Not much more to say, let’s get ready for some Jeremy Lamb stew. Or maybe we can burn down the Harrison Barnes, or better yet, trade up for a dash of Mortal Kombat Gilchrist. All great options, too bad none of those dudes has a unibrow. Fuck! Really, I knew we were doing ourselves some serious damage by winning those games down the end, but now is truly when the cost of the hollow victories is being felt.

Still, it’s a lottery pick and a front office staff that’s got a handle on things should be able to produce something from this. Our three lottery picks under Colangelo who have played NBA ball have been Bargnani, DeRozan, and Davis. You can tell me how that’s worked out for us. Not terrible I suppose since they appear to be NBA players, but have they lived up to what was expected? It’s early, but doesn’t look like it.

Here’s an ESPN Insider snippet up to #8:

1. Anthony Davis, Kentucky Wildcats

Think Tyson Chandler on defense, with some Tim Duncan on offense. With great timing on blocking shots, solid ball-handling on the perimeter and an improving jump shot, there seems to be a limitless ceiling for Davis at this point.
2. Bradley Beal, Florida Gators

Beal is a prototype 2 who wasn’t even run off of many screens in his one college season. He seemed to take a huge leap from the beginning to the end of the season in terms of his off-the-dribble game. He should translate into an NBA shooting guard right away, especially with his athleticism and range.

3. Andre Drummond, Connecticut Huskies

Drummond is a freak athlete who has a way to go to be a starting big man in the NBA. On the other hand, he has massive upside, an incredible body and great spring. There is a DeAndre Jordan quality to how poorly he has developed thus far on offense yet how physically imposing he will someday be, but if the right team takes him and he buys in, he can be better than Jordan.

4. Harrison Barnes, North Carolina Tar Heels

Smooth and steady, Barnes is not the next Kobe Bryant, but he is still a solid NBA wing for years to come. His game lacks the burst to create a lot of his own shots, but he can post, will guard some and really made strides in being a solid 3-point shooter.

5. Royce White, Iowa State Cyclones

White is similar in many ways to former New York Knick Anthony Mason. He is an undersized 4 who can handle, shoot some, rebound and score in the low post. He has been very open about his anxiety disorder, as well as his transgressions that lead to him leaving Minnesota. He is a risk, but he can also be a dominant player, one who took over at midseason after two years of rust wore off.

6. Meyers Leonard, Illinois Fighting Illini

Leonard is a freak athlete, with a perfect frame to play 15 years inside in the NBA. Leonard is Andrew Bynum-like in his goofiness, but even though he’s just a kid, his body and skill set are those of a man. He can play the high and low post, guard ball screens, shoot, and has good hands. Is he a killer? I’m not sold, frankly, but man, the potential is there.

7. Perry Jones, Baylor Bears

He dealt with a ton of hype and pressure at Baylor, where he played a lot of center and spent the rest of the time at the 4 spot. He is a 4 or a 3 in the NBA — one who had moments during college where he looked the part of a super talent.

8. Damian Lillard, Weber State Wildcats

A scoring point guard who is best off of ball screens, Lillard benefits from both the lack of great point guards in this year’s draft and the need for a scoring PG to play right away.

I’m not really sold on the PGs in this draft, and unless you manage to land a pure-talent pick like MKG, Jones, or Barnes, you have to consider what the value of the pick is on the market. This is a draft that’s been touted to be full of players who can find an NBA role early, the question is whether we want to add another young guy to the team and lengthen the rebuild process. You’d think that what this team needs are some veterans who can still play (read: not Magloire), and stacking on youth isn’t the option to take, unless of course, we decide to shed some of our dross, which then amounts to replacing youth (ahem, Davis, Johnson) with better youth. This in effect means restarting the rebuilding with Jonas as the centerpiece, flanked by Bargnani.

There are plenty of configurations here and nobody is untouchable. Well, Jonas is.

  • Carlos

    had a feeling either nets or hornets were gonna win the lottery…

    • FAQ

      I smell playoffs for the Raps…….

  • jeff_hostetler

    What is this garbage you’ve posted here from ESPN?

    Royce White? Meyers Leonard?

    • Rob

      And no MKG?

      I don’t think this is the Chad Ford recently updated mock draft. You need insider for it, but I managed to gather that he has Davis, MKG, Beal, Barnes, and Robinson in that order, Perry Jones dropping to 12th, and Waiters to the Raps at 8th.

      • Rus

         I posted the new mock 5.0 a bit below

      • Truthkiller

        Man Toronto sports media kills me, these guys have no clue about basketball. This one guy at Toronto Star wrote “MKG could slip to #8”

        http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/1203709–kelly-waiting-for-a-raptors-draft-miracle-that-s-why-toronto-s-an-off-season-sports-town 

        Check it out for yourselves.

        • Milesboyer

          In his defence, he was being sarcastic – “Right now, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist could slip to eight, Jonas Valanciunas could show up having grown a couple of inches and Ed Davis discovers that he’s been suffering from a tapeworm all this time and gains 40 pounds by October.”
          That being said, the guy doesn’t know anything about basketball.  He’s like the Star’s version of Jeff Blair from the Globe – just a writer who’s pandering to the non-basketball reader.

        • Destro

          I agree even there hoops writers are idiots but thats not even a basketball writer…BUT

          I couldnt even get to article i was in awe of Anthony Davis’ grill in that pic…first thing he should be doing when he cashes those NBA checks is fix that thing up,that thing is scary….

          • Guest

            @Destro: Judging from the way you write, it’s funny seeing you call other people idiots.

            @Truthkiller: Toronto Raptors fans kill me.  These guys have no clue when it comes to reading comprehension.  Sad.
             
            One look at the bluebirdbanter.com website, and I’m left wondering why there’s such an obvious gap between the two fan bases.  At least half the fans on here do little more than bash others with their bigoted sensibilities, as if it boosts their own cred.  Tsk, tsk.

            • Rus

               do you realize the irony of your post?

  • HitItHardFromTheBack

    Ain’t bad yall, we could always be the Nets nd it look like Jay-Z got 100 problems now tho!

    Lotta good ish at 8, myboi Dion Waiters don’t yall sleep on him could be a TO Raptor next season, then you got PJ3, Lillard, TWjr, maybe we sneak and grab myboi HB. Good list of players outchea!

    • Destro

      lol @ Dion Waiters…Sorry dog thats an automatic draft fail…

      • HitItHardFromTheBack

        He aint my #1 choice but u sleepin on him doe. Who you be thinkin the Raps should draft?

        • Ihatehaters

          You really talk like that?

