When Bryan Colangelo became the GM of the Toronto Raptors back in 2006, I was elated. They finally had a creative leader in the front office that seemed to have all the qualities you look for to represent a franchise. He was eloquent, decisive, intelligent, friendly with the media, and wore suits that made me want to wear suits. He seemed to come into the city with a surge of momentum, and he carried it all the way to the 2007 Executive of the Year award in his first full season at the helm through a combination of savvy trades, unconventional signings and the daring selection of a European player first overall. And then, it kind of just went to shit. Slowly but surely, fans and the media stopped being star-struck by them fancy words n’ suits, and started looking at the direction he was taking the franchise. The bad moves started to outweigh the good, and the club was unable to recovery from a litany of body blows (Garbo hurt, Bosh gone, Roy Hibbert where art thou?). Always the consummate salesman, Colangelo effortlessly spun the story his way, until the list of failed franchise saviors became too much to overlook (oh wait…Val…).

So here we are, at a bit of a crossroads for the Raptors franchise, and Bryan & Co. are still making the decisions. Despite winning two Executive of the Year awards, there’s legitimate debate about whether or not Colangelo is a good GM, which makes the following all the more scary. Being in the final year of his deal, there is little doubt that Colangelo is attempting, to the best of his ability, to save his job, much like the rest of us would. The unfortunate part of Bryan attempting to save his job is that it will almost certainly mean doing whatever he can to ensure that the Toronto Raptors win as many games as possible next season, which in a very naïve way, would qualify as a success. This fixation on wins is detrimental to the Raptors because mortgaging the future for the present (the opposite of what I argued for yesterday) will undoubtedly harm the organization for untold years to come. I think we all know this to be true, we know he will do it (as in all honesty we would too), and we accept it.

One of the best arguments I heard against the Raptors pursuing young talent, other than those who simply disagreed, was that the Raptors would not pursue youth, because Bryan was in the last year of his deal and wouldn’t trade for talent that he might never get to use past this upcoming season. This simultaneously makes no sense and perfect sense, so something must be done to resolve the problem. I’m going to suggest some out of the box thinking -sarcasm- and propose that we extend Bryan Colangelo. Throw him a three year deal at a discounted rate with a club option on the third year. With the sword of Damocles no longer hanging over his head, and newfound support of ownership, Bryan will be able to return to his creative, suave roots and bring the Raptors back to something resembling the exciting young team they were in 2007.

Here’s another radical thought -again, sarcasm-, if you don’t think worthy of an extension, or couldn’t deliver if he received one, fire him. The limbo Bryan is being put in is unfair to him, to the players, and the fans. Decisive action needs to be taken, because this halfway in halfway out approach the Raptors seem to be taking with just about everything these days is getting a little old.

Extension or not, the Draft Party on June 28 at St. Louis near Yonge/College goes on!

  • http://twitter.com/romeolingao Romeo Lingaolingao

    I admit that he’s done some mistakes for this team (signing Hedo, overpaying Kapono, and acquiring J.O.) but this team can’t lure players here is not his fault. It’s not his fault that no one would desire to play in a “foreign country”. That’s why his other option left is to sign international players.

    • Theswirsky

      Signing FAs is not the only way to build a team.  In fact very few teams actually use FA as a major building block.  Most of the time it supliments players drafted or traded for.

      • hater

        miami heat! lol :-)

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      You are being overly dramatic- no need for static.lmfao

      BC fucked up the entire CB transaction- CB TPE do you know me?, then proceeded to slander CB’s character/skill level in the media unto this very season yet CB is now a NBA champion & BC may be on his way out of the TDot….

      BC has tied his fortunes & this Franchise onto ABargannai aka No Star aka Lazy Mofo’er aka The Italian Cancer aka Golden Child aka Spoiled Brat aka Rebounding Is For Peasants aka King Bargs aka The Pope aka Mr 13 Games A Career Does Not Make aka I Want To Be A Canadian Now That My Country Is Fucked Up aka Work Hard, Get Better Be The Best…………………………

      • LOL

         B.C should be extended for the fact that C.B is gone…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=auMHGT6KM3Y 

