Hawks 109, Raptors 87 – Box

This was just like the Sixers mini-series. A team couldn’t believe they lost to the Raptors on their home floor, and came back shortly after to set things right.

Let us not gloss over the fact that the Raptors were the better team last night for large stretches, only to be done in by a third quarter where the offense dried up, and Jeff Teague woke from a half-long slumber to notice that he didn’t even recognize the point guards that were checking him him.

So where do the Raptors stand? Are they good enough to beat the Celtics, or bad enough to lose at home to a Hawks team that looks upon defense as a toddler at vegetables? Somewhere in between is the correct answer, of course, but where on that spectrum, nobody quite knows. What is known to anyone who cares to think beyond an isolated result is that very little can be read into this part of the season, as has been the case for years now.

This one started with Amir Johnson making Josh Smith pay for being a lazy bitch, and DeMar DeRozan standing up to Joe Johnson for the second straight game. Usually he sort of gets dominated and trampled, so it was good to see DeRozan put up a fight to the tune of 22 points. Results don’t matter here, DeRozan had a decent game against Johnson and even though it wasn’t a direct matchup, it makes me retain some hope that DeRozan could turn out to be a consistent player in the league if the moons align just right.

There was little defense played in the first, as best reflected by the Raptors and Hawks shooting 71% and 68%, reflectively. The Raptors were getting to the paint, and were playing a very inside-out game, mostly through Amir Johnson and DeRozan’s drives. 32-30 Raptors at the end of one, so far so good, but you kind of knew the Hawks, unlike the night before, were up for this one. Or at least as ‘up’ as a Hawks team can be.

If I’m the the Raptors PR staff, I make a commemorative DVD out of that second quarter because we saw things we might not see again for 480 years. Solomon Alabi tearing boards down, running the break, slamming it home, and blocking not one but two shots on the same possession. James Johnson throwing down a vicious dunk, hiting jumpers, it was like the D-League All-Star team right at the ACC!

The Hawks defense was scattered and uninterested, with Jeff Teague running the offense like a drunk driver. Yet after all this the Raptors lost the quarter by five and went trailing at halftime by three. Why? Joe Johnson’s 11 points, and Ivan Johnson’s sheer hustle and determination. The Raptors really missed a chance in the second to extend a lead, mostly because the second unit (which is really the third unit) with Gary Forbes flopped. Right now Forbes is behind Uzoh in the pecking order an Uzoh went 2-11 FG.  Yikes!

The third started off nicely enough with DeRozan and Amir Johnson running a pick ‘n roll for a dunk; it was easily one of the worst pieces of defense played this year, and only showed that if the Raptors moved the ball well enough, the Hawks were there to be carved open like a hot knife through butter.

This is about the time Jeff Teague woke up and started stealing point-to-wing passes and converting them on the break for And1s. Poor Uzoh didn’t know what hit him, and when Forbes was inserted to quell the rebellion, Teague responded with another steal. The offense dried up again, not helped by the turnovers, and as Josh Smith started making his jumpers, Amir Johnson started missing his (deliberately left wide open by the Hawks defense I think, or was it that they forgot to mark him – can’t tell).

The hammer came down late in the third when an 8-0 Teague and Ivan Johnson inspired run extended it to an 11 point lead. There was no comeback in the fourth, no heroics from DeRozan or Andersen, as much as Leo was calling for it.  The play that sort of took the wind out of the sails, or more accurately, out of Alabi’s lungs, was this knee to the chest by Ivan Johnson, whose game can be summed up as Reggie Evans’ hustle peppered with actual talent:

If there’s a telling stat in this game, it’s the 28-5 Hawks advantage in fastbreak points, which were fueled by 18 Raptors turnovers (compared to 5 by the Hawks).  With that kind of differential in such a key stat and a bigger differential in talent, I salute the Raptors for staying relatively in it for three quarters, or for that matter winning 22 games.

So what did we learn? We learned the following:

  • That Solomon Alabi is a better than Patrick O’Bryant. I never saw Patrick O’Bryant do anything positive on the court and I saw Alabi perform – dare I say it – rather well.
  • That Aaron Gray is the new Rasho Nesterovic. Big bulky dude who throws his weight around and can find a way to put the ball in if he’s close enough. He doesn’t have Rasho’s jumper, but he makes up for it by looking like he just might carry a chainsaw. I think we’re found our backup to Jonas.
  • That James Johnson is an…I was going to use the word ‘enigma’, but that would imply we don’t know what he is. Instead, I’ll say that he’s a “work in progress”. I think given the proper coaching, a shift in mental makeup, and a realization of what his skill are and what they’re not, he can find a place in this league in the mold of a defensive player. He needs to work on his spot-up shooting for that to happen, pure athleticism doesn’t get you anywhere.
  • That Hawks fans are actually worse off than Raptors fans. You talk about mediocrity, the Hawks epitomize it. They’ve been finishing fourth or fifth since I was three years old, no wonder nobody in Atlanta cares to see them – their regular and post-season is a foregone conclusion every single year.
  • That there’s no point going with a zone defense when the point guard is breaking you down at will. I loved the touch of zone against the Celtics, but Casey didn’t even bother with it in the third.  I guess it doesn’t matter what kind of defensive strategy you employ because when you’re turning the ball over you’re pretty much f***ed.

