I will not pretend to know much about Terrence Ross, as most, no, every mock had him in the teens, and that positioning made him of little interest to anyone following the draft from a Raptors POV. This is, by all means, going against the grain, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it just feels wrong. My first reaction was DeRozan 2.0, my second was “this is something Babcock would do”, and the third was resigning myself to trusting Colangelo. Again.

Those meaningless games that we won at the end of the year, combined with the lost coin toss against GSW, means we lost out on Harrison Barnes by a pick. This one has serious potential to hurt us, because even though Barnes’ stock dropped, he’s a player that’s got enough talent (and now extra motivation) to make his doubters look silly. Let this be a lesson to those anti-tank idealists who reduce their thinking to the short term.

I should point out that the Raptors didn’t make a press release till 1am, which makes me wonder what exactly they were contemplating doing with Ross. Seemingly, Ross could’ve been had by trading down, but Colangelo’s not known to do that and expecting creativity out of him in these situations is like expecting this guy sleeping in front of me on the GO train to realize he’s drooling all over his shirt.

So, Terrence Ross from Washington. A freshman sophomore who can shoot in the NIT. The Raptors need a shooter, so there you go. Simple, right? Only problem is that the Raptors also need a point guard and a small forward, and while Ross could, physically speaking, slot over to the three, a lineup of Ross, DeRozan, JoVal, Bargnani. and Calderon/Bayless is heading nowhere but to 15 wins. That might’ve been the case with Barnes too, except that the perceived potential for a great end product was better and just might’ve rekindled the dwindling fan interest up in here.

Apparently, Ross impressed defensively in his workout and shot the ball well, which sealed the deal for Casey, who will liken him to be the sharp shooter/defensive stopper, that all D-minded coaches love. It’s almost a trend, except be mindful that for every Bruce Bowen, there are 10 Antoine Wrights. Casey is talking about him being a “pure shooter” and a scorer, and expects Ross to follow in the footsteps of his parents (both All Americans). He feels that he’ll be able to play within the zone defense the Raptors will be deploying, and also “fits into our culture”.

Whereas Casey thinks Ross is a 3, Colangelo thinks he’s a 2, which is a bit funny. Here’s Colangelo who thinks he’s improved the depth on the court and thinks Ross has what it takes to get to “another level”, but they key words here he used to describe Ross is “piece”.

Remember how Babcock tried to be smarter than he was by being different? This has shades of that thinking, and what settles me right now is that Casey was involved in the draft process and is going to ensure that we got a guy who will play hard, will have the discipline required of rookies, and earn his minutes. This is definitely a “fit pick” more than a talent pick, which I have no issue with at #8, except that you can’t help but feel that we didn’t get enough return on our lottery position, and that the whole night was rather underwhelming.

The Raptors did select forward Quincy Acy from Baylor with the 37th pick and Tomislav Zubcic from Croatia with the 56th. I suppose we need people to carry shit off and on the planes, and I think both these two able-bodied men can do that with great zeal and vigor.

Thanks to everyone who came out to the party, it’s nice when you pack the place. Here’s some disappointment at the selection of Barnes and pure confusion for Ross.

Obviously, more on the draft soon, and as the title hints at, it could be that we picked a player that turns out to be a decent NBA player when it’s all said and done, except that right now it feels like we reached.

  • Daniel

    Why do we need a PG? Everybody keeps repeating the same thing as if it’s true with no arguments. Currently we have 2 PG’s with a PER above 15. It is the one of the 2 positions of strength in our team: PG and PF. At the beginning of the year the management mentioned that one of the objectives for this year is to get “the PG of the future”. Now we seem to be going after Nash who is the exact opposite of the stated goal. I am totally confused as to the direction of this team. 
    I don’t know anything about our draft pick so I will withhold my opinion until I can evaluate a body of work. At this point, everything is speculation about draft picks. I like the skills associated with Ross however I have no idea how they wil be implemented in NBA. 

    • Truthkiller

      Jonathan Bender, Rafael Araujo, Charlie Villaneuva, Joey Graham…Terrence Ross???

      • Mos_jef

        None of those picks were made by Colangelo, except Ross. And Bender was picked for Indiana.

  • Theswirsky

    hmmm wondering, if the thinking is Derozan is too weak for the 3 at 6’7″ 216lbs (211lbs predraft), how will a less athletic and slimmer Ross do at the same height but almost 20lbs lighter?

    • Nilanka15

      Colangelo was on Brady & Lang this morning, and he was raving about DeRozan. Could a trade be in the works?

      • Theswirsky

        possible.  I much more likely to believe Derozan will be moved to the SF and Ross will end up as SG though.

        I fully expect JJ to either be moved or come off the bench… its been pretty clear that neither Casey or BC see him as having a significant role on this team. 

        (ofcourse that makes me question just how dedicated this team is to defense as opposed to offense, as JJ was this team best defender… )

        • Sam Holako

          DeRozan doesn’t have the size, or defensive ability, to play small forward imho

          • CJT

            He has apparently put on some muscle this summer.

      • Destro

        Wouldnt make sense right now….I dont think DD’s value is that high either right now…

    • voy

      ross’s best position is a 2.  and I wouldn’t be so quick to say dd is the better athlete, in my opinion.

      • mountio

        I think we are getting too hung up on “postion”. Our needs were shooting (check), athleticism (check), defense (sorta check). If we end up having both DD and him in the future .. that will be fine position wise – because at least one of them (Ross) can spread the floor and hopefully both can penetrate.
        Look at the lineups played in the NBA finals .. very often the “SF” was hardly a beast physically (Miller, Wade, Harden, sefolosha, even battier) as Durant and LBJ played the 4 much of the time …

      • Destro

        DD is a better athlete….da fuck are you watching.

        • voy

          are you the person who said, a few months prior, that DD is a top 5 athlete in the league?
           

          • Destro

            top 10 most definitely….

    • rus

       offensively he’ll be quicker than most, defensively that quickness will help him in the zone ?….I hope…..