        • HitItHardFromTheBack

          Tha fuck…..pause…

      • FLUXLAND

        I could argue he really sunk the boat when he selected your boy DD aka No
        Heart aka Zero Above Average Skills aka Floss Them At Rosco’s aka Lazy Garfield
        Eyes aka People Think I Eat Too Many Chocolate Bars aka Or That I Don’t Wash My
        Face aka I’m Too Busy Screaming At The Refs To Help My Team aka I Get Sympathy
        Invites To The Dunk Contest aka I Jack Up Shots In The First Quarter aka And I
        Play Casper For The Next Three aka I Love Zero Assist Games aka Passing Is For
        Suckazz aka I Can’t Get More Than 4 Rebounds Per game But Everyone Is Talking
        About My Athleticism aka Uncle P Ugggh Got Me Into The L aka I Need To Hoist 30
        Shots To Crack 10 Points aka I Watched Too Much Kobe As A Kid But Have The Work
        Ethic of Eddy Curry The 350Lbs Version aka I Have Never Dunked On A NBA Player
        aka Lifetime Zero Star aka YMCA All Star aka I Run Back To The Locker Room Like
        Someone Shot Me aka Not One D In My Initials Stands For Defense aka I Went To
        The Same School As Romeo Miller aka No NBA Star USC aka I Have The Same Game I
        Had In 2007 aka I Wish I Were One Percent The Player AB is aka I Can’t Even Dunk
        In A Dunk Contest  aka Cptn Inconsistent aka My Own Coach Thinks I Can’t
        Play D in the NBA aka The Worst 9th Pick Of All Time aka I’m Better At Twitter
        Than Basketball aka I’m Not A 2 Or 3 In Any Pro League aka BC’s Compton Sponsor
        Golden Child aka 9th Pick Project aka I Never Won On Any Level Hence I Don’t
        Know What It’s About aka BC Let Me Fake An Injury So My Stock Doesn’t Hit Rock
        Bottom aka I’m The Best Player On The Team But I’ve Never Put Them On My Back
        And Carried Them To One Win aka I Delete Tweets Like A Company Man aka DeBrick
        aka Why Pass To Wide Open 7 Footers In the Paint….aka Straight BullShit.

         

        He can that same
        exact game since 2007, lazy, heartless, Weems missing cry baby to some D league
        team so he can familiarize himself with basketball and get a taste of the real
        life instead of making hotboxing videos while driving around TO. 

        • Nilanka15

          Lmfao!

        • CJT

          Wow.  That took dedication. 

          • Rob

            Having no life is what it took. lol

            • david

              now i am 100% sure you are the fish p00ka

              • Rob

                Piss off troll, don’t even try that one on me, only name I’ve ever had. You’ve accused multiple posters on here of being someone else “david” aka “what the” and many many more lol.

                • p00ka_is_a_fish

                  p00ka boi I see you, why you hiding from me.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Too bad DD isn’t my boy.lol

          I wish BC would have drated BJennings (my choice at the time) or looking back current starting NBA pgs- Collison, Holiday, Lawson or Teague- who were all drafted after DD.

          Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery- recognize game or remain mentally lame…use your turn signal or stay in your lane.

          • Statement

            The cat in the hat got bludgeoned by a bat….Wurd!

      • Stephen Barnett

        I think you forgot to take your  meds today bro!

    • Destro

      It is HIS fault cuz hes ruined the team is the reason no players desire to even consider T.O.

      Wasnt always that way…

    • FLUXLAND

      mmmmm.. KOOOOLL AIIIDDD.. soo yummy, eh?

      No one wants to come here because he has zero ability to assemble a TEAM. He appears to know how to select players (although even that is very highly questionable), but the man has absolute zero skills when it come to putting together teams. None, zero, zilch, nada, nothing, niete, bupkis. I can guarantee you if Stern came to BC and said: “You can assemble a team from any players in the NBA ” – they would end the season 27 -55.

      The man knows how the sell, he doesn’t know anything about basketball teams and never will.

      • david

        yes he does, he sold you mr.13 games and you bought it.

  • Theswirsky

    While I’m not going down as a BC fan, I would much rather see him on a long term contract right now than with one year left…. IF and ONLY IF it means he would try to actually rebuild.  Tear down the team and take the time necessary to rebuild.

  • JohnDue

    Yes, extend him! It’s best for the raptors, fans and him to have a GM thinking past 1 year.

  • JHP

    Don’t resign him just because he’s tall and looks good in a suit.  Resign him because he’s the best person for the job.  Since it’s less then a week to the draft the fire him option was dismissed.  So not exercising an extension is the next decision point.  Personally think he gets a failing grade and needs to go.  My crystal ball says he will be trading away/down the pick.  The rational being the teams too young and a vet is needed to steady the team.  In the end some West coast team gets a good young piece and Toronto gets an injury plagued veteren that lasts maybe a year or to. Maybe we need a short, fat, ugly GM that actually makes good decisions. 

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    He has done mistakes as many others GM in the League. I like his experience and his ability to move away from mistakes. Great move to bring D Casey as a solid base looking forward.

    • david

      CB4 1 ring AB7 0 ring

      • Destro

        CB1 7 All Star games > AB7 0

  • 77er

    Bring back Glen Grunwald

    • Theswirsky

      +1

      too bad the Knicks have him locked up now.

  • ballin’

    Keep him around. I think drafting Jonas was a sign he’s more interested in building for the future than winning now. There were other players that would have been able to come in right away and play, but he chose to hold out and wait for Jonas. So far at least, it’s looking like a good choice. I have faith in BC.

