If we had some momentum in this franchise, had won a playoff round or two, were on the cusp of achieving something meaningful, and then added Nash as a finishing touch, this offer would make a helluva lot more sense than it does now. As it stands, this is 90% a PR move to help with declining attendance numbers, masked behind the story that Nash can reinvigorate this franchise by getting JoVal’s NBA career off to a solid start by running the pick ‘n roll like only he can.

I accept the offer, not because it can be endorsed from a basketball/rebuilding POV, but because that’s what I’ve come to expect of Colangelo: flash. The decision to make this offer is definitely helped by the lack of obvious free-agent PG options out there (even though Williams, Gordon and Dragic are available), the Raptors unattractive position in terms of promising winning, and the potential economic benefits of having Nash in Toronto. Kyle Lowry might be a good fit for this team, and fit much better in Casey’s defensive system than Nash, but I doubt Joe Bornahockeyfan will care about seeing Lowry vigorously hedge and trap. Nash makes sense – from an economic standpoint.

Raptors fans are used to basically crying while watching the games, and Nash would at least make the games more watchable, so even if your basketball ethos demand that you be against this move, consider the sensory pleasures – even if ever so brief – that this might bring to the ACC. If that doesn’t do it for you, let the spin doctors frame this move in a way that’s more digestible:

Nash, who also met Sunday with the New York Knicks, is seen as the key ingredient to an accelerated building process the Raptors are trying to implement.

Yes, yes, the “accelerated building process”, of course, how could I forget.

As mentioned yesterday (and likely the day before that and the one before that), Calderon’s going to be the sacrificial lamb here. Either we’ll trade him to free up cap space (more TPEs we won’t use!!!), or we’ll amnesty him. If we can’t find a suitor, then it’ll be a double-whammy for the Raptors because they’d amnesty a perfectly fine contract and overpay a 38-year old. The talk of amnestying Kleiza is all well and and good, but remember that he’s JoVal’s chaperon so I don’t see that happening. I vote down any Amir Johnson amnesty because he’s a decent player for the money (especially considering Asik’s offersheet – WTF?!) and plays hard. The guy played center last year FFS.

While Nash is the Raptors’ #1 target, he’s a little down the road for teams like Brooklyn and Dallas, who are competing for Deron Williams, so I would think that the Nash situation would only get resolved after Williams’ deal has been sorted out. The team where Nash would, hypothetically at least, be the best fit is NY where he’d be reunited with Stoudemire and resume running the best pick ‘n roll the league has seen since Stockton/Malone. The problem there is that the Knicks can only offer him $3M/yr unless they get Phoenix to do a S&T, which the Suns don’t really want to do since they want to use the money freed by Nash on other PGs (like Williams, Dragic, Gordon, which you might argue is what the Raptors should be doing).

Are we offering too much money to Nash? Of course we are, a 38-year old on a crap team making $12M is ridiculous – no arguments, but as Colangelo already said this year, “money supercedes most concerns” and the Raptors expect to give “above market deals” to people to get them to sign. From Nash’s perspective, does he play in Toronto pressure-free for $12M, or chase a ring in pressure-packed NY for $3M. Money talks and bullshit walks.

  • Copywryter

    Good post. Huge fan of Nash, not a fan of him coming here for the resasons above and a few more. Nash will make us better, not good. That means lower draft picks on a team that lacks talent (both depth and elite players). We are also then locked into a constant “when and how do we replace Nash?” guessing game, and might need to draft to replace him. We’ll know soon I guess.

    Secondly, Nash makes average players look good, sometimes really good (I see you Jared Dudley).  Does that help us evaluate JV? Do we want to groom him this way?  
    I learned a lot about Colangelo this weekend. Shame. 

    • LeeZ

      That’s actually an excellent point you made: he doesn’t make the players around him better, he makes them LOOK better by giving them ridiculously open looks at the rim or at the 3-pt. line. This is not an argument in semantics; once Nash is gone, will these players continue to perform at the high level that Nash will facilitate? Or will they come back down to earth, now that their ridiculously open looks are gone?

      • WhiteVegas

        They will all certainly be considered more valuable around the league (that’s half the battle). If we can see DeRozan look like a competent SG/SF then his contract would be an extremely valuable trade piece (Rudy Gay perhaps?).

        • Rapsberry

          All of which still puts the Raps being serious contenders light years away. “Can Nash make Dero look better, so as to make him more tradeable next year….”

          It’s all crap talk. A real tactitcian has a “plan”.

          Where’s B.C.’s plan. How does Nash fit it? What’s he building for the future?

          • mountio

            See below . what “plan” is finishing 9th/10th and getting a draft pick around 10th-12th next year?? Cause thats exactly where we are headed if we do nothing. I love the theory of building through the draft .. but we missed the boat on that by developing a “winning culture” down the stretch last year ..

            • sleepz

              You don’t know where they will end up drafting. You are making an assumption which is fine but the lottery is exactly as it’s name indicates.

              • mountio

                yes … of course Im making an assumption .. Im speaking to the likely outcome .. which is exactly what you should do when making a “plan”. Could we finish 10th last and draw the first ping pong ball? Absolutely. Could we finish dead last due to a rash of injuries and other unexpected things? Sure. Would we be idiots to plan for the unlikely? Yes.
                The decision to sign or not to sign Nash has to be measured against the most likely outcomes otherwise. I suggest this is a finish around 10th last, which gives us something like 2% chance of getting the first overall pick. If your suggestion is that we should pass up on Nash because this would be the key to our rebuilding success .. then I disagree.
                Having said that .. if we are where we are and dont get Nash .. Im cool with that too .. Ill hope we get lucky and build the slow way through the draft. All im saying is it would be dumb to pass something up thinking we are starring at a top 3 pick next year if we dont .. because thats just not a very likely outcome at all.

                • Copywryter

                  Lets assume Nash comes here and plays three strong seasons. The team makes the playoffs all three years but loses in the first round. DeRozan becomes a steady everyday player, Bargs leaves in 2015 to chase max money after a career season (helped by Nash) Calderon is traded for a SF, Ross becomes a decent starter (not many projected mid-lottery picks have become elites, so I’m averaging).  We pick up a good free agent SG along the way.

                  I’ll get to JV shortly.