  • Nilanka15

    Terrence Ross looks like Trick Daddy…

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      He looks nothing like Trick Daddy except that he is black but TD is much darker and has much different facial features………….smdh

      http://www.realsea.net/photo/Trick-Daddy55117.jpg

      • FAQ

        Notice that the Raps are stocking up on ‘baby-face’ boys… Ross.. DD.. Ed.. Amir.. Jonas.. wtf

  • Dc

    Bc is a douche. He and Casey both couldn’t hide their disappointment. Best case scenario Ross becomes Kevin Martin. Solid player this team needs a superstar talent tho not another solid rotation player. I think tor might be the only team in the league with a roster full of all solid rotation and fringe starters. Not one superstar he’ll even a player that could be a star player is on this roster.gotta swing for the fences should have drafted Drummond.gonna look real dumb if he turns out to be a stud next to Monroe. But of course bc couldnt promote any move that would hinder bargnani in his pursuit of being the “franchise superstar” he’s set to become at 27 years old, 7 years in. Lmao. Colangelo I guess u didn’t hear that collective what the fuck as stern came to the podium and said “with the eighth pick the Toronto raptors select Terrence Ross”

    • c_bcm

      weren’t going to get a superstar with #8. Need to temper your expectations a bit there.
      Its not like the season is starting on Monday, let’s see how the rest of the off-season goes before we start calling people school yard names.

      • The Truth

         It’s because all these chumps thing Rivers is a super star just because they have heard of him.

  • voy

    true, you possibly could have had ross at maybe 12 but you had to find a willing dance partner to make that trade happen. 

    if you couldn’t make that type of trade happen you either had to go with Ross, Lamb, Rivers or Drummond.  Personally, I wouldn’t take Drummond for the Raps because you’d be drafting him on pure potential and close to zero basketball skill.  If he pans out, and thats a considerable “if” he wont be ready for another 3-4 years.  The guy is the best athlete in the draft at 7 feet that didn’t go number 1.  There are concerns over his basketball ability.

    If you like Jeremy Lamb, like I do, I dont understand the frustration at having picked Ross.  They have plenty of similarities and their differences are slight in my view.  I think Ross is a better long distance shooter; Lamb can shoot it better from inside the arc; Ross is more explosive; Lamb, I think has a bit of a better handle etc etc. But these differences are not by a wide margin.  I think they are pretty much the same across the board.

    Its not Ross’ fault the Raps have holes all over the place (sf, pg).  If there are no small forwards or point guards left at the 8 spot what do you do?  The next pg and sf that went in the draft were Moe Harkness and Kendall Marshall. 

    The kid can shoot the rock, can create and is an athlete.  I have little problem with the pick.  But I agree, best case scenario would be we traded down to 10-12 to take him.  

    I dont get the Charlie V comparison.  Charlie V didn’t have a position.  Ross could be a nice long-term piece at shooting guard.

    • sleepz

      I also liked Lamb. I do think Lamb has a better stroke than Ross and his range is just as deep although I think Ross has a better body right now to play in the NBA.

      I also liked the fact that Lamb was a key piece on a National Championship winning team last year. Not a lot of difference in their game so I am not entirely upset with the Ross selection as he could be a very solid player. He needs to watch some Joe Johnson tapes and try and take his game in that direction.

      The only thing that irked me last night was listening to Colangelo say how the Ross pick can serve to “push Demar”. I think Demar’s game hasn’t developed much and if Ross can contribute defensively (he is already a better shooter imo) he can push Demar out the door if he’s better than him, by why not make internal competition at all positions? The 4 spot was GIVEN to Andrea before the team even hit training camp last year. If you want competition on your roster you cannot pick and choose when this principle applies. It only breeds a sense of entitlement and no one on this roster has done anything in the league to the point they should be entitled to anything.

      • Destro

        The Pro Ross/BC wagon is overstating his workouts with the team…honestly if you go by the workouts theres no way you take Ross over Lamb…I think some athleticism is there and possibly some shooting but hard to take anything by those workouts because he didnt do anything that would make you think he could do it consistently in the NBA against grown men….

        • Matt52

           You mean the workout where Lamb rolled his ankle 5 minutes in?

          • Destro

            When your a top tier athlete rolling ur ankle is pretty common,i guess you dont know cuz you never played…

            • Matt52

               Seriously?  That is your reply?  First off you have no idea who you are speaking to – nor do I about you.  I’ll just leave it at that I have played at the highest level in Canada outside Toronto (and before the NBL as I am now well past my prime).

              You said, “.honestly if you go by the workouts theres no way you take Ross over Lamb”  ….

              So since Lamb only worked out for 5 minutes, that must have been extremely impressive versus the full hour Ross got in.

              • Destro

                LOL you get butthurt about my reply then your logic is to reply with the same type of shit…

                Nobody cares who you are or what level you played at…NBL or whatever else,no one cares…

                Second the poitn since ur dumb to comprehend is you wouldnt go by the draft workout to assertain Ross was a better player based on what HE showed and based on someone rolling there ankle…

                stupid ass response and point ! 

                • Stephen A Gordon

                  Oh you think you had a point? Cute.

                • Destro

                  Seriously ur arguing a rolled ankle over a guys body of work at UConn against actual players…smh…

                  and yes Ross’s workout was overrated…shooting open jumpers with no moves and showing a weak first step to the basket is not impressive…Only thing i will say is he does have some vertical… 

                • hater

                  smh, u werent even there to see the workout, how do you know what he was showing/doing….. stfu!!

                • voy

                  i heard two guys say, during the last few days, ross smoked his peers in the one-on-one drills.

                • Destro

                  How do you know where i was muthafucka ? actin like you know somebody,sit theee fuck down lil man…

                • hater

                  cuz u was on here bitchin like u always do. u didnt even see this workout which goes against everything u claimed to have seen 

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

                • p00ka_is_a_fish

                  what are you trying to say, draft based on a workout the guy was in the NIT for a reason. lower competition nd lower skill level drummond and rivers will own the league in 5 years

                • hater

                  you dontknow jackshit.drummond and rivers will ownthe league? lmao stfu!!

