The Bobcats are an interesting team, and by interesting I mean shit. Years have passed and I’m still surprised that someone like Michael Jordan sits atop a franchise that is mired in said shit. A man synonymous with winning is the figurehead of a franchise that has seven wins. Seven. Two of those wins are against the Raptors, and if it weren’t for the Raps obliging, they’d actually be flirting with the .110 winning percentage of the 1973 Sixers who went 9-73.

It’s a home game for the Raptors who start a back-to-back and last played on Sunday; the Bobcats are rested (not that rest does them any good) as they last entertained the masses on Saturday in Detroit (they lost, obviously). The Raptors are on a bit of a hot streak having one 2 of 3 (heh), but rest assured that on any respectable sports show, the highlights of this game will be shown last, or perhaps not at all.

On the injury front, Bayless is out for the season and for shame too. The guy was finally playing like the Jarrett Jack of his generation, and his oblique gets all rippy on him. So, given what you’ve seen of him, what you say of the $4M qualifying offer? I say nay.

They tell me Andrea Bargnani’s been struggling since his return from injury. I hadn’t noticed because he looks like what Andrea Bargnani has always looked like: the most talented player on the roster, but unable to show it consistently. I was driving between now legalized brothels and happened to catch the Fan 590’s call-in show where some poor sap called in to question Colangelo and the “assets” he’s accumulated thus far in his long, long, long, Toronto career. Eric Smith and Paul Jones would have none of it, especially when the poor bastard brought up how Colangelo should’ve traded Bosh when he had the chance. The only way those two say anything negative about Colangelo is if he’s not here anymore, and the day he’s gone they’ll suck on the new GM’s tit and lament Colangelo for putting the franchise back a decade.

Operating on a two-year deal, he’s going to end this season with less than a .350 winning percentage, and a roster whose best asset is the coach he hired last summer. I’m not even sure what MLSE’s criteria for measuring his basketball-related performance is, but man, if any of us were held to similar standards in our 9-5 job, we would’ve been canned years back.

Back to the positives, though, and is Dwane Casey a coach of the year candidate? Of course not, but think about what he’s managed to achieve of this roster: he’s got them to play defense worthy of 16th in the league. We ran a poll before the season and the majority of the people expected an improvement in the 25-28 or 20-25 range, and yet here we are sitting 16th, with much of the same roster as last year. And the pace isn’t even insufferable at 22nd. I’m telling you, pound for pound, Casey has accomplished a helluva lot in one single season.

We get to see Kemba Walker again, and he along with Brandon Knight have had very expected seasons. Both had issues with their shooting coming into the draft, and Knight’s around the 40% mark, with Kemba at 37%. Maybe they’ll turn into starters one day and become cornerstones of their franchises, or maybe they won’t. Either way, as a fan of the Raptors, I can’t help but look at our dire point guard situation and see little in the way of hope. Who do the Raptors make a play for? Deron Williams is out, so who? Goran Dragic?

All I know that this team will never truly even enter rebuild mode until they sort out the point guard position. It’s what teams do. Golden State with Curry, OKC with Westbrook, Sacramento with Evans, Milwaukee with Jennings, Minnesota with Rubio…it sounds to me the natural position to address if you want to change the style, tempo, and direction of a team. No offense to Jose, but what is he still doing here?

Only thirteen games left till the Raptors go away for six long months, a summer where there’s as much work to be done as the one when Colangelo arrived and basically inherited this roster. I think we’re better off today, right?

Enjoy the game tonight.

  • Milesboyer

    One transcendent player, and by that I mean one player who transcends mediocrity, is all it takes to lift a team to the next level. He might show up next year or in a couple of years but he certainly isn’t on our current roster. Colangelo is doing the only thing he can right now and even that is only because Stefanski keeps him in check: fielding a mediocre to bad roster and accumulating draft picks. If it was really all about the long term goal then another year of tanking after this one, so that there was more of a chance of landing that “star” player, would be in the organizations best interest.  But of course there are a lot of other factors at play like selling a team to your fanbase, team confidence, BC’s impatience, etc.