                  At the end of year 3 nash retires, leaving us with a middling, if watchable, team. 
                  IF JV turns out to be the kind of player you can build around then we will be  trying to find an elite PG AND scoring option plus fill other holes — basically creating a new team around him — sound like Bosh to you? If JV is a dud then we have wasted those three years paying Nash 12.5 million and will have almost nothing to show for it and no high picks to rebuild around. 

                • mountio

                  So .. lets assume that we do nothing and play it out this year. We finish 10th last and get the 10th pick in a brutal draft .. who will be as good as TR if we are VERY lucky.
                  We have a little more cap space cause Jose is gone .. but wtf do we do with it, because, as weve seen before .. no one wants to come here (combo of Canada plus losing team). So – we are on the same treadmill at the end of the next year. If JV turns out great .. then maybe we are a playoff team barely – but our draft picks are worse.
                  The bottom line … Id rather take a chance that having nash here gives us a chance at other free agents and we can make a go of it. If JV is great .. hes better off in this scneario than the above.
                  Its not that a i dont get the “build thru the draft concept” .. and I totally buy into it. Its just that .. weve had our window, weve got a few young guys and our team is too good (I know that sounds weird) to rebuild that way. If you said we should trade AB, DD for draft picks and play it out with Jonas, TR, maybe ED plus scrubs .. then at least I could buy into that. But – WE ARE NOT GETTING A TOP 5 PICK IN THE STATUS QUO .. im not sure why people dont get that …
                  So, I say roll the dice ..

    • wesmantooth

      if he makes average players look good, then he sure will be upping the value of a lot of raptors!(i see u marion) don’t see a problem there.. 
      i dont understand your point. if he makes a player look really good it means his stats are REALLY GOOD!! dont see a problem there..
      do we want to groom him this way?? by giving a euro center some confidence?
      bring him into the league by playing to his strengths? YES..
      where is the negative in all this??
      also in terms of value. he’ll instantly make the raps more popular which will make the players and destination more popular. if DD,jj and Tross are throwing down highlight dunks all year it can only help!
      also this may be reaching and generalizing  but  the mentality of nba players is if there playing well on O theyre more likely to play D! 
      just sayin…

      • Copywryter

        You answered your own question. He upped the value of Marion so significantly that we overpaid to get him. That didn’t make us better because Marion wasn’t actually that good, and it CERTAINLY didn’t make Phoenix better to lose a free agent. That could easily happen to us.

        As for JV, look at Stoudemire. He’s a fine offensive player who excels in the pick and roll. Nash made him look so good that talked himself into his own importance, garnered a huge contract in NY and promptly revealed all of his weaknesses. If you’re a New Yorker, would you want A’mare’s Nash-bloated stats or would you rather have known what you were getting?

        Finally, how does a 38-year-old player make Toronto more popular? Let me repeat that for you. He’s 38. Did a 36 or 37-year-old Nash make Phoenix more popular? Outside of Canada we’ll be a laughing stock because it’s so damn obvious that he’s a show pony for a desperate team. 

        • wesmantooth

          first of all if i recall we didnt pay marion anything! traded him for hedo ,because we realized what he wasnt nearly as good without nash.
           the point is that we’re getting the best version of our players because they’ll be playing with him!
          youre proving my point by saying ‘Nash made him look so good” whats wrong with that??!
          if our guys are looking so good that means that theyre playing”so good”
          i’ll take 3 yrs of jv having the perception that hes awesome and worth something rather then whatever youre talking about! 
          and yes he did make his shitty team popular over the last 3 years. the suns were on tnt and espn all the time this year and nash is a draw..how can u deny that? .if your saying nash isnt popular then u live in a cave and know nothing.. the raptors have been mentioned more on espn and other us networks in the last 3 days then all of last year, and not ina this is a crazy desperate contract kinda way. the guy was 2nd in the league in assists last year with nobody to pass to. 
          youre arguing against him with the point that hes so good. doesnt make sense..
          and his age isnt an issue. hes a freak of nature and hes had hardly any drop off.
          if you enjoy tanking uncompetitive seasons where youre already talking about the lottery and whos good in college at the allstar break, then your point makes sense..see the last 3 yrs..
          i personally like a team with a leader and a realistic chance of a post season..

        • wesmantooth

          oh and by the way..we’re already a laughing stock if you hadnt noticed! only up from here dude! and if i were a newyorker? i am a newyorker! and i’d rather have amare with nash! to answer your question

  • FAQ

    It make perfect sense for tribal honking sucker fans … in Moronto….

  • Johnson

    Do people really think that signing Nash is going to hurt this franchise? NEWSFLASH: Even without Nash there is NO WAY IN HELL that the Raps do worse than last year where they finished 8th worst. No way. Not with Casey given a full off season and the addition of J-Val and Ross and whoever else besides Nash they choose to sign. Without Nash this team will still battle for the 8th seed and even if they don’t get it there is no way they are gonna draft higher than 8th next year unless they get lucky in the lottery. I don’t see how this harms the rebuild… it’s not like the Raptors desperately need more mid-late lottery picks…

    • Copywryter

      If we won the GS coin flip and lost one more game last year we might have picked 4th or 5th. If we get Nash we likely win 5-10 more games and draft 12-15th. How is that an improvement? What team in the last ever has built an elite squad this way?

      • mountio

        True .. except that outside of NO – we added the most impactful rookies by far (JV and TR) and will have a full season of AB. Throw on top of that that Chad Ford just said that next year’s draft could be the worst in a decade .. then what exactly are we missing out on with our 10th-12th draft pick we would have if nash doesnt come?

        • Copywryter

          I’d still rather have the 4th pick in an awful draft than the 12th. 

          How do you know our rookies will have such an impact? Most pundits rated the Ross draft ‘interesting’, not ‘steal’. Last time BC bucked conventional wisdom we got Turkoglu. 

          • mountio

            Well .. JV is widely regarded as the 2nd best player had he come out this year .. so add that to the 8th pick .. tell me another lottery team that helped themselves more than we did (as I said, other than NO who got Davis and Rivers .. even though I dont think Rivers will do much)
            Add to that a presumably healthy AB and I just dont see how we are a bottom five team in the league. If we were, id be all for tanking and going young for the top pick .. but if we are picking 10th without Nash and 15-20th with him .. not much of a difference to me .. and certainly not a reason not to sign him

        • WhiteVegas

           +1

        • FLUXLAND

          “most impactful rookies by far” wow.

          • mountio

            what lottery team would you argue (outside of NO) will have more impactful rookies?

