of shit left behind by thomas into the players that eventually netted them carmelo…a move, BTW, that he was against, and is the main reason he’s been shunted aside by dolan.  he’s mainly a figurehead in NY at the moment.

              you might want to understand history a slight bit before making such proclamations.

              • Truthkiller

                +1

              • Destro

                No Isiah inherited a bad situation when he got there,he didnt sign Allan Houston on one leg to a mex deal…he made some personal mistakes but he also had draft gems…meanwhile Donnie has gutted his team for 2 star players that havent worked out and one of em he signed to an uninsurable max deal cuz of his flaming hot knees…so no breh Donnie has messed up BIG…and he stuck under those contracts and a mediocre team…

                • Truthkiller

                  I’m not sure if your familiar with the situation in NY, but here it is. 

                  Donnie Walsh back in 2011 had a solid team, he did not want to gut his team for Melo, instead he wanted to get him in Free agency where it would’ve been significantly cheaper but was overruled by the owner. Once that happened, he was out.

                  GET YOUR FACTS then talk.

                • Destro

                  Did he sign Amare or not ? Yea i noticed you glossed over that…

        • Nilanka15

          I can’t fault him for trying to build around Bosh.  If the alternative was trading him, I’m sure his hands were seriously tied by the ones signing his paycheque (as well as the paying fans).  We’re talking about one of the two best players to ever don a jersey in Toronto.  It wouldn’t have been an easy decision to part with the team’s best player while in the midst of a playoff race.

          I can’t fault him for drafting Bargnani.  In such a weak class, any of Bargnani, Roy, Gay, Rondo were crapshoots.  But if he doesn’t trade him this summer, then like I said, “BCGots2Go!!!”.

          Trading JO was definitely a gamble, but at the time, might’ve been worth the risk.  But I agree that trading his expiring contract was a terrible move.

          Turkoglu was also a terrible move, but it wasn’t THAT obvious when it was made.  Turkoglu was the biggest free agent prize of the summer, and we actually managed to snag him away from a competing American market.  Acquiring Barbosa drastically minimized the damage caused by Turkoglu, which makes the signing much less of an issue today.

          I agree that extending Triano made no sense.  Here we have an inexperienced coach, who completely failed on an interim basis, yet that somehow warranted an extension.  I think we all scratched our collective heads over that one.

          DeRozan was drafted with the knowledge that he would be a project.  It’s hard to develop a player that raw without force-feeding him minutes.  Is it fair?  Absolutely not.  But the alternative is letting him rot on the bench and hoping he learns how to play through garbage time, and watching game film.  In that case, not the best use of a lottery pick.

          • Destro

            JO is was worse than a gamble,he had bad knees back THEN….he gave up a mid 1st rounder for a guy who lasted half a season….turned to MArion then flipped into an atrocious signing….

            • Nilanka15

              The gamble was that if JO recovered from his knee issues, then we’d have our first all-star calibre centre since the days of Antonio Davis.  Believe it or not, some players do actually recover from knee surgery.

              Would I have made that move?  Probably not.  But you can’t deny the fact that the Raptors were in “win now” mode at that time.  The 17th pick would not have helped much back then.

              • Destro

                Your telling bold faced lies friend,name me the player at age 30 with bad knees who recovered and wasnt a shell of his former self ?
                Antonio McDyess ? Stoudemire ? JO ? Larry Johnson ?
                name me the player ?

                In your 30s,you dont get your lift back after having multliple knee surgeries…it was a stupid gamble with no reward….

                • Nilanka15

                  I fully admit it was a gamble.  But it wasn’t as terrible a move as some suggest (the terrible part was trading his expiring contract for Marion).

                  JO still averaged 13.5 pts, 7 boards, and 2 blocks for us.  We haven’t had that kind of production from the 5 spot since then, lol.

                  Plus, he was acquired because we had just been man-handled by Howard in the playoffs. 

                  The degree of risk can never be quantified (it’s one’s opinion versus another), but regardless, I understand Colangelo’s reasoning.