  • CJT

    Couldn’t agree with you less.  Of the point gaurds you mention in your article only Westbrook has any chance of making noise in the playoffs and that is only because of Durant.  No one else has sniffed any real success and I would argue that Calderon has had significantly more career success than anyone on that list, if you include international competition, including games against the US.  As someone pointed out yesterday, there haven’t been any teams who won a Championship with an elite point guard in almost 2 decades.  I agree that we need more elite talent, but think it is more important to address other positions first.  It would be great to have a replacement for Jose as a back up who could be handed the team in a year or two and run with it.  But JC has shown that he is very capable of running a team.

    • Theswirsky

      agreed.

      having an ‘elite’ PG is not a necessity.  Having an ‘elite’ at any position isn’t a necessity.  But having an ‘elite’ at some position is.

      There may be more and more ‘elite’ PGs in the NBA than before, but we have yet to see any consistency between that and elite teams.

      OKC – Durant/Westbrook
      Miami – Lebron/Wade/Bosh
      Orlando – Dwight
      LA – Kobe/Pau
      Clippers – Paul/Blake
      Chicago – Rose/Deng
      SA – Duncan/Ginobili/Parker
      Boston – Rondo/Allen/Pierce/KG

      Those are the all-stars/superstars on the best teams in each conference (most probable contenders).  Yet we don’t see a universal PG.  What we do see is universal elite talent (and by all means the definition of elite is debatable).

      The Raps don’t need to sort out the PG position, they need to sort out every (or any) position.

      Every player should be used to obtain the opportunities to elite talent.

      • cesco

         The only elite talent the Raps will get is thru the draft and for that luck has to be on your side . If luck is on our side in this draft ( a player who can be an all-star , not necessarily a superstar ) then we will go far in the playoffs in a couple of years otherwise the rebuild will continue in spite of what BC/DC are saying .

        • Theswirsky

          I agree that the only elite talent the Raps will get is through the draft, but I don’t think that its just luck to get that elite talent (although some element of luck is a necessity).

          But even if we call the draft luck, the Raps can try to increase their opportunity to be lucky by trying to collect draft picks.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        Shit and chocolate. Same colour different taste. bosh elite player. In your wet dreams

      • Colef

        of those 8 teams, 5 of them have elite point guards…Obviously it’s imperative to have significant talent at the other positions, but starting off with an all star guard has to help. I agree that our goal at this point should be acquiring a point guard before all else. 
        In my opinion, we should grab a mid first rounder and take Kendall Marshall. High hopes for that man. 

    • Destro

      Outside of a silver medal which really is irrelevant to this since were talking NBA success what has he accomplished that has you impressed ? Every one of those guards mentioned is better than him and has more upside….Calderon is capable of being a starter for a losing team,thats his ceiling…When do folks realize you never get better as a team unless you stop accepting mediocrity and realize what you have really isnt that good…I will argue this tooth and nail..dude has no pedigree in this league,he has no accolades,no awards nothing to suggest he’s top half in the league…

      He’s a bottom 3rd point guard that can run a shitty Offense,he gives you what defenses allow him to do and his D is putrid….and i debate this notion that he runs an offense…to me hes never ran an offense,he is the starting PG on this team who handles the ball..as sloppy and disorganized as this offense is,i dont consider a couple oop passes to Amir or DeMar running an offense….A guard with his limited abilities in handling the ball and breaking down defenses cannot truly run an offense they can only be a part of an offense….

      Dribbling the ball into full court slow as fukk and being afraid to run a fast break,dirbbling out a shot clock waiting for a shooter to come open on the wings or dumping a pass inside  or playing a simple high 2 man game with AB is not running an offense….

      • CJT

        and how many world championship titles?  Just because your definition of a pedigree is NBA, doesn’t mean that everyone’s is.  And Jose can distribute the ball period.  He is never going to be a game changer in the way that Rose is, but he has the same number of NBA titles that Rose does so far and a hell of a lot more international success.  He is not the first priority on the team, there are other positions that are more pressing to get sorted out.

        • Destro

          As Raptor fans we care about NBA success regarding players not what he does for Spain….Rose has MVPs,ASGs,All team NBAs,and a gold medal…and no bro Jose does not have more intl success..’08 Gold > his combined package..
          I think theres a few pressing needs but i def think removing Calderon and getting a top flight or at least competent lead PG should be no less than priority #2
          It gets swept under the rug so easily but Calderons deficiencies on the defensive end are and have been a major cancer on this team and there ability to get better at that end of the floor….