Enough about the game.  We got some party planning to do with these guys coming in to St. Louis on Yonge/College at 7:30pm this Wednesday.

We’ll celebrate having the seventh worst record in the league, but still being happy about it because that’s how bad things have been in years past.  That is the mire this franchise has been stuck in, and as we head into another off-season believing that this is the summer of Colangelo’s rein that will turn things around, let us make a toast that for once it actually rings true.

Let’s look at the situation at the bottom:

Boy, I can honestly say that I don’t mind losing some games to get into that fourth position, because the odds of winning the lottery jump from 4% to 12% within that range.  Now that would start the summer off with a bang, but I get it, I get it…tanking is bad.  But what if, what if the tank didn’t look like an ugly old tank all blown up and disgusting, but something like this:

Wouldn’t you mind riding that tank? Maybe even take it home for four more games?  I sure would, can you imagine if this tank is the difference between Anthony Davis/MKG and John Henson?  The remaining schedule is at Miami, at Detroit, at Milwaukee, before returning home against New Jersey.  In my years and years of writing about the Raptors, I’ve never advocated full blown tanking, but this is just too good to pass up.

Some news on the ex-Raptors front, look who’s back in the league.  Want more ex-Raptor news since all the regular ones are injured?  Isn’t it amazing how one ball-grabbing incident can ruin your Google juice?

Have yourself a good one, I’ll be down at St. Louis on Wednesday.  Look for the guy in the Jamario Moon jersey.

  • cesco

    Detroit and NJ with 22 wins should also be on the list of the bottom teams . Mathematically , 10th place from the bottom ( occupied by Minny ) is still possible but extremely unlikely .

    • FAQ

      A high draft pick is meaningless for the lugubrious Ratpors because the rest of the team is so shitty.  I pity the poor rookie chosen by the dead end Ratpors.  If I were him  I would demand an immediate trade back to a homie team.

      • Lorenzo

        You remind me of one of those parasites that just won’t let go.

        Why are you here again?

        • Destro

          ^ lol he takes it as an indictment on his hero…i luv it lol….

          • Lorenzo

            I have no idea what you said

  • K.J.P

    I thought my Girlfriend was the only one that had a Moon Jersey, LOL. At least hers is the new black one, hahahahha.

  • sleepz

    Tanking is not necessary. They will lose games down the stretch and maybe win one or two more. If the pick is outside the top 5, which I’m hoping unless it’s #1 of course, it starts making things better for us as Colangelo would have to pick the best player available (much like with Ed Davis) so he can’t get cute and start making picks based on his likes, much like when he has had a #1 pick to decide upon.

    Some might argue, what about Derozan? He was the 9th pick as we passed on Jennings, Holiday etc however I think this draft will have some players late in the first ten picks that can make a significant difference (from the 6-10 range) depending on how the first part of the draft shapes up. 

    • Bendit

      To be fair there wasn’t a consensus #1 pick choice to be made that year. BC of course chose the player he thought would be the best pick for the Raps. One must also not forget that Bargs was picked to be the future centre for the team. Of course that didn’t work out. Would you have picked Gay who is arguably the best player in that draft currently playing (Aldridge just had a hip operation and has a heart issue)? 

      • sleepz

        Fair or not, your job as GM is to select the best player, trade down, trade for assets but get maximum value for that #1 pick regardless of how you slice it up. Based on your argument the fact that he was drafted and projected as the future centre of the team but is now a “natural 4″ is an indictment of the talent evaluation process by the GM.

        I’m not sure if I would have picked Gay (unless we traded down) to be honest with you as I was leaning more towards Aldridge at the time and I would still be fine with Aldridge today health problems or not because the gap between those two players is still large enough that I don’t feel your even comparing apples to apples. It’s apples to grapefruits.

        • Bendit

          Are you implying that he did not pick the best player or one with the most upside?….in his mind at that time …not in hindsight. I will agree that not everything turned out peachy but that his the nature of the draft. This upcoming draft will be full of “what ifs” & “the GM should have picked so and so” 3 yrs. from now. I have a beef with BC not so much about Bargs but that he insisted on considering Bosh as the franchise player. Thank the baby jeezus Bosh decided to bolt or we would be pulling an Atlanta or probably the 8th spot right now. 

          • sleepz

            I’m not implying it, I am stating it as fact hindsight or not.

            I never understand how because he did something that he thought was right but we know it wasn’t why its not a mistake because of good ole’ hindsight. lol

            How come no one gives Babcock a pardon for drafting Arajuo? In hindsight we realize it was a bad pick but he thought it was wise at the time considering they had no centre and that pick was the #8 pick in the draft I believe, hardly close enough to pick the player he considered to be best in the draft. Why is he not further applaued for trying to get another pick to take A.Bynum (as reported after the draft) In hindsight that would have been an extremely good move.

            Hindsight is used as a pardon or an excuse way too often.

            • Destro

              Agreed,bargs was considered a project..he was a euro center playing in an inferior league..talent but no one knew what he would be in the nba…

              The consensus was definitely LA was the much safer pick…and that was the pick i was hoping for…in hindsight LA here this franchise i believe is in a completely different state…. 