                • Destro

                  yes it was lol…

          • CJT

            BC’s entire run as GM up until the last 2 years was centered around building around Bosh.  I know that everyone looks back and says Bosh was crap blah. blah blah. but he was also the best we had and one of a handful of 20 & 10 players in the league at that time, who had shown his abilitiy to improve year after year.  So like Nilanka I understand why the organization was trying to build around him.  Was there risks that didn’t pay off?  Of course, but at least there was action.  Look at Orlando’s situation, they are in the same boat, average team surrounding an admittadly better player than Bosh, but certainly they are not Championship contenders.  I would like to see the outcome of this build and also agree that there will need to be changes made to current personel.  A lot depends on the draft and free agency this year for me.  With even a slightly higher talent level how many more games could this team have won this year?

          • cdub

            The issue wasn’t building around Bosh.  The issue was drafting Bargnani, who plays the exact same position as Bosh, and then trying to build a team with your two top players at the 4 and 5.  That pretty much sealed Bosh’s fate to leave when they did that. The best year the raptors ever had was the year they drafted Bargs and they still did it despite Sam being forced to shoehorn a useless Bargnani into the lineup, and then ultimately losing in the first round with that absurd starting lineup with Bargs at small forward.  Then the next year they went 500 because Bargs cost them about 15 games himself with his terrible shooting and invisible defense.  That year should have been Roy or Gay, hindsight saying Gay.  Just think about having Gay at the 2 on the team we had.  Instead we got 3 years of coddling Bargnani and bosh ssaying ba bye…

        • Destro

          Thats why i rip the guy all day and do not let the rebuild talking point get used as an excuse as to why he cant do shit right NOW……PPL always ignore the fact this team is “rebuilding” because of the moves and miscalculations he made that put this organization in peril…..NOW im told i have to be patient and let him see it thru..FUGG THAT ! 

          • Nilanka15

            You don’t like Colangelo, that’s fine.  I honestly can’t blame you.

            But what is the alternative?  Which GM can come in now and fix this without taking 3 steps back?

            It’s easy to say “fire Colangelo”, but doing so without a legitimate contingency plan is just fans blathering on a msg board.

            • Theswirsky

              the Raps still need to finish taking steps back though. 

              Colangelo never finished the tear down before the rebuild.  Thats will be the problem going forward.

              • Nilanka15

                I’m working under the assumption that the final steps of the “tearing down” process will be accomplished this summer.

                Get rid of the players who don’t fit the system, or the long term plans.  Nobody except Valanciunas is untouchable.

              • Destro

                This is why i say he dont have a plan…He didnt even plan his rebuild properly because he left too many remnants of the past team here (AB,JC) now he’s trying to patchwork a team around old guys and sprinkle in new guys….He has been winging this GM shit for years…

            • Destro

              NO i dont like what he’s done here,he has failed…dont change the narrative…
              Its easy to say it based on the body of work,you dont need to have THEE guy in place right now but you dont keep letting a guy fuckup because your ideal candidate isnt available either….I basically would let this off season ride and see what happens but he’s basically got another DO OVER plus a contract he can get rid of…if were bottom 4 again next season with the same lack of progression in the same personnel he will be gone…

              • CJT

                For once I agree with you.  If we are bottom of the league again he will be gone. 

            • sleepz

              It’s hard from a fans perspective to have a replacment in mind because we don’t know who is available or who even wants the job but GM’s are out there and it’s the responsibility of the team (Isn’t Embry still around to help this out?) to do their due dilliegence and find a replacement.

              Keeping BC around because you don’t know which other GM is better or would want the job is an attitude that can help continue the treadmill of mediocrity

              • Nilanka15

                That’s why I’m waiting for this summer.  Will the moves Colangelo make allow for sustained improvement, or cap us as a potential 8th seed for the foreseeable future? 

                If it’s the latter, he’s gotta go.  But I’m willing to play it out.

                • sleepz

                  It might be hard to tell no?

                • Nilanka15

                  I think the players he brings in will tell us a lot.

            • Cred

              Destro wants to be the GM of the Toronto Raptors. That’s his alternative. The guy seems to have a great plan, and a wealth of experience to really turn this franchise around lolol.