          You flip jose into an athletic PG who can defend on ball and penetrate and dish and the difference would be night and day…
           

          • Raps4Ever

            So you say the team has not gotten better at the defensive end this year? Must be because the “cancer” is playing more minutes than ever, eh.

            • Destro

              Wack post and you dont realize you contradicted ur point cuz i dont think they are better and if YOU want to toss Jose in that fire and his extra mins,i’ll close the door and turn up the burners….

              D sucks and related to his increased workrate *FILED*

              • Raps4Ever

                doh

          • YONAS

            speak the word! AMEN

    • j bean

      In his NBA career Jose has shown he is capable of running a team at a mediocre level. He is extremely  predictable at both ends of the court and good opposing teams exploit his weaknesses with ease.   

      • CJT

        if by predictable you mean consistently in the top of the league in assists, assist to turnover, high shooting percentage etc.  Ya, he’s predictable. 

        • j bean

          The stats you are pointing to, in seven years have never raised the level of play of the team. He does not make those around him better as the winning % stays around the same when he’s out. Watch how he deals with penetration and you will notice that even with the help of Casey he is passive defensively. If you like watching his exciting pick and roll action over and over then I guess he’s the man for you.
            

          • Destro

            and to add to this i think its myth that he runs a team well.I would argue he actually doesnt run a team and doesnt know how to make adjustments IN game…if he did you would see him set up half court sets and run breaks based on situations and players on the floor..BUT i constantly see him kill easy buckets and fast break opportunities by pulling up and letting the D set up…I think his decision making alot of times is directly responsible for the offense being so slow,sloppy and the ball literally stopping….

            and like you said he doesnt affect games,he cant take games over,he doesnt create UNLESS the D gives him lanes to the basket and you cant argue with the fact his record as a starter here is terrible.Even when they had players here he’s been the PG on losing teams,thats not a coincidence….

        • Destro

          Assists is an overrated NBA stat do you not agree ? I dont understand why raptor fans put such an emphasis on AST to TO ratio,nobody else does…you dont judge the elite PGs in the league by that stat cuz its understood you handle the ball majority of the game,if you’re making plays with it you’re going to turn it over as long as you give your team offense and playmaking its quite irrelvant as an indicator of anything….Its just funny to read,cuz no other base puts such an emphasis on that stat but raptor fans trying to make a case for Jose’s value….The obvious argument to that is its actually a useless way to gage his value because he gives you 8-10 points a night and gives up so much on the other end….He really needs to score 20-25 a night to offse what he gives up on most nights….

          • CJT

            The stat measures the number of times you create a scoring play to the number of times you turn it over.  Again it may not mean much to you, but to me my point gaurd is very good at creating scoring plays and not turning the ball over which is MORE important because he has the ball in his hands the majority of the time.  I am all for getting D Rose on the team btw, but that doesn’t look too promising at this point.  My point is that there are bigger areas of concern at this moment than PG and if we can also find a good young guard, great.  But a great 3 or 5 is more important in my books.  Championships have been won for the last 20 years on the backs of average point guards and elite talent at other positions.

          • CJT

            Also D. Roses, highest turnovers in the playoffs cost the bulls a chance at the finals last year. As he repeatedly coughed up the ball trying to create his own shot.  I don’t over value the stat, but do prefer a PG who can create scoring opportunities for his team.  You are right about his scoring though, but I also believe that with better help defense his lack of lateral quicks isn’t as damaging.  This year is proof of that as the team has risen significantly in defensive rating.  I think it’s important to note that PG’s blow by other point guards regularily.  Not to say that Jose is as quick as other guards, becuase he is simply not, but D Rose blows by everyone, that is why he is so valuable.

  • Nilanka15

    Definitely pass on Bayless

  • Statement

    Calderon = Stay
    Amir = Stay
    Davis = Stay

    The rest = Go.

    • Statement

      Oh and James Johnson = Stay.

    • Nilanka15

      I’m starting to lose faith in Davis.  I just don’t see the potential upside that everyone eludes to.  It’s starting to look like his ceiling is Amir, which isn’t saying much.

      • Destro

        He had about a dozen consecutive double doubles back end of last season….He’s better than Amir…He needs minutes…He’s getting 10-15 mins a night,what are you expecting him to do with that ?