            • FLUXLAND

              The point is, how do you make that claim without seeing them play a second of NBA ball?

              JV is far more likely to be a fouling machine and a space cadet once he realizes these guys move at light speed compared to anything he has ever seen. US players are still not fond of Europeans coming over and taking their paychecks, they will be salivating to crush this kid. A project maybe..impactful? His current skill-set doesn’t speak impactful at all, at least not to me.

              As far as T-Ross, he’s wasn’t on anyone’s “most impactful rookie by far” list, so again, where are your claims coming from?  Right now, he’s a clearly an over-hyped kid.. he made some improvements after settling in his program and his coach sold him to BC, but he also has a “disappears during games” tag; meaning he’s more likely to be hot and cold than “impactful”. Not to mention he too hasn’t faced NBA type defenses or banged out 82 games a year. When the coach is resorting to: “His mom was a shooter”, within 2 minutes of speaking about him, red flags should be going up.

              To take a page out of G2G book:

              “Don’t believe the hype – its a sequel.”

              • mountio

                The point is .. you have to plan based on some sort of expected outcome for next year .. this is what you should measure whether or not to sign Nash against and what you are “giving up” by signing him now.
                What is your best guess of how this team finishes as currently made up? Given this piece of shit team could only finish 8th last this year with AB out half the year . I have a hard time believing they will be worse. But .. Im all years if you have any predictions that suggest otherwise ..

                • FLUXLAND

                  I reserve my assumptions/predictions for when I’ve actually seen the team play the first 10 games (and ignore the record)..by then you will have a much clearer picture of who’s who and what is going on.

                  The roster hasn’t even been set, so how on Earth are you making these predictions based on a potential signing? And sure you have to plan, but planning a best case scenario seem childish as you are ignoring BC’s stunning ability to assemble teams where players hate playing with each other.

                  The Nash signing is mutually exclusive, IMO. 

                  And sure, after they were clearly tanking games last year, would it be such a huge leap to think if they do not do this again, that they will win more games? No. 

                  Yet, what does any of that have to do with you claiming “we added the most impactful rookies by far”?

                   

                • mountio

                  Well, if I had to chose between the consensus #2 this year (JV) plus the #9 (assuming the others slid back) .. and even if you think ross is a reach .. lets say hes the #12 .. #2 and #12 is better than any influx on any other team – as I said, the the exception of NO.
                  So, yes, I would take the impact of JV+TR vs any of MKG, BB, TR, HB any day of the week.
                  Like you love to say “we havent seen them play a game in the NBA” .. yup, thats true for all .. but I think anyone who follows the league would take JV+TR over any one of those other guys. If you have a reason not to .. would love to hear it .. although Im not sure Im up for one of your endless rambling debates … the box is already getting thin

                • FLUXLAND

                  “I would take the impact of JV+TR vs any of MKG, BB, TR, HB any day of
                  the week.”

                  Enough said. To wit, your thinking seems to be influenced by what position in the draft a player is picked, not much else.

                  I hate the thin boxes as well, but you should know me well enough to know we will be revisiting your statement during the season. : )  And FWIW, the child fan in me hopes you are right, but I’m not holding my breath.

                • mountio

                  fair enough .. i look forward to hindsight half way through the year. If we dont sign Nash / others … I hope you are right .. give me a top 3 pick next year please. If we do, I hope Im right ..

              • Rob

                A few things, how do you see Terrence Ross as overhyped? I can recall BC calling him a “solid piece to the puzzle” not a franchise player, same goes with Valanciunas. You want overhyped? See AB/DD. And of course Ross hasn’t faced NBA defenses or played 82 games a year, I can’t think of any 2012 NBA draftee that did, can you?

                Define impactful, does it involve helping a team win? Does a rim-protecting, mobile, athletic, high-motor, long big-man with promising post-skills not scream impactful to you? Neither of us know how he’ll fare in the NBA, but to say his skill-set won’t translate to impactful (by the proper definition) NBA play, isn’t fair, unless you’re speaking of his rookie season, which probably, and fairly, be less than impactful. 

                And below, you said you’ll reserve your assumptions/predictions for when you’ve actually seen the team play for the first 10 games, yet by this post, and most of your posts, it appears you’re doing anything but that. Seems more like predictions stated with conviction to me. 

                • FLUXLAND

                  Roberta, again?

                  T-Ross overhyped in the sense of his shooting and defense being spoken of as a done and done deal, like we’ve seen him play in L for years and these are givens.  Assumptions, at best. 

                  Impactful to me sounds like a game changer or someone who will influence the outcome of a game with his skill/will, not “helping the team win” which sounds like a contributor (dime a dozen of those).

                  Impactuful and solid piece… semantic nit picking coming from a BC believer.

                  “Rim-protecting, mobile, athletic, high-motor, long big-man with
                  promising post-skills”  You have already attributed these labels to him and he hasn’t played in the NBA. Maybe those are applicable in some teenage competition, but sounds to me like “predictions stated with conviction to me”, Robbie boy.  Let’s see if they hold up when he’s playing vs men of the NBA.

                  My take is far more realistic, at this point, then your optimistic one.

                  Are we done here?

                • Rob

                  Damn, still couldn’t leave the ad-hominem personal attacks out of it and have a proper rebuttal, not surprised, always being partial and influenced by your personal feelings toward me or the team, and yet you have the audacity to speak of having a realistic take on things,. Hil-air.

                  You can’t help the team win without being impactful, and vice versa. The key word here being consistently and preferably in all facets of the game. That’s realistic.

                  You must be a wet-behind-the-ears puckheaded Leafs fan, or Joanna Bornahockeyfan. That’s realistic. 

                  Who spoke of Ross in that regard? Many said he has NBA range on his jumper, that’s not overhyping at all. Everyone said he’s a solid guy with low bust potential, a safe one, no one said he’s spectacular, but you seem to think as much. That’s realistic.

                  Those are very accurate labels ma’am, in grown men competition, and I didn’t say they’d translate over to a league with the best players in the world, that’s realistic. Promising doesn’t mean finished, it means promising, that’s realistic. I agree, let’s see if they translate to the NBA, I didn’t say they will, but since you’re always making supposedly informed predictions, I’d like your bold opinion (sorry fact) on how JV and Ross will perform in the NBA, who knows, maybe you’ll come back one day parading about how you were right, that’s realistic. lol

                  Man, hard to believe that out of 100,000,000 sperm, you were the fastest. That’s realistic.