              • Destro

                Raps would never be in this position if if i was GM…

              • CJT

                or maybe that Gots2Go guy who would bring in all PG’s from the NCAA that have 3 assists and 4 turnovers per game.

                • Cred

                  Hey great idea, Destro can be the GM, and Gots2Go can be Director of Scouting and Development. They can build a dynasty here.

                • Destro

                  Maybe you should take a look at our roster on paper,those guys would be no worse than what we have….

                • CJT

                  give your head a shake.

    • sleepz

      Do the Raptors coming close to the playoffs next year necessarily mean they are on the right track in rebuilding?

      Casey is the only part of the management team that insprires any confidence for me right now.

      If BC doesn’t get the #1 pick in the draft this year but manages to draft a stud or ‘cornerstone’ to help the franchise I would be willing to extend him more patience as a fan, however he’s already burned his currency with me to the point where I look at him in the same light as the players he drafts and then ensures they get in the starting line-ups to ‘develop’ them, without merit or them ever truly earning it. Rewards without merit rarely ever lead to prosperity. 

      • Nilanka15

        “Do the Raptors coming close to the playoffs next year necessarily mean they are on the right track in rebuilding?”

        Short answer is yes (assuming it’s young, promising players leading the way, instead of Anthony Parkers, and Jorge Garbajosas with a 2-year expiry date).

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Jack & Matt are just empty corporate suit talking heads- they’re still trying to get folks to eat corexit contaminated Gulf Seafood in New Orleans during Raptors broadcasts in relation thereof..smdh

      BC should go this off season along with everyone who he brought into the front office plus Jose & AB- and a new broadcast team.

  • Angryrapsfan

    I am by no means a Colangelo supporter. But his recent moves (Hiring of Casey, Drafting JV) have swayed my opinion in his favour that he is starting to get on the right track. 
    We can’t blame him for the Bosh debacle because Bosh kept him and the entire organization in the dark until the very end. And if people say he should have traded Bosh blah blah blah well you guys would have hated on him more for trading an All-Star instead of trying to resign him.  
    Many NBA players don’t want to come here and signing guys like Amir who plays hard and loves the city is a good move on his part. 

    • Destro

      False you can and should blame him for the Bosh episode….You dont wait for the player to make YOUR decision for you…We all knew it was at least 50/50 he was going to opt out BC knew this too…If BC was a progressive thinking guy he would have tried to deal him for max value summer before (2009) I personally said this at the time over and over when they signed Turk,shoulda flipped Bosh for pieces… 
      The further miscalculation was trying to build a team around Bosh when it was clear (2007-2008) you couldnt do that because he was not a franchise leader but just a nice piece as he is now in Miami….

      At the end of it all you got nothing for Bosh…and yes you absolutely can blame that on BC…

    • Theswirsky

      “We can’t blame him for the Bosh debacle because Bosh kept him and the entire organization in the dark until the very end”

      nonesense.  Everyone in the NBA knew he was gone.  The only ones who didn’t realize it (or perhaps want to realize it) were Colangelo and a handful of fans.

      How does someone not realize a player is leaving when he decides to ‘test the market’ when he was already offered more than anyone else would be able to.

      • Destro

        YEP he had already turned down BC’s extension…that right there should have been bryan’s cue to start selling….

        • cdub

          I don’t know what people wanted BryCo to do about Bosh.  He obviously colluded with James and Wade.  At most they could have traded him for a pile of beans as he would not resign with another team when he already had his mind made up…play out his contract and sign as a free agent.  Nobody was demanding Bosh be traded earlier despite these hindsight critiques that are meaningless.  The guy is a top 3 PF in the league and people are talking about him like he is trash.  We could have built a team with him it just wasn’t built properly at all by BryCo, that was the problem.  See using your #1 draft pick on a guy that plays the same position as the guy your building around…I’m sure Bosh loved that one..  Sure Bosh may have not been outspoken or a great leader but they could have got those qualities from other players, like when grunwald brought in AD and Oak.  On one hand many talk about how no one wants to play in TO, then we get an all star player that actually resigns and we critisize BryCo for not trading him….hypocritical.  I agree this is all BryCos fault just for different reasons.