        • Nilanka15

          He rebounds well, but that’s about it. 

          • sleepz

            Gotta agree somewhat (lack of minuntes) as I am sure this season was considered a slap in the face to him as he was expecting a much larger role this year. Its tough as a younger player on a poor team when you know you are only going to get 10-15 minutes a night but probably feels he should be playing more.

            Hopefully come training camp next year minutes are earned in the pre-season and nothing is given to any player.

            • Raps4Ever

              lol, 10-15 minutes. It’s funny how someone throws out an inaccurate stat and it perpetuates itself in places like this. I wonder how many minds that “stat” will be cemented in and used for future posts.

              • Destro

                Typical RR reply :

                Disregard the point
                and dissect and split heirs over a non point (5-7 mins)
                smh

                • Raps4Ever

                  Kid, you’re the one who made it a point to cite a minutes played range that is 32% to 55% off, but now try and say it’s a non point? Fn laughable. Tell me, if I used the same standard and said AB’s usual rebounds this year were 7.5-9, would you consider that a non point for discussion? lol

                • Destro

                  Again yrou going off point to make a non point..his mins are down,numbers as a result,he was  a dbl dbl player when he played last year GO CRY about it…

                • Destro

                  Every AB argument beginsd with WHAT IF AB did this or that wHAT IF AB rebounded like a man,they are never centred on what IS…ED DID rebound given the adequate playing time and mins.Bargs never HAS….NOOOOOOPE

              • sleepz

                You are right. He is averaging 22 minutes a night, however this is down from his last year as a rookie. I’m sure he thought his minutes played would increase based on his performance last year.

                • Raps4Ever

                  There are 13 games left this year. If you take his games up to 11 games left last year, his avg. minutes are identical.

                  The real question is, regardless of what he thought he was entitled to, did he earn more minutes this year? Based on his performance this year, most, including myself and his coach, would say no.

                • sleepz

                  Did any player on this roster truly earn their minutes?

            • Destro

              Exactly GIVEN…thats where the accountability thing comes in again and again….
              The guy beasted second half of last season…how you go from that to giving him table scraps on a bum team…thats not how you develop ur players…

          • Destro

            Nah he defends too…he actually to protect the rim and make plays on the ball unlike another un-named PF/C

            • Raps4Ever

              lmfao,,, in your infinite wisdom, you think EDs a good defender at this stage? lol, you have a lot of nerve thinking you can educate anybody on here.

              • Destro

                Do you read the posts ? He tries on defense,he attempts to block shots and make plays at the basket while OTHERS here are given a pass for standing arround and throwing there set in the air and wavin around like they just dont care…

                • Raps4Ever

                  Hey, there are good reasons to be not too judgmental about ED this year, but don’t keep making a bigger fool of yourself by patting him on the back for his defensive prowess. Never mind to I read posts, do you watch games and have any real knowledge of the game?

                • Destro

                  Dogg why bother ? Seriously your not even readinf the posts and typing shit to things NOT said here…i said he tries,gives an effort you fckn bum…As always bishes like you tryna come in here and place accolades n shit not given into the argument….

        • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

          He is getting 10-15min a night, so it makes 12.5 min average. If you just take your time and check any Ed Davis stat as you do with others… you could notice he is actually playing 22 min per match. He has regressed in scoring – rebounding and fg%. He needs minutes  to become the next Tim Duncan but AB is stealing his minutes.
          Why you don’t go with yours mates (CLOWNS) to a Raptors practice and ask Casey about it.

          • Destro

            Your microanalyzing a non point dickhead….15 mins – 22 mins is the same range,its NOT enough…He was getting 10/10 a night second half of last year…thats the evidence,his mins have been scaled down…hence numbers down…AB is stealing his minutes like Reggie Evans was stealing Andrea’s rebounds… 

            • Destro

              That being said he still outrebounds AB in half the minutes LOL.

              Ether…

            • Raps4Ever

              Are you on a morning drunk or are your true dumb colours just showing through while getting tired yourself of the usual repetitive blarney?

              • Destro

                hows my ass taste…

                • Raps4Ever

                  You tell me once you get your head out of it.