                • Matt52

                   Ahhhh right, and you were there for Lamb’s.  Dick smack.

                • Destro

                  nevermind all your pseudo knowledge tell me more ab out life in the OCAA

                  smh

                • CJT

                  You seemed to care a little while ago when you said he had never played as the basis for you comment on how he couldn’t possibly know anything about basketball.  And while I’m sure you are king of the local rec centre, he would put you to shame on the court even at his ripe old age.  About Lamb, he pussed out on his work out when Rivers rolled his ankle and kept going.  That goes to show you that he has no heart, just like the scouts were saying.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Ross has a much better, smoother jumper than Lamb……

        Internal competition is good!!!

        Bargnani was the only guaranteed starter going into camp 1 year ago he doesn’t have to compete for shit ever since he’s been here he’s been handed minutes and even coast Sam his job in part to Sam making AB earn his minutes he is BC’s Golden Child.

        I like how Grizzlies GM Wallace lets Hollins decide playing time not contracts, draft status unlike in the TDot where you can see BC’s handprints all over everything related to the Rap’s rotation.

        Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace has sobering advice for Wroten.

        “That is Tony Wroten’s charge to recruit Lionel Hollins now,” Wallace said. “We don’t tell him (Hollins) who to play. He (Wroten) has got to come in and hit the ground running, starting tomorrow.”

        • Destro

          Maybe better shooter although you havent seen him shoot against NBA players yet…but he is not better in any other area….

        • sleepz

          How Wallace/Hollins handle things is the way it should be.

        • Destro

          Only coach that made AB accountable on the floor,we miss that badly…

          • Raptorboy

            AB played better under Casey then he did under any other coach. Different players are motivated in different ways. Obviously Bargs likes Casey’s approach. I don’t think he’s alone in that.

            • Destro

              of course he does because Casey until late in the year didnt challenge him…he let him do whatever he wanted…Reason why Sam had a winning record here is partly due to the fact he dont play that shit…If you arent gonna defend and do waht your supposed to be doing he gonna stick your ass on the bench….Thats the kind of thing bargs needs tbh…and if he wilts to that kind of stuff then he can be a 7th or 8th man or go back to Italy….Cuz he sure as hell aint winning shit over here as is…

              • The Truth

                 Sam didn’t actually have a winning record here, it was .452.

                • Destro

                  Yes he did before BC spoiled the roster..Pre 06 we aint counting cuz those were basically expansion years V2.0

                • The Truth

                  So he has a ‘winning record’ because you only count 2 out of 5 seasons. Nice.

                • sleepz

                  Agreed, but Sam is also the last time they had any on-court success.

                • Destro

                  The number is skewed like this fags argument….Hes trying to attach the 03-05 seasons to THIS when the point is Sam was successful and he made bargs earn his keep…. 

                • The Truth

                  Except for that other season you want to cut out for no reason except that it doesn’t line up with your made up view of the world as well right?

              • cesco

                 Good old Sam , COY ( thanks to a weak Eastern conference and the arrival of players like Garbo and Parker , all stars in the Euro league ) and then got fired because he could not get the team to improve , did not get a job as coach again and never will .

                • Destro

                  He got fired because BC fucked up the roster and he wouldnt coddle AB…

                • Destro

                  Are there any black players or coaches you like ?

                  Are there any white/euro players you dislike ?

                • p00ka

                  Is there any intelligence in your family, or are you just a blip in family pride?

                • p00ka_is_a_fish

                  says the idiot in a 13 game sample tried to compare primo pastaman to fucking dirk nowitzki finals mvp future hall of famer

                • Destro

                  Be honest when Sam got fired you said “see ya N1**er” under ur breath…

                • CJT

                  come on.  Uncalled for.  It’ ok to be wrong.  You should know this by now regardless of your skin colour, you’re still wrong.

                • cesco

                  I don’t look at a man color . I always liked Amir because he has tenacity and fight hard . I greatly admire Casey . I loved Reggie when he was here . White Euros are fewer in the league and they keep their job because they are good at it and I know quite a few failed here and went back , I do not know these guys .

              • nash is next

                “casey didn’t challenge” what about 20 rebounds casey wanted him to get per game what happen to that?

              • B-rocula

                Casey said AB had to get 6 Rebs a game or his playing time was gunna drop … Every comment u make on here seems to be purely your personal opinion that u have made up as a fact

            • p00ka_is_a_fish

              hey bargs fanboy 6 seasons(492 games) of work > 13 games

    • Destro

      The comparison is not in actual playing style but in how they were drafted much higher than they should have been….Ross is a better athlete than CV and plays a diff game but was drafting way over slot much like our browless friend Chuck…

    • Raps Loyalist

       The Charlie V comparison is a good one because

      a) the pick was a reach and even casual fans knew it right away

      b) we already have a young high draft pick playing his natural position (Bosh for CV…DD for Ross)

      c) When we took Charlie in 2005 Andrew Bynum was still on the board but we didn’t want to wait 3-4 years for him to develop because we had a GM in “win now save my job” mode….exact same reason we passed on Drummond.

      Good organizations with GM stability make the long-term investment picks like Drummond.  BC has no job security so his priority is get a player that will contribute right away instead of drafting the player with the most potential to help the franchise long-term.  Drummond, like Bynum in 2005, is 18 years old and needs A LOT of work but in a few years the payoff will be huge for the Pistons and we will be regretting this pick for years (while BC is long gone just like Babcock).