    • Truthkiller

      It was more, oh wow really… look the Spurs are trying to get into the top 5 for this guy, let me pick him up. If you can’t trust a cheating girlfriend then you definitely can’t trust BC. 

  • Balls of Steel

    I’d wait until the end of next season. I understand it puts him in a lame duck situation but why rush? Scott Brooks had to wait until the end of the Finals to re-negotiate. I don’t understand this “unfair” angle. He gets paid a lot of money, he just needs to work his ass off until the end of the season.

  • c_bcm

    I like this idea. I fully support BC. Not only is he the best guy for the job but continuity in the front office is a big way a franchise can establish an identity that the rest of the league respects. Loyalty.

    • Destro

      LOL !
      Establish an identity 8 yrs into his reign,you dudes is noodles…

      • c_bcm

        No. He was looking for the right identity for this team. First he tried run&gun North, which failed because Nash is the only guy that can make that work. Lightning in a bottle. Now he’s going defensive and deliberate, which is a more coachable system…in fact you HAVE to have a good coach to make a good defensive and offensive system-team. All evidence points to the fact that he now has that. Everyone seems to be liking the direction of the team, so now is the time to extend him to see where he takes it.

        • Destro

          Nash is the only PG that can play run and gun ? False
          SO i guess the Showtime Lakers never existed before Steven huh ? smh

           If your going defensive you dont bring in a 38 yr old slow footed PG whos been one of the worst defensive point guards in the league…

  • Rus

    For anyone who says fire him he’s terrible, then at least name an alternative GM that’s available. Good GMs are scarce in this NBA. Just look at how awful that GM is in Washington….

    • Destro

      OK so keep a bumbling GM who has shown he cannot build a team or winner and just let him continue to trip over his own mistakes BECAUSE theres no other obvious candidate on the spot to take his place….nice logic.

      • Rus

        So who do you want to replace him? Answer the question, oh right, all you do is troll and shit on others…..

        I don’t think he’s bumbling, I’m just tired of hearing people like you complain without a solution.

        • Rob

          Dipshitstro apparently sent in his resume for the job, it reads: 

          Qualifications: Providing worthless fallacious analysis on RR.

          Achievements: Once ate a twinkie in one bite.

          Goals: Lerning to reed nd rite.

          • FLUXLAND

            He still contributes more than your pathetic attempts at humor.

            Rob – life accomplishments: failed clown. 

            • Rob

              My job isn’t to make you laugh, you have a mirror for that.

            • david

              be nice to your buddy p00ka

          • p00ka_is_a_fish

            Rob – aka p00ka aka a pussy boy and failed art student.

  • http://twitter.com/ryanmcneill Ryan McNeill

    Sorry, but why exactly would it be a problem if Colangelo swung for the fences?

    DeRozan took a step back as his field goal percentage has dipped every single season he has been in the NBA. Andrea Bargnani showed flashes early on, but it remains to be seen if that was fools gold or if it was truly injuries that slowed him down. Ed Davis has shown flashes, but he will never be a starting power forward on a team that goes deep in the
    playoffs.

    There was plenty of opportunity for Colangelo to put the brakes a rebuilding season but he turned down offers to improve the team in the short run. You need to give him kudos for seeing the plan through and trying to maximize his assets heading into this summer. But now? Why not move some of the teams young pieces if it gets back some
    solid veterans?

    The team competed almost every single game last night but game up just short countless times. Personally, I want to see what Dwane Casey and his coaching staff can go with a bump in talent and players with more NBA experience.

    • Theswirsky

      he saw the plan through?  His ‘rebuild’ has lasted for slightly more than 1 year… thats seeing the plan through?

      I’d love to see a list of teams that spent that little time rebuilding and ended up becoming a contender.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        The whole rebuild/build hype was nothing but another pr spin on the Rap’s losing games due to BC’s bad decisions as both President & GM of Raptors basketball.

        At the season ending presser both BC & Casey said the rebuild/build phase was over- how dumb do they think the collective Raptors fan base is?

        All we heard from BC, Casey is that this team is young yet it is lead by AB & Jose the 2 longest tenured Raptors under BC as well as a young OKC team made the NBA Finals.

        Extend BC for what?

        He traded Bosa for some reason (tanking) that he explained away as it would give the Rap’s flexibility to make pre draft deals during the palyoffs with teams out of the playoffs- Bullchit, where are those trades at 5 days before the draft as the Finals are over?

        BC is seemingly going to try to sign some veterans (Nash, Deng, Iggy) and most likely trade away the #8 pick plus some current Rap’s in the process.

        Time for new minds, ideas, energy, vision & voices for Raptors basketball as BC has taken the Rap’s from Division Champs to Conference Chumps while Boston has done just the reverse in the same time frame.