          • 511

            Haha. I’d wager Willowdale white boy with an ear for dialect. 

            • Lorenzo

               Willowdale? more like Dawes Road..

        • Destro

          Cant say til we know whos off the board….My preferences for the Raps wont be there at 8….

  • raptorfan7

    Jonas as a center piece? Jonas untouchable? We’ll be lucky if he turns out to be half the player bargnani is. The guy was a fifth overall pick in a horrible draft class, let’s ease up on the expectations and let summer league and his rookie year finish…golly. IMO bargs is still the best player on this team and most people undervalue what he does for the team in terms of being our best scorer. Colangelo wouldn’t of traded him even if we got Davis.

    • Beaverboi

      I like Bargs and what he brings in terms of skill set, but this is either an obvious troll or you sir are the world’s biggest fanboy. 

    • Destro

      Being the best scorer on a 20 win team has NO value breh…Problem is fans like you dont understand whats valuable in the NBA….He’s undervalues because hes one dimensional….and even that dimension is overrated…

    • j bean

      Bargnani wouldn’t have gone #1 if he was in last year’s draft. Jonas will probably have more of an impact his first year. You’re right about BC not trading Andrea even if they landed Davis. BC is his biggest fanboy.

      • CalgaryRapsFan

        Not trading Bargnani has nothing to do with BC being his fanboy.  What team in their right mind would start teenage rookies at C AND PF?  Eventually sure, but certainly not right off the bat, regardless how good Valancuinas and Davis project to become.  They’re both too young and too raw to throw out in a starting lineup together on day one.

  • Lorenzo

    The draft is rigged. They moved up 3 spots! 3!!!! 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Carlos

      obviously.. hornets lose cp3 and they get handed davis.

      • Tesla

        Not to mention that they still officially OWN THE TEAM. Come on David… at least make it seem less obvious.

        • hanif pinas

           New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson recently purchased the team from the NBA

          • Theswirsky

            crazy thing that… couldn’t sell the team for nearly 2 years even when Philly and GS sold their for profits. 

            Then out of no where Hornets sells to Benson and then in the lottery happens……

            • SitnonDfence

              technically the league still owns the team.

              “It’s such a joke that the league made the new owners be at the lottery for the show,” one high-ranking team executive told Yahoo! Sports. “The league still owns the Hornets. Ask their front office if new owners can make a trade right now. They can’t. This is a joke.”  Yahoo! Sports

              There is one reason for prospective owners to be there, to create a facade of ownership so it doesnt seem like the gigantic conflict of interest that it is.

            • Raps4Ever

              Jim Garrison’s illegitimate son lives at RR!

            • Tesla

              Actually the league still officially owns the Hornets, the final transaction hasn’t been done yet. But the agreement has. And maybe winning the lottery was part of that agreement for Mr.Benson, who stated that he didn’t even want to buy the team. It was rigged.

            • Tesla

               ^ My bad this was supposed targeted at “hanif”

          • PHDMAC

            The deal isn’t final and won’t be for a couple of months

  • CJT

    Hollow victories?  How do you think Charlotte feels.  They didn’t have any hollow victories and they still didn’t get the pick. 

    • Tesla

       Lol. Rich Cho looked mad as hell. I can imagine MJ pulling his hair out.

      • Destro

        Cheese eyes aint had hair since ’88

        • Tesla

           Yes, that was the joke

          • Destro

            It wasnt funny

            • Tesla

              That pains me

            • buck foston

              and cheese eyes was?

  • voy

    I dont get the love for bradley beal.  lamb does everything better aaaand he has better size. 

    • Rob

      Because when Lamb plays, it looks like he does’t give a shit, and scouts are wondering if he ever will.

      • voy

        in my opinion I dont think these are legit concerns, having watched a alot of UConn games the last two years.  there is a difference between making it look easy and not caring.  anyway, it will be interesting to see who goes first at sg. 

        part of me thinks beals’ positive press from scouts is a smokescreen hoping some other team overvalues him and takes him top 4.

        • Rob

          Then you’re more qualified than me to speak on Lamb because I’ve watched all of 1 UConn game, but caught a few Gators games, and I like Beal. Lamb does definitely have potential though, seems like Beal is more of a sure thing to reach it though imo.

        • sleepz

          Not sure of the Beal fascination myself when Lamb has 2 years worth of solid tape to go on and the measurables will certainly be more in his favor (height, wingspan), other than girth.

          I guess this is what the work-outs will determine. I watched many Lamb games as well so I know how well he shoots it. I have a feeling his stock and River’s stock will rise once the teams start workout evaluations.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Stern and his reality tv scripted Lottery bs- another coincidence?lmfao

      Terrence Ross, the best SG in this draft, is better than both of them while TWJr is the best guard period coming out in this draft.

      I can see NO drafting Davis and TWJr to go with Kaman, Okafor, Ariza, Gordon & Jack- in the East they would do major damage too bad the Hornets are in the West.

      • voy

        A.Davis and Gordon are an interesting combo to build around.  Plus hit with the #10 pick and you can be in business.

        I think there are some interesting potential combinations out there.  I dont think charlotte or washington can gamble on drummond with the 2nd and 3rd pick.  Charlotte could go with the “safer” home town school kid and take Harrison Barnes.  Washington could go with MKG and have two wildcats running up and down the floor.  Then at 4, I think the cavs have enough to gamble a bit on Drummond and have him paired up with Thompson as your 5/4.  Plus I think Drummond will have alot easier time playing with a pg like Irving than he did trying to fit in at UConn.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Jordan may have a few KBrown flashbacks about electing Drummond but ADrummond would be my choice to pair with Biyombo & Kemba.

          ADavis & TWJr had a feel for each other on the court during the Jordan Brand HS All Star game- AD can catch TWJr’s passes easily.

          I see Wash going Robinson to pair with Nene if ADrummond not available but MKG or Barnes would fit in as well.

          I see the Cavs drafting HB or MKG if ADrummond doesn’t fall.

        • sleepz

          I think Washington has to go Drummond, but he would be a better fit in Clevland.

      • PHDMAC

        Kaman is a free agent and won’t be signed. Okafor is likely to be dealt as well

  • Darien

    Remember when the raps were in 4th and yeah. Damnit. Knowing our luck though, we would’ve dropped to 29th.

    Let’s go PJ3!!!!

  • hotshot

    Dwayne Casey should have gotten a cream pie to the face for coming to the draft lottery after not tanking and expecting some luck now?!

    • CJT

      tanking didn’t help charlotte too much. 

