What? Draft Party

When? June 28, 7pm

Where? St. Louis Bar and Grill – Yonge/College

Will there be prizes? No

Why do I care? Because you like the Raptors and are programmed to care

Who’s going to be there? Other people

What food will be served there? My guess is beer, wings, and diet coke if you’re the fancy type

Who will the Raptors draft? Somebody you will boo

What about prizes? What about them?

What games will be there? We’ll hand out a draft sheet and you’ll fill your picks in, if you get some of them right, we’ll comp drinks/meal

Who should the Raptors draft? They should trade the pick. Or move up

Seriously, who are the Raptors going to draft? Probably Dion Waiters

NBA Finals tonight. I hope for the sake of all that is good in this world that OKC wins. It would be a triumph for winning the right way, as opposed to just signing highly cunty free-agents. OKC is what every club’s roadmap is – draft intelligently, get the right free-agents, get a little lucky, and peak at the same time. It’s a plain formula that’s no secret to anyone, but executing it is altogether another matter. What if Portland had taken Durant, what if Westbrook had been traded, what if Harden would’ve slipped…there’s too many pieces in OKC’s puzzle that have just come together at the right time, and you would think lady luck is on their side.

They’ve gone through the Lakers, Mavericks, and Spurs – all Champions past. This run is unprecedented and I feel, unstoppable. I am looking forward to seeing the Ibaka/Bosh, Durant/James, Sefolosha/Wade matchups, hell, every matchup is great. This should be a cracking series that should make the LBJ-led Heat a nice 0-2 in the Finals. Come to think of it, that’s actually more pleasing to me than if they had lost to Boston. Schadenfreude.

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    Draft a Drazen Petrovic if available. Shooters needed

    Heat hater ready to watch the Thunders against “The 2 and half bananas”

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      CB is in another NBA Finals while AB is known as No Star- a 13 game wonderkind….

      What did BC get in return for CB again?lmfao

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        Why are you talking about CB4. I m not changing that 38pt on your lover mate. Do you miss him ? Check your Rupaul stats tonight:

        -5 reb in 33 min
        -1/3 from threeeeeee
        -(-16)
        -freaking N.Collison 10 reb (+13)  in 21 min

        dont forget 6 years/110 mil 

        Mate, not tonight, not tonight

  • voy

    and the winner for best use of the word “cunty” in an article is….

    Arsenalist!! 

    Sorry, no trophy for the award but enjoy the Caddy’s voucher good for 6 free lapdances from any chick with preganancy scars,  stretch marks or gunshot wounds.

  • sleepz

    OKC management swapped out “lady luck” for wise decisions, exceptional player assessment and patience. Every great team has required a great situation whether it be by drafting, trading or acquiring FA’s. Any way you build it, it all requires great timing.

    Heat in 6.

    • voy

      yeah, I seriously think james cheapened the championship experience by running to play with wade and its such a shame cuz he is unstoppable when he decides to take the ball to the bucket.  he would have won in cleveland.  a few rings with the cavs and he would have to be considered in the running for best of all time (depending on the number of championships, who he played with etc etc).  Now, he’ll never have more rings than bosh and wade will always have one more. 

      Despite, the number of rings he wins playing with wade and bosh, I dont know if you’ll be able to place lebron ahead of even kobe or wade from an all-time perspective (if things play out in their current trajectory).  such a shame really cuz no one ever has possessed the combination of skills, size, speed, strength and athleticism that lebron has. 

      • sleepz

        Why do you say that?

        No one questions Bird’s or Magic’s rings and they played with outstanding teammates as well.

        Many don’t like the way how the Heat assembled their team but at the end of the day as a FA you are free to choose where you want to play. I don’t think at the end of any players career that you look at your rings as cheapened. It’s hard to win a ring, period. From an all-time perspective Lebron James will still go down as one of the greats. Remember, Kobe and Wade won some rings with having Shaq around. You need to play with other good players to win in this league.