      • Destro

        These posters keep acting like BC’s extended rebuild happened because he made terrible personnel mistakes after there 2 year playoff run….dont applaud him for having to rebuild HE had no other choice after he fucked up the team and the salary cup and gave away all his draft picks….no points for that at all…..

  • ad

    Apparently the sun is reporting the raps might draft Henson. I’ll be fucking pissed if they do. Henson’s problem
    is lack of skills on offense in general. Not to mention very poor ft shooting. They dont need another ed
    davis type. I think Stefanski and BC should be shown the door if they draft henson. Just pure stupidity
    and lack of acumen if they do. I think waiters, lillard, and rivers are
    the best fits for them in terms of talent and need. Lamb seems very risky and they need more of a sure bet. If somebody like
    barnes somehow falls then take him.

    • tmk

      Dude, its the SUN. Why would you ever trust the SUN? I can’t see anyway that BC even considers drafting Henson…it’s not even worth arguing about.

      • ad

         Your right the sun is about as reputable as the National Enquirer but I dont trust BC and his henchmen to pick the right guy. They’re the raptors. They’ll find someway to fuck it up.

    • Bendit

      Did you consider that this may be more chaff being thrown out there to create a market/demand for the 8th pick? Eg. I understand that Detroit (9th) is interested in Henson.

  • Bendit

    This angst about BC possibly making irrational decisions in order to manufacture short term wins to save his job does not account for why he chose JV last year who decidedly was not a short term move? I suggest holding on to further recriminations about his motives until after July at the least. I as well shall be very disappointed if the transactions smack of a short term makeover.  

    • Destro

      His trying to manufacture short term gains is about to continue cuz i have a feeling hes about to fuck up again with cap money IE signing Nash….It will be the last nail in raptor coffin….Its gonna fail miserably YOU watch….next 3 yrs with nash this team is not going to make the playoffs and continue to flounder as we watch nash decline miserably here……Funny thing is alot of posters here are desperate for this lol…

      Ironic that Nash signing here will be BC’s last foul up that gets him the axe….

      • Bendit

        Again, not one move has been made. Everyone seems to be all worked up about rumours and using these to support their biases about BC, MLSE etc. There is nothing anyone can do at this time. We are all just going to have to ride it out and recriminate later. Enjoy the ride…I wish it to be a good one in the absence of any current alternative.

        • c_bcm

          Nice voice of reason. Couldn’t agree more. 

  • Raptorboy

    Keep BC. We are lucky to have him. Everybody wanted his head when he drafted JV last year, and now JV looks like the future of the Raps. For all of you who say “he hasn’t even played a minute of NBA ball yet!”, I say check out his work on youtube…he’s gonna be a great one!!

    BC brings stability to the Raps. He always makes good basketball moves although they haven’t all panned out. Bringing in Casey was awesome!! Geradini’s European connection is great. Rpas will get there…in better shape now than we have been in a long time. Kepp up the great work BC!!! Looking forward to a new beginning when the new season tips off!!

    • Raptorman

      Yes, because we all know that YT clips are the truth…..lmfao

    • Nilanka15

      How do you define a basketball move as “good” if it doesn’t pan out? That’s like saying your decision to buy Nortel stock over Apple stock was a good move. It just didn’t pan out.

      • Raptorboy

        Turkoglu is probably the best example. Ford is another. When BC first picked up Hedo were you disappointed? I’m sure you’ll say you were but everyone was pleased until Hedo shit the bed. Hedo became a bum…he was solid before he came to T.O. Ford for Villaneuva is another example. Loved the move at the time but it fell apart too. J.O. looked good as well but it never worked either. You need guys to come to T.O. who are not looking for excuses…because playing in Canada is the easiest one of all. Right Mighty Mouse, TMac, and Vince…
        We are lucky to have BC. The build is on and it would be a MAJOR mistake to lose him. Connected throughout the league and beyond and a great basketball mind. Things looking the best they did in a long time…go Raps!!

        Great job BC!!

        • Truthkiller

          I knew Hedo was a mistake from the beginning, 30 year old coming off his best season its downhill at that age moving forward. BC is absolutely overrated, pushing his golden boy AB7 can’t play D for shit. Can’t wait to see this sucker leave, just drop him already for Donnie Walsh.

        • Nilanka15

          Regardless of what my opinion was of the Turkoglu acquisition, by your definition, EVERY move is a “good” move before a result is quantifiable.

          In the 1984 draft, I’m sure the Blazers thought picking Sam Bowie (ahead of Michael Jordan) was a “good” move, but it just didn’t pan out.

          My point is that you can only measure the success of a move AFTER results have been accumulated.  It doesn’t matter how good/bad a move looks the moment it happens.  We have to use results when measuring Colangelo’s performance.

          • CJT

            Were you one of those guys who boooed the tv when JV was selected last year?  Yes, you were. Until you did a bit of research etc.  Well you can’t judge a move in the present only based on results. 