      • Nilanka15

        Sure it did.  Even though they dropped, they’re still in a far greater draft position than us.

        • c_bcm

          And they clearly need it more than us. How far are they from the playoffs? I would surprised if they make it this decade.

        • CJT

          all the reports etc. that I have been reading suggest that after Davis (who I don’t personally think is a lock to be a superstar) the playing field is pretty level for the next several picks.  this is evident by the spread and inconsistent nature of the mock drafts.  So if you didn’t get first pick the only way that I see you being further ahead is by having more choices.  Which don’t get me wrong, I see the value in.  But it isn’t like the top three were set in stone as significantly better players than top 8.

          • Nilanka15

            To a degree, yes.  But I think we can all agree that a player like MKG will not drop past 5th.  And conversely, a player like Perry Jones, probably won’t move into the top 3.

            There may not be much discrepancy between picks 2-14, but a pecking order will still establish itself come June 28th.

            • CJT

              Agree completely, like in every draft there are never any promises and I will be the first to admit that I didn’t see a ton of games, but from what I did see there were no players that stood out a sure things including Davis.  So I hope that we get great value out of our 8th pick.

      • Mapko

        Thank Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
        At least our team looks a lot more like a team. Yes I am aware we were a 23 win team, but add JV, 8th pick, a 12 mil FA, healthy Bargnani, a full training camp with Coach Casey & who knows. 7 or 8 in the east???

    • C.d.G.

      I don’t know whether or not Dwayne Casey really is the b.ball genius people like to talk about. What’s for sure, there seems to be a conflict of interests behind the curtains, nor uniformity of intents in the team, with Casey’s not going in the right direction. This must be said: he’s following his ego in trying to win games, and not making his team any real favour. Coherence, please: we cannot complain about things going against the Tank Theory, and then not to point our finger against the main perpetrator.
       
      17 APRILE
      Hotshot, on april 16 and 17, I commented: “………..As for Casey, noblesse oblige: he’s faultless by definition, like a king or a pope, kind of a hoop-related Obama. Reality is different. They can’t lose when they need to, and can’t win enough when it counts, and part of this goes straight on Casey’s shoulders, not just Colangelo’s.”and”I don’t know whether or not Dwayne Casey really is the b.ball genius people like to talk about. What’s for sure, there seems to be a conflict of interests behind the curtains, nor uniformity of intents in the team, with Casey’s not going in the right direction. This must be said: he’s following his ego in trying to win games, and not making his team any real favour. Coherence, please: we cannot complain about things going against the Tank Theory, and then not to point our finger against the main perpetrator.” 17 APRILEAs Scott rightly pointed out earlier “The difference is defense. When you take Bargnani and Calderon out of the lineup, the Raptors’ defense improves significantly.” Result: Raptors 87 – Atlanta 109! And, surely, the stronger defense in the paint is testified by career-high points and rebounds for Hawks rookie big man Ivan Johnson! As for Casey, noblesse oblige: he’s faultless by definition, like a king or a pope, kind of a hoop-related Obama. Reality is different. As commenter Lexomatic said a pair of days ago “They can’t lose when they need to, and can’t win enough when it counts”, and part of this goes straight on Casey’s shoulders, not just Colangelo’s.

  • Rus

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    New Orleans
    Anthony Davis
    Position: PF

    Height: 6-foot-10

    Weight: 220 pounds

    Age: 19

    School: Kentucky

    Analysis: What a huge win for the Hornets. They lost a
    superstar this season (Chris Paul) yet will replace him with Anthony
    Davis. Pair Davis with Eric Gordon, and New Orleans has a very strong
    foundation to build upon. And the best news is the Hornets have another
    pick at No. 10 to add a point guard to the mix.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Charlotte
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    Position: SF

    Height: 6-foot-7

    Weight: 210 pounds

    Age: 18

    School: Kentucky

    Analysis: Missing out on Davis is a major blow for the Bobcats.
    Now the question is which hole do they try to plug? I think this will
    come down to Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Thomas Robinson. Kidd-Gilchrist
    is the second-best player in this draft and will add toughness and
    leadership. Michael Jordan wants winners, and Kidd-Gilchrist is a
    winner. Robinson adds many of the same qualities at the 4 position, but
    maybe with a little less upside.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Washington
    Bradley Beal
    Position: SG

    Height: 6-foot-5

    Weight: 195 pounds

    Age: 18

    School: Florida

    Analysis: The Wizards are obviously disappointed they didn’t
    crack the No. 1 pick, but they should still get a great player. I think
    it will come down to Kidd-Gilchrist or Bradley Beal. In this mock, MKG
    is off the board, so the choice is much easier. Beal would be a great
    get for the Wizards. The team could really use a dominant 2-guard to
    pair with John Wall. Beal is a very good fit who should be able to step
    in and contribute right away.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Cleveland
    Harrison Barnes
    Position: SF

    Height: 6-foot-8

    Weight: 210 pounds

    Age: 19

    School: North Carolina

    Analysis: Thomas Robinson may be the best player left on the
    board, but he’s not a great fit with Tristan Thompson. If both MKG and
    Beal are off the board, the choice will be between Harrison Barnes and
    Andre Drummond. Both fit needs and Drummond has crazy upside, but the
    Cavs loved Barnes at the No. 4 pick last year before he decided to go
    back to school. I think they’ll roll the dice on him again this year.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Sacramento
    Thomas Robinson
    Position: PF

    Height: 6-foot-9

    Weight: 237 pounds

    Age: 21

    School: Kansas

    Analysis: The Kings, if they keep the pick, will likely try to
    add some athleticism, size and toughness to their front line. Drummond
    is bigger and is an elite athlete, but Thomas Robinson is also an
    explosive athlete and has actually produced. More importantly, Robinson
    is a winner. He could help Sacramento turn around the team’s culture.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Portland (via Nets)
    Andre Drummond
    Position: C

    Height: 6-foot-11

    Weight: 275 pounds

    Age: 18

    School: UConn

    Analysis:
    This could be a scary pick for Portland. At some point Drummond’s
    rewards start to outweigh his risks. I think this may be the point. If
    not, I think the Trail Blazers have to start looking at players such as
    Damian Lillard or Dion Waiters. Maybe they can package picks Nos. 6
    and 11 and move up to get a player such as Brad Beal.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Golden State
    Jared Sullinger
    Position: PF

    Height: 6-foot-9

    Weight: 280 pounds

    Age: 20

    School: Ohio State

    Analysis: I’ve had Perry Jones III here the past few weeks, but
    I’m starting to hear that the Warriors won’t go that direction. I think
    they will instead go with a more proven player to help them on the
    front line. I hear the Warriors are quite high on Sully. Terrence
    Jones, out of Kentucky, is also a strong possibility here.