        • mountio

          I agree completely. Lebron is already ahead of Wade historically for sure. Perhaps not Kobe yet (the guy does have 5 rings, not to mention something like 15 straight years of very solid performance). But – if I was to guess .. Lebron ends up ahead of Kobe all time, despite the fact he might only have one or 2 rings. The guy is playing at the highest level right now arguably of any player we have ever seen (Wilt and MJ have good arguments .. but its a discussion for sure).
          If Bosh and Wade were carrying the team, then your argument might be more valid (as was at least somewhat the case with Wade last year) .. but right now, Lebron is so clearly superior to each of those guys that the whole argument about Lebron riding their coattails just doesnt hold water any longer …

          • sleepz

            +1

            The only thing I will say is no one will ever be put in front of MJ imho, Lebron included.

            Complete package and game, burning desire to trounce his opponents and no greater will to win than Mike.

          • Brain Colangelo

            Wilt may end up being a good comparison as a brilliant individual talent but not a winner.

            Is Lebron a winner?

        • voy

          can you imagine bird and magic leaving boston and LA to play with dominique in atl?  I know its not a perfect comparision on both sides of the lebron argument but it hard to argue this move would have benefited either bird or magic regardless of the success they found in atl.  Or maybe a better comparison would be michael leaving chicago to play in detroit with isiah and dumars.  its hard to think michael would be as highly regarded now as he would have been if he ran to detroit.

          I def think lebron’s rings in miami, if he wins, will be cheapened.  i’m not saying its easy to win a ring but there are cheap ways to go about in trying to win a championship, I think.

          Lebron had superhero status.  In cleveland he was facing and overcoming insurmountable odds.  He was like Atlas taking the world of cleveland on his back.  Watching him run from the challenge of taking the cavs to the championship was like watching superman run away from metropolis and fighting zod to take up residence in Gotham so he can fight the penguin with batman and robin.  I mean, if he wins a championship in miami then fine, good for him. you defeated the penguin with batman and robin, but zod is still waiting for you in cleveland.

          • Nilanka15

            lol @ at the superhero references.  I’m not critiquing you…they actually made me laugh.

          • mountio

            I think you are living in the past. People are ALREADY (just over a year later) saying that OKC has a better big three than Miami. And, if you consider that Lebron is better than Durant (most would agree as the current and three time MVP of the league) – that means that Westbrook / Harden are >> Wade and Bosh.
            So, how again are his championships tarnished if he beats a team that a) has a better “big three” and b) has a better supporting cast?
            If Miami was rolling through the league and it was universally agreed that the big three were all, say, top 10 players in the league, then you might have a point. But, considering that another team already has a better big three – how can we point to Lebron and

            • Gman

              I think the big 3 in Miami are better than the big 3 in OKC…but I think OKC are a MUCH better team.  They play like a team and not a highlight reel and that’s why they’re going to win.

              • mountio

                I might agree with you .. but Ill tell ya .. if you listen to sports radio and read what people are writing, a LOT of people think the OKC big three is better than the Miami one (in part because of the things you note about the whole team .. they fit better together, complement eachother, etc.)

                • Gman

                  I agree with that…I’m talking purely from an individual talent perspective.

            • mountio

              meant to finish with the fact that another team has a better big three and a better supporting cast – if thats the case, how can we call Lebron’s title tarnished?

            • voy

              his championships are tarnished because (1) he tapped out trying to win in cleveland and (2) he ran to the city he thought gave him the best chance to manufacture a championship.  it doesn’t matter if okc may or may not have a better big 3.  i dont know if you can tag someone as the best one, two or three players of all time when he punked out on a universe where he was the sun and all the other players orbited around him.

              I really like the mj example here.  would history regard michael with the same regard if he gave up on chicago after a handful of seasons and ran to detroit?

              maaaybe it was a bit of a stretch to say “I dont know if you can place lebron ahead of wade from a historical perspective”.  My argument is lebron had a real chance to be the best of all time.  I think that possibility took a huge hit when lebron ran to miami. 

              what happens if okc wins the championship, does durant leapfrog lebron as the best player in the world and better than him from a historical perspective?  if lebron stayed in cleveland this would be a completely ridiculous question.  In he stayed in cleveland and played out his career there the only question would be who was better, lebron or michael? not who was better lebron, durant, kobe or wade?