      • voy

        a) the casual fans dont know anything; from what I can tell they are mostly leaf fans who think sundin sucks but thought a 40 year old corson, nieuwendyk and roberts were gonna take them to the cup.  Or better yet, the casual fans fall in love with a player after watching him play 2 games in college not realizing he is showing little basketball skill.  Helloooooo Ed, O’Bannon.

        b) Bosh is a much better player than DD was/is.  CV didn’t do anything better than Bosh did.  Ross already does a number of things better than DD.  We need shooting.  Ross shoots.  We need defense.  Ross defends.  I like DD enough but lets not pretend Ross is redundant because we have DD.  The team desperately needed athleticism and wing players.  We still need more.

        c) bynum is a horrible comparison to drummond. bynum by 20 was averaging 13 and 10.  drummond is light years away from even considering that possibility.  bynum was a basketball player right out of highschool.  Drummond is an athlete.  a better comparison would be like drummond with a much bigger and stronger stromile swift or a bigger and stronger andrew mcdyess and even those guys had more basketball moves coming out of school. Sometimes those types of risks pay off, most of the times they dont.

        Lakers took Bynum cuz they could afford the risk taking a player out of highscool.  With or without bynum they were gonna be good.

  • Thomas A.

    I know that Barnes went one pick ahead of Ross, but I don’t understand why the Raptors couldn’t have gotten Barnes. Everyone and his dog knew that the Blazers would take Lillard in that situation. Why couldn’t the Raptors just have traded their #8 and an asset (#37) to Portland with the promise of leaving Lillard alone. I don’t think Golden State would look to recreate the Monta-Curry backcourt, by picking Lillard.
     
    I don’t hate the pick because I think Ross will be a bad player; I hate the pick because it showed absolutely no foresight. It was like they were shocked that Drummond was the guy that fell out of the top 7. The team needs to turn some of its ‘C’ level assets into something substantial. This draft was the perfect opportunity to do so.

    • Sam Holako

      This is a solid point! I can’t agree more.

      • WhiteVegas

        Getting mad because some hypothetical trade in your head didn’t happen is insane.

        Portland would probably want more than just the 8th and 37th pick. Plus, if you’re GS and Barnes goes at 6. Why the fuck wouldn’t they take Lillard at 7, as he was by far the best talent on the board?

        Their only other options would be Drummond or one of the guys available to the Raps. There was a massive drop off in perceived talent between the players taken and who was left once Barnes went off the board. This was a draft with a top 7, and then everything was wide open after that.

        I’ve seen you write some pieces that require critical thinking, use that critical thinking now.

    • mountio

      Its a very solid point .. IF .. you think Barnes is the superior player. Dont get me wrong .. I did going into draft night .. but thats mostly because I talked myself into him cause I thought he might fall. Hes for sure got the physical gifts .. but badly underperformed in college. Anyways .. Im not saying BC thought one way or the other .. but maybe he never wanted Barnes ..

      • Raptorboy

         Agreed. I was all for Barnes before watching the NCAA tourney. His inability to rise to the occasion on the biggest stage is a little concerning.

        • ghost

          I read a blog where Tar Heel fans were ripping apart Barnes and were glad that he was gone…doesn’t disappoint me that we took Ross ahead of him. 

    • dribbles

      That’s a good point even though I’m personally not a Barnes fan. For the life of me, I also don’t get how Houston wouldn’t have done a 12 for 8 deal and thrown in some kind of asset or sweetener (even cash would be something). Ross wasn’t going before 13. There’s just no way. Not impressed with BC at all here. Arse is right that we shouldn’t be expecting creativity out of BC here because he’s never shown it during drafts, but it’s another damning hole in his resume.

      Let’s also be clear about Ross. I like him better than DD as SG prospect, but there’s no way in hell he should be playing the 3. He’s not even 200 lbs and his wingspan is basically his height. BC seems to think DD could slide over to the 3 (he recently talked about DD working on his body) but that strikes me as fool’s gold.

      Apart from Nash, they’re still going to go after a SF. If they only make Jose’s expiring and Davis available, we’re looking at something like Wilson Chandler. I can see it, but I don’t like it. Why would Nash want to finish his career playing with such a talent-deprived team?

      • Destro

        How do you like him better tha DeMar at the 3 but then say he shouldnt be playing it ?

        • dribbles

          I don’t. I said I like him better as a SG prospect. Neither should be playing the 3. They’re both too small/weak and don’t have good length.

    • Raptorboy

      Lillard is from the Bay area. I wonder if Portland was worried that Golden State would scoop him up before the Raptors got the chance?

      • WhiteVegas

         They most certainly were. This draft had a top 7 and then everyone else. If Barnes went 6, Lillard was going to go 7, and vice versa as we saw happen. If anything, Lillard has way way more value than a Drummond on the trade market, and GS knew Portland was infatuated with him. So if the proposed * for 6 swap happened, I guarantee GS calls Portland and asks them what they’re willing to swap for the 7th pick because they know they want Lillard and they’re going to take him.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          I think Lillard was a risky pick. He dropped 25 a game against white boys and I’m supposed to be impressed. If Rivers was playing in that Conference, he would drop 30

    • Tim

      “The team needs to turn some of its ‘C’ level assets into something substantial. This draft was the perfect opportunity to do so.”

      Nicely Said….

      • WhiteVegas

        Yes, lets get enraged over unlikely hypotheticals!?!?

        “Colangelo sucks because he didn’t do this trade idea I had!”

        Exactly which teams used this opporutnity to turn C level assets into something substantial? I’m not seeing it.

  • vicdurr

    “I suppose we need people to carry shit off and on the planes, and I think both these two able-bodied men can do that with great zeal and vigor.”

    Dude, I just spilt coffee all over my desk.

