The Raptors opened up a six-piece of whoop-ass.

Raptors 105, Nuggets 96 – Box

It’s really a shame that Tank Nation is in full effect, as it means last night’s game was a disappointment to some (especially the guy wearing the Camouflage “Tank Nation #1” jersey). In reality, it was a great basketball game to watch, and especially to be at. Of course, the only reason the crowd was hot down the stretch was because the Raptors hit 100 points early (pizza!) but I’ll take a lively crowd any time I can get it.

It didn’t look like it would turn out this way though. Late in the first half the Raptors slowed up defensively and got careless with the ball, allowing the Nuggets to storm back and grab a one point lead heading into the half. Or so it seemed, until Linas Kleiza came through with a huge momentum-swining half-court heave to send the Raps into the tunnel up a bucket.

When Kleiza nailed another triple to start the 2nd half (after Javale McGee’s second defensive-three-seconds violation of the game), the crowd woke up for good. That, or the trio of pre-teen dance teams at halftime really did it for those in attendance, myself excluded. The Nuggets would tie the game by the end of the third, but a switch into a matchup zone confounded the Nuggets in the fourth (15% shooting), and the Raptors pulled away. Dwayne Casey deflected praise after the game, saying the success was more about confusion than execution (including confusion for an inexperienced Raptors squad with two rotation players on 10-day contracts), but their team defense certainly passed the eye test for the quarter.

The Raptors also won the possession battle, securing 17 offensive rebounds (49-43 advantage overall) and only turning the ball over 10 times. Somehow the Nuggets still managed 23 fast break points, including two on a ridiculous Epic Vale jam over Jose Calderon (seriously…get the F out of the way when McGee has that much time and space. RIP Jose Calderon’s dignity.).

I can’t recall exactly how many second chance points the Raptors managed, but it sure felt like a lot of those O-boards lead to easy looks, as is generally the case. It helped double-time since the entire team was on fire from long range, dropping 12-of-22 from beyond the arc and getting 3-ball contributions from 5 different players. Linas Kleiza hit the two big aforementioned triples plus another, Gary Forbes put his range on display yet again (he also had a double-double and continues to make his case for a secure rotation spot for next year), Jose went 3-of-4, and Alan Anderson chipped in with one.

Oh, and most importantly perhaps, Andrea Bargnani hit two degree-of-difficulty threes to go 2-of-4. He finished with 26-and-5, getting to the line 12 times, but his triples were huge in terms of momentum. One came late in the shot clock on a quick catch-and-release, and the other appeared to be a heat-check early in the clock, with Bargs neglecting to even lower his arms, catching it above his head and firing right away. This was, without question, the most comfortable he’s looked since returning, and he looked aggressive from the onset. When Andrea is able to get his shot falling and be aggressive (in the same game, I mean), he is nearly unguardable. Sure, Kenneth Faried (quickly becoming one of my favorite players to watch) took him to work on the glass (also 5 rebounds, but in 11 less minutes) and had a few buckets underneath the basket, but Bargs team defense wasn’t bad either, which has been a constant even as his offense has struggled to regain form.

Speaking of offense struggling to regain form, I was thoroughly impressed with DeMar DeRozan in this one as well. In his first game back from injury, DeMar’s shot wasn’t anywhere close to falling on his first few attempts. Instead of forcing the issue, Demar actually recognized this and contributed to the game in other ways. This sounds obvious, but it’s been one of the main criticisms against DeRozan this year and last, in that if he’s not scoring, he’s not helping. He ended up with 5 rebounds and 5 assists, well above his averages, and even though he took 20 shots to reach 17 points, I never felt like he forced his game after the first few minutes. He probably could have shot less, sure, but he at least deserves a nod for working to contribute elsewhere.

I’d like to quickly touch on Ed and Amir here – both had 4 points and 8 rebounds, both missed a couple of easy looks inside, and both continue to play right around half a game each, on average. Amir’s numbers are better at 7.3pts-6.6rbs-1.2blk-58%FG (Ed’s are 5.8pts-6.3rbs-1.0blk-50%FG) but not significantly, and he’s paid much more. He also might be close to his ceiling after stagnating at this level for a couple of seasons, while Ed theoretically has some upside left, still having never gone through an NBA offseason, first due to injury and then the lockout. My point is that in the not-too-distant future the team will likely have to choose between the two, what with Jonas coming over and further complicating the frontcourt rotation. If the Raptors lucked into the #1 pick, one of them would definitely be out the door (or Bargnani…and commenters, GO!). Who would the team keep? I’d prefer Davis, just based on him still having some upside and being less of a contractual burden, plus I just like him better for whatever reason, but I’d like to see where exactly the split lies for the fanbase (50/50, 75/25, etc). My gut is that the commenters will prefer Amir, but let’s find out.

Moving on…

In the end, the Raptors beat a superior Nuggets team in impressive and exciting fashion. The win might hurt in the long run, pushing them “behind” the Nets in the Tank Standings (aka the Power Tankings) into 5th last, dropping their lottery odds temporarily to 8.8% from 11.9%, and dropping their “expected draft position” to 4.7 from 4.0. All that said, it was a really fun game, and I feel the fanbase needs these victories on occasion to keep the light at the end of the tunnel shining, not to mention the positive reinforcement this can have for the team, playing shorthanded and all (welcome, Ben Uzoh).

A show my girlfriend watches, Once Upon a Time, says that every curse can be broken by true love’s kiss. For the first time ever, the Raptors have won back-to-back games I covered, improving their record all the way to 3-18. The curse appears to be at it’s end, and I can only assume “true love’s kiss” in this case was me truly loving that we kissed Rasual Butler’s Corpse goodbye. The curse is over, but with one month left for Tank Nation, it couldn’t have ended at a worse time.