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    VITALS

    Toronto
    Dion Waiters
    Position: SG

    Height: 6-foot-4

    Weight: 215 pounds

    Age: 20

    School: Syracuse

    Analysis: The Raptors are filled with a roster of mostly soft
    jump shooters. What they really need is a tough player who can get to
    the basket and get his own shot at the end of games. They need a true
    scorer. DeMar DeRozan might get there someday, but Dion Waiters is
    there right now. The fact that Waiters can also play some point guard is
    a bonus. He could go anywhere from No. 6 to No. 15 on draft night.

     

    • voy

      waiters at 8 is really a stretch.  why would GS take sullinger when they already have Bogut and Lee?

    • Rob

      Thanks for that.

  • IROR

    still pumped…whether this pick is kept or not, Raps have a wealth of young talent that can be kept and bred for the long term or (some pieces) traded now to make this team competitive now.   When was the last time the Raptors organization had this many assets in player personnel?

  • Truthkiller

    If the list at 8 looks like this, who do you pick:

    – Perry Jones 
    – Jared Sullinger
    – Jeremy Lamb
    – Austin Rivers 
    – Terrence Ross

    I’m leaning PJ3, he’s got the most TALENT and UPSIDE and I’m sure the coaching staff can get his head in the game. 

    • Seeten

      I’d take Perry Jones, as A) our wing depth is right around 0, and our 3 spot is a wasteland, not to mention a frontcourt of Perry Jones at 3, Andrea at 4 and Valanciunas at 5 is monstrously large and long.

      I suspect we won’t be going PJ3 though.

    • Buschfire

       everyone is saying PJ3’s motor is no good…

      at 8 i would love to see in this order…
      Beal
      Barnes
      Lamb
      Waiters
      PJ3

      what about Marshall?

    • Nilanka15

      In this scenario, it’s a toss up between PJ3 and Lamb.

    • sleepz

      I’d take Lamb or Rivers. Ross is nice but not on a team with marginal talent like the Raps.

      Have a feeling that Colangelo is going to go with Rivers in this draft to have an alpha male taking the shots.

  • Jay.M

    Stern rigged this shit, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves, I read a comment where someone said that the Avengers is more believable than the NBA draft.

     First, it was the league owned Hornets vetoing the CP3 trade, and now it’s the league-owned Hornets rewarding themselves with the #1 pick. What’s next? Awarding them with the NBA championship trophy next season? It’s in Stern’s best interest to sell this team to an owner, and adding the #1 pick to the team only makes the price go up and the team more attractive to purchase. This draft reeks of more of Stern’s tampering. The genius of David “fucking” Stern strikes again.

    • Guest

      Frankly, you’re a moron.  Who cares that you read a comment somewhere?  I read a comment where someone said you being the product of hillbilly incest is more believable than the NBA draft.

      (You being the product of hillbilly incest is more believable than the NBA draft.  There.)

      You’re about a month and a half late to the party.  Adding the #1 pick to the team does not make the price go up, considering the price has already been set and the team sold barring any unforeseen circumstances.  Let us know, though, when the genius of Jay “fucking” M decides to show itself, if ever.

      • Jay.M

        More gutter-sniping from an anonymous online prick. If you don’t like my opinion then don’t read it, but even an idiot like you can’t understand such simplicity. 

        First the commish intervening in a trade, where if it went through, the Hornets wouldn’t even be a lottery team, and now the #1 pick to please the new owner. Who said I’m basing it on a single comment dummy?

        Go watch the deliverance or something and continue to profess your love affair with hillbilly incest.

        • Gman

          Gentlemen, easy on the sniping…I sway back and forth with the whole conspiracy thing.  I just recently had the process explained to me.  And basically everybody and their aunt has fingers on all levels of the process.  Unless you believe that all the GM’s are colluding together then it’s nigh unto impossible to effect the draft the way it’s done currently.

          • 511

            I agree with this, that it would seem most unlikely that the fix is in. It’s just that … if the NBA was wanting it to be as random as it’s supposed to be, how likely is it that the winner would always seem to make perfect sense for the NBA thinkers? Even considering the year WE won the first pick, there wasn’t a consensus first-pick that year. (So it could be imagined that they threw us a bone when it didn’t matter as much.) And each year, it seems to feel like the ‘randomness’ of the whole thing just … isn’t. So I don’t say that there is monkey business (who could prove it? It’d take a whistleblower) … and I understand how some say it’s foolish to even suspect that there is. BUT … that said, been around too long to just blindly accept that there would be no way to finagle the process. Maybe I read too many spy novels and such but … just because it’s ping-pong balls that ‘couldn’t be fixed’ or so one would think, and everything seems too far above-board to even question it … there is always a way, if somebody really wants to create one. The magic trick always seems like magic until you know how it’s done. Just saying. 

            • onemanweave

               Who would have said a referee would fix games — too many eyes in the sky, re-plays, supervisors, etc. etc. etc.
                 Apparently it happened and nobody fingered him til he confessed.

              • onemanweave

                 Also,  after the worst officiating scandal in pro sports history, how could the league continue to let refs interpret how they are going to call fouls — tight on stars and top teams, MUCH looser on rooks and Raps.
                   Wouldn’t a league with some kind of conscience want a straight interpretation of rules enforced, particularly after having been bitten by at least one of their rules-interpreters?

                • Bendit

                  I hope you realize that if the rule book was followed religiously there’d be a foul on just about every play.

                • onemanweave

                   The rulebook doesn’t have to be followed ‘religiously’ but it should be followed evenly.
                     What is a foul on Ajinca is a foul on Gaye is a foul on LeBron.
                    Situational ethics is a slippery slope in sports officiating and if a league sanctions selective ‘cheating’ on how calls are made, what else does it sanction?

                • Bendit

                  The tenor of your argument is conspiratorial (situational ethics and sanction) rather than  the occasional human predilection of giving the close call to the much superior and athletic player (there are probably at most 3-5 in the L) based on a “benefit of doubt” quick assessment. This is prevalent in all of the major team sports where instant evaluation and judgement is called for. In baseball there is a constant balls & strikes issue with similar application (the great high average hitters are favoured). You would not suggest, I dont think, that there is a centrally based sanctioning of such action? Discounting bad officiating or personal bias the  only logical conclusion should be human behaviour under circumstances of great immediacy, speed of action and sometimes doubt, that bias is shifted in favour of the great player involved. This is my preferred thinking on the subject in the absence of any concrete proof of the conspiracy. Besides the events you are concerned about do not happen all that often I dont think. And every team in the league feels their team is hard done by. If you dont believe me check the Celtics broadcast sometimes…and they have a few stars.