          • Truthkiller

            The whole thing about the CB4 situation, is that everyone in the entire league knew he was gone. There were no rumors whether he was contemplating to stay, there was nothing.

            Even those annoying pricks in fucking Los Angeles Steven A and Skip Bayless said that Bosh was gone. So for BryCo and some fans to say the Raptors were 4th and that there was a chance of resigning Bosh, they were being delusional. 

            He declined the extention, and much like Deron Williams seemed to express no feelings towards the franchise. Those are the hints, Utah did the right thing 2 years early. 

    • sleepz

      It’s already been said by others (BC accepting the blame for Bosh rather than trying to pin it on the player) but I also remember Colangelo saying that if Bosh wanted to go to another team that he would acquire assets via sign and trade that would help our franchise. That didn’t happen.

      GM’s do make mistakes but BC’s accountability level is almost non-existent and this seems to permeate itself throughout the organization. Stand up and take responsibility instead of trying to find the excuses, especially when you are the decision maker.

      • Theswirsky

        “GM’s do make mistakes but BC’s accountability level is almost non-existent and this seems to permeate itself throughout the organization. Stand up and take responsibility instead of trying to find the excuses, especially when you are the decision maker”

        just thought that should be repeated

        • Hugh

          Actually, BC has said countless time that it’s on him to win, and that he made a mistake trying to build around Bosh and look for quick fixes. He has admitted that he is finally doing it the right way, and this time, is not getting tempted by what’s on the free agent market that would only make this team marginally better (ie. competing for 8th spot, just as he did in the past. 

          • Theswirsky

            “he made a mistake trying to build around Bosh ”

            Love how he said that AFTER Bosh turned down a max contract (twice) and then left.  If building around him was a mistake why offer him that deal?

            • Hugh

              He also admitted that would’ve been a mistake. 

              • Destro

                Will MLSE admit re uppin his contract was also a mistake…

        • RaptorFan

          “GM’s do make mistakes but BC’s accountability level is almost non-existent and this seems to permeate itself throughout the organization. Stand up and take responsibility instead of trying to find the excuses, especially when you are the decision maker”

          dido…lol…

  • Akash_singh

    Most of the games this year have had an eerily predictable quality, where our defense allows us to compete for a majority of the game, before we succumb to lack-of-talent-itis. This was especially true when bargnani was out, our rebounding/taking care of the ball was better, but our offense floundered in the end without the spark of talent he is sometimes able to provide. Last year we were just as likely to get blown out by 20 as we were to pull off an upset against a good team………………that type inconsistency is infuriating.   

    My favorite game this year had to be the one where we demolished golden state, who still think outshooting your opponent is the key to winning games.

  • Holmes

    As if it wasn’t time already, I think Bargnani has to be gone by the summer, yes I’ll take as much as a mid-first round draft pick (is that too much to ask?). I hope BC finally comes to grips with this, I can’t wait to see what excuses he’ll make for Bargnani not producing this year, I think we, as fans, deserve it, after the injury I was willing to give him 7-8 games to regain form, now we’re up to 10 and still nothing. My biggest fear is that Dwane casey (and I love the guy as a coach) will sway BC from trading Bargnani, because as we’ve witnessed this year, Casey seems to be a big fan of Bargnani. So please, be gone, it’ll free up our PF log-jam, and ultimately make our team better, blowing it up starts with Bargnani, who by all accounts is a great guy, is an NBA player, and has a good skillset for his height in terms of scoring, but enough is enough. 

    • c_bcm

       I don;t think that trading Bargs is the er to the log-jam at PF. HE’s still a goo player for this team, but he’s being asked to do too much. Keep in mind his contract isn’t all that bad for a 2nd or thrid option guy. What we need is a first option guy. I think Packaging ED or Amir to get another draft pick or trading down in the draft is a better way to improve this roster. Heck, i’d even consider packaging Demar with something to get someone like Harden or Jennings.