            • Bendit

              I believe you misread. I was “accusing” you of using “hindsight” rather than me trying to absolve BC. I would have loved if he had picked Gay (hindsight) but not many obviously believed (picked #8) he would be what he is today. I understand why Bargs was picked over Aldridge. You obviously dont. That AB did not turn out better than I wished Is unfortunate but this happens to the best pickers who do this for a living. 

              To try and compare the Araujo selection with Bargnani is ludicrous. All professional observers literally gasped when that pick was made and Babcock was rightly roasted for such an egregious bust/mistake. Even Reeves (grizz pick) was more serviceable. I read a piece once that Araujo’s College coach said he would not have recommended he get picked so high….if he were asked!

              In anycase you have a different view of BC going forward. I dont. I could change if he botches this summer’s acquisitions/transactions. This will set the tone for the franchise for at least the next 5-6 yrs. 

              • sleepz

                You are right, I don’t understand why Barganani was picked above Aldride. I had more opportunities to watch Aldridge play at Texas and to me he wasn’t a project of a big man. He was and played like a big.

                • mountio

                  Well .. I would say good for you for seeing that Aldridge was head and shoulders ahead of the rest. Because, we werent the only team that didnt agree with you, given that Chicago traded his rights for Tyrus Thomas! What was you opinion of Tyrus at the time? Better or worse than AB?
                  Bottom line .. I dont think (even with hindsight) that you can really argue much with the AB pick. Is LA better? Ya, probably a little. Is Gay? Yes, he is too. (although I wouldnt say either is leaps and bounds .. but yes, a little).
                  How about Adam Morrison at 3? Tyrus at 4? Shelden Willams at 5? AB blows all of these guys out of the water.
                  Given all this, I think its hard to objectively say that a) AB was a bad pick at the time and b) that, even with hindsight, he was that bad of a pick

                • Destro

                  I think if you were projecting him to be a major piece of a winning team or an all star calibre player than it was a major fail….Lets be honest you draft a center #1 you expect certain things out of that….I expect a guy who rebounds and defends the rim and we have not gotten that….If you simply want to look at points per game avg in his 5th and 6th seasons in the league as measuring stick then by that i guess he isnt a bust….

              • Theswirsky

                “and Babcock was rightly roasted for such an egregious bust/mistake”

                and there were alot of people who thought BC made a mistake at the time to. 

                you said yourself  “there wasn’t a consensus #1 pick choice to be made”, which means everyone had different #1s.  Turns out the people who didn’t think Bargnani was #1 were right.

                Either both examples are hindsight and “at the time” they were the best picks in each GMs mind or neither were… you can’t have it both ways.

                • mountio

                  see above

                • Theswirsky

                  and to the above I would say, you missed Sleepz’s entire point that claiming people are using “hindsight” is a conviently placed excuse.  No one justifies the hoffa draft as ‘hindsight’.  But the player they happened to like who turned out worse than they expected?… well ofcourse thats hindsight.

                  Chicago missed on Aldridge you say?  That some how that justifies BC doing it?  Please.  

                  And by the way, Gay and Aldridge are both leaps and bounds better, as are Milsap and Rondo.  

                • mountio

                  Chicago, Charlotte and Atlanta (and us, according to you and sleepz) whiffed on their top five pick. So, yes I would qualify 4 out of 5 NBA GMs as better evidence of what a crapshoot the 2006 draft was than “sleepz” and “Theswirsky” on the internet claiming 6 years later that the knew for sure that LA was the pick of the draft ..

                • Theswirsky

                  actually as you’ll noticed I mentioned that if there was no consensus #1 then everyone had their own #1… which would include numerous different pundits, scouts and ‘experts’. 

                • mountio

                  ok .. then how do you fault us for getting undeniably the 2nd best out of the top five? I realize its not perfect .. but all things considered, its not bad …, right?

                • Brad

                  You make some great points, but I wouldn’t argue with theswirsky….hindsight is always 20/20, and everything he says reeks of it, as much as he tries to deny it.

                • cesco

                  All I know is that the haters are stinking up the joint here at RR in unbelievable fashion  . Andrea has the best career FT% and 3 pts % of all 4 guys you mentioned . He has way better career PPG than Rondo and Milsap and about the same as LA and Gay if you consider their respective career MPG . He can spread the floor better than those 4 guys and you said they are leaps and bound better ? . STOP STINKING UP THE JOINT , go and get a brain transplant , please .

                • Bendit

                  Your logic meter needs an adjustment I am afraid. Sorry. If by next year Anthony Davis turns out to be less than the phenom he is being made out to be and say Beal or MKG is much much more productive for his team…are you going to call Jordan a goat/failure for making a bad pick? Repeat: This inspite of the general consensus that AD is the undisputed #1? We have agreed I think that there was NO general consensus about 2006 meaning its a much tougher choice. Keeping that in mind AB was an acceptable pick considering who went 2, 3, 4,5,6 & 7. Roy of course had a short shelf life and this was known.

                • Bendit

                  I had earlier posted a reply to Destro just below which included a poll re this draft. I had linked the site but it seems to have been deleted…there must be a rule against links???

                  It clearly showed that the respondents to have had a balanced view in percentage terms with Tyrus T having 56% as the 1st choice and AB 46% and the rest of the next 5 or so were in the low 40s-early 30s. Found another one that has done a pre draft mock which is the result of a compendium of 14 different sites/mocks and shows AB as #1 and LA as #3 after TT. I ‘ll let you read the rest about the lack of consensus etc.  