                • Nilanka15

                  +1

                  Great post.

                • onemanweave

                   Don’t feel the Raptors are ‘hard done by’ any more than other second-rate teams.
                     Some umpire bias towards established hitters, but not to the extent NBA stars are favored.
                     Great players do not require biased officiating. Perhaps officiating should be ’tilted’ the other way to level the playing field.
                     Watch a few Heat games, for example. If you do not see frequent examples of what I’m talking about, we’re watching a different game.
                     Maybe you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted completely on his own.
                     That’s OK, we just see things differently.

                • onemanweave

                  I would say it’s cultural, ingrained right in the fabric of the league as it exists, rather than bias shifted in favour of a great player.
                     Spontaneous applause given to a visiting star is a predilection. Cheap foul calls are a pattern.
                     Of COURSE, it’s sanctioned by league executives or it would cease, although you’d never drag it out of them, even by showing a two-hour clip of the marginal foul calls on players guarding Wade.

                • Bendit

                  Ever wondered why through the years there has never been an expose/book of such conspiracy by at least one umpire or referee (retired)? I am sure there have been a few disgruntled ones, dismissed or put to pasture before their time. An instant best seller?

                • onemanweave

                   I didn’t say it was instigated by the league. Just sanctdoned. It’s more an elephant in the room than a conspiracy.

                • Theswirsky

                  the interesting thing here is the league sits down with refs and relays how they want games reffed.  Including playoff series.  They may not say ‘Miami has to win’, but rather decide how tight or loose, how closely certain violations should be called etc all have an impact on teams and  games. 

                  They can easily benifit one team more than the other.

                  When we look at how the league has changed the rules over the years, its pretty clear they have given stars opportunities above and beyond average players.  (hand check rule, travelling, palming etc)

                  The league did little to prevent big market teams to have a superior edge to small market teams,  They (stern) took a nearly bankrupt business, changed the model and built a money maker on the back of big market teams and superstar players.
                   
                  We see the effect of these things in ratings… where Miami vs LA (or whoever) is much more profitable than SA vs Milwaukee (or whoever).  Where Blake Griffin is much more profitable than Paul Milsap.

                  At what point is it ‘human nature’ and at what point is it league influence?  Could a decades long influence create a culture around the league?  We believe it happens with teams… why not a league  

                • Theswirsky

                  was supposed to be a reply to bendit

                • CJT

                  Also, how do you explain the Raptors being one of the most profitable teams in the league? 

                • Bendit

                  Could you please link me some credible source re: the contents of your first para….specifically that the league sits with the referees of each playoff series and discusses how the “closely certain violations should be called”. Presumably they also suggest which players and team get special benefit? In other words  the playoffs are one big farce. Is that why the Sixers (a mediocre team) came within a whisker of going to the Conf, finals?…or was the fix in for the Celtics? …in the seventh game? How did LAL not win?

              • CJT

                the problem with your logic is that refs in basketball make bad calls all the time and that is considered normal due to the speed at which the games are played.  Make the odd bad call at critical moments could be easily passed off due to this.  Unlike the lottery.

                • onemanweave

                  There’s no problem at all with my logic, just your interpretation of it.
                     For those who say the lottery process is too well supervised to be fraudulent, I simply pointed out that we believe the conduct of game officials to be well supervised. In at least one case, it wasn’t.
                     Until the FBI scooped up the offender in a wider net, I didn’t believe an NBA ref was fixing games; you didn’t; David Stern didn’t.
                     Sometimes what we believe to be adequate supervision of a process isn’t.

                • CJT

                  Well I suppose I see the distinctino your making, but have to say that “we” didn’t necessarily think the refs were well supervised, and still don’t think that.  If calls can be so personally interpreted how can we think they are being closely monitored?  Anyway, I see your point and don’t agree.

                • onemanweave

                   You believe the league’s officials aren’t supervised  but its lottery is.

    • Nilanka15

      No matter which team won the lottery, someone was going to scream “conspiracy”.

      Charlotte – It’s MJ’s team and Stern and MJ are friends
      Brooklyn – They want to hype up the 2nd New York team
      Washington – The Nation’s capital deserves a boost during a financial crisis
      New Orleans – see above
      Portland – Blazers deserve it due to the lottery bad luck they’ve experienced over the years
      Blah, blah, blah.

      Sheer nonsense. 

      The Raptors had a 3.5% chance of winning the lottery, and some people are actually shocked it didn’t happen.  Statistics 101.

      • Matthew Nelson

        No no no.  The NO win would have ranked as the most ‘coincidental’ after their ownership woes, botched trades, losing CP3 and courting a new owner to take the team off the NBAs hands…the other scenarios are not even close.

        • Nilanka15

          How do you explain the numerous witnesses who actually saw the lottery take place (including members of the media)?  Are they all sworn to secrecy, or else punishable by death?

          • DRS

            Not that extreme, but if the Lakers got the finger from Stern, who would stop him?

            • Tesla

               Exactly, nothing can be done to stop this unless Colangelo -the new member of the competition committee- decides to take action.

      • Jay. M

        Statistics 101, like the Bulls winning Rose with a 1.8% chance.

        • Nilanka15

          We you “expecting” the Bulls to win with a 1.8% chance?  I’m guessing the answer is no.

          • Jay.M

            No, I wasn’t, no one did, and that’s my whole point isn’t it? A 98.2% chance they wouldn’t get the pick, and they did, the hometown hero, a franchise that hasn’t had a superstar since MJ in dire need of one, and boom it happens. Pro sports is a dirty, dirty business, as much as you like to think its all cheery and hunky dory.

            • Bendit

              So you believe Reinsdorf has bigger pull (paid more for the pick) than the Arison/Riley tandem (Miami picked 2nd)? Consps. are good in politics, Vatican intrigue and spy stories but managing the physics to alter the airlift/fall of plastic numbered balls in just the required sequence, in an enclosed chamber with about 20 onlookers is a bit different, dont you think?

              ps…do you think MJ the beloved and the 80s saviour of the L might have warranted a bit of help from his svengali  these past few years?  

              • Jay.M

                I’m not suggesting anyone paid for picks, and Arison had a superstar in Wade, and a championship ring to boot. We don’t know what it’s like to be in that room, hasn’t been televised since the folded envelope scandal. Nothing about altering physics, and no team knows where they’re picking until Mr.Silver opens the envelope with the team’s logo inside.