  • Theswirsky

    You know who gets dunked on in the NBA?  Guys who have the balls to get in the way of dunkers.  Do you know who doesn’t get dunked on in the NBA?  Pussies.

    So Jose has the balls the get in the way of that dunk and its his ‘dignity’ thats lost?

    Its officially time to break out the skirts when fans ask players to get out of the way. 

    • Valit

       I agree..It is always easier to step aside specially when this monster goon comes at you. That play last night showed once more that Jose has some huge cojones. He gained my respect…

      • Destro

        How was that cajones,he didnt even want to be in the way he just couldnt get out of the way and couldnt decide what to do..so he just ended up being in the way….No cajones used on that play…You ppl are desperate to hand out passes…

        • Trent

          This is what it would look like for the Raptors, every single night if  BC ever put a EURO team on the floor,yes and J Mc did it in our house with salute and all,check out the players who were on the floor . 

        • Caspa

          ‘cojones’ si queremos utilizar la palabra correcta. 😉

          • Destro

            Cojones Cajoles Cajun holes

            he sucks 

            • Caspa

              now that’s what I call an enlightened concept. Cheers man, you are ace. 

    • Angryrapsfan

      Couldn’t have put it better myself. Getting dunked on is overrated. 

    • DC

      Ok so what he got in the way? Who cares. He had no chance in hell to block that or even get a charge call so what the hell is he doing. Sorry no brownie points from me. 

      • Nilanka15

        Seemed like a good no-call, but it looked like Calderon was there in time, and initially outside the restricted area…but it also looked like his feet were shuffling.  Could’ve been a charge otherwise.

        • CJT

          Exactly, he was definitely looking for the charge.  The problem with a guy who has 7’+ wingspan is that he takes off earlier than expected.  As for JM, that salute was so……what’s the word………GAY.  You are a foot taller.  Congrats.  I noticed he didn’t salute when we put down two dunks on them in the late 3rd and 4th quarters.  No class.

          • Kevin

            Homophobia = no class. 

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              Sticking a penis up another mans anus hole- no class!!!!

              The penis was made for the vagina and the vagina was created for the penis- point blank, the booty hole is for defecation not sexual penetration.

              Homophobia is some media hyped balderdash to try and rationalize the irrational to the masses.

              A reprobate mind can rationalize any action(s) considered to be a sin and/or an abomination.

              • Nilanka15

                Yikes, you believe the Earth is 6000 years old, don’t you?

              • Lee

                Lol, wow, that was a little too descriptive.

              • GMoney

                Rap of the Day???

              • Akash_singh

                it’s not you that’s being sodomized, why the fuck do you care? 

                • FLUXLAND

                  I thought you left this place. You got separation anxiety issues or what? 

              • Gman

                Wow, stupid and ignorant.  A total double bill.  Your parole officer must be very proud of you.

              • trust your feelings

                Hey man, we understand your unconscious latent homosexuality, but you should accept yourself and get over it already. 

            • CJT

              You’re right, I should have chosen a better word.  Sorry to offend.

    • http://theondeckcircle.net/ Blake Murphy

      Dignity comment applies to the result, not the effort. I’m glad he didn’t go out like a bitch, obviously, I’m just saying…the result looked nasty. It wasn’t a real basketball criticism, just the kind of shot you take when a guy gets postered.

      • Destro

        I would say the bitchassness with respect to Calderon comes from the KG incident and the backup magic PG from a few years ago (forgot his name) who blatantly elbowed Jose in the back of the head and didnt get back at him….The dunk last night was nothing but just dont tell me he has cajones for being in the way…

        • Tizzlejizzle

          Anthony Johnson pg.

          • Destro

            thanks

          • Destro

            thanks

    • Destro

      No shot blockers get dunked on,Jose is not a shot blocker…

      Jose wasnt going to be able to do anything other than take a charge…once that wasnt gonna happen he should have stepped aside…

      • Lorenzo

        No shot blockers get dunked on?

        I’m sure Perkins, Ewing, Mourning, Bradley, Anthony, Thomas and many more would all disagree.

        • Destro

          NO,shot blockers get dunked on…you illiterate dyckrider…

          • Nilanka15

            You mess up on the punctuation, and he’s the illiterate one? 

            That makes as much sense as referring to Kevin Love as one-dimensional 😛

            • CJT

              Did you happen to notice Love dropped 40 last night.  also interesting how rebounding is irrelevent in one argument about Love, but all this dickweed ever talks about is how AB’s offense doesn’t matter only his rebounding.  Brutal.

              • Nilanka15

                40 pts, 19 boards (6 offensive), 4 assists, 10 trips to the line, and 4 threes.

                I guess the “one dimension” he’s referring to is playing basketball 😐

                • sleepz

                  I picked him #5 overall in my fantasy draft, and everyone said I “over-reached” but after seeing him in the preseason and how much he slimmed down you knew he was going to be balling this year.

                • Destro

                  hes top 10 fantasy player based on numbers…He just doesnt impact games you’d think he would based on the gaudy numbers he puts up….

                • Destro

                  Yes they beat the leagues worst time…I never said his numbers werent great….He doesnt impact games like true franchise players…mostly because he scores alot in losses…the 1 dimension is offense No defense to report and he is easily outmuscled in the post…stats great man top 10 fantasy easily…but ur hypocritical ass is gonna gloss over a certain biracial warriors stat line mmmhmmm but but but ones overrated and ones not….smh  

                • Nilanka15

                  How does Blake Griffin impact winning without Chris Paul?

                  Your honor, I rest my case.

                • Destro

                  You keep moving the goal posts on this argument breh…Blake is a 20/10 guy with whomever he plays with…Any team benefits from the best PG in the league…thats a non point,but you keep backpeddaling on how 1 is overrated based on stats and the other isnt…

                  I dont blame you…

                • Nilanka15

                  I’m not moving the goal posts at all.