            • Nilanka15

              You’re more than welcome to judge a move in the present, but it won’t be based on anything more than your opinion.

              • CJT

                I agree, my point was that we are all guilty of judging based on opinion and emotion at times.  As I’m sure you were last year when you wanted Kemba Walker instead of JV.  It is part of being human isn’t it?

                • Nilanka15

                  Fair enough.

  • hater

    I dont think BC will look for short-term fixes. he drafted JV last year, when everyone was screaming for kemba/knight, he made the non-sexy pick (at the time) when no one else would, (something the cavs will regret). while BC has had his fucking-up moments in the past, he might just be a changed man. as long as he doesn’t eye playoffs this year, and actually makes a better effort of having this team get a HIGH lottery pick, like top 4 at least, then he should stay. if he’s looking for playoffs, as in a 6th to 8th seed and first round exit, then he needs to gtfo toronto asap. I think he has changed his ways, the offseason and draft will tell us more

    • Nilanka15

      As an aside, I heard somewhere (I don’t have the source) that BC was indeed eyeing Knight/Kemba until Jonas unexpectedly fell in his lap.

  • FAQ

    As long as he can turn a nifty profit for the MLSE, he will be retained.  The Raptors are not a playoff team for the next decade at least for obvious reasons… so all that the MLSE want is $$$$$$$$.

    • Tesla

      Wins = MORE MONEY.

      Makes no sense, you’re clearly a Knick fan or something all you do is hate hate hate.

      • FLUXLAND

        You argument makes no sense in TO. This city has been putting out crap product on all fronts for over 2 decades while making money hand over fist the whole way. There is zero reason for them to get MORE WINS, as there is far too much risk involved and the fan base has such a low level of expectations, there is no need to take more risks.

        As long as the TO faithful keep filling the coffers while management is putting out sub par product, nothing will change…like FAQ said, BC needs to keep them in the black and he is safe. And staying in the black in this town = between 30 and 42 wins. Throw in an 8 spot and you got yourself a championship mentality from the fans…pretty much the reason it will always stay a farm team…. fans keep buying D league scrubs as Finals level players.  This is what happens when a franchise is not owned by an individual – collectively the group couldn’t give a rats ass about what the fans want or if it’s a chip team as long it is turning in a profit.

        Get a clue, oh eternal optimist. 

        • Rob

          Yeah, there’s ZERO reason for them to get more wins, zero reason to get deeper into the playoffs and sell more seats, more merchandise, sponsorship deals, zero reason to build up the fanbase, but there’s every reason to lose, it’s losing that brings in the big bucks, Miami OKC, you’re doing it all wrong. Your anti-fact bias is funny and you’re a sucker for bullshitting, which is fine, because I’m a sucker for good comedy.

          “This is what happens when a franchise is not owned by an individual, – collectively the group couldn’t give a rats ass about what the fans want or if it’s a chip team as long it is turning in a profit.”

          You’re right, Dan Gilbert, Mikhail Prokhorov, Ted Leonisis, Tom Gores, Herb Kohl, Rich Devos, Leslie Alexander, Joe Lacob and Pete Gruber are working wonders with their teams. The power of individual ownership. *sarcasm*

          You know something Fluxland, it’s ironic here you’re always here telling others to get a clue. You can say BC did a shitty job in his tenure here (he has for the most part) you can call MLSE a joke of a company (hey, imo they are), and you can call the Raptors a shitty team (yep), as a realistic non-partial fan myself, that is all pretty much accurate, the rest however (and you’ve been preaching this for a while), saying winning doesn’t matter for the Raps in a BUSINESS where winning= more cash and MORE profit, is total bullshit, everyone cares about winning, some are just more competent at it than others, you can’t care about winning without caring about money and vice versa, so post facts, please. Still, come back, where would this board be without your “flux” of useless drivel. 

        • Tesla

          “There is zero reason for them to get MORE WINS, as there is far too much
          risk involved and the fan base has such a low level of expectations,
          there is no need to take more risks.”

          Lol.

  • snark week

    The argument of this article makes no sense.  It is almost certain that when Colangelo was extended last year that this was done on the condition that he would rebuild the team for the long-term.  That is, MLSE has certainly expressed to BC their interest in a long-term rebuild.  And ownership is not stupid; they know (or at least their consultants are telling them) that rebuilds take more than a single year to accomplish, which means they couldn’t possibly be expecting BC to produce a team ready to compete this year.  You are assuming that ownership has the same level of judgment as the average fan–i.e., more wins = my team is doing well.  Yes, there is pressure on BC; but it’s pressure to show the owners that he is making the right decisions with a view to rebuilding, not with a view to wins!!

    The people at MLSE did not make their money by acting like idiot fans.

    • Rob

      Well said.