                • Destro

                  Exactly muthafucker another type soft reply…set your clock by your lame ass shit…

      • Statement

        I agree with you that his offensive ceiling is Amir (posted that same thing a couple of days ago), but Tom’s stats post from the other day showed that he is a better defender than Amir.  So perhaps he is equal to Amir

        So I’ll amend to:

        Calderon = Stay
        Amir/Ed = Stay
        James Johnson = Stay

        The rest = go.

  • Ppellico

    theswirsky…

    how long does it take to develop an elite player?
    I remember it has taken a LONG time for Deng. I remember the calls for him to be traded. I remember the seasons of soft play and inguries that kept him out…we called him soft.
    I do believe he had 3 seasons withing his first 4 that were ingury prone and kept him from being effective.
    And he is what, in his 7th or 8th year now?

    And as far as Jordan…this is a really good example of players speaking out about their GMs when they themselves have NO CLUE as to how to even teach their own teammates how to play.
    Jordan and Pippen openly bashed Krause in the media…and here he sits with crap all over his face trying to do the thing he said he could do.

    Like playing baseball..? How about that Michael? Another good plan.Coaching and being a GM is as much a skill as being a superstar player. Its instinctive…its intuative.

    Just as great players cannot explain how they do what they do…great coaches and teachers have skills they can’t explain as well…they just have the ability.

    • Theswirsky

      how long does it take to develop an elite player?  Different for everyone, but usually you discover them in short order.

      Deng I just included as an all-star, not necessarily an elite player (I mentioned that how one wants to define elite is debatable).

      But even if we call him elite for sake of argument, every other player on that list was discovered to be elite within a few years of being drafted.  So I’d say the vast majority of time it doesn’t take long at all to discover if a player is elite or not

      • Raps4Ever

        lmfao,,, got caught listing someone that doesn’t fit the usual script. Chuckle of the day!

        Another note regarding another script about how 1 “elite” talent suddenly raises a team to new heights: in Pierce’s first 9 years, the Celtics only even had a winning record for 3 of those, including a record of 24-58 the year before he inherited the other 3 “elite” talents. For 9 years, how much good did having that 1 elite talent do for the Celtics? Point is, you need a “team” and selling the farm for 1 talent (“Every player should be used to obtain the opportunities to elite talent.”) is not a winning formula the vast majority of the time, to say nothing of what elite talent do you think is attainable in exchange for “every player”.

        • Destro

          Nah you can have a few elite players or an elite player sprinkled with some decent talent,before the arrival of Shuttlesworth and KG they had neither…..You dont need a complete team in the sense you’re trying to argue…For the 1 example your using (and its a bad one) i could name many examples of ‘ship team.finalists and other 40-50 win teams that won on the back of 1 star player….

          • Destro

            2001 Sixers (AI)
            2002 Magic (T-Mac)
            2005 Lakers (Kobe)
            2001 Raps (Vince)

            to name a few

            • Raps4Ever

              LOL, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper today. What did the Raps accomplish with VC? What did the Magic accomplish with T-Mac? What did even the Lakers accomplish with Kobe, but without either Shaq or Pau?

              • Destro

                They were winnign teams that made the playoffs,my point was to show you can make the playoffs win 50 games with 1 star player….Kobe winnin with Kwame and Smush is further testament to my point….Now ur sitting over looking DUMB as shit cuz you didnt get it…

                • Raps4Ever

                  You thinking making the playoffs and being 1st round fodder is “winning’? Thankfully, that’s not the current target of the Raps.

                • Destro

                  Making the playoffs and winnig 45-50 games is much different than winning 24 games which was the argument….

                • Lance

                  You got owned badly buddy, damn.

              • Destro

                KObe took a D league squad of talent to the playoffs and within 1 lucky Tim Thomas shot away of beating the 2nd best team in the West in 06 cementing his importance and MVP status….*cues YALL MUSTA FORGOT bassline*

                • Raps4Ever

                  Kobe was/is incredible, like nobody the Raps have ever had, but the point is you need more than 1 elite player to accomplish anything worth shouting about.

                • Destro

                  No faggot my point was PP in Boston on a 24 win team is more than an anamoly and i cited multiple exaples now hop off Timmy

        • Theswirsky

          while I will break my rule this one time and respond to your nonesense, I clearly stated in the post Ppellico was responding to that those were “allstars/superstars” and the definiton of elite is debatable.