                • FLUXLAND

                  “Good too see Fluxland hasn’t stopped with her pontificated bullshit.
                  I’ve always thought that she’d be best suited to work for the tabloids,
                  that way, somebody would actually care to listen to her misinformation
                  and blabber.”

                  When your 1st exchange with me begins with this, don’t expect me to relent or forget. You asked for it, deal with it Roberta.

                  The rest of your post (written vomit) doesn’t deserve a reply because you reading comprehension sucks ( as I said iIwill wait until i see them play, but you want predictions), you keep arguing with the “everyone said” logic and don’t hold any original thought, continue to argue based solely on your definitions, that predictably change from post to post, while ignoring point others make.  Not to mention these boxes get to small to counter every minute semantic point you make, while trying to draw out the discussion to oblivion. It’s either that or you are incapable of getting to the point, but that’s not surprising because you don’t have a point to make, you just wanna dance in circles. 

                  Hard to believe you figured out how to turn on a computer, let alone type.

                  In conclusion, Pooka is Rob, clearly. 

                • Rob

                  My Simian friend,

                  Our first exchange wasn’t like that, don’t you remember “Rob-life accomplishments=failed clown” in a post that had nothing to do with you in the first place. It’s right in your history, just an avatar click away, and it’s funny, you also go by the name “W.W Worthless Writer” haha, nice admission, there’s something we can agree on. If you want to have a proper, civilized debate, I’m all for it, but I don’t do childish name-calling merry-go-round games, which is unfortunate because there are the odd times where you can post without any of this nonsense.

                  More tap-dancing, accusations, opinions posted with conviction and nothing of substance. You’re worse than any of the pollyannas here, and are clearly a paid shill. Born with your eyes closed and they still haven’t opened, one day you’ll learn what the real world is like hopefully.

                  One more thing Flux, I truly believe that your character will improve upon death. Take that as a compliment.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Rob, my favourite mongoloid, Touche on the initial exchange, yet it stemmed from your attack on someone else, if I recall correctly. And you would know all about interjecting in discussion that have nothing to do with you.

                  The WW thing is odd.. I’m not even sure how that got there, those are the initials of another writer and I called him that based on his extremely narrow minded post on another site.

                  The rest of your post, good for laughs, your court jester career intact and confirmed.

                  You could die a 1000 deaths and your character wouldn’t even stand a chance of improving.  

                • Rob

                  W.W, worthless writer. Couldn’t say it any better.

                • p00ka

                  Thank you for the compliment, but Rob is more literate and not near as jaded by reading pathetic clowns (“real fans” according to some)) on here for as long as I have.
                  Are you the “pooka-is-a-fish” dude that’s so psyched out that he keeps seeing me in any new poster that differs with him, or are you simply another one for my list?

                • Rob

                  You’re right about that, and I’m not as used to dealing with pathetic clowns on this site as you have, but have seen my fair share; this is the internet, lots of creeps and weirdos out there.

                  Accusing someone of being someone else is taking the high-road and a cheap cop-out. Madam Flux over here has no legitimate points, and again, resorts to wild accusations that have no proof in an attempt to sway the conversation away from what was originally being discussed.  Clearly, these 2 goons are one of the same, cyber-psychos.      

          • Samuel L Jackson

            hi vince

      • Johnson

         The way I see it the Raptors will win 5-10 more games without Nash simply because of added talent in Val and Ross and whatever other free agents they sign (at least one fairly significant free agent addition is a virtual guarantee along with whatever player(s) they choose to trade for). Also Casey will be given a full off-season with the players which he didn’t have last year and he still got them from worst D in the league to 14th without any change in talent. IF ANYONE SERIOUSLY THINKS THAT THE RAPTORS WOULD DO WORSE THAN LAST IF THEY DONT GET NASH ARE CLUELESS. Barring major injuries this year, there is no fuckin way that the Raptors end up with top-5 odds in the lottery. If the Raptors do sign Nash it is more rational to think that it makes the team likely contenders for as high as the 6th seed instead of just the 8th. Either way the Raps are not set up to win the championship anytime soon, so might as well sign Nash so that we can watch exciting basketball.

        • mountio

          +1 well said .. its really that simple.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Well I think after this crap addition we still would have enough for a decent SF

  • Daniel

    I’ll just copy this comment from the previous posting:
    When did Nash play with rookies and young players? All his career at Dallas or Phoenix they wanted to win therefore they had practically no rookies. The assumptions made about Nash joining the Raptors are mind-boggling: mentor, contender, etc. The facts are that the Suns, with better talent, have not made the play-offs in the last 3 years, that he never mentored anybody or proved that he can play with young players, that he failed the only time the Suns brought a defensive-minded coach, that he plays a position that is already a strngth for this team while we need starters at SG, SF and C. I finally understood the Raps’ strategy: when everything else fails just wrap yourself in the national flag and on Canada Day make a crazy offer to the best Canadian basketball player. Never mind that it doesn’t make any sense from a basketball point of view as long as it make sense from a business point of view. This is the lowest an organization can go. What are the odds of this strategy blowing up? My estimate is that there is an 80% likelihood this move will be a failure. Then how long will the initial excitement last? If Nash’s back doesn’t hold up or we don’t make the play-offs what will be the Plan B? Desperate measures are all or nothing: not a good place to be as an organization. In addition if Nash doesn’t sign here the damage left by this attempt will be huge. I’m not sure the other players on this roster are happy with what’s happening when they all declared they consider Calderon a leader. It is shocking that the organization didn’t learn anything from Hakeem’s move who had a PER of 20.7 in his last year in Houston.    

    • DoNDaDDa

      the suns have had a horrible team the last couple years…

    • ad

       Going after nash is a typical MLSE move. Its all about $ and profit with them. Thats why they’re so behind signing nash even if it makes zero basketball sense. Winning is secondary.

      • WhiteVegas

         We win a lot more games with Nash than without. So how does this show they don’t care about winning?

        • pran

          b/c nash is not a long term solution at 38, upgrading a position where we arguably have a starting calibre player (jose) and paying him 12 M means we cannot spend as much to get talent at the wing positions, where we are lacking. 

          the nash move is shortsighted.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          If it costs us them an extra 36 million, than that money can’t be spent on players of greater skill set. In the end, it will cost the team wins and will bite MLSE in the ass

      • Rubuntech

        How is this a typical MLSE move? When have they ever persued a FA of this cailber – never. Profit alwaysplays apart otherwise every team would be in the luxury tax. Raptors, plain and simple need to revive this franchise – Nash would be a good start but hopefully not the end.