    • FLUXLAND

      They don’t give a crap about right decisions, wins or rebuilding. Get a clue, all the they care about is money.  His argument make perfect sense, especially considering BC past actions. 

    • Nilanka15

      I’m not confidant at all that MLSE knows what a proper “rebuild” is. They have given us no reason to believe that they’re capable of evaluating Colangelo under such scrutiny.

      • CJT

        That assumes that they are not basketball fans either.  Because RR is full of “fans” who seem to know all the right steps to executing a proper rebuild as well as scrutinizing every move BC makes.  I know that this is the job and all of his actions are to be scrutinized by the fans. 

        • Destro

          Why do fans like YOU have a problem with other fans who scrutinize execs who FAIL at there jobs ? I never get the defense teams on here,are you being paid by MLSE ? BC ? He’s fucked the team up over 4 seasons…with some real bad decisions and not alot of good ones so what are YOU getting out of trying to spin the teams failure under his watch as positive ?

          • CJT

            that’s not what I said at all.  If you put yourself out there as a public figure like BC you are completely open to scrutiny.  My point was that if rebuilding is so easy as everyone here thinks, there would be 30 championship teams every year.

            • Theswirsky

              who has ever said rebuilding is ‘easy’?  

              way to burn that straw man 

              • Destro

                This dude CJT moves the goalposts everytime you hit the target with that ETHER….Rebuilding is being done at all at THIS length because he FUCKED up the roster BADLY..thats the point….and yes rebuilding is especially difficult when your doing stupid moves to help be partly responsible for helping to build ANOTHER teams championship squad(Heat)

                • CJT

                  OK.  There are 30 teams that are wondering how they are going to retool their teams to be more competitive next year. 

              • CJT

                Don’t know what that means.  When someone posts that the only way to rebuild is to do X or Y and then we will be on our way.  I don’t think it is that easy.  That is my point, not that the process is easy.

                • Nilanka15

                  The “straw man” argument:  When one argues against an unstated claim.

                  In other words, nobody claimed that building a team is easy, yet you argued on the assumption that such a claim was made.

                • CJT

                  thank you for clarifying.  I appreciate it.

                • Theswirsky

                  you not thinking a process is not easy is significantly different from “if rebuilding is so easy as everyone here thinks”

                  no one made the claim rebuilding was easy….

                • CJT

                  I suppose you’re right, not directly, but there have been many posts about what the team needs to do to rebuild from this message board.  I don’t people take in to account that those decisions are not as simply as they make them sound.  Like just get rid of AB and DD and ED etc.  those kind of comments are all over the posts here.  The art of making those decisions isn’t as simple as just getting rid of those players and replacing them with new ones.  That was what I was trying to get at. 

                • Theswirsky

                  I can’t imagine most decisions when it comes to either building, maintaining or adjusting an NBA team are ‘easy’. 

                  But there is a difference between trying and not trying.  And there are teams that have shown ‘good methods’ and ‘bad methods’
                  OKC/SA/Indiana/Memphis, pretty much ever unattractive market has shown the importance of using the draft to not only build but maintain your team.  Importance of having a franchise calibre player (in Indy and Memphis’ case they prove the limitations of not having one).  We’ve seen the cycle of mediocrity and how limited that is.

                  Doing a ‘proper rebuild’ is hard, but BC is not even attempting it.  It doesn’t really matter if its hard or easy if BC isn’t even willing to try. 

                  In fact I’d argue BC is taking the ‘easier’ way.

                • Raptorboy

                   Please define a “proper rebuild”. I’m guessing you mean totally tanking for 3-4 years and getting top picks 1-3. OKC might have done well but they were lucky the draft had such strong players at that time. I’d rather watch a team who play to win every game aka last years Raps than losing tanking. Raps will get there. Just let Casey lead the way and BC will fine tune the roster. Things are coming together…go Raptors!!

                • Theswirsky

                  – a franchise player
                  – multi dimensional players (ie. players that do more than 1 thing)
                  -productive players (guys that do things that lead to winning)
                  – offense AND defense AND rebounding

                  Yes it may (will)take years (because BC has left it so long), and yes it may well require a top 5 pick  and it will require numerous picks (because BC has left this team so devoid of talent).

                  And all that will almost definetely require new management.

                • CJT

                  I think you are absolutely right about much of what you posted here.  How many of these game changing players are currently in the league and are in each draft?  I don’t know the answer, but what I think we have learned in the last 4 or 5 years that having a true franchise player is simply not enough anymore.  You need 2 or 3 franchise caliber players to win it all.

                • Truthkiller

                  Say hello to your future Atlanta Hawks.

    • Destro

      People at MLSE made/make there money off of dumb fans like you who blindly support there losing properties because you think they are Godly…..You thinking BC is genius works into there bottom line quite nicely stupid….

      • Lino DiNardo

        MLSE does not own the raps anymore.. Rogers and Bell has taken ownership officially a week or so ago.