  • 2damkule

    so…yeah.  ross.  as with any player picked, only time will tell, but agree, it does seem like a reach, and it does make sense that if he was the guy they ‘targetted’ (i.e. after their top choices – lillard, waiters & barnes – were off the table), then trading down & acquiring further assets sounds like a reasonable move.  but we always seem to forget that you need another team to want to make such a trade, and although trading down doesn’t seem like BC’s MO, it may simply have been a case of there being no takers.  still…part of me has to think that the 8 & filler (future 2nd or one of this year’s 2nds) for houston’s 12 & 18 (since they seemed keen on drummond) might not have been unreasonable for both sides.  ross more than likely would have been there at 12, and having the 18 would have put them in play for another guy with decent potential.

    but alas, ’twas not to be.  i’m not gonna lose my shit over it.

    as for ross the player, i don’t see either comps mentioned above (antoine wright or kevin martin) being accurate, as he’s a better scorer/shooter than wright, and a better defender than martin (and more athletic than both).  did see that his ceiling was jason richardson, which seems to be a stretch, but i’ll take that (or even 85% of that).

    on the positive side, if DD can move to the 3 (where his lack of 3-pt range may not be such a glaring defecit, and his poor D may (MAY!) be better hidden), then it does give them (eventually) a fairly athletic, fairly good defensive lineup.  if DD can’t, well, he becomes a fairly attractive piece of trade bait (if ross actually works out).

    for me, i probably would have rolled the dice with drummond, and hoped that he’d develop some semblance of an offensive game & overall basketball polish over the next couple of years, which would allow them to clear some of the clutter at the 4/5.  i don’t think he’ll live up to his positive hype (NEXT DWIGHT HOWARD!! DERP DERP DERP), but i also think the negatives about his game have been overblown somewhat (though it’s difficult to ignore <30% from the FT line…).

    at the end of the day, they played it about as safe as they could, while not really filling an immediate need.  i can't see how adding him (& JV) to this roster suddenly makes them a substantially worse team than the one that won at a 35% clip (i.e. i don't seem them being twice as bad this coming year, that just seems silly)…especially when you consider that there remains a considerable amount of roster tweaking to be done over the next month.

    • Statement

      Level-headed take, with only a small amount of sarcasm.

      While JV and Ross won’t make the Raps worse, they have to compete with yet another team that is now likely going to make the playoffs in the Wizards.

      Their starting lineup consists of Wall, Beal?, Ariza, Nene and Okafor.  That’s pretty damn good.

      • Destro

        That Wiz roster is a bubble team in the East still….Okafor ? Ariza ? meh

    • onemanweave

       It’s done. It’s over. T. Ross is the man. Now we have to wait two or three years to see how that’s working for us.
         Personally, think the Raps responded to a need rather than drafting someone who could make a real difference some day.
         Would also have liked to see Drummond picked. Wouldn’t help as much next year, but a LOT of people with baskeball knowledge think he could be really good eventually.  Ross can shoot and if BC is bringing in Nash and wants to get better and get re-hired, he’ll need some shooters on the other end of those passes.  However, this is the NBA, where shooters happened. Think he could have filled this hole through free agency/trade.
          Have more of a beef with his second pick.  Quincy Miller has a chance to be an all-star according to some reports. How many second rounders have a legit chance at that?  Quincy Acy’s athleticism can provide rebounds, maybe’ at SF and cover AB’s butt.  However, no matter how well as SF rebounds, they won’t be as effective as an average-rebounding PF.
          To me, it was all about situations and ‘safety’.  However, they’re professional evaluators and they did take a chance, just in a different kind of way.
         Hope their opinion is right cause it’s the only one that counts.

      • Dobsully

        I don’t get this Drummond love affair.
        A man with his athletic abilities but has little skill.
        Means he doesn’t work on his game.
        Means he has no inner drive.

        • onemanweave

          Not love, intrigue; not a man, a boy; same age as many high school seniors; you expect a polished NBA big man at that age?
              He, by all reports, has the physical tools to be great. Will he be?  Who knows, but Toronto had a chance to tap in on almost unlimited talent with a #8 pick.  That usually happens top five and if the young Raps develop at all, this team won’t see top 5 for a while.
             In drafting, like investing, there’s a risk-reward factor.  T. Ross doesn’t carry a great deal of risk, except relative to others available at that spot.
              Guys who were screaming because Val wasn’t Kemba last year are projecting him as a savior. He might be, but he’s a young big. He might simply be a good solid five who’ll play some defense, set screens, rebound and get 10 pts. per.
             It would have been nice to have two young bigs with potential. Drummond could have fit behind Jonas and Amir or Ed in the rotation and been brought along more slowly.
              Most ‘experts’ see a lot of defensive ability and not so much at the other end.  Defense will keep you in a lot of games as Casey showed last year.
              Didn’t happen and maybe for the best. Time — not you or I — will tell.

  • Quirk

    I’m ecstatic we didn’t draft one Rivers, Drummond, or Barnes! Exstatic! Those three guys will be busts,  they couldn’t even play against college competition very well. I’m happy with Ross. More Disappointing in the 2nd round, they took Quincy Acy with Will Barton still on the board? But Acy is pretty good to, he really adds to the PF backlog though, but he will bee a fan favourite. Trade winds are blowing. Machado wasn’t drafted?? Training camp invite right there.

    • ghost

      Agree 100%

    • WhiteVegas

      In the analysis post they basically say Machado wasn’t drafted because we can bring in Uzoh again. May be a summer team battle.
      Acy solidifies backup/3rd PF so that we can deal Ed or Amir (maybe both). Wheels are in motion. Now if we end up with Bargs, Davis, Amir, and Acy on the roster next year, then yeah, they botched the 37th pick. I’m thinking Acy’s selection means see ya later to Ed Davis. He’ll be moved for a similar prospect at the SF position, or in a larger deal for an established SF.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    First off Terrence Ross aka NASA was a Sophomore in college this past season.

    Secondly he’s the best SG prospect in this draft at a legit 6’6 w/o shoes and 6’7 with shoes, 197 lbs, and can play both the SG & SF position as TRoss even played some 4 at UW when UW went small ball.

    This kid rebounds, defends, jumps out of the gym, is a good character guy plus he likes the TDot.

    The negative in his game is his ball handling & ability to create his own shot but his jumper is all net plus he’s a gym rat.

    This kid is going to be better than DD in 2-3 years all he needs is games under his belt in order to develop consistency over 82 games.

    University of Washington basketball players are the real deal the Raptors got a draft day steal with TRoss as he will be an instant impact player- wait until you see him in Vegas.