      But I keep Bargs. Just have to find someone else to take the load off of him. He’s not good enough to lead this franchise, and shouldn’t be asked to. Doesn’t mean we should move him.

      • c_bcm

        the **answer to the log jam

      • Destro

        Some decent points here friend.I agree pointless to deal bargs NOW given hes sliding and coming off injury,and i agree he can co exist on this team just not as the leader or 1st option…As far as ED im against that,id still like to Ed given decent mins and not the bs he’s doing right now..He showed last year he can do it in good mins..i believe he can do 15/10 over 30-35 mins the numbers bare that out…

        I have no prob moving Amir and that bumass contract,im even ok dealing DD esp if you can bring back a Jennings or young skilled PG in that package..You aint getting Harden for that now and tbh i think harden is going to leave when he becomes a FA or trade..They cant afford him.

        We should mos def be targeting those positions RIGHT NOW…if you have to throw in AB to make that happen DO IT…. 

      • FAQ

        you are a true fan.

    • CJT

      I have been an AB supporter, because I believe that he is talented and can help the team win.  I have been disappointed by efforts like last night, but still think he is a valuable asset to the team.  I agree that he is not a franchise type guy and that is on MLSE to not make the same mistake they made with Bosh in that regard.  I think he would be an excellent second option to a great wing scorer.  I suppose we will see.

      • FAQ

        It sound like you are going to cry

        • sleepz

          I’m not sure why that comment was funny, as it almost made my cry with laughter……….but it just was.

    • j bean

      When Andrea puts it all together he is a force worth a lot more than a mid first round pick. I can’t get his brilliant 13 games out of my mind. 
      Seriously I do think he will get his act together next year.

  • NyAlesund

    We have to wait the BC’s decision from the pick, to the trade to the acquisitions. We need a talented roster and not a collections of rookies. There a plenty of space under the cap, we have a decent core and valuable asset that we can use for trade, all of this to garantee to Casey a real team able to fight for po. No excuses. The time for experiment is over.

  • Destro

    So who gets amnestied this off season ? Amir ? I would add AB but realistically i know mgmt here wouldnt do it…

    • Nilanka15

      I could see it being Kleiza.  Not sure if there would be many takers considering his knee injury (unfortunately, Colangelo can’t trade with himself :P).

      And if we draft MKG, our SF rotation is set in stone for years to come with JJ backing him up. 

      No space for Kleiza.

      • sleepz

        Kleiza will be here especially with JV coming next year. You can book that for certain.

        Why is everyone so high on MKG? I like the kid, don’t get me wrong but you’re going to take a good defender and rebounder playing the 3 with the #2 pick in the draft? Calipari kids make good pro’s (as far back as his Umass days actually) so I wouldn’t be distraught taking him but is he better than T. Jones? I question his ceiling especially when a lot of his pts are transition buckets. We don’t run! Aren’t we all criticizing Derozan for the same issues? Derozan doesn’t have his motor but they are similarly ‘unpolished’ wing players.

        • 2damkule

          the appealing aspect with MKG is that he just flat-out balls, hard, night-in & night-out, on both ends.  you’re right, he’s not overly polished offensively, but he has great awareness on the court, and has a really nice feel for pace.  i’d argue that he actually does quite ok in a half-court set, and can take it inside & finish (often with contact).  of course, it remains to be seen whether those skills will translate…but i have a hard time imagining that he won’t be – at worst – an impact player in the NBA.  he’s not a franchise player, but he’s the kind of guy you can build a chip team with (maybe just not around).

          • sleepz

            I would never question is effort, desire or awareness. He understands the game. I think a product of his success has been playing with so many other great players. Davis, Jones, Lamb and Teague are potential NBA players. He is unquestionably as well, but I think the Raps have now transitioned to the type of style Casey wants to play.

            We can defend better now but they can’t score consistently. Logically, I think they would  need efficient scorers that have the ability to defend to fully give Casey an opportunity to show how good of a coach he is. My only concern with MKG is how good he is in the half-court sets with a team that has roster holes? You put him with a great 1 that can run and is a distributor ala Rondo and I think MKG is a great addition and is a significant piece. I just think the talent level on this team is low right now and not sure he fits.