  • minks77

    Why does the anti Nash camp keep bringing up goran? Houston has said theyll match any offer and not waivered at all. The chances we bring him here are close to zero to none.

    Secondly when the author says “Gordon” I assume he means Eric Gordon who just so happens to be a scoring guard. He doesn’t play point at all and the only pg like part of him is his height.

    Nash still produces at an elite level and is a definIte step up from Jose. This team needs a little star power anyway.

    • Arsenalist

      As I said yesterday, sign me up for Nash.  Let’s just call it what it essentially is, though –  a PR move.

      • Geo

        why is it a pr move? please explain the pg options out there….and dont tell me lowry. The way i see it is nash is the best pg available not named deron williams. 

        • The Rub

           Why not mention Lowry? He’s the best choice.  And just because there aren’t great options at one position 1 year doesn’t mean you have to handcuff yourself by taking what is there.

          We should be throwing all the money we have at Eric Gordon and trading for Lowry. 

          • mountio

            hey .. if gordon would sign here .. im sure we would take him .. but thats not happening (at least not without nash first!)

          • Nilanka15

            How quickly we forget that Eric Gordon is made of glass. A 38 year old Nash is far less of a health risk than Gordon.

          • WhiteVegas

             NO has stated repeatedly they will match any offer for Gordon, who is restricted, so forgot about that. Lowry only has 2 years left on his deal and then will be looking for a big raise. Lowry got outplayed by Dragic in Houston. I don’t see how the 2nd best PG on a lottery team is supposed to be the PG of the future for Toronto? Trading for Lowry we have to give up assets (Ross, future 1st), signing Nash all we give up is cap space (we have a ton and no other realistic options to spend it on).

        • Arsenalist

          Sign Deron Williams.  I thought BC was supposed to be the super suave dude who is so respected across the league, and is so creative with salary cap etc that he can get deals like those done.  Isn’t his “charisma” half the reason people like him?  What benefit have the Raptors reaped from his personality, that is so heavily sold as the BC package?  Lost Bosh for nothing? Kapono/Jack/Kleiza? Turk? JO?

          And why the hell wouldn’t I mention Lowry?  He’s 26, a great defender, and plays haard!

          • sleepz

            We are the only franchise in the league that would continue to pay Colangelo what we do, for the same results we continue to get.

          • John

            God Bless You …
            The problem is that there are NOT many Raptor fans that think like you. Prime example is Matt52 that runs the board here on this same site. 
            Look at how they are trying to convince themselves  and others that signing Nash makes sense !!!
            BC is blessed by Gods to have these fans fooled like this.

          • mountio

            Id love to get either .. but do you think they are coming here? If its not realistic (Deron is going Nets/Mavs .. nowhere else) .. then why even bother mentioning it. Id love to trade for LBJ too .. but its not in the cards.
            Lowry maybe (id say doubtful, but maybe). When we are turning down young studs in favour of nash .. Ill be up in arms too .. that would be dumb .. but when we are turning down J Lin for the same money give or take .. its a No Brainer.

      • minks77

        PR move? Sure, but aren’t you skimming past obvious basketball reasons like, say, he’s an elite shooter (historically) still finds dimes like nobodies business and can run pick n roll and pick n pop perfectly, especially with a deadly shooter in bargs and a crashing roller like JV (is supposed to be).

        I don’t see the point of tying up more money and years in any of the currently available PGs nor does next years draft class look super awesome for points.

        I’d rather pay old man Nash than put down max for iggy/granger/batum

      • mountio

        If you mean PR move in the sense that it will make our games more entertaining .. then yes, Ill give you that. Or in the sense that he could draw FAs to TO .. Ill give you that too.
        But – this move makes basketball sense – it makes more business sense, Ill grant you .. but it certainly makes basketball sense as well.
        Lin on the other hand .. thats a total side show “PR” move that I can not get behind in any way shape or form.

        • Geo

          if the raptors sign lin…i will not watch another raptor game…

          • Johnson

             Amen to that! Lin is the NBA’s lesser version of Tim Tebow

          • The Truth

             This is in fact the one reason I am hoping Nash signs, because I just know that if that falls over Lin will be the next one they go after.

      • WhiteVegas

        A PR move that also happens to add 5-10 more wins to a team that without Nash was still a lock to compete for the 7th or 8th seed in the East. So we get great PR and go from battling for the 8th seed to battling for the 5th seed. Oh, and I can watch Raptors basketball without throwing my remote/feeling like I’m going to vomit.
        It’s a PR move, but also gets us the second best FA PG on the market, who also happens to be a superstar still playing at an all star level. Sorry, but until I see Nash flopping around on the court holding his back and missing half the season, this is still a great BASKETBALL, not just PR, move.

        • sleepz

          “without Nash was still a lock to cmpete for the 7th or 8th seed in the East.” Really? Because they have 2 new rookies to hype up?

          Kind of like how if Andrea doesn’t get hurt they make the playoffs last year beating out Philly or NY? They were a lot closer to the bottom feeders than they were to the playoffs and thats a fact.

          The “stretching” is getting out of hand.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Oh wait he cost 36 million dollars, forgot about that part.
          I’ll pass for 5-10 more wins and settle for chucking my remote

      • Rapsilly

        I’m still not sure why you’d go with Nash over, let’s say, Calderon for another year, a lottery pick next year, a couple of good signs before the trade deadline. Who says we need to make the playoffs next year. I’m for whatever it takes, and however long it takes, to build a contender.

        • mountio

          Great rhetoric .. not sure its practical. If I thought we were headed for a top 3 pick next year .. I would agree with your plan whole-heartedly. But we arent! We only got as bad as 8th last year, thats with keeping our top 5 pick overseas and AB playing less than half the year. Like it or not, we are headed for a 9th/10th place finish this year, without nash .. and a 10ish pick. How does that get us over the hump?

          • Johnson

            You are totally right! People on this forum are so pessimistic and undersell this team. Maybe if Triano was the coach I might think that the team could potentially finish bottom 5, but there is no possible way that is happening with Casey.. Raps fans also think that BC is gonna sign Nash and thats it lol he is obviously gonna go sign / trade for someone else if he gets Nash or not. Even if the Raps weren’t gonna sign anyone else Casey with full off season + Val + Ross + healthy Bargnani (even if people think he’s useless) will translate into a bunch more wins and a late-lottery pick or maybe even the 8th seed. That is not going to help the Raptors. There is no downside to signing Nash. None. There would only be upside because it would mean more wins, games that are more fun to watch, and increased free agent interest.