        • Theswirsky

          MLSE still owns the Raptors.  Bell-Rogers bought MLSE from OTPP (Ontario Teachers Pension Plan).

        • Nilanka15

          Oy vey

      • snark week

        So what’s the alternative here?  BC has shown he’s willing to make sacrifices in the short-term (e.g., picking “another Euro,” without a buyout) for the sake of the long-term.  He has shown improved judgment in personnel by hiring Casey, who is exactly the type of coach this team needs.  Also, he has now been with the franchise long enough to understand it better than anyone else.  

        So what would you propose? Tearing the whole thing down and starting afresh?  On what plan?  Let me suggest this: the one thing that makes good judgment so rare is that so few people have the patience to follow through on a single, thought-out strategy, instead of changing their minds every time there’s a setback.  Amateur hour.  

  • Nilanka15

    I know this is the easy answer, but IMO, it’s also the most logical. Remain status quo for now. Don’t make a decision on Colangelo until the end of the season. Yes, there is risk that he sacrifices the future for the present, but there’s also a chance he keeps the 8th pick and acquires a nice collection of players who could do some damage in 3-5 years. We simply don’t know how it will play out.

    If we fire him now, it’s guaranteed this team doesn’t compete for many years to come. Amongst free agents, the Raptors would look even more disorganized, and whoever replaces Colangelo isn’t guaranteed to succeed either.

    On the other hand, if we extend Colangelo now, that makes it a much tougher decision for MLSE to fire him if he fields a poor team this season. The last thing we’d want is for ownership to hesitate on cutting the cord simply because of the large financial commitment made to Colangelo.

    • Nilanka15

      In closing, we should let the season unfold, and then revisit this topic in 10 months.

    • Rob

      Yeah. The animosity/skepticism around BC is due to judging his body of work, as a whole, since 2006. If he’s that kind if GM, adios. If you judge his body of work over the last year, year and a half or so, he’s done some good and is worthy of continuing. It comes down to which BC we are going to see, I agree in that I don’t quite see the value of firing him now, just as I don’t see the value of extending him now. Wait & see approach.

      • Destro

        Except his body of work started in 2006 not LAST YEAR WTF

        you people giving out free passes for this failure are the epitome of losers…

        So forget everything up until LAST YEAR and of course lets remind ourselves last 2 seasons we were a bottom 5 team in the league SMH !

        • Rob

          That’s correct, but he’s still in the midst of his contract, due to what transpired recently, him not caring about losing badly and fielding a lottery team when he very well could’ve had this team aiming for 8th in the west and a playoff west shows it. Again, take the wait and see approach over the summer, it will be the tell-all end-all on what to do with him. I’m not forgetting everything up until last year, or everything since he got here for that matter, because it hasn’t been pretty. 

          • Destro

            Yea that fairy tale sounds good when conjuring it up but it doesnt erase facts breh….2 years of playoffs out both times 1st round and 4 years of BS ever since..sorry thats a terrible run for any GM and especially one that has had cap and draft picks to use at his disposal….THIS really is his last shot this off season…NO more excuses and YOU bum fans are going with him when he gets axed this time….  

            • Rob

              I agree, no more excuses, time for him to put up or shut up.

    • Truthkiller

      Even if Demar & Bargnani comes back next season as better all-around players (scoring, rebounding, assists up) and the team ends up battling for the 8th/7th seed thats still not a good enough reason to bring this guy back. This is the same guy that said the rebuilding is over AFTER 1 SEASON. -__-

      • Bendit

        Seems to me you are setting the bar for firing without really knowing whether any improvement in the team is/feels not only  sustainable but one which can be improved on. What did you want to happen…that the team get the 2nd seed next season?    

        • Truthkiller

          2nd seed Hell YEAH but even the casual raptor fan knows that is highly improbable and impossible. Other than JV being drafted which I completely give credit to the San Antonio Spurs for putting him on the radar after they tried to get into the top 5 to draft him, this BC character has done jack-squat-notta-nil-damn-thing. 

          He talks about surrounding the team with veterans the rebuild being over and how the team is ready for the next step. Puh-leeze this team doesn’t even have a legit starting 5. Everyone one on the roster is a questionable starter. The thought of signing a 37 year old point guard whose defense is as good as a revolving door makes me nauseous. But hey its all good though right, look at how the Atlanta Hawks turned out.

          • Bendit

            As I mentioned in another post above, many here are getting worked up over rumors, smokescreens, pundit hyperbole and yes, the BC fire movement….and not a single move has been made. Around August I shall decide to join you or consider that there is a reasonable chance for sustainable improvement.

            • Destro

              You right wait til these bullshit contradictory moves are done before judging lol….One thing im noticing is ppl are completely lying to themselves talking about BC is committed to a rebuild and hes not trying to save his job etc etc…..all the moves being talked about contradict any type of re build here IE Nash,Iggy,Gay….and they do look like a man trying to save his job for 1 more extension….BC got his own supporters doing headspins.