          Never did I say Deng was ‘elite’.  So no I listed nothing wrong, some just misinterpreted it(whether by accident – Ppellico, or on purpose – you)

          • Raps4Ever

            I’d like to say nice try, but too lame for even that. I won’t get into another of your petty word play battles, but anybody with half a brain can see the pathetic attempt at recovery.

    • Nilanka15

      I wouldn’t consider Deng to be “elite”. 

      LeBron is an elite SF.

      Durant is an elite SF.

      Pierce is an elite SF.

      Deng is a pretty good SF.

  • Angryrapsfan

    ” I was driving between now legalized brothels…” Classic Arsenalist haha love your posts

  • Copywryter

    Screw this Raptors stuff, the important news of the day is that Anthony Davis looks like the snake from Beetlejuice. (Copyright violation and photoshop genius by me)

    • Nilanka15

      Bahahaaaaaa!  Funncy cuz it’s true…

      • CJT

        I haven’t seen a bunch of Anthony Davis over the course of the season, can he score at all?  He looked absolutely brutal last night on the offensive end.  Unreal on defense though, but didn’t look like he had any real offensive abilities.  As I said I haven’t seen much of his game.

        • Nilanka15

          I’ve only seen a handful of games myself, but he does have a mid range jumper, and an array of jump-hooks in close.  Offense isn’t his strength, but he’s much further along that either Amir or Ed Davis. 

          If we’re lucky enough to land the 1st pick, I don’t think there’s cause for concern over his offense. 

          • mountio

            Agreed. Notwithstanding his offensive perforamnce last night (which was not good at all) – hes a pretty decent offensive player. As you mention – light years ahead of Ed and Amir.
            Decent jumper, solid footwork, ok jump hooks (with both hands) and can catch the lob. For a guy his age, that grew 8 inches 2 yeras ago – thats not bad.
            And – his defense speaks for itself. Man .. am I praying we win this ping pong ball lottery …

            • Brian B

               If Withey can frustrate his jumper, so will many NBA defenders. Even with the lack of length these days, he’ll have a rougher time in the pros. maybe he’ll spend time with Clifford Ray, or Ewing, or McAdoo, or Hakeem, but he’s far from a sure thing to be a superstar. It’s the halo effect – because he seems to be the best (in a weak but deep draft), everybody overlooks his flaws, thus over rating him.

              • Nilanka15

                Every rookie in every draft class come with flaws (LeBron couldn’t shoot, Duncan lacked explosiveness, Howard was all defense).

                But flaws are usually masked, or eliminated altogether when players gain experience, and continue to work on their game. 

                In Davis’ case, there’s no reason to assume he won’t get stronger over the years.  And with that, his offensive arsenal should expand too.

                • sleepz

                  Agreed. He looks like he can put on weight, his body has grown too quickly.

                  Btw, anyone watching that game last night should wonder how MKG will thrive in a half court game? I know he took a big fall in the 1st half but in crunch time (last 10 minutes) not 1 iso-play run for him at all, only Davis, Lamb, Jones and Teague

            • Lorenzo

               PLEASE GOD!

        • voy

          AD and JV would be an unreal combination.  Those guys going after it on the offensive boards would be such a beautiful thing to watch. 

          • CJT

            Thanks Boys, I have learned not to judge based on one performance, he just looked so raw last night.  Unreal on D though. Damn.

          • Truthkiller

            If we land the #1 pick I don’t want to hear from BC how/why Bargnani will stay. He better be gone before draft night. 

            • Lorenzo

               I was thinking trading Bargnani for a nice wing player. The ideal outcome would have to be Eric Gordon, but will it happen? Probably not. Hell, i’d even be okay with Ray Allen.

          • Lorenzo

            Oh man I’m drooling. Just think of the interior defense… NOBODY WOULD EVER SCORE IN THE PAINT.

            • Truthkiller

              Our frontcourt would be as intimidating as the one in Boston the year they won it all in 2008. 

  • bf

    What if we did something like jared dudley and the suns pick for bargnani with some scrubs thrown in on both sides to even out salaries. With the pick we could grab kendall marshall who could very well be the second coming of jose calderon if he develops a jumper and jared dudley brings solid defense, rebounding and 3pt shooting to the 3. Plus we get rid of the one dimensional Andrea bargnani.