        • Johnson

          You don’t see how this is not better AT ALL? Everything you mentioned can be accomplished with Nash on the team except the lottery pick next year (a pick that will be late-lottery). The Raptors are still allowed to make trades and sign other players with Nash on board you do know that right? Having Nash would make other players more inclined to sign in TO as well.

          I’d rather have Nash (and the Free Agents that are more likely to sign with TO) + Playoffs + 15-20 draft pick next year than No Nash + No Playoffs + 9-16 pick next year.

          ^^^^^ Anyone who thinks will turn out differently lack logic and are blinded by pessimism

      • george

        I would still like to know when you recognized this franchise for what it is, when you knew for sure.

      • FAQ

        flip flopper you and nilanka

        • Nilanka15

          Over hyped actor Samuel L. Jackson

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Every team is says that we’ll match that offer. Talk is talk. When the offer comes, put your money where your mouth is. 

  • Mooj

    Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, Jared Dudley, Raja Bell, Louis Admonson all had breakout seasons with Nash. 

    I don’t think any of those guys are heads and shoulders above the current raps we have. Fact is the guy makes his teammates better players and almost dragged a team that was as skilled if not less than the Raptors, to the playoffs last year, in the West to boot.

    I’m beginning to think most Raps fans believe that you can only compete for a championship and nothing else.

    • Johnson

      Great post. Obviously all of us Raptors fans want the championship but being the only team in Canada where superstar players (in a league where you NEED superstar players to win the championship) have labeled Toronto a “no-sign zone” what else do people expect? Only 9 different teams (9!!!) have won the NBA championship in the last 33 years (or since 1979). I just want to watch a fun, competitive team and hope for the best and that they blossom into a title contender. People on this forum who play GM and think that they can do a better job than a 2 time executive of the year who has built a title contender in phoenix and drafted numerous all-star players (which of course, includes a 2 time league MVP and future Hall of Famer) almost makes me die of laughter ahahahaha.

    • Copywryter

      I do believe that. You’re either adding pieces to a team that can contend for a championship or stinking it up for 2-3 years to draft a player you can build around and try again. There’s nothing in the middle for me. The Hawks, Pacers, Knicks, Rockets, Jazz and Blazers all fit this bill.  

      • WhiteVegas

         So what you’re saying is you’ve been disgusted with the Raptors ever since their existence, since they have never been close to championship contenders. Just can’t win with some people.

        • Copywryter

          If I was disgusted I wouldn’t be here. But I would say I’ve been mostly disappointed with the recent Raptors, sure. The first expansion years were a wash, as expected (though not a Vancouver wash, thank god) Then we landed a ROY in VC and built around him only to come a basket and graduation cap away from the conference finals. Those were good years, optimistic years.

          Then we drafted CB4 but could not build a solid team around a guy who probably wasn’t great enough to get us over the hump anyway. B+ years.

          Now we have a full blown smoke and mirrors act from our GM, starters that wouldn’t start on most decent teams, a bench that’s a deep as a puddle, rabid support for a #1 pick that has one dimension and a fan base that eats it all up. 

           

          • george

            It seems Vince was right after all.

    • WhiteVegas

       +1

    • Nilanka15

      For the most part, I agree with your post. But I will say that Joe Johnson is indeed head and shoulders better than any wing player on our roster (with or without Nash feeding him).

  • DoNDaDDa

    the money nash will get from BC isnt an issue… hes def. worth it IMO… BC just has to be carefull not to overpay the guys around him who will benefit from Nash’s magical plays.. thats the only thing that worries me..BC doent have a good track record in that regard

  • Rob

    Either way, we’ll find out soon. D-Will has to report to the Team USA training camp by July 5th, and he wants to resolve it by then. Hoping he goes to Dallas, fuck the Nets.

    • WhiteVegas

      The Nets will be more fucked if DWill goes there. Then they will pull the trigger on the Joe Johnson trade and have the core of DWill, Joe Johnson, and Gerald Wallace going forward. Talk about being stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. They’d have nearly $50 million in those 3 players. Add in Lopez, and that’s their entire cap space going forward. The Nets will be complete crap through the 2016 season. They’d need a miracle sign and trade for Dwight Howard.

      • Rob

        I heard the Joe Johnson deal is pretty much done. A core of DWill, JJ, and Wallace is a pretty good team actually, but not a championship one as you said. Add in Dwight Howard, who actually wants to come to NJ, then they are elite, but as you said, might take a miracle, they don’t have any assets to work with, that’s for sure. Orlando should be looking for draft picks, and good young players.

  • Occean

    Last year on these forums everyone was talking about “rebuilding” and being warned not to Drink Brian Colangelos Kool-aid. now were signing steve nash who will put this team back on the treadmill of mediocrity and sadly we are forced to buy into BC’s money making schemes

    • Copywryter

      Precisely. It’s the Toronto Maple Leaf disease, we mistake mediocrity for progress. Over and over and over again.

      • george

        Too many people are excited by irrelevant basketball.

    • hyperdouche

      I like what you said there. Though that sounds like a beverage in itself: The “Brian Colangelo.” I imagine it to be quite flashy, and give you an epic hangover. And it comes served with one of those little umbrellas

  • Whatsaname1

    I’m not opposed to Nash, but, I would have gone after Lowry in a trade. We have some young trade-able assets, and Houston loves assets, especially Power Forwards! (What’s up with that?) 

    More importantly Small Forward is a more pressing issue. BC SHOULD have done everything to fix THAT issue first THEN next year when Jose came off the books we could have found a starting PG and gained long term. This play for Nash merely demonstrates that filling seats through gimmicks is more important than winning to MLSE. 

    • WhiteVegas

      What if the presence of Steve Nash greatly improves the play of DD, so much so that we are able to deal some combination of him, Ed, JJ, or Amir to Memphis for Gay?

      Steve Nash creates value in the players he plays with. Even with a Nash signing, we still have enough room with an amnesty or trade to make a sizable offer to a SF should the opportunity arise.