              • CJT

                They are all rumours until they happen aren’t they? 

  • badbob

    My question is “Who would you get to replace him?” There are not a lot of good GM’s out there !

    • Nilanka15

      People seem to forget what happened when we fired Grunwald.  Change doesn’t always correlate with success.

      • Theswirsky

        neither does maintaining the status quo

        • CJT

          Continuity is a proven way to help facilitate growth.  We haven’t had much in the last 5 or 6 years and that is primarily BC’s fault with all the personel overhauls and coaching changes. 

          • Theswirsky

            really?  where was this proven?  continuity for the sake of continuity facilitates growth? 

            as long as you keep the same players and same staff your team is proven to continually get better? 

            • CJT

              I didn’t say for the sake of continuity, if change is necessary then it is necessary.  But neither is change for the sake of change.  Stability is important to rebuilding a team.  Why is everyone talking about gaining experience and growing together as a team for OKC as one of the reasons that they have improved so quickly?  Having new opinions and personel and systems to learn every season is not the way to get the most from your players.  Firing Sam Mitchell for example was a rash decision that hurt the club for the remainder of that season and the next.  Did it need to happen?  I am not sure what the internal politics of the club was at the time, but it sure seemed like change for change sake.

              • Theswirsky

                you are right you didn’t say continuity for the sake of continuity (and I’ll avoid the ‘proven’ statement as an exageration).  But just saying ‘continuity helps facilitate growth’ avoids the near infinite number of other issues that ‘help’ facilitate growth that has nothing to do with continuity.  Or the number of ways continuity hinders growth by missing other opportunities.

                OKC became who they are because GOOD management made GOOD decisions.  Not because the GM stayed the same or because the team didn’t change.  In fact the team changed significantly since Durant got there.  Nick Collison is the only hold over from that year.  So only looking at the players from 2007 to 2012 (including Durant and Collison), that roster has had a 87% (13 of 15 roster spots are different)change! 

                They started by making significant change (tanking), getting a good building block (Durant) and building off of that.  Kept adding important, productive and useful peices every year.

                Raps have done NONE of that.  BC has made poor decisions, refuses to rebuild, is building around a flawed player and keeps adding inefficient players.  What BC is doing can’t be any further away from OKC.

                I’m very much of the philosophy that if its not broken don’t fix it.  But the Raps management and players are broken.  Not fixing it isn’t going to make it work again.

                • CJT

                  fair points.  I see some potential in the roster, but understand why others do not. 

                • CJT

                  Also, some would say that they have tried to improve the quality of the management and coaching staff with the additions of ES and DC.  Obviously BC doesn’t see himself as part of the problem, so he isn’t going to replace himself.  I am still pretty excited to see what transpires this offseason. 

  • CJT

    I really don’t think BC is going to do anything in the hopes of simply retaining his job.  Like him or not he is well respected and will have no problem getting another GM job in the league.  I also think that some have mentioned his ego, which I think is pretty big, but I believe he has made the moves he has good and bad trying to improve the team.  He is not going to make knowingly stupid transactions to try and win his job.  He will try and make the team better in any way he can and I;m sure that there will continue to be mistakes made but that is the risk when your commodity is something as unpredictable as human performance. 

  • RaptorReuben

    He’s drafted two good young projects in Demar Derozan and Ed Davis. Traded for good young players like Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless. Hired Dwane Casey. He’s put us in a direction to be more successful than the last 3-4 years have shown us.

  • Destro

    Hearing Rockets have offered #16 and Lowry for the Raps # 8…

    • CJT

      I think it was a twitter rumour.  Not sure though.

      • Rob

        It’s actually a rumor floating around on ESPN which is probably just as good as Twitter lol.

        But something along the lines of what destro said. The report said the Raps covet Lowry, the Rockets are shopping him, and the Raps and Kings are two potential suitors that each have a top 10 pick that the Rockets are targeting. Apparently the Rockets love Andre Drummond, and are watching to see where he goes in hopes of swinging a deal with the team that drafts him. 

        And then, ANOTHER report (still ESPN) says that the Rockets are looking to nab 2 top 10 picks in this year’s draft in an attempt to trade them as part of a package to the Magic for Dwight Howard…….it is that time of the year…

        • CJT

          I read that one, but I thought it was based on a twitter comment or something.  Like you said they are both about as equally reliable.

  • Andre

    Fire BC.. half the players in this draft are better then the team he put together. That means WE LACK talent. Why not TAKE as much talent as we can and put the ONUS on the coach to produce?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TRPH647AXY5T5XHXI2AFSG3XHA OvertheWall

    If he drafts anyone named Austin Rivers or Dion Waiters, I am done with the Raps.