                  You question Love’s stats because his numbers don’t translate to wins.  I’m saying that Griffin’s stats wouldn’t translate to wins either if he didn’t have Paul beside him.  And between the 2 forwards, Love is the far more skilled player (that’s not even debatable).

                  The fact that Griffin can jump over the short end of a Kia Optima doesn’t earn bonus points in my books.

                • Destro

                  yes you are,you keep changing the argument..You cant call blake overrated and use Love as the example…You gave your criteria Blake doesnt win on his own (retarded since no star player wins on his own) but dont apply that same criteria to Love….

                • Nilanka15

                  Blake not winning on his own is not my criteria.  I’m just debunking your criteria.  Wins and losses aren’t factored into my opinion.  Love is the far skilled player.

                • Destro

                  I never questioned his stats TRY READING dude,i praised his stats..i questioned that one is overrated and the other is not based on winning when neither has won….I dont need to defend Blake i dont think hes overrated,my point is you cant argue overrated and use Love as the reference,he hasnt won shit and plays on losing teams..that would make him exactly what griffin is in terms of being overrated….

                • Nilanka15

                  You define overrated using wins and losses.  I’m simply looking at individual skill lvel.  You know, it is possible to a good player on a bad team…

                • Destro

                  Blake impacted that game by making his shots and taking it to the basket…27-14-5 i believe and he was a major  reason they won the game….

                  Hes a ROY,all star and 20/10 without CP…he’s legit with whomever he plays with….

                  You’re talking in circles on this debate and its a joy to read…

                • Nilanka15

                  [see above]

              • Destro

                Your intellectual dishonest friend,quote me where i said rebounding is irrelvant you fuggin lying ass ? GO find it and QUOTE it RIGHT NOW !!!
                I said he was overrated,he’s soft defensively and he is the epitome of empty stats..I said the numbers are great but they dont translate to wins and make his team better and thats exactly what it is…

                AB’s offense is irrelevant its a 20 win team,aint my fault ur dense and cant see this…He needs to rebound and D up and then ONLY then will this team start to benefit from him and ONLY then will he ever get all star recognition….

                Fag

            • Destro

              yes it was obvious what i was saying…

          • Lorenzo

            Hmm… pulling a comma out of your ass… seems legit.

            • Destro

              Your stupid ass needed a comma to figure out a captain obvious statement,not surprised….

              • Lorenzo

                 *facepalm*

          • Lance

            Could someone get this dummy off the forums?

            • Destro

              This hoe is mad :)

              • CJT

                Is Ho suppose to have an e on the end of it?  Or maybe a comma would help. 

                • Destro

                  Feel free to make a basketball related post…

                • Derozan

                   feel free to shut the fuck up

                • Destro

                  what chu gonna do about ?

                • CJT

                  About???……………………..oh is there nothing else coming? 

                • SR

                  And tell him to drop the T on “what” if he’s gonna start throwing “chu” around.  “What chu” sounds like the Tai restaurant next to “Pho Sho”

                • CJT

                  I’m sure the majority of us would love you to make a basketball related post as well. 

    • c_bcm

      Bazinga, bitches! Love it.

    • pran

      another thing that should be noted is in the timeout prior to the dunk, casey specifically told them to limit the fastbreak points and move their feet and stay stay in front of their man. 

    • Truthkiller

      LMFAO that dunk was so much like a NBA2k12 dunk even the part where Calderon falls to the ground.

    • O D

      Pussy is Channing Frye jumping in the air and removing his arm so he doesnet get dunked on… Put that in the dictionary!  Calderon made the players play, the fans, the coach, and teammates want you to use your abilities to make plays, and Calderon was an example of a player doing what he could inspite of his deficits.. At the end of the day Denvers going ape shit on that dunk though.. lol

      Frye… Be a MAN.

  • Nilanka15

    Faried definitely has an endless motor, but I wonder if seeing his locks fly around gives the illusion that he’s working harder than he actually is, lol.

  • Raps4Life

    This wasn’t the first time that JaVale tried that dunk:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ugS-F-EKw

    About Ed Davis or Amir, I’d keep Ed. I agree with the points about Ed having a lower salary and (possibly) higher ceiling. But one of my main reasons is that it terrifies me when Amir starts looking to create his own shot, especially late in the game. I feel like he maybe thinks he is a much better player offensively than he actually is.

    • Darien

      Lol true I thought he was going to miss the dunk after all…

  • nate

    So sick of this BS! I want a good draft pick, but is one potential star in the draft worth the mental psyche and momentum of a fragile young team? We need some wins, pure and simple. I was clamoring for the Raps to get this win and they got it. And lo and behold we’re still in the top 5 picks of a deep ass draft. Cheer for the raps to win, not lose, that’s what true fans do.

    • Nilanka15

      Fragile?  If anything, they’ve shown that they’re pretty tough mentally.  Win or lose, they always play hard (with the exception of a few games). 

      The losing sucks, I know.  But it doesn’t seem to be affecting the players compete-level from one game to the next.

      • FLUXLAND

         Mentally tough? I’ve lost cont of how many 10 plus point leads they’ve lost and how many games have they lost by 10 plus?

        This team is not mentally tough nor does it compete. Don’t be naive. When the going gets tough, they tuck their tails between their legs or go fake tough guy mode ala Kleiza and foul in the name of fake toughness.

        Simply showing up doesn’t mean they are competing.

        • CJT

          21 games lost by less than 10
          15 games lost by more than 10
          17 won.
          You can make your own conclusions from that, but only a handful of real blowouts.

          • FLUXLAND

            Thanks for the effort.

            I’m not sure those number capture the initial point – blown leads during the game. Thus, the games lost by less than 10 would need a further examination of garbage time and players involved. I’m going to guess it wouldn’t help your argument.