      To that end, is Batum worth 4 years $50 million? That’s what Minnesota offered him, so our offer would have to start there. Also, does Portland match that offer? I think they do. If Batum gets just a bit better, and he’s young enough and on an upward trend, he’ll be worth the $12+ million a year for 4 years. Those kind of deals usually become very attractive since you have a near all star caliber player for well below the maximum (compare to Gay, Iggy, Granger contracts).

  • KuH

    So the question I don’t have a full answer to because I don’t understand our cap situation:  can we sign Nash and keep Calderon/etc?

    If that is the case, then there is some marginal wisdom to it: attract the (only?) high priced free agent who will sign with us, then sit on the asset that is Calderon and field trade offers to get the wing player you need/want, and who you presumably couldn’t attract as a free agent.

    I still don’t like it, but at least I can understand it.

    • Nilanka15

      The short answer is, depends on Nash’s price. If it’s $12 million per year, someone needs to be amnestied (it doesn’t necessarily need to be Calderon) because we currently have less than $12 million in cap space.

      • cesco

         What if Nash accept a back loaded contract eg. 10+12+14 millions doesn’t that provide 14 millions cap space for the year 2012-2013 ? .

        • cesco

           Sorry , what I meant is what will count ; the average 12 millions salary or the coming season 10 millions salary .

        • Nilanka15

          I’m no cap expert, but I think this could work in theory. But the question is, do we want to paying a 41 year old man $14 million in year 3, while he’s playing 15 minutes per game, and needs a wheelchair to get to the team bus?

    • WhiteVegas

      It’s unlikely we would keep Calderon around if we sign Nash since we will need his cap room to make any other moves in free agency. I believe the Raptors are aggressively trying to trade Calderon, but I’m not sure what he can bring back.

  • Brrrruuce14

    I think if you get Nash and than stop the building process there, it’s a terrible move. However, if this is the first domino of many then it makes a lot of sense. Hypothetically speaking say Colangelo goes all in this year ala. Boston a couple years ago….
    1. Signs Nash
    2. Trades Bargs/DeRozan/someone else for Gazol and Artest
    3. Gets someone on the Vet Min salary (Ray Allen)
    Then u have a team ready to compete against the Heat this year.
    That being said one would have to have a lot of faith in Colangelo and everything else would have to fall into place to believe that and at this point it’s all a pipe dream… it’s more likely we just get Nash and finish 9th.

  • ad

    Some things.
    1) If they are going to sign nash they better have a good backup like bayless. No more Will solomons. I dont trust nash at his age to play more than 60-70 games.
    2) They still need a SF. If they get a good SF I think the team with nash can win 45 games and finish 4th-6th in the East.
    3) Also, Im worried that signing nash will just push us into another cycle of mediocrity. Further additions/changes will need to be made if this team is going to compete for the title. Will they have the flexibility/pieces to do it?
    4) Also, am I the only one who found it peculiar that nash admitted himself if he signs with toronto he wont be competing for a title? Some can say its the truth but I sure as hell hope by year 3 this team will be very close. Its like he knows “I cant attract stars to toronto so its going to be .500 or bust every year”. I hope thats not the case.

    • Nilanka15

      I wouldn’t consider Bayless a good backup. I’d rather sign Scott Machado.

      • mountio

        we already gave bayless a qualifying offer a couple days ago .. so Im guessing he will be here next year for better or for worse ..

        • DoNDaDDa

          they can still retract the offer.. so id say his role on the team isnt set in stone

        • what the

          god could tell him to sign with another team.

        • Nilanka15

          The QO doesn’t mean much. It’s most likely used in a S&T with Phoenix.

          Weems’ QO was also picked up, but I’m sure we all agree he won’t be here come training camp.

      • ad

         Scott machado went undrafted and never played an NBA game. How do you know hes better than bayless? I’ll admit, bayless doesn’t have good pg skills but he does drive to the rim better than anyone on the roster except maybe derozan. Plus, he played well as a starter. I’d like to keep him around.

        • what the

          cause nilanka knows TAL-lent (gary fn forbes) is his boy

          • Nilanka15

            Aww, did I hurt your feelings, dipshit?

            Keep doing what you do best, troll. And let the fans discuss basketball.

            • Nilanka15

              Sorry what the, this reply wasn’t meant for you. Damn disqus ruining everything.

      • guest

        Just like you did not think Coangelo would keep Bayless……please Scott Machado! Like I said then, you just make things up and ignore facts. 

        • Nilanka15

          Lol, has Colangelo kept Bayless??? I think you need to read up on how qualifying offers work.

          Bayless is a horrible, horrible, horrible point guard, period. But he sometimes scores a lot when given heavy minutes, which makes him awesome!!!

          • guest

            I have probably read and forgotten more than you ever will.     That is what allows you to be so consistently wrong!

            • Nilanka15

              Move along “guest”. Your man crush on Bayless is nothing short of ridiculous, bordering on fanboyism.

              Or is your affinity to Bayless based on similar attitudes? Let me guess, your house league coach benched you cuz you’re not that good, but like Bayless, you think you’re much better than you actually are, and came up with this lame theory that you’d be a terrific player if given “consistent” minutes, even though you’ve done Jack shit to earn those minutes. Yeah, that sounds about right….

              And then you confuse this theory of yours as “fact”, and strut around on message boards like you’re Bobby Fischer.

              Bayless for Prime Minister! He can do it! He just needs a chance!

              • guest

                Tough guy on the boards with no real life, just posting all day long.  When you finally come out of your mother’s basement maybe you will learn that posting does not make you an expert in anything…just a lonely person.  Gotta go to work now…keep up the watch on the boards and I will check in to see what dumb shit you have to say in a couple of days.

                • Nilanka15

                  Looks like I struck a nerve.  LMFAO!

    • WhiteVegas

       1) Agreed. I’m fine with Bayless as the backup for now, or someone of comparable or better abilities.
      2) Agreed again. If the Hawks pull off this Joe Johnson trade with the Nets, Josh Smith will be the next player being moved. He has repeatedly asked for a trade. If Toronto could convince him to resign here (with Nash on board this seems possible), he could be our answer at SF.
      3) Depends on your definition of mediocrity. If going to the second round of the playoffs in 2 of the next 3 years is mediocre, then yeah, we could be stuck in mediocrity. I put that as the realistic high watermark. But who knows, one injury in the playoffs and things change quick, Nash leads Raptors on miracle Title run. At least we’d have a shot. Nash might have one more MVP season in him (his numbers weren’t that far off last year).
      4) I saw the interview too, and I think he’s just being realistic with the current roster in the coming season. He wasn’t prognosticating to what a roster with Rudy Gay or Nick Batum would be capable of.