    I wish the Raptors would have drafted Robert Sacre with their 2nd draft pick in the second round- instead he went to LAL at #60.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZEiz90oLB4
    Terrence Ross Hilight Mix

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k
    Terrence Ross 2012 NBA Draft Workout

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YATucFkpdNI
    Terrence ‘NASA’ Ross Dunk Of The Year

    • Destro

      Hes not going to be better than DD and i do see some athleticism problem is from what i have seen of him…he will trouble getting off his shot in traffic in the NBA for a few diff reasons….he doesnt use left hand ever which will cause alot of problems next level and he doesnt have a good first step or ability to get to the basket….you could clearly see that in his workouts….

      Saying based on what you see right now he’ll be better than DD is ludicrous and so far of a stretch its not even worth discussing esp when you consider IMO DeRozan is still going to improve….

      • sleepz

        It might not be that ludicrous. Ross improved considerably in his sophmore season and has NBA range on his jumper. Derozan still hasn’t found a niche – he’s not a slasher, and yet not a shooter, doesn’t really defend well and is an average to below average rebounder.

        I think Ross can potentially contribute more defensively than he can and will show himself to be a better shooter than Demar.

        • Destro

          Ill give you the better shooter but he cant get to the basket from what ive seen like DD can….I think Ross at his ceiling might be able to do what DD did the last few seasons in terms of scoring,i think DD is a perennial 20 PPG scorer on the move…even on the shooting he hasnt done it in a NBA game…i wasnt that imporessed by his pre draft workouts…he was shooting open 18 footers not much resistance and with a simple ass step back EVERYTIME…As of right now im convinced he will be anymore than a 6th man and thats not better than DeRozan…

          • hater

            defence….ross>derozan

            rebounding….ross>derozan

            3 pt….ross> derozan

            taking it to the rim/slashing…..derozan>ross

            shooting….ross>derozan

            basketball iq….ross>derozan

            ross will be better in pretty much every aspect of the game, if you disagree with any of these u dont get it…

            • p00ka

              he only gets what fits his whining script

            • Destro

              You’re handing out accolades to a rookie whos never played….smh

              You dont know shit about basketball Petey… 

              • hater

                and youre dissin a rookie whos never played dummy. i get the feeling that no matter which pick BC made at 8th, youd bitch no matter wut. u got no opinion you’re just a pseudo-stan 2 faced bitch.

                • p00ka_is_a_fish

                  you bargnani fanboys just kill me, italian pride all the way!!!!

                  note the sarcasm doc cuz he’s shit him and BC are out in 1yr book it!!!!

                • hater

                  I didnt even mention barg you dumb fuck and I aint italian. kil yoself…

                • Destro

                  go suck ur mothers dick…

                • hater

                  go give a razor blade a BJ.

              • http://twitter.com/Agimat08 Solo Miranda

                LMAOO your posts are so counter intuitive why are you saying this now when you were making ridiculous assumption earlier that “TRoss will not be better than DD”  and what makes you think TRoss will not get better than DD.  The fact that he already is better player offensively and can do pretty much the same thing Demar does on defense if not better.(which I think TRoss can do better than DD). TRoss got that jumpshot ability down already while DD still working on that and his improvement kind of stagnant last season. Again, we will see next year!! 

                • Destro

                  Type of pure imbecilic postings i avoid replying too but i’ll do it once in hope you never return….

                  So YOUR saying Ross is ALREADY better than Demar having never played a game ? THATS what ur saying right faggot ? Funny how ppl like you cant even use hyperbole properly to make a point…

                  NO i said Ross i dont think willbe better than DD…and you counter with HE ALREADY IS better..your talking about his pedigree having NEVER played yet….Take your L and come back with a 500 word essay on the best way to break a trap and i’l consider replying to you in the future…

                • http://twitter.com/Agimat08 Solo Miranda

                  Dude you are honestly dumb “The fact that he already is better player offensively and can do pretty much the same thing Demar does on defense if not better.” Read that again I didn’t say better player I said better offensively and can defend as good as DD if not better and I mentioned my conclusion “We will see next year” Question why do you act tough on Internet lol can’t do it in RL huh I see…You don’t have to reply to me co’z I don’t honestly care lmao.

      • Jleipciger

        stating unequivocally that he won’t be better than DD is just as ludicrous. No one knows.

        • Destro

          Its not ludicrous ive laid out reasons why….Opinions are not ludicrous when backed with supporting arguments.YOU got faggots up in here arguing with me saying NOTHING because of the Screen name….try again.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        You have no idea as TRoss is already better than DD was coming out of college…

        I watched every Husky game the past 2 seasons TRoss is the truth as in I can not tell a lie.

        I’m a PAC 10/12 basketball expert, buddy. 

        Next up….Vegas…..

        • weedman

          Glad to hear this from you. 

          But … does this mean … there’s a name-change in the works … ? 

          • cesco

             It will all depend on what happen down the road , doesn’t it ? . If TRoss help the team improve then he may have a change of heart .

            • p00ka_is_a_fish

              TRoss help the team??? AHAHAHAHAAHAHAA 
              his ceiling is to be sonny weems 2.0 what good is that when the guy down the 401 is gonna be a STUD double double machine in 3 years.

              • p00ka

                Yeah, because most huge guys with zero discernible skills are double double studs in 3 years

                • p00ka_is_a_fish

                  All he has to do is get putbacks and rebound and there is your double-double.

                  Yeah and guys with Ross’ skillset are a hot commodity in the league. 

                • hater

                  u are a creepy obsessed maniacal fuck. why u luv p00ka so much u weirdo, a fish? ur pathetic 13 year old south park watchin fat ass is pathetic as fk.

      • voy

        he has a chance to be better than DD.  He is already a better ball handler and shooter.  If you think DD is a better athlete, in my opinion thats a debatable point.  I dont see DD doing anything significantly better than Ross.  In fact for a guy who is supposedly such an incredible athlete, i think the guy looks a little stiff to me, which is why I think he is not as proficient in taking it to the basket as much as you’d like and finishing in traffic.  The good news is that both guys are young and can continue to improve.  However, I think Ross has more basketball skills now than DD had a few years ago when DD was the same age.