                  I do not get your “Turns out the people who didnt think Bargnani was #1 were right”. Huh?? What is the criteria which determines whose pre-selection was the best? I have already said I believe as of today Gay was the best choice…but this a hindsight reflection. I think I am done on this.

                  To the monitor/moderator: If there is a rule against external links to support an argument please let me know. No need to delete the entire post…wouldnt deleting just the link suffice? Thanks.

                   http://www.nba.com/draft2006/consensus.html

                • mountio

                  i dont think there is an issue with links .. but I could be wrong.
                  In any event, you are 100% right .. I havec no idea who these guys are trying to kid with their revisionist history. Did they feel LA was better at the time? Maybe .. but it was not, in any way, shape or form, the “consensus view”

                • Destro

                  Yes it was,stop revising history….LA was the consensus better pick at the time….

                • Raps4Ever

                  fail, not so. For examples: 1 day before the draft, ESPN had him going 4th, after Morrison. NBADraft didn’t even have him in top 5 picks. Collegehoops had him 5th. There was no consensus #1 in 2006. You’re the one revising history.

                • Destro

                  Who the fuck cares what “collegehoops.com” thinks…lol
                  ESPN had said he was the best big man in the lottery and most NBA ready and thats what they wanted…

                • CJT

                  You just went from the best pick to the best big man.  You’re even revising history from one post to the next.

                • Theswirsky

                  “What is the criteria which determines whose pre-selection was the best?”

                  “but this a hindsight reflection.”

                  Sleepz was pointing out we can say the exact same thing about Babcock and Hoffa.  If Babcock felt Hoffa was the best player available, then he was. There was no pre-selection criteria to who was the ‘best at that spot’ either. 

                  If you want to say “well alot of people thought it was the wrong choice at the time”, I think its fair to point out alot of people though Bargnani was the wrong choice at the time to

                  If “hindsight” shouldn’t be used to judge a GMs decision, how can you ever judge a GM?.  At the time every decision makes sense.  

                • Bendit

                  OMG…definitely the last time..if you are giving Babcock a pass for picking Hoffa inspite of the general consensus at THE TIME that he was a bad pick at that # then why arent you giving BC the same when the pick he made had NO general consensus amongst about 3-4 players as to who should be that pick. I hope you understand what I am trying mightily to convey.

                • Theswirsky

                  ummm no one is giving Babcock a pass. 

                  But its not hard to say if you are going to give BC a pass its not hard to point out Babcock deserves treatmeant.

                  “inspite of the general consensus at THE TIME that he was a bad pick ”

                  really? “What is the criteria which determines whose pre-selection was the best?”

                  oh wait, thats probably only for whats convient right?

                  Don’t worry I’m convinced the ‘logic’ is well over everyones

                • whatever

                   Well babcock’s pick is out of the league while B.C’s pick is still making over $10 mil a yr.

                • Destro

                  I can name several bums in the NBA who made 10 mil a season for a minute….

                • Raps4Ever

                  the swirsky phraseology merry-go-round is an experience, aye. It takes some work, but you can get him to swear to shut up. haha, like he can :)

                • Destro

                  You are dense man,he is saying the exact opposite…He’s saying if you want to shit on babcock for Hoffa then you have to do shit on BC for AB….because neither one was a consensus best player available when they picked….PPl want to say Hoffa was a reach,Bargs was just as much a reach given nobody at that time other than BC was sold on him at #1

      • Destro

        Consensus was Aldridge was the safer pick tho back in 06 and need i mention Aldridge has in fact earned his all star status…and yes Rudy Gay >>>>> althought good luck marketing those jerseys…

        • mountio

          Consensus according to who? See above. Not to Chicago (they traded him for Tryus Thomas!). Not to charlotte .. they decided to keep Morrison rather than do the same trade Portland did. Im just not sure where this “consensus” it was so obvious is coming from ..

          • Raps4Ever

            From all the 20/20 hindsght experts! Some will even say they were saying it at the time. Convenient isn’t it,,,, that they can’t be proven wrong unless you keep notes on what people say, like the swirsk fellow.

            You notice the same people are the ones that basically rip everybody on the team. It’s easy to rip everyone. It’s a win no matter the outcome. They can boast that you were right on the ones they win, and on the ones they turn out to be wrong on, they just shrug and say well, isn’t it great that I was wrong. They can’t lose by bitching about everyone, just like they can’t lose with their hindisight. Brilliant, isn’t it?

            • mountio

              Couldnt have said it better myself.

            • Destro

              So this team and its mgmt isnt worthy of being ripped ? This team hasnt made the playoffs in 4 seasons because of shitty mgmt….WTF

              I never get these type of replies,org has been in the playoffs 5 times in 17 fuggin years…at what point do you rip a team for repeatedly fuckin up and not doing there jobs my dude ? You posters lack basic logic regarding this team…..If this was a winning organization that made the playoffs every year and contended and had a strong nucleus then there’d be nothing to rip…We are far from that and have never been that…I dont get the issue then…. 