            In the end, there is zero indication what this team will give you from one game to the next, I think that’s been clear this season. To suggest that’s competing, is falsehood, pending your definition. Again, showing up is not competing, turning it on against scrubs to pad stats (and getting the fans free pizza who later argue it is), is not competing. 

            • never sunny in t.o.

              You remind me of some radical old hippie who still dreams we’re in the sixties and comes here to cheer on the ‘new radicals’ to stick it to ‘the man’ like you were never quite able to. It’s over gramps. the rules have changed since your time. And get a haircut, will ya? 

              • FLUXLAND

                I got a genuine laugh out that, well done. Thanks. : )  How do the bambinos say? LOL?

                Let me add:

                The rules have never changed, and the rules will never change when it comes to the game; regardless of your blood point Kool Aid level.

                • never sunny in t.o.

                  The Kool Aid isn’t all that bad, daddio. Bargs-berry. Mmm. 

                • never sunny in t.o.

                  That sounding possibly not that straight was completely unintentional by the way. Not that there’s ….. you know. 

                  Clarified in case gots2go feels it necessary to give us another graphic description of what he want … I mean, what he THINKS that all could’ve meant. 

                • Destro

                  pause

                • FLUXLAND

                  Bargs-berry must be what the 2004 Lakers where drinking in the Finals. I think even Miami was on that stuff last year. Check the total rebounding numbers for the Pistons that series. Any clown suggesting this is a Detroit team in the making is sipping that stuff through a XXXL straw or is on an IV.

            • Jimmy

              Wahhh wahh wahh, life sucks, Raptors suck, everything sucks, let me complain about anything and everything, let me reach and criticize everything from the Raptors uniforms, to where they get their laundry done, as I do this I will continue to participate, and cry, on a site that is devoted to Raptors fans, something I am not. wah wah, now where’s my pacifier and warm milk, hopefully I can cry myself to sleep because this is just depressing. wah.

              • FLUXLAND

                 Jimmy, sounds like it’s time someone changed your diaper.  (Jimmy? Really? You are going by Jimmy? How’s grade school going?)

                • Jimmy

                  Nice comeback, but if you haven’t gotten the memo, I was mocking your overly-cynical, crybaby attitude. 

                  Jimmy is no more than a moniker, and in reality, it’s a nickname, usually for James, that, believe it or not, extend to those outside of grade school— something that you have yet to complete, (ie. see Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Fallon). 

                  Of course, if there wasn’t such a FLUX of idiocy that made its way from your head to here, it’d make more sense to you.

                  Now go find that pacifier 😉

                • FLUXLAND

                  I’m going to walk away from the sandbox now, you seem to be quite busy in there building you BC sand castle. Have fun, don’t eat any sand. 

        • Bendit

          You maybe confusing the lack of talent with the willingness to compete. On the latter there has been much improvement.

          • FLUXLAND

            Oh, I’m quite sure I am not confused about the talent. I think you may be confusing trying with competing.  Than again, point taken, can you compete when you’re acting like a farm team – gotta love these perennial BC scrub signings. 

            • Bendit

              So, we can agree then that the talent leaves much to be desired. That the team occasionally beats some decent squads or takes many to the brink signifies a compete level higher than you seem willing to accept. Is the team as constituted acceptable going forward? No. But the last year or so has shown the possibility of fundamental change (concentration on defense and willingness to use a more conservative approach to team building). Most of us as Raptor fans have no choice but to be hopeful. The selection of JV last year, a decent draft this year and other additions are events many are looking forward to. The alternative of course is to give up on pro ball or choose another team to cheer. I suppose I havent yet reached the depths of your despair assuming of course that you are a fan of the team. 

              • FLUXLAND

                Sorry late reply.

                You got a lot of stuff in there. I’m going to address in short.

                We agree as constructed (are we building yet ? Rebuilding? Digging?) it’s a no go. Going forward, you have a lot of what ifs:
                – shown “the possibility” of fundamental change (DC has changed his tune since he got here)
                – concentration on defense; so, no execution, leading us to ask is there an actual change going on?
                – JV is 50/50 proposition right now..is that not scary? We have no idea what will happen, he could be a huge bust.
                – decent draft? BC history tells us not likely.

                All in all, looking forward, you seem to be jumping into a paper boat. Your prerogative, of course, but that doesn’t mean the only other option is to give up. The difference simply may be that I hold the expectation bar higher than you. And it could be argued that the people who hold the bar high are the ones being heard, and hence the perceived changes that have already occurred.  No one is taking direct credit, but if changes are happening is certainly can’t be coming from the Kool Aid crowd who will take anything BC gives them.

                Thanks for being civil.
                 

                • CJT

                  I think you have to give JV a little more credit than a 50/50 prospect.  He may not translate well to the NBA game, but he has been incredibly successful at all levels of the game that he has played.  I am by no means suggesting that he is a guaranteed game changer, but I think his record shows more promise than 50/50.  I also disagree with you on the kool aid comment.  Just because some of us choose to be optimistic does not mean that BC has put something over on us.  I think the fans have a right to be and should be sceptical about some of the decisions, that any GM makes, but being optimistic about the teams future doesn’t mean we eat up every little thing BC says or does. 

        • Nilanka15

          Perhaps I should rephrase:

          “….the team has shown to be mentally tough [considering their relative inexperience].”

          The blown leads are a concern, but when compared to last year, there wouldn’t have been many leads to blow, lol.

          Casey seems like the type of teacher/coach who can get his troops to learn from previous mistakes.  The late game decision-making should improve next year with an extra year of experience, plus an infusion of talent.

    • Bendit

      I have never detected either the team or it’s coach in tank mode. All of the losses have been achieved innocently. Now, there is no doubt a tank nation but this does not seem to have affected the team.