    • FAQ

      The boys from COMPTON

      • Destro

        Nah even if i didnt like him,he makes 3 mil..pointless

  • Raps4Ever

    What’s with all the BC angst swelling up again? Anybody with a brain knew how this season was going to play out, other than knowing what actual progress Casey was going to achieve with the current personnel.

    Complaints about past years aside, what’s he doing this year that you feel is wrong? You can’t cure the past, no matter how often you look through the rear view, but what’s the point of whining about it as some sort of justification for no confidence in the current plan. Just like to hear yourselves complain amongst yourselves?

    The current plan is fairly clear, and involves patience, this year being an evaluation year, followed by those assessments helping to govern both draft choice and summer moves. Are there complaints about what that plan is, other than “I don’t have confidence because of past mistakes’? Shit, at this point, what point is there in not simply letting the year play out, see what happens this draft and summer?

    • Lorenzo

      Thank you. People need to stop jumping to conclusions while in the heat of the moment, when everybody had no expectations going into this season. A couple games in, and suddenly we’re overachieving and our hopes go up, so as soon as we start to decline an angry mob of BC and AB flamers come here complaining. Just shut the fuck up already it’s getting annoying.

      2012-13 NBA Season, be there.

      • FAQ

        You should see what the tribal hankers said about Eemar after his 30 points game and a win against NY

    • Rich.S

      I always wondered what it’s like to invest time and effort into something you despise, something you don’t believe in, something you believe is utterly hopeless. Perhaps some on here just have too much time on their hands? 

      Bickering, whining, disappointment, and the constant need to bring up the past, without focusing on the future, hindsight has ALWAYS been a common theme here on the Republic. Perhaps Colangelo’s balk during this past offseason on signing any big name free agents, and purposely signing scrubs to short-term contracts left some thinking playoffs? Or perhaps a 60m dollar contract to an oft-injured, inconsistent starting center of the former NBA champs would’ve comforted the (m)asses.

      Think pragmatically. Logic tells us, for those who listen, that this year’s draft, and this offseason could potentially be this franchise’s first watershed moment in the path to contention in the foreseeable future. Going into next season, we’ll have, by all accounts, a franchise centre, a potential top 5 pick which should net us a very good player, and a possibility to land another 1st rounder. Also not to be left out, one heck of a head coach. Just wait it out, what else is there to do? Have bitch sessions about the team every other day? Productive..

      And I’m not going to touch on the Bargnani subject, because the biggest problem with that debate? There’s no middle ground. His supporters think he’s flawless, and his critics think he’s a scrub not worthy of playing in the NBA.  I’ve seen all sides of the subject, which has been discussed ad nauseam, for nearly 6 years. Let’s see what happens with the Raptors.

      • Lorenzo

         +1

        It’s good to know the ones that are “bickering”, are the minority.

        Only good can happen from now on.

        • mountio

          Agreed. A couple of bad games (in a season where we need losses to get a good pick) and everyone is rehashing the last five years claiming there is no sign of hope. Chill people .. things are fine. We are headed to a top five pick, along with JV – exactly what we need. If we were any better than we have been this year .. Id be even more concerned. The moe injuries the better. Clean slate next year and lets see what happens …

          • Lorenzo

             *claps*

            But don’t worry, the pessimists will go back to their daily routines in the next roll call when we lose to Denver by 20.

            I’m feeling good for next year.

          • Nilanka15

            I don’t mean to be the bearer of bad news, but assuming we finish with the 5th worst record, there’s only a 55.3% change we end up with a top 5 pick.  We could drop as low as 8th.

  • FAQ

    Whoa… somebody is emulating me … unfortunately they are somewhat dyslexic and twitter-brained too.

    But to get serious now ….. Ratpors are now dipping heavily into the D-League … Uzoh at PG….. Anderson at SG ….. and soon we’ll have a Fab 5 Dream Team ….LOL

    Oh…. and FAKE FAQ, keep up the good work …..!!!!!

    • Lorenzo

       It’s quite obvious who it is. It’s like he doesn’t even try.