              • CJT

                It all kind of reeks like the NY Yankees to me.  The thought of buying a championship versus developing your own talent is where the difference is for me.  I like that OKC has grown organically.

                • sleepz

                  Ok, but do you hear anyone criticizing Jeter or A. Rod or Riveria for playing on a team that goes ut and gets players?

                  Will their legacies be tarnished because they played on ultra stacked teams?

                • Morgan

                  Well, A-Rod gets his fair share of criticism, but Jeter, Rivera, Petitte, Posada, Cano, etc were all home-grown talent, they didn’t come together during a free agency period, and baseball is different in this case in that virtually every position needs to be at a near all-star level to compete annually. 

                  For all the talk about the Yankees “buying championships” most of their core guys were drafted and developed by themselves. Regardless, I see baseball as a different business, there is no level playing field when it comes to how much a team can spend, and thats why you get a RedSox-Yankee spending spree almost every offseason.

                • CJT

                  A Rod gets tons.  He’s the LeBron of baseball to many. 

              • sleepz

                I don’t think its fair to say he punked out in leaving Cleveland. That organization was mismanaged. Had he of signed with a team like Houston for instance, would you be saying the same things about him?

                Look back at those Cleveland teams. It’s a miracle they made it as far as they did. Why as a player do I want to continue to play with an organization that hasn’t indicated they can put the right pieces together to win?

                The days of past when a player was drafted by a team and played his entire career there is over. It was a good thing mind you because fan bases were deeply invested in teams because there was continuity but this is a business and Lebron made the best decision he felt for his future.

                GM’s trade players without hesitatation. As a player when I have my chance to control my destiny I gotta do what works for me, regardless of what anyone thinks.

                • voy

                  there is no way cleveland management took a shit without asking lebron’s permission first.  i’m sure everything management did was not without Lebron’s opinions and insights, which makes him bailing on cleveland even worse.

                  if Lebron went to houston he’d still have the rap of giving up on cleveland but at least the stink of collusion wouldn’t be in the air, and, in my opinion, it wouldn’t cheapen a championship run as much, if at all.

                  when i think of lebron, I’m not holding him to the same standards that I hold other ball players to.   I’m not saying “well, steve novak signed with the ny knicks so he can play with carmello and try and win a championship, so its ok for lebron to run to miami and play with wade and bosh to try and win the title”.  I readily admit that.  It may not be fair but when determining best player of all time you cant hold these guys to the same standards you hold the steve novaks to.    These guys are bigger than the game of basketball.  Lebron was superman in cleveland. now he is a ball player in miami.

                • Theswirsky

                  “sure everything management did was not without Lebron’s opinions and insights”

                  so Lebron should be held accountable for management full of pussies?  That was managements fault, not Lebrons.  They allowed him to grow up in their organization as a spoiled brat… and you wonder why in the end he had little respect for them.  Its not a suprise to me.

                  Lebron was superman in Cleveland, and now he is superman in Miami.  The Heat are nothing without him… they are just another middle of the pack team.

                  People don’t need to like they guy.  People can choose to not respect his decisions.  But anyone who thinks that changes his ability to play basketball is being ridiculous.    

                  That cleveland organization was completely stupid.  An owner who was only worried about his investment and how much money Lebron could make him.  GMs who had alot of freedom to spend but then proceeded to obtain some of the worst contracts in NBA history.   Why would anyone want to stay there?  Has anyone heard Dan Gilbert speak, or watched the players they surrounded Lebron with?

                  Cleveland fans should want that entire organization overhauled, and the media should be lambasting Cleveland management and ownership for bungling one of the greatest opportunities in sports history.