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    Where are all the C L O W N S today Aka euro-haters aka trolls aka Tankers aka fake supporters Aka big Time Losers. Aka No Roll Call cos AltRap has no arguments
    Take the 6000 points up yours and keep counting. There’s no room for you all next year and for the years to come.Just change nickname by the summer you scambags. Bargnani will be there cos he is legit.Point.

    Aka they will make as many W as last year despite your ‘scream of Monk’. Aka

    • Destro

      When this team is winning Bargnani wont be here…Cant wait.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        LOL Wake up. Nba is not for you really. Just keep playing with your ping pong balls and posting your CV for the Raptors GM position. See you next December

        • Destro

          another year and no all star game :)

           

          • CJT

            You know, I find it interesting that you are on here all the time proclaming to be a real fan etc. and you put a smiley face of the statement about the Raptors not being represented at the all-star game.  Is that something that a fan of a the team does?  Even if you are trying to prove some sort of backwards point, you would think a fan of the team wouldn’t be smiling over that. 

            • Destro

              You’re quite the smartass for someone who misreads so many posts…Who cares about a smiley face…you’re filing emos now ? smh

              POint of my post was to combat the bargnani stan above me with some truth to put out the stanning flames infecting this board….Like i have said fan of the team cuz its where im from but not a fan of alot of the personnel or mgmt in place right now…Im an unbiaed fan,im not calling pisswater lemonade…

              LIke i said in a post at the bottom of this page,i have no problem with AB for what he is,my issue is Rap fans that lpay that agenda laced game to make him out to be more than what he is….

              He’s a 20/5 guy who doesnt rebound or play much defense id like to see from my centre…im ok with the fact he’s a perimeter scorer whos kinda average in terms of efficiency…If any of that improves that would benefit the team esp the D and rebs…as is now it gets blown out of proportion when you consider its a lottery team….IM here to combat the foolishness the non basket ball pro bargnani agenda posters tend to project….

              Difference with me is,i actually dont have an agenda because i dont think DeRozan is a lead player either,i have shitted on him alot this season for being tentative and a wimp…So the DD vs barg is perpetrated by the other side to deflect the real arguments and fan the flames of those agendas they like to perpetuate on here…..

              I call a spade a spade regardless the player on this team….  

              • Raps4Ever

                Your ego is only exceeded by your sense of importance to this board.

                You’re “here to combat the foolishness the non basket ball pro bargnani agenda posters tend to project”. I’d like to laugh knowing you’re kidding, but I’ve seen enough to know you actually take yourself seriously as some standard bearer to combat all that is good against those damn positive fans infecting this place. Oh well, I just gotta laugh that someone who “combats” this scourge as fervently as you do, actually thinks he’s doing a favour to the world.

                Aside from your false sense of importance, I don’t know what went on here past seasons, but my observation here this season is that the vast majority of AB support comes from fans that aren’t blind at all, and are open to discuss his weaknesses in a reasonable discussion. Oh, there’s the odd over the top “support” post, but the vast majority of AB positive posts are trying to “combat” the likes of posters that either incessantly try to “educate” the poor positive masses to the value of misery, like you, or baiting trolls.

                GTF over yourself, man. It’s sport, it’s fandom. There no need to incessantly “combat” fans being positive and or optimistic.

                • Destro

                  Wrong my dude and ill be here too combat these demonic forces trying to neutralize constructive building….

              • CJT

                I get the feeling that the agenda is just as strong on your side of the arguement.  I do believe that everyone has a right to his/her opinion even if I don’t agree, and I also respect the right of those people to call me out on my errors etc. but you have a strong tendancy to contradict yourself from one post to the next depending on the player you are talking about.  I am under no illusions that AB is going to be an average defender at best, an average rebounder at best etc.  I get very frustrated watching his low effort games like every other supporter of the team does.  But I also recognize other efforts that he makes like boxing out strong rebounders to allow other teammates to get rebounds.  I don’t think many of you anti AB crew give him any credit for other things he does. 

                • Destro

                  Dogg you know thats not true…he gets credit when he scores in losses,he gets credit when he doesnt rebound,he gets credit when his defense directly costs us games…The blame is deflected onto other players who dont play his minutes and other players who they dont consider our best player…emphasis should be right on him….This crew are bargs fans not raptor fans….

                • CJT

                  My point is not that AB fans give him credit, but rather the AB fans don’t give him any credit.  I think that the AB fans often overlook the bad, but you overlook the good.

      • Cred

        Hopefully you won’t be here either.

        • Destro

          Doesnt matter whos here or not,as long as bargs isnt here we’ll be a winning team with heart,whoever is here will be a better poster by association….even you :) 

    • Nilanka15

      Ironic that you call out the “trolls” by trolling…

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        No Ironic that you don’t get it. aka never. Roll Call by the Clown is coming ?

        • Derozan

           A premature baby has a higher IQ than you. Shut up and go back to your hole

    • Trent

      I can see Bargs gave you some ammo…Rap4ever tell him not to use them all up.

    • DC

      Ab sucks stop being a AB dickrider. 35 mins 5 boards. Gary Forbes 19 mins 10 boards. See a problem there?

      • CJT

        All I see is AB boxing out his man and scoring points.

        • Destro

          So you missed when a rookie (Faried) at about the 4 minute mark of the 2nd QTR…pushed him right out from underneath the basket and took the ball from him and went up and dunked in his face while he stood there ? 

          • CJT

            That’s one example, there were lots of other examples of him keep people off the boards.

  • Truthkiller

    GARY FUCKING Forbes had himself another solid night, 11 pts & 11 boards.