              • mountio

                Go ahead and rip where warranted, sure. I rip our players (both our good ones and bad ones). But be balanaced. BC has made some bonehead moves .. absolutely. Hes made some good moves too.
                The guys who rip every move and every player (and suggest that a player isnt “complete” unless their O and D are at an elite level) (that btw only a dozen guys in the league fall into)… have no credibility.
                Be upset, sure. But, be happy with good things on the team and if you are going to be pissed at the bad things

                • Destro

                  Name me the good moves he has made outside of year 1 which a computer could have made with the assets and apathy he had to work with….Name em right now  !!

          • CJT

            Does it really matter, there is no amount of logical argument that is going to convince this crew of guys that AB was a solid selection. 

            • Destro

              because solid i subjective…If you like him as a player you’ll convince yourself of anything regarding him including he was going to be an all star this season…

          • Destro

            Consensus safer pick for the Raptors at 1… 

  • Nilanka15

    The Atlanta Hawks is the reason why we need to tank, and tank properly.  The last thing we want to do is become them (i.e. a decent team with decent players, but lacking a true superstar to make them a legit contender).

    • sleepz

      I actually have no problem being like the Hawks minus the money being spent for Joe Johnson.

      They have assets to parlay if they want to go in another direction.

      Their 3 best players (J.Smith, J. Johnson, A. Horford)  are far better than any player currently on the Raptors. The talent is there but they have some bad contracts to manage (Johnson and Williams).

      If they don’t whiff big time on the Marvin Williams pick things could have been dramatically different for them. But thats the thing about the draft, it can set up your franchise for a decade or set you back the same amount of time.

      • Nilanka15

        Chris Paul with this lineup would’ve been scary.  But that brings us back to the idea of “elite” talent required to take a team from good to great.

        • sleepz

          No doubt. A lot goes into building a true contending team.

        • CJT

          Does anyone consider the Clippers a contender?  They have two elite talents and I don’t think they have the talent to get through the west.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        If we could be like the Hawks (win as many games) the ACC would be rocking!!

        The Hawks have a PF playing Center yet he isn’t crying or running from that responsibility.

        As well he’s been out most of the season and the Hawks keep on winning games- imagine that?

        This dude Nilanka thinks that the Raptors are going to be contenders for exactly what- a NBA championship?

        Miami & Chicago both have the East on lock for the near future plus w/ talented young teams like Ind, ATL, Phi not to mention what NJ, Orl might do with their star players (trade, add f/as)- the Raptors will be lucky to make the playoffs in the next 5 years especially if Bargnani is on the team.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Can’t forget NY and Lin Sanity for 82 games….

        • Nilanka15

          Mediocrity for all!!!

          So you’re more inclined to get the “ACC rocking” than competing for championships one day?  Good to see you have your priorities straight.

          Miami is too good, so we should just stop trying, right?  Sounds like a quitter’s mentality to me.  Is that what you teach your AAU pupils?

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            You need a reality check.lmfao

            Insinuation is like mastubation it only get you off- kiddo.lol

            • Nilanka15

              Do you preach that to your pupils too?

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                I don’t preach, I teach- recognize game, buddy.

                • Statement

                  You talk like a professional wrestler.

                • Rob

                  I was thinking more like a professional douchebag.

                • Nilanka15

                  Or stay forever lame.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  But then again according to your all infinite wisdom and all knowing self I don’t know Tony Wroten Jr either- huh?lmfao

            • Statement

              I always get a chuckle at your one-liners.

              • Statement

                get = have

          • cesco

             Did you say Gots2go is a teacher ? that is impossible , a coach for his son house team , maybe . Can’t see them winning anything though with a coach who has his brain up his a$$ .

            • Destro

              you think bargnani is a HOFer
              nuff said….

              • Lorenzo

                You’re not real..

    • Bendit

      There is another reason why the Hawks will run the treadmill for the forseeable…stop pay non-superstars like a superstar (Johnson). His contract is unmovable and in a cap system poisonous to the organization.

      • sleepz

        I agree 100% with this as Johnson contract is an albatross. If you are going to pay +$20 million for a player he has to be a superstar or elite player in this league. 

        However they have a player in Smith that they will pay just over 13 million to next year who I think is a great deal based on his production.

        If you are going to pay a player +$10 million for a season get as much productivity as possible in return. I’m a big proponent of this especially when the player contributes in multiple categories.

        Not trying to be a ‘hater’ but if you swap out Smith for Andrea’s contract (minus the difference of 2 million in salary) that money the Raps are shelling out becomes A LOT more well spent from our end because although you might be getting some questionable shots (…..then again Smith does shot over 45% from the field) now and again you are getting tons of additional value you never got before (boards, assists, blocks, steals). Swing that type of deal and see if Casey isn’t doing backflips.

        • Bendit

          I’d be ok with a Smith for Bargs swap.

          • Nilanka15

            I’d make that swap too, but I don’t like DeRozan being our “go to” scorer.  He’d have to be swapped too (for Beal perhaps?).

            • Bendit

              I have not been a DD supporter…primarily because I thought he did not have the fortitude and some of the skills needed to be a frontline SG. His body l. was terrible.The last month and a half however has made me reevaluate that opinion. Maybe its the Casey influence or just skill growth/maturity. With Smith however who is an inside and outside threat anytime…this would open things up for DD especially getting to the rim. And lets not forget JV’s potential influence under the basket. Sigh. 