                • voy

                  i’m not saying lebron has to be accountable for whatever missteps management made.  However, I am saying this notion Lebron left because he had a different vision than management doesn’t hold any water… unless that vision included quitting on cleveland to play with wade.

                  i dont think you can say “why would lebron want to stay in cleveland after they signed jamison to a horrible 15 million a year contract” when for sure management went to lebron and said “we can get jamison for 15 mill. should we do it?  also I need to sqeeze out a duece. do I have your permission”.

                • Theswirsky

                  and Lebron had how many years experience as an NBA executive, managment or decision maker?  Does that even sound like its a good idea?

                  When a parent asks their 7 year old what the family should have for dinner and the kid answers ice cream… exactly who is to blame when they have ice cream for dinner?

                  If management/ownership felt obligated to ask Lebron’s permission, and do everything Lebron demanded, than the problem is with management and ownership.

                • voy

                  you dont think the same thing happened with wade in miami before lebron and now with lebron?

                • Theswirsky

                  Pat Riley doesn’t strike me as a pushover

                • mountio

                  Holy shit! The sky must be falling! Swirsk and I agree 100% on something!!

                • Theswirsky

                  haha

                  that either means we are incredibly right, or incredibly wrong…..

                • sleepz

                  That’s unfair voy. An NBA championship is an NBA championship no matter how you achieve it. Bosh has been hurt for majoirty of the playoffs and Wade has been inconsistent. If it was so easy they woulnd’t be the underdog in this series (which they will win by the way). He still had to be superman in Miami for them to get to the Finals.

                  As for greatest of all times, no matter what he does at this point he can’t eclipse MJ.

                • voy

                  i think a ring in cleveland would have meant more from a historical perspective.  I’m not taking away the fact that Lebron is the best player in the world and he’s been playing in beast mode but when its all said and done I think we are comparing taking a 17 win team to the championship title vs winning that championship with bosh and wade.  in my opinion, history would have regarded the former in higher esteem.

                • mountio

                  Probably true. It would have also held him in the highest esteem if he started his own franchise with 4 other d-leaguers. But, that doesnt change the fact that if they win this years title, it will be one of the ALL-TIME performances by an individual (not a duo, not a trio)

                • CJT

                  I agree with you here.  Can’t stand him as he is a spoiled brat and the Cav’s and the fans are all part of that, they contributed to his self important opinion of himself.  He is the best player in basketball and I suppose we want those types of heros to do the right thing, but he is still a boy from a maturity standpoint, one who has had everyone telling him how great he is since he was 13 or something.  What did we all expect would happen.  What would any of us do if we were offered the easy way?

              • mountio

                I get it. He left like a bitch .. I dont disagree with that for a second. So, dont like him as a person, think hes a weasel, all of that is fair game. But, if he leads his team to the championship the way hes been leading this team, with as little help as hes been getting from the Big other 2 and his supporting cast .. it will rightfully go down as one of the all time performances and have no tarnish at all in my view

            • Brain Colangelo

              The 3 thunder players fit together better because two of them space the floor with their shooting and all are effective without the ball.

          • sleepz

            I think you’re fixated on the “leaving” of Clevland. Shaq left Orlando to win a few rings in LA and Miami and no one says a thing.

            Leaving Cleveland was the best move for him. He didn’t do it in a professional or classy way but he didn’t force his way out. He was an unrestriced free agent and decided it was time for him to move. The wisdom of this decision is indicative in the fact that his team is making it’s 2nd trip to the Finals in the two years since he has left. If they win it this year, which I think they will (there’s usually somewhat a pecking order and gained maturity in the evolution of an NBA champ), there will be no asterisk next to his title. He will be an NBA champion which very few athletes can say.

        • Gman

          Yeah but both Bird and Magic came out against the situation in Miami…so did Jordan, Chuck…and anybody else whose an icon in basketball because it was collusion plain and simple, and because it was bad for the game…

          Thunder in 6!!

          • sleepz

            They did but that doesn’t make them right. They played on stacked teams that had the talent already assembled so it’s easy to knock it when thats the scenario.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Do you really believe what you just wrote?