    • Destro

      Foreal Forbes has been great,making timely baskets and showing our frontcourt how to grab rebounds…I hope he can teach AB how you get those rebounds… 

      • Vino

         and DD by the way

  • c_bcm

    I’d like to see what ED becomes in this league. Amir has been in the league for what, 5 seasons? He is what he is. If those 2 players are that close in statistics, I keep the guy who hasn’t peaked yet. Plus I love the attitude that ED brings to this team. He could be the intensity tone-setter (a’la KG-lite) for this team in the future.

  • Brian Gerstein

    I am totally not torn at all and am in full tank mode, which I have been since pre-season started, when Colangelo himself outlined his plans for this year, which were obviously based upon garnering a top draft pick with his personnel and a lot of luck, as unfortunately, this is looking like it is going to be.

    As far as I am concerned, we will forget come next year a hard fought win at home against Denver when we are already out of the playoffs.  This year has already been successful, as we have a coach that can take us to the next level and beyond and has the full respect of his team, who play hard for him more often that not, certainly more than they did under Triano, who they never respected as a Head Coach.

    I do not feel at all that I am selling out the Raptors, far from it.  There is a clear #1 pick who has the tools to help make us a potential championship team down the road, or at worst a threat to be one, and some other stud players in the Top 3 for sure, if not Top 5.  If we drop to #8 or lower, we will end up wasting a huge opportunity to increase our talent pool and culture with the right type of player.

    • Nilanka15

      +1

      It’s mind-boggling how so many fans don’t get it.

      • mountio

        agreed. “winning mentality” will come when we have better players. I dont give a shit about it for now. When I watch the games, of course part of me wants us to win … but trust me, all I will care about next year is whether we are picking 2nd or 6th, not about a hard fought win against Denver …

        • Nilanka15

          Bingo.

        • Nilanka15

          Picking 2nd or 6th has the potential to affect this team for many, many years to come.

          Beating Denver in March literally means nothing 24 hours later.

    • Darien

      Count me in. I pray for Washington, New Orleans, New Jersey, Cleveland, Charlotte and Detroit to win every night more than I hope the Raptors lose but keep the games close. Unfortunately, those teams are really, genuinely bad and upsets are few and far between (unless they play each other).

      Winning these games decreases our likelihood of winning it all.

  • Lorenzo

    So i guess we’re all in agreement that Matt and Leo (maybe Jack) have gots to go.

  • cesco

    Has anyone noticed that our record against the west , which has own us in the past , is 8-9 , 8 of the 9 loses were without our best player . It is not worth noticing by  people down south , like Sir Charles-the-expert  , who think that Kentucky would beat the Raps . 

    • Lorenzo

      “I’m glad Charles feels that way,” Casey said. “That’s why he’s commentating and not coaching.”

      My boy Casey.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        When you say “our best player” you should also add in brackets (not referring to ED) otherwise many fans won’t get it. 

        • cesco

           Everyone can say or think who our best player is , they are welcome to think it is someone else than the guy that made Noah quit two games ago , it would be interesting to know who that other player is .

          • Destro

            yea most guys are afraid of .423  .278 with 5.7

            *puts on extra layer*

            • Derozan

               your a dumbass please leave the country

              • Destro

                2 posts typing like a pimple faced flabby ass bitch….who wouldnt say shit offline..GOOD

          • Juicy

            Of course our best player wasn’t in there for those losses, the draft isn’t until June.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    Good W!

    Jose wins the ‘I am stuck on stupid’ badge for the day for not getting the fuck out of the way!!!lmfao

  • And1helicopter

    Can’t wait to get Bargnani out of here, he blows!!!

     Andrea Bargnani   16.2 PT   .353 of 14.7 FG   .901 of 5.4 FT   .259 of 3.6 3P   5.4/1.0 RB  1.9 AS   0.4 BL   0.6 ST   2.8 TO   1.7 PF   32.4 MN   15/15 GS   (last 15 games)

    Last 15 games, this is a joke, who cares how well he played the first 5 games when everyone still had jet-lag from the season starting so quickly… look at the big picture, he’s inefficient as hell EVERY SEASON… DONT BUY INTO THE COMMENTATORS HYPE, ALL THEY DO IS DEFEND AND HYPE HIM UP! Every game Leo says “when bargnani scores the team wins, really??! anyone can chuck up 15 shots a game and still attain for 16 points a game LOL, its not that difficult… given the right opportunity

    • Lisa

      Are you frigging kidding me! it is 13 games to be exact. Those 13 games were the BEST of his career and from coming off the INJURY, this was his best game BACK. Where have you been? I don’t think you paid attention to those games. You probably don’t remember when they played two back to backs, they broke two losing streaks they had against phoenix and the jazz….go on YouTube or some shit to find those games…he’s only chucking up 15 shots a game the last 8 or 9 games because he has to get his rhythm back that’s what shooters do, they shoot themselves out of their slump… jeez 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hectar-Santiago/560791846 Hectar Santiago

        get a clue.. this is just the last 15 games, he’s done this his entire career, especially more so last year and this year when bosh left, last year he averaged 18 FGA/G. Typical Raptor homer fan

        • Lisa

          the fact that hes improving doesn’t get into any of the AB haters heads. haters gonna hate.

          • pran

            Lisa you are a stupid fuck, there are no haters (except for gots2go!!!), the rest of us are pro-raptor and we do what is best for the team. We have to question whether he can regain his pre-injury form b/c we are trying to build a succesful core so we can compete for a championship.   

            if you like bargnani so much go suck his dick, don’t let it blind you to the fact he has some flaws in his game.   

            Just for the record, I am for bargnani staying on this team, and believe he can be a solid 2nd scoring option, so long as he improves his stamina so he isn’t always out of breath, and brings more energy on the defensive end similar to what we saw at the beginning of the season, and he continues to be aggressive and draws fouls.   

            *unless of course we have the ability to draft anthony davis, and then I would of course trade him for talent because I am interested in making the TEAM better.