        • Destro

          He looks stiff cuz his ball handling skills are pure ass…but to deny his athleticism is to not know what it is….dude can jump out a gym and has ability to adjust with contact at the rim…reason why ppl doubt it is cuz he cant dribble one step by anyone and yam it on big men cuz his handles are garbage….but when you see him take oops behind him and dunk em mid air with elevation that should tell you he got it…im not denying he could be a better shooter but i disagree hes a better player and will be a better pro….to DD’s credit he really doesnt do anything great and he averages 17 a game,thats kind of a testament to how good he could be….

        • sleepz

          They are both weak handling the rock.

    • Matt52

      I think this is the first first time I have ever agreed with you – although I’m not sure I agree with instant impact.

    • Raptorboy

      Most positive thing I have ever read from you. You’re wrong on the majority of the other stuff you write but hopefully you’re right about this one!! lol

    • Balls of Steel

      Holy crap, this is the most positive thing you said in a long time about the Raps. Are you OK?

  • voy

    draftnet gave raps an “A” for their draft.  Plus, they had the line of all lines concerning Waiters – “the less waiters worked out, the higher his stock soared…”.

    so happy we didn’t land waiters.

    • Nilanka15

      Totally agree. An absolute blessing Waiters was taken before us. Biggest bust of the draft.

  • rus

    The problem here was if you draft Drummond, and have JV….how do you divvy up the minutes for both of them to develop?
    Plus, Drummond is an “IF”, a big if…not only BC passed on him, so did the other GMs….

    The more I learn about Ross the more I like him. Shot the 3, defends and works hard. Casey will use him…

    • Destro

      You trade one of em or BArgs is the obvious answer….

      • what the

        what no 7 years/13 game 3 coaches?

  • Adriiian

    I’m hoping he’s the next JORDAN.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Naw, try 3 time NBA All Star Eddie Jones.

  • albertan_10

    its not that we lost a coin toss, its that teams like GS and thr Nets tanked big time last year. I dont think you can say the Raps tanked unless you blame it on us not spending money and go trade/free agency crazy last year. We got screwed for never giving up and GS got rewarded for not playing their best players. Its a crappy system and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Terrence Ross is an ok pick. it surprised me but thats ok. if they feel he is a good culture fit then great. that is still changing and needs to be maintained

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Raptors tanked BC just didn’t do it good enough- why do you think Bosa was traded away for almost nothing????

      BC didn’t make any playoff/pre draft trades as he stated was a primary motive with the Bosa move.

      BC didn’t play his best players as well- didn’t you watch this past season?smdh

      Selective memories……

      • Matt52

         The players and coaches still competed each night unlike other teams.  I agree Raps did a half ass tank.  The problem is they still tried each night – a tough complaint to have, I guess.

      • The Truth

        Unfortunately to do pre-draft trades somebody has to actually want to play, from all the talk from a lot of teams there was only what, 1 trade that went through in the last week or so?

    • dribbles

      The Raps absolutely tanked. They started 2 d-league guys down the stretch when Calderon, Bayless, and Bargs would have all been playing if they were competing for playoff positioning. Casey sat DD entirely in some 4th quarters.

      They just didn’t tank as hard, or as early, as some other teams, and that’s what ultimately bothers me. If you want a top 5 pick, you have to be willing to commit more to the tank. They committed half-assed, and this is their reward.

    • Raptorboy

      agreed…tanking is never the answer…bad karma…bad habits for all involved. Raptors are building a winning culture. That’s the best way to go. Coach and BC want to teach these boys to win. Sounds like a pretty good front office to me. We are on a good path. Our future looks good. We just need to give our young players time and the right guidance to reach their potential. With the position Miami is in it will take at least 2-3 years before injuries or league restrictions bring them back to earth anyways. Hopefully we’ll be knocking on the door by then.

      • FLUXLAND

        “Optimism: The doctrine that
        everything is beautiful, including what is ugly, everything is good,
        especially the bad, and everything right that is wrong. … It is
        hereditary, but fortunately not contagious.”

        • Theswirsky

          “It is hereditary, but fortunately not contagious.”

          hahaha

        • p00ka

          Expressing your basketball expertise again? btw, optimism isn’t such a bad thing. You outta try it sometime. It’s what draws many fans to sport: there’s enough more important things in the world to complain/whine about every day. At least you got laughs from another whine connoisseur.

          • FLUXLAND

            Let me guess.. you were typing that with Christina Aguilera’s “You’re
            Beautiful” playing in your headphones, while admiring your
            “participation plaques” and 9th place ribbons?

            • Destro

              I guarantee you this Pooka is going to be doing cha cha’s on church street this weekend…

              • p00ka_is_a_fish

                I’ve been on him for a while now, p00ka is a FISH.

                • p00ka

                  You’re a skitzo that is so psyched out about me that you see me coming around every corner when someone new, that doesn’t fit your script, shows up. You’ve been so off base with your paranoia so often it’s funny as hell.

            • hater

              stupidity is hereditary and it looks like u got that gene. just do us a favor and dont pass it on, u and destro both lmao.

              • p00ka_is_a_fish

                oh cool story bro, you a doctor?

                • hater

                  ya i am, and u need a mental assesment u freak.

              • FLUXLAND

                Irony?

                Stupidity is, in fact, not hereditary. Your post only proves you believe anything you are told, like a good like optimist that BC likes in his propaganda army.

                • p00ka

                  Wow, your parents are actually intelligent? Life is full of surprises, 😉

                • hater

                  wel how the fuck did u get the stupidity gene then lmao? i didnt say anything bout kisin bc’s ass dummy, I said youre just stupid point blank.

  • Raptorbones

    Ross has more skill now than DD does after years in the NBA. DD was (still is imo) raw coming out of college. Ross has that “I can score on you at anytime” mentality. DD “I’ll take it if I’m supposed to” mentality”. Ross is a baller. DD may have a greater verticle and weighs a little more but that’s it. DD- poor defense, no rebounds, poor passer, can’t create for himself let alone others, and low B-ball IQ  . Ross will be better in the NBA across the board.