  • Nilanka15

    Although it feels like this Nash deal is guaranteed, it’s not. Anything can happen between now and July 11.

    • what the

      like i said god could tell him to sign somewhere else

  • FLUXLAND

    “Joe Bornahockeyfan”  lmfao.  + 1000.  Well done, Arse, well done. 

  • Malefax

    Whine, whine, bitch, bitch, complain complain. I can’t remember the last time Arse wrote something positive about the Raptors. Maybe you should stop running a Raptors fan site if you hate everything the team does or tries to do.

    • ad

       I cant blame him. What has this franchise done in in its existence to make you proud to be a raptors fan? Its just mistake after mistake. With MLSE as owner, profit and mediocrity are the goals.

    • Arsenalist

      You’re kidding me?  Read through this posts during the season, I’ve been polishing this turd as best I can, trying to see the positives of Casey, Bargnani’s improvement, I even did a fucking video analysis of James Johnson running the pnr.  James Johnson dude! All season I’ve said that they’ve actually become professional under Casey and given BC due credit for getting the right guy in here (finally!).

      I got some news for you, when your team has won 33, 22, 40, and 23 wins the last four seasons, in which they’ve missed the playoffs every time, there aren’t many positives.  When draft picks like Davis, DeRozan, and Alabi turn out to be disappointing, there are no positives!  

      This Nash move just seems hurried and adhoc, and as I said in the post, sign me up on the basis of entertainment, but speaking from a basketball POV, I would’ve liked to see the Raptors at least shore up one of their two biggest question mark positions (SF and PG) in the draft.  Nash just smells like a short-term fix designed to pump up season ticket sales, it obviously has corollary benefits because he’s a great player, but he’ll be gone in a year or two, and then we’re back to where we started because I have zero faith that BC will be able to use Nash to actually get more players here, and I can’t blame him on that because the Raptors’ crapiness completely overshadows Nash’s attractiveness.

      BC is in a tough place, he doesn’t have an easy job here because he’s trying to balance 1) winning, 2) long-term planning, and 3) trying to bring money in now. The Nash to move, to me, does #3 only. 

      • george

        They certainly been successful fooling me, until now.

    • what the

      i think arse and nilanka are the same people

  • The_Truth

    I don’t understand all the negativity and hostillity of signing Nash by Raptors fans. 

    Realistically, the Raptors have an incredibly small chance at winning the championship ever, let alone in the next 3 years. 

    We are in as good a place as any junky-middle class team to make a jump similar to what the Grizzlies did the past two seasons.  Does Memphis realistically have a chance of winning the title next year?  My thoughts are no they don’t. 

    For the Raptors to become relevent and respected across the league (similar to the form laughing stock of the league Grizzlies) is something we should be gunning for, ….. not some unrealistic dream for title. 

    The way I see it that Nash lends credability to the franchise (much like Vince did for that short but glorious few seasons) where not only we as Raps fans see the difference in the franchise, but others see it too.  Is there not value for adding a guy that will likely get us broadcasted nationaly in the US?  That can only make getting other FAs in TO easier.  For that reason alone he is well worth the money.

    Add on top of that the refereeing aspect of things.  I mean I can’t be delusional in thinking Nash will swing at least a few of the 10+ questionable calls the Raps get per game in our favor.  Even shaving off 1 or two of the garbage team = garbage calls infractions that go against us can make a difference.I am a full believer in that Nash makes the Raptors better in all ways.

    • ad

       Why do you say the raptors have a small chance of winning the title? They have as good of a chance as any team. Just need a smart front office and good coach. Look at the spurs. They dont play in a “sexy” market, but they win. Also, I think the raps need to do a better job educating ignorant american players about playing here. Attracting stars in the NBA is key, unless you have a really good front office/coach like the spurs do.

      • THE_TRUTH

        I agree ”
        Attracting stars in the NBA is key” and what better way to do that than signing a marquee guy like Nash to start the ball rolling.  Getting on national TV in the states is key to that.   We haven’t been there since the Vince haydays.

      • Copywryter

        Are you kidding me? As good a chance as any team? What are you smoking? We’re awful! Awful! We’ve been stink-ass for years now and our drafts have revealed their ceilings. We aren’t going to win shit.

        The Spurs are LOADED with talent, mostly because they got incredibly lucky with Robinson getting hurt one year and them landing Duncan with a number one pick. Plus they have a front office that scouted the european players better than most before it was fashionable and have a HOF coach.  

        American player don’t want to come here because we’ve had a horrid culture for a long time. That may change, but even if it did they are not jumping ship to sign up with a pasta shiller and a 50-year-old Steve Nash.

  • cdub

    I would hardly call Nash playing in TO “pressure free”.  He’s going to have to live up to that contract and the expectations of Canadian’s everywhere.

    Honestly I’m fine with this deal.  I mean really is signing Dragic or another PG instead going to do anything….is that even an upgrade over Calderon?  Nash is still the best option at 38 unless his body tanks hard this year.

  • Brad

    i think you’re all undervaluing him. AT WORST  he helps bring along our young guys like demar, ross and JV. Great veteran leader aswell. Look at what he did with little talent in phx i think you’d be stupid to say that raps have less talent then they did not including nash. Finally more moves will come if we get nash he is just another piece of it all… i know it is bleacher report but take a look at this article as well just another way we could go. 
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1244104-toronto-raptors-trading-for-pau-gasol-is-the-key-to-getting-steve-nash

    • jrap

       yup definitely some people undervaluing the contributions that he will bring from the basketball stand point both long term & short term…
      I think people think they will look smart if they are opposed to nash signing & uses lines like.. the only thing positive of nash signing is patriotism, coming home, entertainment value, feel good story. They think if they agree w/ nash signing they will be viewed as emotional thinker & not smart analyst. But in reality all of these are just all bonuses .. the real & most important value of nash signing is the positives he will bring on the basketball court. sure there’s some negatives but the good still outweighs the bad.. not even close

  • Fry

    If we can’t sign Nash or Lin, I’d like to see Rap trade AB to get a young PG. AB got lots of points but make the Raps’ off. not balance. We can’t just make jump shot on all position beside VJ. Of cox, this is only a dream, I know BC won’t trade AB at the moment.