            • sleepz

              Lol, no one said Derozan would be the go to scorer. The only reason why Demar would remain on the team is because he’s ona rookie salary scale otherwise he falls into the same boat as Bargnani (small or no contributions with rebounds, assists, steals blocks, etc).

              I would still have my offence run through Josh as he’s an underrated passer and maybe Casey can keep him on the blocks or close enough to the hoop and not as much wandering on the perimeter. Plus they should be able to get a legitimate scorer with this draft pick even if it’s a pick out of the top 8 (Lamb, Rivers, Wroten, etc)

            • Truthkiller

              I remember a couple of years ago Rudy Gay being criticized the exact same way, a talented guy but had trouble creating offense for himself off the dribble but look at how he turned out. 

              How is Beal an undersized 2 guard (basically a Jerryd Bayless) better than what we have in Derozan?

              • Nilanka15

                I don’t consider 6’5″ to be undersized.  Plus Beal is a better shooter, better passer, and has better ball-handling ability.

                • Lorenzo

                  That would be true if Beal actually was 6’5″, which he’s not.

                • Nilanka15

                  Don’t go by his preseason measurements.  Reports are he’s grown since then.

          • pran

            Valanciunas/veteran/alabi 
            A. Davis/Amir Johnson 
            J. Smith/J Johnson 
            Derozan/Barbosa/Alan Anderson 
            Calderon/Bayless/Uzoh  

            I would be satisfied with that roster for a long time.

      • CJT

        Johnson is to the Hawks what Garnett was to Minny.  Taking up too much cap space to create a strong team.

        • sleepz

          Yes Garnett contract was very large however he was truly a superstar at that time.

        • Destro

          You’re comparing Johnson to prime KG ?

          *filed*

          • CJT

            No, comparing terrible contracts that crippled their respective teams ability to add better talent.  Garnett complained for years that he didn’t have a solid supporting cast but didn’t seem to feel the need to free up some cap space by giving back some of his excessive salary.

            • Destro

              You think players should give up there salary ?
              smh

              • CJT

                ONly is they are going to complain about the lack of cash to bring in better supporting cast players like KG did.

        • Bendit

          I disagree. KG was much more valuable to Minny than JJ is to Atlanta imo. I think he is a better all around player than JJ who plays hard every game bad team or not. No Garnett and that franchise might well have failed/moved. But Garnet played for quite awhile in the soft cap world. Minny just couldnt/wouldnt spend was the problem as well. Today is different with the luxury tax soon to be unacceptably onerous so much so that even the deepest pockets (eg. LAL) want to trim payroll.

          • Destro

            Only a dummy would compare a franchise prime KG to Joe fuggin Johnson….smh.

            So then what the hell JJ was to ATL what Kobe was to the Lakers 05-06…smh

          • Theswirsky

            Johnson is a solid player but payed much more than he’s worth. KG in his prime could have been paid more than he was and still been worth it.

            • CJT

              I totally agree that KG was a far superior player, that was not my point, but for all his greatness what did KG accomplish without Pierce and Allen?  Early exits from the playoffs and some allstar appearances. 

              • Destro

                Western Conf Final in 04 and a few all nba teams…but he honestly after Marbs had zero help and no it wasnt because of his salary….Its because Minny mgmt didnt do there job until 03-04…No different than Kobe in LA after Snaq left…. 

                • CJT

                  I disagree.  It’s hard to do your job with no money. 

    • Grantland

      For every Oklahoma City, there’s an Atlanta — a perennially decent team with exciting players that nobody really gives a shit about. 

  • voy

    Ha, Rasho! Jeezus, what a waste of 8 mill a year.  I always gotta good laugh when Leo attributed waaay to much of San An’s success to Rasho.  Like without him they wouldn’t have won.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    Any body with common sense could see that this game was designed for Raptors  to lose by BC- play Alabi major minutes while sitting Gray, let Dentmon’s 10 expire with no re-up so Rap’s have no healthy back up pg- this team had no chance to win tonite, sit Kleiza while limiting Uzoh’s minutes as so Forbes can try to run the team….smdh

    I hope fans stay away from the ACC as BC doesn’t want to win games right now so don’t waste your dollars on the Raptors for the rest of this season as BC throws out bs line ups via his puppet coach Casey.

    Alabi is still a scrub and doesn’t belong in the NBA after 3 seasons go overseas young man…

    I guess Val is potentially getting his starting position handed to him instead of earning it even though he’s never played 82 games or has beat out anyone- the BC way.lmfao

    Amir, Ed, Gray > Val right now & next season

    • voy

      I’ll be surprised if they stick jv in the starting lineup right away.  its gonna be a big adjustment for the kid.  I’d break him in easy at first and feed him more minutes as he adjusts and makes strides.  Almost 100% ceretain this is the way its going to go down.  The guy is not going to be given 30 minutes a game from game 1.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        I hope not or it could crush him early on. Let him come in off of the bench against 2nd stringers to start off his career and earn a potential starting position the right way through hard work and improvement which happens over time not on day 1 for most NBA rookies.

        I get the feeling that he might be thrown into the starting lineup though- time will tell.

        I can’t wait to watch him in the Vegas summer league then make a more informed thought on his prospects for 2012-13 season.

        SA wanted to trade TParker for Raptors pick that’s a big reason why BC choose Val.