    • Bponcho

      Finally someone who knows basketball.
      Ross is better across the board already.
      I smell a trade is coming with DD part of a package going out 

    • Noah Body

      Doesn’t DD have terrible lateral quickness, too? I believe that is a big reason he cannot defend better.

  • raptorpoo

    Conspiracy theories:

    1. BC actually knows what he’s doing. He knows that even if we had (say) Barnes that our ‘core’ pieces is still a pathetic group – in terms of being actual contenders – and he knows Jonas is not going to be of any seriously impact to the win columns anytime soon so he’s building the Ibaka/Sefolosia’s of the team and keeps tanking to win the likes of Shabaaz, Parker, Randle, or Wiggins as our center pieces. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!! 

    2. BC and Clev’s GM are on a third party’s payroll and their mission is to sabotage the picks so that the third party’s team can get their pick. Hmmm~ could be Dumars that smart, sneaky guy. We need to get the league to investigate~

  • TradeDD

    I like DD but he lacks creativity as a shooting guard. At 6’7″ Ross will have no problem getting his shot off as his natural release point is high. DD has a manufactured shot which is very mechanical. Until Demar can dribble two steps with the ball (try, just try a cross over), fake at least a pass, let alone shot(low IQ) he will not get any better. You can teach a player skills but not IQ. Ross adds a bit of smarts and a larger set of tools for Casey to deploy.

  • NyAlesund

    Ross has offensive e defensive talent. Let him to show. Now is important to add pieces in order to improve the quality of the team.

  • Truthkiller

    Fact of the matter Ross at #8 was a REACH!!! Everyone knows it, except some loser Raptor fans. You draft Best Available Talent… Ross is a bench player who can’t get his own shot and has a weak handle. Even Sonny Weems can get his own shot, fucking great we drafted Demar 2.0

  • Truthkiller

    Jonathan Bender, Rafael Araujo, Charlie Villaneuva, Joey Graham…Terrence Ross???

  • hater

    I don’t get all the hype for barnes created by raps fans. you heard the guys downtalking him when he was drafted, said he needed to work on his footwork…a lot,  and he has to show a lot more intensity. if anything, i’d like him becuz we need a SF, but outside of being a good jump shooter I dont see him doin much else. he’s no more of a savior than ross is and not one of those regretting moves imo..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

    I’m going to hold my opinions of this pick till the season begins. I believe we could have traded down to take Ross if we wanted him. The Bobcats kind of ruined BCs plan as MJ took MKG which caused Washington to take Beal. Cleveland was searching for a guard and when Beal was gone, they took Waiters, in which BC thought Waiters would land at the 8 spot. 

  • ad

    BC has gone nuts. Drafting Terrence Ross. Amnestying Calderon? Going after 38 yr old steve nash? Look, im not the biggest calderon fan but is he a player you amnesty? Get some value out of him you fucking tool, BC. I love nash but hes is fucking old and my gut says he wants to go to a contending team at his age no matter how much $ the raps throw at him. I dont know why the raptors are so confident nash will sign. All he has to do is look at the 18 yrs of existence of this team and see how mlse is not committed to winning. Just putting butts in the seats.  This offseason has the potential for disaster and might be the nail in BC’s coffin as GM.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Completely agree. I don’t understand why we should be going after Steve Nash. To throw 10 mil a year at him and expect him to get us to get a 8th seed and a first round exit. Who knows if he will put up another season like he had last year. This can be a situation like when we had with Hakeem where we just threw money at a HOFer and we had these high expectations and it just completely choked. 

    • p00ka

      I must have missed something. When did Jose get amnestied? As is often the case on here, strong opinions about your imagination. That may be valuable in fantasyland, but useless here.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

        There were reports that they would amnesty Jose to offer Nash more money. They are going to offer Nash 12 million a year, which is a bad move in the first place. Then they need more money to get another small forward because Ross or James Johnson ain’t going to cut it starting next year.

  • TheTyrant

    Check out this guys stroke and footwork.. very consistent. These things will translate well
    http://www.rantsports.com/toronto-raptors/2012/06/28/justifying-the-terrence-ross-selection-by-the-toronto-raptors/

  • Tesla

    This comment section is the funniest shit I’ve read in a long time. Not surprised, it IS post-draft day. Haha, keep it guys !

  • Tim

    Got to Love the BC fan boys !! Till 3 days ago, none of them even knew who was this T.R. dude and if someone here would suggest to pick him at 8, they would ask for his head.
    None of you had him on your draft radar and now suddenly because you idol BC picked him about 12 spot too early !! you all are parsing him and …

    So our first year of our rebuild, retool or … has resulted in T.R.  :)
    yayyyy, we are on our way to become OKC the difference is they picked guys like Durant, Westbrroks and Harden and we are stuck with DD and T.R. which is in best case, a rotational guy, a decent bench player in this league.

    • cdub

      For me personally, there was really no one in this draft I was overly excited about that we were going to get at the 8 anyway.  Casey got a guy that defensively fits into his system and can cover multiple positions and recover quickly.  BC got a guy who can drain the open perimeter shot that he wanted.    Either way I think Ross was taken because that’s the guy Casey wanted in his system, and that’s perfectly fine with me. 

      There was no need for a 4 a 5 or a 1 really as I beleive they are going all out to sign Nash.   I can’t believe people actually don’t want him signed its absurd.  You guys are in never ending rebuild mode the raptors can’t get anyone over 25 apparently or they are scarificing this endless rebuild somehow.  I want to watch them win, and I think Nash and derozan and bargs playing together would be pretty good compared to what I have been watching for the last several years.  I would be ok if they kept Calderon as well.  His still a solid player and has a mighty attractive contract they could trade at any time if needed this season.

  • FAQ

    Okay…. I think we can all agree that this draft was a washout for the Raptors and they are forced to look for FA help… because what we’ve got is just not that impressive no matter how much your mangle it.

    Now BC should be planning for #1 pick next draft…..