                • Raps4Ever

                  The Reps for each lottery team, that witness it, do know, which is why they’re not allowed out until the announcements.
                  For those who talk “Stern Conspiracy”, may I pose a question: How can the 4 balls that came up to define the “pre-determined”  winner, be placed back in the machine and nor keep coming back up? If such a “fix” was in, they’d never be able to determine who the 2nd and 3rd picks belong to.

    • Copywryter

      Your tinfoil hat is too snug. Stern might be an asshole, but it’s your argument that’s shit.

      • Jay. M

        Never heard what your argument was, so why do you feel entitled to say what’s shit?

  • Acc334

    I’m sad K Leonard is already a better all around player than derozan :(

    • Kujo

      It’s laughable that guys like Jan Vesley, Fredette, Alec Burks, and the Morris twins were drafted before Leonard.  A lot a GMs dropped the ball on this kid.

      He’s a future all-star.  

      • Truthkiller

        I think Burks has a shot at being a solid player but everyone else on that list is a JOKE.

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    D.Casey: We will trade the 8 pick for a Veteran to Win Now !

    Boooooom !! Ed Davis is gone !

    • Giancarlo

      I hope that whoever we draft will replace Bargnani.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        You can hope as much as you can, won’t happen. Keep hating LOL

        • Nilanka15

          By that logic, are you an Ed Davis hater?

          • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

            Nope, that’s what Casey said Trade 8 + player to get a Veteran ready to win now.

            If you like I can change it

            Boooom !! AJ is gone ! (I would keep AJ and pack ED)

      • NyAlesund

         Replace Bargnani for Ed Davis…………………omg….

  • JHP

    Not sure if the draft is rigged but I hope they trade the pick for a veteren or a pick next year.  I’m sick and tired of listening to people say DD,Davis,Amir,most of the team need time to develop and get the NBA.  5 years from now DD may still be a work in progress. Maybe they should trade the pick away and leave JV in Europe for another year.  That way the kid does not have to pay the buyout, matures a bit and we can tank for another year.  The bar has now been set at about 10 wins to really be in the lottery.  And of course it’s great to have players that are healthy from June to October LOL. 

    • FAQ

      Tank now… win later is a rational strategy… but the tribal honking fans want wins NOW otherwise they can’t jerk off in public at the ACC.

      • RaptorFan

        Tanking only breeds a losing culture….. we’re already living in a losing culture! LOL…..Dont you think its time to start winning??  do you think winning is a switch that you can just turn on?  all you tank fans can F**K OFF!!  LOSERS for life huh?  6 years aren’t enough losing for you guys????

    • RaptorFan

      Tanking only breeds a losing culture….. we’re already living in a losing culture! LOL…..Dont you think its time to start winning?? do you think winning is a switch that you can just turn on? all you tank fans can F**K OFF!! LOSERS for life huh? 6 years aren’t enough losing for you guys????

  • Kujo

    Yeah, I think we need to draft PJ3 if he’s still on the board.  It fills a desperate need.  I wouldn’t be opposed to trading the pick either. 

    • voy

      PJ3 as a sf is a tricky prospect, I think.  its one thing to have great ball handling skills for a 6’11 guy and its another thing all together to have great ball handling skills playing as a sf in the nba. 

      plus, for the raps, if PJ3 does prove to be legit, I think a front court of JV, AB and PJ3 will have its challenges.  however, if PJ3 proves he can excel at the 4 I think you have a really, really interesting 5/4 combo with JV and PJ3.  I think these guys really compliment each others’ skill set. 

      you know, if JV and PJ3 prove they can reach their potential, I think then, again, you need to explore trading Bargs.  In a year or two, if PJ3 and JV both show they can play 30 minutes a game, there is little point in keeping all 3 and splitting their minutes so each gets 20-25 minutes a game.  I like AB alot.  I think he’s shown he can play 30+ minutes a game in the nba and  I think there will be a pretty good market for him.

      • Nilanka15

        PJ3 already has better handles than DeRozan, lol.

      • Destro

        lol @ 6’11

        • Tesla

          nbadraft.net: Perry Jones, 6’11”, 235

          DraftExpress.com: Perry Jones, 6’10.5″ (6’11”), 220

          ESPN: Perry Jones, 6’11”, 235

  • Trich

    Robinson falling to 8!!! I’m o.k. with that.

  • NyAlesund

    8 pick. As we expected. Now we have to understand what kind of player Colangelo and Casey  want.

    I am really happy for the Bobcats…… They wanted to play an horrible season, only 7 win, for what? For Drummond or anybody else??????????

    I think is useless to complain about certain victories, (even the Wizard lost a position) now is important to pick a a good one, there are, and make a good movementes and acquisitions.

    Now is a time to work and improve the roster’s talent.

  • Dc

    Trade the pick? Are you guys fucking serious? Who you gonna trade for iggy,granger,Lowry. O yea two fringe all stars, depending on the season. That will def get a championship to Toronto sometime soon. Nope how bout bc needs to get fired immediantly if he trades this pick. You don’t trade out of one of the best drafts in recent memory, for a fringe all star player. Have y’all learned anything from the playoffs? Superstars own this league u need one if u want to win a championship. Or we can trade the pick and become the new atl hawks and let the heat bulls sack us off every year.

    • Theswirsky

      people’s patience wears thin very fast.  They expect quick results…… they mentally give up and support something bad for them long term just to get a some short term relief. 

      Just look to the amount of Ontarians who voted for an admitted neo-conservative Albertan purist because they were tired of elections?  Who cares about keeping jobs in Ontario when you can avoid waiting in line for 30 minutes every couple years?

      Raps fans are no different.  Tired of losing, even though 6 months ago they were talking ‘patience’, yet somehow now its time to make the playoffs.  Ofcourse the consequencs of that is mortgaging the future.  But waiting 1 shortened season with insignificant roster change is a rebuild and good enough.  Woot can’t wait to be the Milwaukee Bucks or Houston Rockets!  Now those are teams everyone can get behind……

      • FAQ

        The most athletic thing the tribal honking fans do is masturbate .. daily.

        When the THF’s “get’s no satisfaction” from the Raps, they delude, damn and then disappear.

        Hey… that neo-conservative Albertan has been fair and good to Ontario.  Would you, I presume an Ontarian, prefer a failed and defrocked socialist Ontario ex-premier, or, another RC lawyer from Quebec as your PM of Canada?

        • Gman

          STOP STARING IN MY WINDOW YOU PERV!!!!!!