            • never sunny in t.o.

              what an ignorant piece of shit you are. 

            • Lisa

              funny how you would use obscenities to try to make yourself feel better and dont you EVER call me a stupid fuck. i wouldn’t stoop to your level because i am a lady. i don’t think you read the fucking comment though it said ‘improve’ improve meaning making something better. i am all for the team getting better, i know he has flaws and i know alot of people don’t like him because he does alot of things an avg 7 footer would. why would he regress from being the 1st option to 2nd option? so he could be second to a rookie…. don’t think so.

              • Truthkiller

                Anyone who watches the Raptors from a “rational” perspective knows that Bargnani is at best a 2nd option on a team. 1st options on a team affect the game more than just scoring,  check Kevin Love. An average 7 footer ala Dirk Nowitzki grabs 8+ rebounds a game, i’m just sayin’. 

              • pran

                you’ve turned the blinders on once again you whore, I think bargnani is a second scoring option because he struggles to create his own shot, he is much more effective in the pick and pop.   

                There are players in this draft that have the talent to create there own shot off the dribble and that’s who I would prefer in isolation situations at the end of the game. 

                • Nilanka15

                  Easy dude, relax.  You can get your point across without the sexist name calling.  This is the 21st century.

                • Gman

                  Two things, how many seven footers can create their shot in the way Bargnani can?  If you think there a dime a dozen then you’re an idiot…

                  Also, if I was ever anywhere near you and I heard you call a woman a name like that in public I would snap your fucking spine…you ignorant piece of shit.

                  Excise those demons before they come back and destroy you…seriously.

                • pran

                  usually I don’t respond to idiots…. first off there is no question bargnani is one of the most offensively talented 7 ft players, that doesn’t for a second mean he deserves the ball in end game situations, I’ve seen demar make more off-balanced shots than bargnani (don’t take that to mean I want derozan taking the last shot, I don’t even want him starting next year)  

                  secondly, it’s okay for your out of shape ass to talk shit online,but I’ve been heavily involved in muay thai and kickboxing for the last 3 years, and if it came to it I would definitely kick your ass! calm down internet tough guy.

                • Destro

                  If its so much of an advantage then why is he never recognized as an all star ? The other centers who apparently cant create there shot off are playing in all star games and playoff games….and defending women online you’ll never meet is always a laughable capt save em offense lol…

                • Lisa

                  a whore? now im pissed off. you dont know me you are just a stupid fuck hiding behind a computer with your comments. now i would call your mother one but i dont know her. so reply to a comment without insults, you should try it sometime

                • Pran

                  your a whore, slut, bimbo, slew, BJ ready.

                • CJT

                  Be calm Lisa, don’t get all worked up by this guy.  It’s not worth it.  There all lots of fans that appreciate your optimism and positive outlook.  He is looking for attention and can’t get any in real life so he trolls on here. 

      • Destro

        So Lisa fair to say you think 13 games >>> 5 seasons of work ?
        Ppl that harp on the ’13 games’ show they have nothing more than a fanboy agenda to grind on here…and im sorry best of his career doesnt mean alot when his career has been underwhelming…Phoenix and Utah are some lousy ass teams,no gains really made by beating crappy teams…cuz i could easily spin that into we lost twice to Charlotte and got kileld by +20 points MULTIPLE times with him IN the lineup….

        The facts really hurt i know….

        • Lisa

          no they don’t so don’t feel so good about yourself…the fact that he has improved should be enough to warrant some praise but everybody who doesn’t like bargnani would always bring up the past 5 years. we all know that those 5 seasons were nothing to be really proud of but he has improved. always coming on here to give a negative vibe be positive for once!

        • cesco

          The facts about the games with the west .
          They won 8 games and lost 9 . They won 5 games with Andrea and 3 games without him ( all three against bottom teams , Houston , GSW and NOH whereas the 5 games they won with him were against teams placed higher in the standings ; Denver , Memphis ,  Utah , Phoenix and Minny ). Of the 9 games they lost , two were with Andrea , Dallas on Dec 30 and Sacramento on Jan 11 when he got his first injury and left with 10 points , 10 rebounds  .
          About the games lost by high scores :
          The only games they lost by 20 points or more with Andrea playing was against Philadelphia ( 62-97 ) , also 3 games were lost by 15-19 points ( Orlando , NY and Washington ) .

          But if a team loses badly , is that the fault of one player ? Oh yes , Andrea the magician should have scored 30 points in those games to keep it close a la Bosh .

        • Gman

          He’s still the best player on the team and yet your fixation on him borders on the psychotic.

          • Destro

            yea and Mike James was the best player on a crummy team here once…..argument L

            • CJT

              Mike James was never considered the best player by anyone, anywhere on any team. 

    • Destro

      and barg stans on here lie that Noah quit on defending him and purposely got himself ejected rather than play against him….trust me young padwon these imperial AB fanboy stormtroopers are here to stay,just remember the truth can have a positive influence over the weak minded…

      • CJT

        Next time you make it out of you Mom’s basement, try taking off your lifesized darth vader outfit long enough to get some oxygen to that pea sized brain of yours.

        • Destro

          Error 404
          humour not found…

          • CJT

            Like your testicles.

            • Destro

              why you thinking about my testicles ?

              smh

    • FR0G

      Bargnani fucking sucks kids 

      • never sunny in t.o.

        another brain-dead asshole. 

  • Joeymoose2006

    Bargnan sucks

    • never sunny in t.o.

      what the fuck has happened to this site? has it been overrun by nets fans? leaf fans? wtf? 

      • Gerry

        It’s been overrun by arrogant, know-it-all, condescending douche-bags that like to call themselves Raptors fans, when in reality, they’re no more than mac-and-cheese-eating, pimply faced, loner adolescents. It’s almost as if Gots2Go has multiplied into a bunch of different personas, only these personas emit twice the douchebaggery. They’re only here to disrupt any intellectual conversation from going on.