        I would have taken TParker as long as Jose went the other way in the deal.

        • Nilanka15

          Val likely won’t be playing in Summer League, thanks to his commitment to the Lithuanian national team.

        • Raps Loyalist

           You would trade the # 5 pick and jose for T Parker?  You should change your name to “IGots2GO”…we are rebuilding and giving away top 5 pick isn’t how you rebuild your team its how you get mediocre for a couple seasons then Parker signs somewhere else.

          So Glad you’re not the Raps GM…your idiotic revisionist history trades make BC lots like a genius compared to what you would do

          ps. Want a championship or mediocrity?  Val is a true banger 7 footer center…Every non-Jordan champion has had a player like that

          • Nilanka15

            Gots2Go’s wish is the 2nd round ceiling of the Atlanta Hawks 😐

            • CJT

              Aim High!

              • Destro

                2nd round >>>> 13th

                • Nilanka15

                  And you get on MY case for stating the obvious?

                • Destro

                  Well i said that in jest friend…Im more of the belief making the ‘offs unless your a real contender is mau mau…Aspiring to be an 8th seed….But if you can make the 2nd round a few times on the way while ur building to a contender than im with it… 

                • Gerry

                  Vomit>>>>>shit, but in the end they’re both waste, just at different stages.

                • Destro

                  Oddly enough ur reply reeks of both as well…

                • Gerry

                  You do too, although for you that’s not odd, given your hygiene, it’s normal.

                • Destro

                  Failed attempt #487 trying to be funny

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              You love speaking for others don’t you- one heck of a life that you have there, buddy.lmfao at u

              • Nilanka15

                Does this sound familiar to you?

                “This dude Nilanka thinks that the Raptors are going to be contenders for exactly what- a NBA championship?”

                You certainly don’t mind speaking for others, but all-of-a-sudden, have problem with it when it’s the other way around? 

                You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  That’s the same thing you have posted in the past and what you meant in that post comparing the Hawks current basketball franchise situation with the Raptors theorized projected future potential- am I wrong.

                  Say cheese….lol

                • Nilanka15

                  “cheese”

                  My comparison of the Raptors to the Hawks was in the most general manner possible.

                  The Hawks lack elite talent to take them to the next level (i.e championships).  The Raptors also lack elite talent to take them to that level, hence the importance of this summer’s draft (and losing as many games as possible in the meantime).

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            Why did Casey call him currently a PF that they HOPE will grow into a NBA center on draft nite?

            BC isn’t even bringing the playoffs post CB to the TDot much less a NBA championship (only 9 teams have won a NBA championship since 1980- Bos, Phi, LAL, Det, Chi, Hou, SA, Dal, Mia)…..lol smdh

            • sauce jr.

              Why did Casey call him currently a PF that they HOPE will grow into a NBA center on draft nite?

              I don’t think he said that.  He said he has to get stronger, which isn’t too unusual for a 19 yr old draft pick. 

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                Yes he did say that verbatim, friend….

                • sauce jr.

                  Even if he did say it, Casey also compared him to Tyson Chandler who plays – say it with me, now – center.  In the NBA. 
                   

                • Destro

                  and that supposed to mean what ? What do you expect the coach to say about a player he’s going to have for the duration of his tenure…

                • sauce jr.

                  I guess it means that senor gots2to is making up bogus quotes. 

            • Raps Loyalist

               You build a championship team through defense, especially interior defense, and Casey knows that.  Val is 19, plays inside, and is already over 7feet tall so he’s gonna be a center in the NBA you know it, I know it, Casey knows it.

              You build a team with the aim of building a championship contender

              “Only 9 teams won since 1980″…guess Toronto should never try to win a championship ever and we should just hope to make the playoffs here and there.

              Boston Red Sox took 86 years to finally win a world series should they have given up after not winning one after a couple decades and made their goal being mediocre?

              Miami, Dallas, Detroit, San An, Chicago, Houston…it took all these teams a long-time before they won a championship but by your logic they should never have even tried to build a contender and instead should just made every short-term quick fix roster move available

              • Nilanka15

                The scary part is that this guy is out there actually teaching kids basketball! 

                Can you imagine the insanity?  Yelling at kids because they haven’t faced NBA competition yet…while spewing dated rap lyrics.

                Canada’s youth is doomed.

                • Truthkiller

                  Correction he “claims he teaches kids basketball” 

                • CJT

                  It would be awesome if he drafted Tony Worten jR. As his starting PG.  Reconize.

              • Destro

                He’s 6-11

                • Raps4Ever

                  You see the key piece of Raps Loyalist’s post as the 1 ” height differential that you’re eager to correct? lmfao, precious.

                  What, you have some personal stake in his height stat because you’ve measured him yourself lately and know that places like nba dot com that list him as 7 ‘ are wrong and feel the need to set the record straight? lmfao at the foolishness you’ll fight over. You’re mommy lay a beat down on you this morning to try and get you out of the basement?

                • Destro

                  Youre trying TOO hard to find things…Its important we have the facts right before next season..I have a feeling he will be adopted by the RR bargs foundation…..we need to know these things before firing off our scud missiles….

                • Raps4Ever

                  Didn’t think it was possible, but you reached a new low in pathetic with that reply, from top to bottom.