          But seriously…I agree that they need to continue to do things the right way.  Unfortunately attendance was down significantly this year and they are being pressured by management to excite the casual fan base.  

          There still has to be a way to do this without mortgaging the future of the team and damning it to three or four years of mediocrity.

          NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO PUT UP THICKER CURTAINS!!!
          😉

      • RaptorFan

        THANK YOU!!!

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      Ask D Casey about it. He said it

      • Dc

        Then d Casey deserves to get fired along with him. Fringe all stars don’t win u ships. They turn u into the hawks or the sixers or the suns. Who cares if ur in the playoffs your not gonna win any way.

        • Destro

          Whos a fringe all star on this team ?
          First off thats a bullshit codeword..cuz ur either a star or ur not but if you wanna play by codewords then Josh Smith or Rudy Gay are fringe all stars…guys that deserved but got snubbed…

          bargnani has about 12 fringe all stars between him and the actual accolade itself…

          • Dc

            Who cares and were are Rudy gay and josh smith on 2 clubs that are likely to get to the playoffs but not gonna win championships. Listen man I don’t like bargs neither. I’d trade him straight up for a pick in the twentys. All I’m saying is that u win ships with superstars not fringe all stars like gay and granger or iggy. U get these guys to p ush you to championship caliber not to Become mediocre. And u damn sure don’t trade the eight pick in one of the deepest drafts in recent history unless ur a middling team to get pushed to close to championship caliber. Not rebuilding team going to mediocre.

            • Destro

              I care because IT MATTERS…

              problem with your theory is its faulty,in THIS draft you dont trade #1 pick….if someones willing to overpay for 8 you do it….whether it be some players or swapping of picks…IMO nothing after 1 is untradeable….i dont this draft will turn out to be as deep as everyone thinks….fact that BC thinks it is lets me know it wont….

              • cesco

                At # 8 in this year draft you have a small chance to pick someone who could become an all star . Look at the 2006 draft ( a poor draft year) when Gay was taken at # 8 and  Rondo at # 24 . That is the chance BC will take and the only chance for quite some time ( unless he gets very lucky with a lower pick in coming years ) to land an  all-star . Trades and FA’s won’t do it .

    • Raps Loyalist

       I say trade the #8 pick to Sac for Tyreke Evans.  They need to clear space in their backcourt for I. Thomas and Ferdette.  A fresh start with the Raps could really help him out, he’s a big strong defender that can attack the rim and play either the PG or SG so he’d fit well with this team and he’s still young so it doesn’t compromise building for the longer term.

      • FAQ

        He dont wanna come to Canada.  He wanna stay in da hood….

      • Rus

         selfish headcase, you really want that?

    • RaptorFan

      +1

      Finally some common sense….i would NOT trade this pick….. I don’t care if its Iggy, Granger or Lowry…… lets develop our own talent (Just like Seattle/OKC did)….and get a good/great coach to show them how to play basketball please!
      Lets get our talent up and then consider trading or getting a vet through free agency

      Thanks,

  • Bendit

    Just desserts for the Nets…those wankers kept tanking at the end so they didnt have to give up their pick to Portland (top 3 protected). Mission failure!! That trade for Wallace was one of themore assinine ones in memory…and he is also likely to opt out!

    • Rus

       Even if BC mucks up this summer, He is still far better than Billy King!

  • John

    Question for Everyone here:

    1) NO
    2) Bobcats
    3) Washington
    4) Cleveland
    5) Kings
    6) Portland
    7) Golden State

    What is the realistic chance of any of these teams be interested on a package of :

    Ed Davis + #8 pick
    OR 
    Amir Johnson + #8 pick

    For their first round pick ?? With which of these teams will you do this trade ?

    • c_bcm

       It would only make sense to do that with any of the top 3. And even then, not sure its that much better than where we are at (except for #1 obviously). We can get a solid rookie at 8, and use our cap space to address other issues.

    • Destro

      NOne of the top 5 would do that….

    • Luca

      Amir’s contract has no value around the league.  I would say next to none.  He’s a 1st or 2nd big off the bench who makes starter money.

      And Davis, it’s all potential with him and has done next to nothing thus far.

      I would say any team above the Raps would refuse either of these guys to move down.

    • Rus

       What if they included Schenn and Kadri?

  • Canadian Paul

    Geez, wonder how those 2 late-season wins against Boston and Atlanta feel now. Instead of being 8th, we would’ve been tied for 4th. Yes, that same 4th that just won the lottery.

    Sell the pick. No one is going to come in and make this team win games. Ed Davis, Forbes and the pick for Rudy Gay?

    • Copywryter

      How long would it be until the mercurial Rudy Gay was in Casey’s doghouse? I’d put the over-under at 10. Very nice player some of the time.

  • Kevin

    Take Rivers and play him at PG?

    • 2damkule

      imo, one doesn’t become a PG just because that’s the role he’s put into…he either is one or he isn’t.

    • sleepz

      Rivers is a 2. He plays like it thinks like it and takes shots like it. Distribution and running an offence is not his forte. If you take him he has to play at the 2, with DeRozan moving to the 3 or moving on.

  • CalgaryRapsFan

    Hope is not lost, as there is still plenty of value in the #8 pick in a very good draft pool, whether the value is in the draft pick or trade value of the pick.

    Here’s just one possible way to turn the disappointment of picking @ #8 into some serious hope for next season and beyond!

    1) TRADE #8 pick & DeRozan & Amir & JJ to Memphis for #25 pick & Gay

    2a) TRADE #37 pick & #56 pick for a late 1st round pick
    2b) “BUY” a late 1st round pick (could also include #56 pick)

    3) TRADE #25 pick & 2nd 1st round pick (from 2a/2b) for a mid 1st round pick –> use that pick to draft a PG (hopefully Marshall slides) or a SG

    LINEUP AFTER DRAFT
    C: Valanciunas, ???
    PF: Bargnani, Davis
    SF: Gay, Kleiza
    SG: ???, Forbes
    PG: Calderon, Marshall

    – under scenario 2b, the Raps would still have the #37 pick to add another rookie
    – $7M TPE available to be used before July 1st
    – barring additional moves, the Raps would still have about $8M in cap space as of July 1st  (how good would Batum look in that starting lineup @ $8M per???)
    – once cap space is used up, Raps would still have MLE and Veteran exception available to use to sign free agents (MLE for backup SG/6th man and Vet exception for backup C???)

    Lots of good can come for the Raptors with the #8 pick!!!

    • Destro

      I think DeRozan,Amir and #8 is too much for Rudy and 25….

      I like Rudy but no way id overpay to get him…i think DD can do what he does right now…..i wasnt that impressed these playoffs….