      • Lorenzo

        I know man, there’s more haters here than actual fans that support the movement. The comment section is filled with trolls that repeat the same shit everyday regarding their hate of certain players.

        But when you’re a 34-year old living in your mother’s basement you’ve got to vent your frustration somewhere.

        • Gman

          They reply with the same shit because a lot of them are the same guy with different log in names…

          You can tell because the tone and the temperament are identical.

          • CJT

            not to mention the spelling and lack of punctuation.

  • Statement

    Who’s for starting Gary Forbes over Derozan, if we don’t get an upgrade at SG?

    He has more range, is a better rebounder, can’t be a worse defender and is a better ball handler.

    Also, I would keep Amir, because I think that Ed’s offensive upside is Amir.

    • Nilanka15

      Based on merit, I completely agree.

      The only thing DeRozan did better than Forbes was get drafted higher…

      • Destro

        merit ? lol dogg do you ever type anything that is logical ?
        So a couple games merits him taking dudes position…

        Stupidest post of the day award…

        • never sunny in t.o.

          and you mr. destro/gots2go (everybody knows it’s you and only you) … gfy for all your stupid shit. 

        • Nilanka15

          “DeRozan can dunk when nobody else is in the gym!!!  Put him in the hall of fame!!!  He’s the greatest athlete of all time!!!

          Sincerely,

          Destro”

          • Destro

            “hand eye co-ordination is a form of athleticism”

            Nothing else needs to be said about you…

            • CJT

              have you ever seen someone without eye hand coordination play sports?  It’s a pretty key component.

              • Destro

                Its not athleticism dogg,stay on topic….

                • CJT

                  Like I said, it’s a key component.

      • CJT

        I would argue that DD has been pretty relentless attacking the rim since the allstar break, in way that GF has not.  GF has given us awesome minutes though, not meant to be an anit GF comment.

    • Juicy

      How about Gary Forbes at SG, and Derozan over to SF?

      • Statement

        I personally prefer Derozan at SG, but on the bench or preferrably off the team.

    • sleepz

      Don’t think I can take it that far and Colangelo wouldn’t allow that to happen, however I do think this summer we will see another player at the SG spot challenging him for minutes. What would that say for Demar being a lottery pick and Forbes couldn’t even get off the pine in Denver, and is better than him? That would be a statement against not only Demar but the GM and his ability to assess talent.

      I think Demar would be better at the 3 but with Johnson showing improvment Demar might have to come to camp next year and truly prove he belongs as the starter at the 2.

      Hopefully next year there will be no guaranteed starters at any position. Come training camp the minutes should be opened up and players that are the best talents at their respective positions should earn their minutes before the season begins.

      • Trent

        yes coach

      • Nilanka15

        So you agree that the decision to start DeRozan isn’t based on on-court abilities, but instead is based on politics.

        Destro, take note.

        • Destro

          Hows my ass taste ? Cuz in every post of urs now you seem to be looking to put ur nose up in it…
          The premise of this question is for bums like you to debate,not me…Anybody with any pedigree knows a couple of games is too soon to make that decision…

          Then again yall are the same posters saying Kleiza should start and could be an all star here lolol…

        • Destro

          You again show you have no idea what you’re talking about…you think Forbes doesnt start over DeRozan is politics ? lol

          Forbes is NOT better than DeMar based on a 5 game sample,only a cot damn fool would suggest that….If he plays well over a season you have something to say…NOT based on a limited body of work…Demar while having a down season is still a proven 17-20 PPG scorer so Forbes would have to be at least that….

          heres the contradiction tho….Forbes is better than DD based on a few games when the season is long over but in a similarily sized sample of games Bargs is an all star and found his next gear..again bargs is afforded protection that no other player on this team gets and certainly not DeRozan….Yall can forget 5 seasons and prop up 13 games for 1 BUT BUT you will forget 2 seasons and prop up 20 or so games for the OTHER….smh.

          truth is there is no anti bargs here,im anti barg stans who lie about this team to prop up HIM and other players that suit there agenda…im fine with bargs as ,long as we truthfully say what he is and NOT pretend he’s more than that based on the evidence…

          Theres not really an anti bargs sentiment on this board for the most part,its bargs fanboys crying at the truth presented to them in the face of there exaggerated talking points…and included in that is degrading every other played on the team by these same fanboys to make those PRO AB arguments….

          yall are anti raptors MINUS Bargs…tryna spin it into anti bargs bullshit……TRU STORY.

  • Statement

    Free Gary Forbes!

  • Destro

    Whos this poster derozan displaying all this bitchassness..dude be making 18 posts and saying nothing about the game,team or sport…too many dudes here are some emotional sensitive bishes..keep it roundball and keep your faggotry online persona out of here…

  • HoodRat

    Yall be fools man and trippin on some real shit. Straight up, myboi DeMar is on some kobe shit, the dude be knockin jumpers left n right. Some of yall saying Forbes be better than him?? SMDH dawg. Yall see what myboi be made of dont let this season fool yall, yall gonna see the best and inner-kobe released. DeRozan be on that MJ type ish, yall see it tomorrow. Raps vs em dudes from Souff beach tomorrow? I be in that like swimwear. Real talk.

    • Nilanka15

      Sonny Weems, is that you?

  • cesco

    To the anti-Bargnani gang ; you will have to suck lemons for the next 5 years or so .

    • Destro

      No ones anti bargnani and we wont actually….I follow the NBA when bargs gets moved and this team begins competing again alot of the die hard fans will come back and go to the games again as well….IM living quite good in the meantime….

  • OTFP

    I love how dipsh*t Devlin read out the juno nominees and pronounced Feist as “feast”. 

    Duhhhhhh.