    • CJT

      How’s the view from your own ass?

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      Send your CV to the Raptors I believe you have a future as GM. Really

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    The Raptors defense hasn’t improved significantly it just that collectively offense on a whole is down around the NBA due in part to the shortened training camp & condensed schedule.

    Wait until next season to see a true reflection.

    As well the Raptors offense ranks in the bottom part of the League (91 ppg 5th from the bottom)- it seems to me that we have just went from an all offense to an all defense pr spin under BC just like his coaching change which was really a hiring of 3 coaches the retaining of 3 coaches while giving Jay promotion to front office as a nut hugger.

    13 games and alot of stuck on stupid AB fan boys were ready to give AB a pass on 5 years of lethargic bullchit play- reality check he had to come out hard to justify his transparent move to PF.

    Casey calling AB Dirk like- does he still think that?lmfao

    Casey I want 2 rebounds per Q from AB- AB (2011-12 5 rpg) fuck you Casey.

    AB, in his 6th NBA season, still looks like a lost child on team defensive particulars.

    The Toronto Raptors reflect the coddled AB perfectly- inconsistent & lethargic, time for both AB & Jose to go the fuck away & start a new TDot day!!

    To all of you folks that think Jonas and/or a high 2012 draft pick is going to save this sinking Raptors ship- wake the fuck up!!

    BC has fucked up Raptors basketball- point blank, his shit does stank!!

    • Nilanka15

      The Raptors defensive RANKING has improved.  That’s not a debatable point even if you consider league-wide decline in offensive numbers.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        No shit Sherlock but has their defensive play really improved when everything is taken into account during this lockout condensed season is the real question as numbers can be used to lie and/or mislead- Poli Science 101.

        AB is still half ass on defensive rotations & recognition while Jose is still letting opposing pgs get to the rim like fish swim.

        Is the Raptors defense really better or are NBA offenses really worse off this season- do the full math not the self serving half….

        • Nilanka15

          Do you not understand what “ranking” means?

          • voy

            its impossible to argue with any accuracy that their defense has not improved.  last year remember how many uncontested layups we’d give up?  it wouldn’t be an uncommon sight to see 10+ consecutive points given up all on layups, from the perimeter right down our throats to the bucket, while Jay was saving his timeouts.

            • Nilanka15

              Exactly.  Anyone who chooses to look would notice the startling difference between last year and this year.

              Sure, Bargnani, DeRozan, and Calderon are still sub-par defenders, but overall team defense has definitely improved (whether relying on stats or the “eye test”).

              • Destro

                lol @ eye test…yall do not watch the games….

            • Destro

              WTF are you talking about i see the same shit THIS year,do you watch the games ? They still give up mad layups uncontested,they still dont help,they still give up easy dribble penetration to the goal….Did you watch the Heat game ? muthafukk a PPG allowed,they give up the same easy shit they always have…..this argument is another myth that they are better defensively….Its the same personnel…smh 

        • Statement

          Hey man, I find your rhyming catch-phrases entertaining but Nilanka is right on this one.

      • Destro

        Dogg why do you always begin with “its not debateable”
        You type the most debateable things about this team and swear up and down its not debateable….smh

        • Nilanka15

          Because “rankings” are not opinions, they’re facts.  You can attempt to debate facts all you want, but you’d just be wasting your time.

          • voy

            if a guy isn’t willing to acknowledge that teams shooting .439 on us this year is a significant improvement over teams shooting .482 on us last year, what are you actually gonna say to convince him? 

            Its unbelievable, having lived through triano, that anyone cant admit Casey’s defensive system has improved the team definatively.

            But what are you gonna do? If a guy cant even recognize the team giving up more layups last year than this year, is there any point to further this conversation. 

            Actually, I’d like to see what numbers he has to support his argument.

            • Nilanka15

              “Yeah? ….well…but….ummm, the entire league is shooting poorly this year….ummm….yeah.”

              Somehow this benefits the Raptors more than any other team 😐

              • Lorenzo

                 LOL

      • CJT

        Too funny, I was just going to post the exact same reply to dickweed, but then read yours.  I suppose moving up HALF of the league statistically with the same basic line up isn’t really improved, because nobody had a long training camp.  :[?