      Overpay for a top tier PG,C,SG not for a second tier SF

      • Nilanka15

        But what are the odds of a “top tier” player being available?

        I would seriously consider DeRozan/Amir/#8 for Gay/#25….although, I would prefer to keep Amir, and throw in Davis instead.

        • CalgaryRapsFan

          Who knows whether Memphis would prefer Amir or Davis.  Amir strikes me as a more similar player to Randolph, to give them continuation across starters and 2nd unit.  I am indifferent from a Raptors perspective (slightly prefer Davis for being younger, having more potential and being cheaper), but like including Amir to balance out salaries a little more, thus leaving the Raptors with more cap space.

          • Destro

            Z-Bo is a legit 20/10 All star theres no resemblance to Amir in any way….theres games are nothing alike lol

            Amir cant hit shots and is lanky Z Bo can shoot and post up use both hands and is bulky…..do you even watch b ball ?

            • CalgaryRapsFan

              First, I don’t appreciate the hostility.

              Second, I never said they were on equal footing, as I clearly stated that Amir was a 2nd unit player, whereas ZBo has been an all-star calibur starter.  Third, I would argue that they both play an inside game that is predicated on hustle, banging bodies and pulling down rebounds.  Memphis fans love ZBo and Toronto fans love Amir for the same reason, which is their all-out, blue-collar, bring-your-lunchpail-to-work style of play.

              My only point was that Amir’s style of play would allow Memphis to play a more similar style of game when ZBo is on the bench with Amir as his backup, than they would if Ed Davis was his backup.

              Just because two players are mentioned in the same sentence, don’t assume the person writing that sentence is suggesting the two are equal.  I suggest reading the entire post and thinking about it before responding in the future.

              • Rob

                Reading the entire post is a tall task for Dumstro, which is why his responses are always idiotic, off-topic, and littered with insults.

                • Lorenzo

                   *Dipshitstro

                • Rob

                  Thanks, I meant Dipshitstro.

        • Destro

          None so you dont make the move DUH

          • CalgaryRapsFan

            If none are available via free agency, wouldn’t that support the idea of making a move?

            I believe Nilanka was saying that it’s unlikely a stud can be signed, to we need to overpay slightly in a trade to acquire one.  So if you agree that free agency isn’t a likely route, then you would seem to be in agreement with making the proposed trade…

            • Nilanka15

               +1

          • Nilanka15

            Hey, aren’t you the guy who said the Spurs would suck come playoff time?  lol

      • CalgaryRapsFan

        You have to give up quality to get quality.  Too often fans tend to overvalue players on their home team.

        Mayo > DeRozan

        #8 > #25

        Amir – salary matching/dump (he’s fighting Davis just to be our 2nd string PF and I think he’s reached his full potential)

        JJ – super overrated by many Raps fans, expiring contract to give Memphis an offense (DD) /defense (JJ) combo at SF, similar to what they already have at SG (Mayo/Allen).

        I actually think it’s a pretty fair trade from both sides.  If anything, Memphis might not think it’s enough of a return for Gay (or might prefer Davis over Amir to save more money).

    • FAQ

      U.S. mama boyz dont wanna come to Canada… they wanna stay in da hood….

      Raptors look more and more like an international team… now if we could find some Canadian talent……

    • luca

      That roster gets you 30 wins tops.

      Until this teams adds toughness on the interior, the rest of the moves mean very little. 

  • Destro

    So Chad Ford thinks a rookie will get to the line more than 5 times a game and jump over DeRozan in the pecking order….confirmation why i dont read him yet again…

    Im ok with alot of the DD criticism but of all the ones to use (his defense,lack of rebounding,etc etc) you go with something thats not true (FTA’s)

    smh

    • sleepz

      Syracuse players scare me. Outside of Anthony and DC I am hard pressed to find too many of their grads that turned out to be good pros.

      • Statement

        Leo Rautins!

        • Nilanka15

          Andy Rautins!

        • sleepz

          My bad. How could I forget Leo. lol

      • Destro

        Add Kris Joseph to the list ! BAM !

  • KJ-B

    I dunno, they said last year’s draft was a bust and the ALL ROOKIE team was very talented… Valunciunas in some ways, has somethings that Anthony Davis does not… I feel the Raps shouldn’t really look for a starter but for a guy who can light it up off the bench, like an Austin Rivers or even that Lillard… Be done with Bayless, trade Jose if possible on draft night and start there…

    • KJ-B

      basically, a younger version of Leandro Barbosa, but if that player learns some point and could develop into that–not a bad secondary benefit.

  • KJ-B

    As far as looking like a Raptor, a la Camby, McGrady and eventually Bosh, the pick would have to be Perry Jones III… I feel he at forward is much like an Austin Rivers type, who have a lot better NBA game–with the no hand-checking rule, than NCAA… Remember how ppl questioned Rudy Gay but he had a world of talent… 

    Two players, I wouldn’t pass on Rivers #1, Perry #2 if available.

  • Mike

    Not a big fan of Lamb or PJ3’s game. If Beal could slip to eight that would be huge for us. If he’s gone a change of tempo point guard that can run the pick roll would be great, then aquire a better SF via trade or free agency.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TRPH647AXY5T5XHXI2AFSG3XHA OvertheWall

    I do not want to see Bargnani in the lineup please.  As long as this guy is here, this team is garbage. 

    I do not want to see the name “Austin Rivers“ either, because he will turn into another ball hog for the Toronto Raps.

    Peace.

    • RapthoseLeafs

       well …. I think we’re gonna have to throwyouoverthewall for picking on Barney like that.
      .

  • Curt

    PJ3, end of story. He can play SF, it was a piss poor decision by coaching at Baylor to have him on occasion play center, but mostly at the 4, he is not a PF! The guy is most dangerous as a 3! He doesn’t post-up, he’s an athletic, talented shooter, and his physical attributes combined with talent allow him to be a match-up problem, and he can defend positions 1-4. If desire is the biggest of his problems, which is a non-issue, then you draft this guy all day, Bargs is a robot compared to this guy and he still puts up decent numbers. DC will mould him into a superstar. PJ3 alllllll day, SF spot solved.

  • RapthoseLeafs

    .
    I think we should pick the 8th best guy.
    .

  • Statement

    The Wins Produced system at wages of wins is flagging Jae Crowder as a steal in the draft.

    Food for thought….last year the system flagged Kenneth Faried and Kawhi Leonard.

  • Mike

    Moe Harkless?

  • Bendit

    Is there a problem with site access to the forums?