                • Destro

                  Nah it aint that serious….I didnt read dudes post i saw the 7 foot things,nothing more i needed to add….you stay with ur nose in my ass tho reachin for talking points…I appreciate your consistency as homo as it is…   

    • CJT

      The Fans hope you stay away from ACC as well.

      • cesco

         Only one more game left at the ACC , Thursday April 26th against the Nets . Everyone should be there , if they can , to thanks the Raps and in particular Casey for an early start to next year playoffs run .

        • Destro

          You be drinking too much chardonnay with your primo pasghetti and meatballs breh…

          • cesco

            Chardonnay is a white wine , not good with pasta . My doctor told me to cut down on my wine ( homemade ) . If she wasn’t so pretty I would change doctor but I meet her half way on my wine intake .

            • Lorenzo

               I laughed.

            • Trruth

              good to know you’re a fat,old,dirty bastard with one foot in the grave.

              • cesco

                I see that monkeys can now use a keyboard .  Next step is to get their IQ higher than 10 .

                • Trruth

                  go sleep with your cousin, italian scum.

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    So you are telling me that this   C L O W N    of   blogger    is not writing a big article about “Double Double Machine PF of the Future Eddy Davis” 30 min against ATL (4 reb…)  while  “Solomon ‘The Who’ Alabi” got 8 and 9reb ???????? WTF

    I would say Alabi is better than Davis who is better than lasagna so, Yes I got it : the new karma for RR next summer “START SOLOMON ALABI”. Yes sir

    • Trruth

      change your screenname you dumb bitch, bargnani will never be in the same class as bosh, And that’s saying something considering everyone thinks bosh is soft. Glad to see the only comparisons you can make is to someone who 1) suffered a major knee injury and 2) has never had 1 full training camp. Bargnani is a flawed pussy of a player, that doesn’t know how to defend the paint, and strikes fear in no one. gtfo faggot.

      • cesco

        I would rather have a nickname like  ” il Mago ” than ” Ru Paul” which is about as insulting a name you can give another player .

        • Destro

          Elle Mago

    • CJT

      When did you get so bitter.  You used to try and make good intelligent posts now you just yell like an old man who has teenagers on his lawn.  Let it go, no need to get so worked up by guys who blog. 

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        You are correct. When the blogger starts using the same tone as haters  (maybe to keep them in this blogsite) and calling deliberately players “CLOWNS” you can have a lough at it or ask for some respect. How cheap is to fill up stupid roll calls denigrating players all year long. The Pig smell from the Head. If this blogsite starts denigrating, no matter what, on individuals (players), you are deliberately inviting all comments to take this side. That’s why.Thanks for your past appreciation.

        • Nilanka15

          Here’s a novel idea:  If you don’t like the content, stop visiting the site.

        • Destro

          Bosh 7
          Elle Maggio 0

          • cesco

            But with Il Mago they started beating up on teams like Boston and Orlando last year and Utah and Phoenix this year . With Mr MVP/Stat man , not such luck .

            • Destro

              Yes Bargs dominates the Celts and magic everytime you turn on NBA 2k on your PS3 and adjust him to a 99 and slide Dwight down to a 25 on defense,WHICH is what bargs real life defense actually is…

    • DC

      Has AB even had one double double all year when he was playing? Lmfao at you. 

      • Nilanka15

        I believe he’s recorded 2 double-doubles this season (in 31 games played).

      • Raps4Ever

        You stat whores are something else. Of course, that’s the key component to valuing a player to his team, right? Keven love has plenty of double doubles, while his team’s rebound differential is worse than the Raptors, and they’ve won all of 3 more games, despite him playing 24 more games than Bargs and not having to come back from 6 weeks off due to injury.

        Want more examples of how stupid it is to spew individual stats as the sole evaluation of a player to his team? There are many other examples , in many different flavours, but you might need to understand more about the game than stats. BTW, you know what that “team” word means right? That might be a good place to start from, because AB means much more to his team than a couple more rebounds a game.

        • cesco

           +1 . Both double-doubles occurred in January . The second one was the game he had to leave with his first injury . It is more than likely that he was never 100% coming back from his second injury . The terms  ‘haters’  and  ‘hyenas’  are synonyms on this site .

          • Destro

            lol @ BOTH

            Yall actually recall his dbl dbls vividly because theres so few of them,its like seeing a lunar eclipse…

        • Truthkiller

          If I’m building a team I’d still take Kevin Love the best power forward in the league right now over Bargnani

          BTW it’s only his 4th season in the league not his 6th just saying.

          • Raps4Ever

            Perhaps you missed the point of my post. Though I used two guys names in it, the point was about stats, especially taken on their own, can be a senseless way to evaluate a player and his value to his team. I know some have a hard time getting beyond it, but the NBA and basketball world reaches way beyond individual stats determining what a player’s ability, team value, and team potential are.

            • Destro

              You never got the point unfortunately and that is his rebounding and D is atrocious and effects this team directly and its also why he has never been an all star or respected around the league…  

        • Lorenzo

          Good point.

        • Destro

          NO more stupid than callig him efficient and parading his scoring average on a losing team to mean anything….

          Basically your disputing that his lack of rebounding is pitiful….not surprised….

  • Maputo88

    Watched the 1/2 time show on JV. Can we send Alabi to Lithuania? Know its never been done but can a new legal structure be invented like in futebol?