    • Jay

      Why do you follow the Raptors?  the crap you spew everyday is just that…CRAP!
      Andrea was one of the top PF in the league during that 13 game run.  he got hurt and missed a month and half…20 something games…now we are playing for a lottery pick…why are you worried how he’s playing?  When next season starts and this team actually has training camp and pre-season to figure things out, this team will be a playoff team as is…add in TWO high draft picks and it will be a very fun team to watch.  

      Be a fan of another team if all your going to do is bitch and complain.  

      BC ruined what?  did he ruin the team that Babcock put together?  he has been the best GM this team has seen in 16 years.

      and no Grundwald was not the best…he lucked into Vince and TMac…then he gave ridiculous contracts to Hakeem, JYD, and Alvin Williams(hate to say it cause I loved that dude), and basically forced Vince out of the city….

      Please stop complaining….go watch the Leafs or something

      • Raps4Ever

        He’s already shown himself to be a p(h)uck head long ago.

      • Destro

        LMAO @ this whole post,so many quotables…

        lol @ best PF in a 13 game stretch HILARIOUS !
        Some fans no matter what BC does gonna eat his ass,poster above is clearly one….So many factual errors in that diatribe…Grunwald got lucky with VC ? Actually he traded for him draft day,i think being able to make a trade that like and draft a top 3 player at the time is a lil more than luck and it was Zeke who drafted Mac…

        To dickride BC after the last 4 years is too really not have a clue whats gone on with this organization…. 

        • Jay

          You still haven’t said anything worth a damn…BC came in and took one of the worst teams in the NBA and got us our one and ONLY Atlantic Division Title his first year here!  I’m pretty sure if BC had TMAC and VINCE they would have gone a lot farther than the 2nd round…and I can guarantee you that BC would have made sure TMAC was a starter!

          Every GM makes mistakes, BC has made his.  I don’t care about BC or anyother GM, all I want is for the Raptors to have the best one available, and they do

          Stop complaining and go become a fan of the Bobcats…

    • sleepz

      Your boy TW is goin’ pro!

    • Myer

      Wow, you’re reaching buddy. Blaming the defensive improvement on a condensed schedule? Idiot.

  • Truthkiller

    Arsenalist, call those fools on Fan590 tonight. 

    • sleepz

      It’s hard to listen to them. They always find the ‘silver lining’ to anything Raptors related and it’s not that they have to be critical but to not be objective about the talent on the team and the direction of the team, is a bore to listen to and makes me think BC is sitting in there in the booth with them.

      And I am in 100% agreement that if BC is gone within the next few years, these will be the same dudes talking about how Colangelo set the franchise back and didn’t acquire any real talent in his time as the Raps GM.

      • Truthkiller

        I totally agree, it seems like there is nobody in the media willing to criticize BC. They talk about how he is well connected in the basketball world and how he’s well known, etc.  that shit doesn’t translate to Raptor wins. It’s been 6 years if I’m correct, and his best accomplishment to the team 3rd head coach of the Toronto Raptors Dwayne Casey.

        • sleepz

          +1

          Real talk is all we want as fans. The results will speak for themselves.

  • Raps4Ever

    Destro ,

    I won’t bother responding to each of your most recent pathetic, childish mouthing off posts. I’m guilty enough already of too much slapping of a dumb animal for one day. Get some help kid. Even when things are bad, there are other choices than wallowing in misery, and insisting that others share it with you. 

    • Destro

      lol @ you thinking about me offline…

      bitch

      • Lance

        Once a dummy, always a dummy. Immature punk.

    • Lorenzo

       LMAO. You do realize that they’re are the same person, right?

  • Rudie63

     I keep thinking that the Raps should make a run at Aaron Brooks.  We would overpay him, naturally, but its not really overpaying if you have no choice. 

    • sleepz

      I’m starting to develop a liking for Dragic.

      Been watching quite a few Houston games lately and there has been little fall off from him and Lowry as the man is ballin.

      Lowry is better on the ball defensively but Dragic is going to have some suitors in free agency.

  • Lorenzo

    Why is Deron Williams out of the question? If Anthony Davis gets drafted by the Raptors, I believe we would have a good chance of getting him with our sexy frontcourt. Also we could give him a max deal.