        What do you know about any type of championship experience- sitting on the sidelines with no guidelines….smh

    • raptors

      thunder in 6

      durant>lebron
      westbrook>wade
      ibaka>bosh
      perkins>haslem/anthony
      harden>chalmers
      scott brooks>eric spoelstra

      • Nilanka15

        Durant > Lebron?  How do you figure?

        • raptors

          more clutch, and can actually play in the 4th quarter without choking.

          • Nilanka15

            Does that mean that Lebron is the better player during the remaining 75% of a ballgame?

            • raptors

              no, it means he’s not good when it counts. anyways durant is a better scorer, better rebounder, better shot-blocker and has the killer instinct.

              • Lorenzo

                No way. The only thing Durant is better than Lebron at is scoring (jumpshots); of those things you listed.

                Lebron is also a much better defender and shot blocker. The guy has averages close to a triple-double for HIS CAREER.

                • raptors

                  he rebounds better, and averages more blocks per game. lebron is a better distributor…..kicking it to haslem or miller for the final shot of the game LOL! he’s a stat-stuffer, almost 10 years in the league and still no ring.

                  they couldnt beat the mavs last season. ibaka will do for the thunder what chandler did for the mavs. chasing around westbrook will also be more harder than chasing around terry. durant can spread the floor just as well as nowitzki, lebron will run out of gas playing heavy minutes chasing durant running off tough perkin screens. OKC in 6 book it

                • Lorenzo

                  That was also my prediction.
                  But… Lebron > Durant

                • raptors

                  as an all-around two way player, yes. but I’ll take the young clutch closer over the stat stuffer anytime. of course, lebron’s performance in these finals can change my mind but I doubt it. durant will outshine lebron in these finals

              • voy

                not good when it counts?!?!?!?!?!?!

                • raptors

                  durant—-he’s 6 for 8 in the final 2 minutes of the 4th quarter when he has the chance to tie or take the lead, that is clutch. he’s gone through 3 championship teams–spurs, lakers, mavs.

                  who’d miami beat? knicks, pacers, and celtics? lol great stat-stuffing opportunities for lebron

                • raptors

                  and to prove it, durant scored 17 points in the 4th quarter and lebron had 7 lmao. big time players make big plays, hell at last years nba finals lebron had 18 total 4th quarter points through all 6 games combined! but apparently durant dreams to be as good as lebron right sleepz? lol

            • sleepz

              +1

              astute analysis : )

          • sleepz

            Lol, Durant can only dream of being the type of all around basketball player Lebron James is.

            • raptors

              durant is 4 years his junior and is already better than james in a few categories, no dreaming needed

              • Nilanka15

                If you replace Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka with Mo Williams, Delonte West, and Varejao, do you see Durant guiding this team to a 66-win season?

                • raptors

                  in a weak eastern conference yes. and this argument wasn’t about that, it was about playoff performance, durant can take over 4th quarters, lebron cant. so in an NBA finals playoff series, I’d take durant, as you’ll soon find out why.

                • sleepz

                  And if/when Miami wins, what excuses will you then provide?

                • raptors

                  none. when OKC wins, what excuses will you then provide?

              • sleepz

                Age doesn’t matter when we are talking about the present does it?

                Durant while immensely talented, got fast tracked to success. No suffrage or having to take lumps like other NBA stars did. He started getting favourable whistles from EARLY in his career without having to take the punishment to obtain it.

                Durant is a better jump shooter than Lebron James and a better ft shooter as well. Outside of that you would be hard pressed to find basketball minds (not me or you, but real basketball minds) that would make a favorable comparison in all around game.

                The gap between Lebron as a defensive player and Durant as a defensive player is not even comparable. That alone makes the comparison moot.

                • Lorenzo

                  Moot…

            • Nilanka15

              If I’m building a team from scratch, LeBron is the first player I choose 10 times out of 10.

              Durant’s youth will not provide him with any advantage over the next 4-7 games.

              • Morgan

                Only to have him leave the org. in a few years via free agency…jking.

                I just read an ESPN article, and one of the questions asked was LeBron or Durant, who would you pick to start a team. For reasons outside basketball (somewhat) Marc Stein wrote:

                I’ve been saying this for years: Durant. For the simple fact he possesses the most attractive quality you can find in a top-10 superstar when you’re building a team: Durant’s willingness to commit to the program long-term, regardless of market size, if he believes in the program. OKC has never had to sweat a single day about Durant possibly fleeing via free agency. Priceless.

                He makes a point, but it remains to be seen how patient Durant will be, Cleveland surrounded LeBron with a supporting cast that was much less talented than Durant’s, and he still stuck around 7 years, a long time, despite that poorly managed team. Durant has a good one in Sam Presti.

                I do, however, think KD comes with a lot less baggage, going up on stage and promising not 1 not 2 not 3 etc. championships was incredibly pompous, as was the nationally televised decision, and the post-game “people will wake up to their lives/problems” comment. May be slightly blown out of proportion but he does seem to have an ego, he even refers to himself in 3rd person. Regardless, the one thing you cannot deny is his greatness as a basketball player, the stuff he does on the court is truly legendary and a joy to watch.

                • Nilanka15

                  Stein’s reasoning makes sense when you factor in personality, and off-court traits/behaviour in general. 

                  But like you said, who knows how “loyal” Durant will be when/if the Thunder fail to stay competitive at some point in the future.

                • Theswirsky

                  Lebron was just as ‘loyal’ as Durant at the same period of time. 

        • Mapko

          One acts like a total, arrogant asshole, the other does not

          • Nilanka15

            I don’t deny that.  But I’m only talking about their on-court abilities.

      • Nilanka15

        Ibaka > Bosh is very debatable too…

  • Bendit

    Was there planned symbolism putting up the Sellers pic and a doomsday scenario…on draft day?

  • Lorenzo

    And with the 8th pick the Toronto Raptors select… Jared Sullinger from Ohio State University!

    *everyone boos*

    • Nilanka15

      I’d rather pick Ed O’Bannon…

    • Theswirsky

      If Sullinger is still on the board at 8, BC should not even hesitate to take him.

      I have no idea why people are so down on the guy.  He is highly productive, the combine proved he was legit PF height, he is a true post player the Raps have lacked forever.  Oh yeah with  range to boot……

      Potentially a 20 year old zach randolph (6’9″ 260lbs) who isn’t a head case.  What exactly is wrong with that?

      • Lorenzo

        What’s wrong with it is we already have too many PF’s. I was only speaking in the Raptors point of view as it would be a questionable pick since the 4 spot is the only spot that we are remotely solid at.

        • Theswirsky

          I’d personally rather take the best talent available (whether thats a PF or not) and try and trade 2 of the other 3 PFs (or amnesty if necessary) we have than skip over talent because that position ‘should be’ filled.

          This team should be rebuilding… in fact BC has put them in a very good position to rebuild, should he actually decide to go through with it…. there is no spot on this roster than couldn’t use an upgrade.

          • Guest 416

            Draft a pg and amnesty calderon or draft sullinger and amnesty amir …. Not into this rudy gay talk either . Not worth that kind of money .

      • Mapko

        Your last comment -a 20 year old ZBo who isn’t a head case. Now that you put it that way -It makes a lot of sense. All this nonsense: not athletic enough, can’t jump, bla, bla. Who gives a hoot?
        He is big, smart & hard working. He may not have as high a ceiling as some other guys, but, at worst he will be a very solid backup (Nick Collison anybody? Or maybe a Baby Davis with a brain?).
        As for “we don’t need another PF -who cares. You can never have too many bigs. Assess & trade later. Decent bigs always have value (see H Thabeet, S Dalembert…).
        Besides there are several SFs available as FAs (AK47, W Chandler, J Green, Batum -my fav..)

  • mountio

    Love the comments on here today. If you arent amped up for this finals .. youve got something wrong with you. The last round was great (both series) .. this one should be legendary  .. I dont think Ive looked this forward to a finals in a long, long time ..