The comments in yesterday’s late post by Blake sum up the Republic’s sentiment towards Steve Nash going to LA. It’s not any hate towards Nash, who made the respectable decision of chasing a championship instead of middling around with a bunch of nobodys. He might’ve used the Raptors as leverage and completely fooled Colangelo, but as players and GMs often remind us: it’s just business.

The comedy of signing Landry Fields to block the Nash move only to have LA hijack the play has also been thoroughly discussed, and safe to say that the spin on this will be that the Raptors’ interest in Fields was independent of the Nash approach. That’s what the organization is supposed to say and that’s what the beat writers will write, but the saner, smarter, fans who don’t have bosses to answer to know the deal.

Here’s Hollinger’s little section on the Raptors involvement in the Nash scene:

How do you get egg out of dinosaur hide?

And then there are the Raptors. Whoa, the poor Raptors. Toronto went for sentiment over logic, prioritized Nash over Dragic and Jeremy Lin and badly misread Nash’s desires. Patriotic sentiment was nice and all, but it wasn’t going to put Toronto any closer to his kids no matter how much the Raptors offered.

After 48 hours went by and the Raptors couldn’t get a yes, they might have gotten a bad feeling about this, but instead they doubled down by offering Landry Fields a ridiculous three-year, $20 million deal. The idea was to blow up any sign-and-trade deals the Knicks could offer Phoenix, with the assumption that the Knicks were the Raptors’ main competitor, but New York had another one lined up involving Iman Shumpert anyway. Meanwhile, Toronto never saw the Laker deal coming.

Now, at least, they won’t blow a huge pile on Nash, but there’s the little matter of the abysmal Fields contract — presumably the Knicks will be laughing too hard to bother matching — which will likely require them to lose Jose Calderon (to amnesty) and Jerryd Bayless (by renouncing his rights) to sign any other free agent of consequence.

Nonetheless, this probably saved the Raptors from a costly diversion on their road to rebuilding, and their books are clean enough that Fields’ contract won’t ruin their equally impressive cap-space hoard for next summer. Toronto can resume the slow, boring process of building a sustainable winner, an area in which it has already made considerable progress. Meanwhile, one hopes this setback will discourage the Raptors from chasing shortcuts so enthusiastically next summer.

 
I don’t want to dwell on how Colangelo’s reach in the market is basically limited to people he can overpay for, and how even that’s not a guarantee anymore (remember, he was supposed to be the guy who could help attract people to Toronto). In an effort to close the door on this ridiculous saga that has left the Raptors without a shred of dignity and further deepened the franchise’s inferiority complex, I say let bygones be bygones and shift our focus towards what Bryan Colangelo has planned next.

Stick with the Calderon and Bayless combo and pretend none of this ever happened? Meet Houston’s demands for Lowry? Look closer at Dragic? Or go with Jeremy Lin? I have sick feeling we’re going to go for Lin. This time it’ll be under the pretense of getting a point guard for the future who runs the pick ‘n roll well and can ignite the break with our athletic wings, but in reality it’s all about creating a circus in town. As Michael Grange paraphrased a few days ago on the Fan 590, winning isn’t really the concern right now, it’s to feed the fans some excitement.

However, ESPN is reporting that Jeremy Lin is set to receive a back-loaded offer from Houston, and with Nash, Williams, and Lin off the table, Goran Dragic’s value is suddenly on the rise. This might just leave Colangelo in a position to either outbid everyone for these guys’ services, or turn to Houston and Kyle Lowry, which is what Marc Stein is reporting.

I have no problem with Kyle Lowry, given the free-agent crop of this year and the Raptors’ total lack of attractiveness in the market, he really was the only realistic choice from day one. If we can’t sign good free agents, the next best thing is to acquire them with some time left on their deal. I’m not saying this is championship strategy, but who really is trying to win a championship here?

You’ve seen him play, a tough player on defense who has continually improved throughout his career, and finally turned into starter for the last two years. Here’s the Insider scouting report on him:

+ Tough, aggressive guard who pressures ball and defends. Loves taking charges.

+ Likes to push tempo but can get out of control. Mediocre outside shooter.

+ Good athlete who draws fouls. On the short side. Good rebounder for size.

A tough little son-of-a-gun, Lowry got hosed in the All-Defense voting. He got just two second-place votes; in contrast, Russell Westbrook got four first-place votes and five seconds-place nods. So nine of 30 coaches (or, more accurately, PR directors) thought Westbrook was a better defender than Lowry this past season. That’s indefensible.

Lowry also showed improved play at the offensive end, finally taking over the starting gig from Aaron Brooks after spending his first four seasons backing up inferior players in Memphis and Houston. He made a surprising 37.6 percent of his 3s, and while we should expect some regression (his three previous seasons were all in the mid-20s, and he shot only 30 percent on long 2s), he does enough other positives to still be a quality starter.

For instance, Lowry was ninth in the NBA in pure point rating and ranked in the upper half of point guards in every category except usage rate and free throw shooting. He’s not a pure shot creator and that limits his star potential, but he has a reasonable contract and is very solid at both ends.

He’s not the passer that Jose Calderon is or the shooter for that matter, but considering that Jose’s time is up, we can’t hand the reins over to Bayless, and Lowry is an improvement. He’s got two years left on his deal, is 26 years old, and is a much better fit in Casey’s defensive system which values defensive-minded guards who can press.

What would it take to get Lowry? Here’s what Houston was looking for and here’s what they turned down. So, somewhere in between works. Honestly, I don’t think the Raptors have the assets to acquire Lowry because with PGs thinning out on the free-agent market, his value just increased and this isn’t a case where Colangelo can throw house money at him. Unless, of course, he signs him to an immediate extension, which would not even surprise me.

So, whatever happens, I’m sure it’ll be very much like a circus, which is what this club is. We might have come some ways in terms of using analytics, expanding our scouting department, improving player facilities, serving to be more professional, but in terms of actual management of the basketball product, we clearly have a ways to go.

  • mountio

    Looks like Dragic signing with PHX … take him off the list…. this is getting depressing fast …

    • RAPSSUCK

      fuck Colangelo’s “accelerated rebuild” fire that douche and start a proper rebuild, and tell Casey to tank properly this time or fire his defensive ass to, bottom line this team needs starting level talent and you can’t even overpay to get them here..

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        On Canada Day, talk was Steve Nash to the Raptors.

        On Independence Day, reports have Nash ending up with the Lakers.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Where was Stefanski at to tackle BC when he phoned Fields agent with the offer???smdh

      That was nothing more than some press balderdash ie pr spin, from BC to sell the fan base like he was really being proactive with this hire- Stefanski is another BC yes man ie BC CONsensus.

      GD back to Phx…looks like BC’s boneheaded pursuit of Nash is costing us negotiating time with other pgs out there in the market…you lag you lose, you sleep you snooze.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Something that I found on RealGM:

      So Nash is going to LA after all. As a Raptors fan, who is supporting the team since those old times when Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter were in Canada, can I say I am F***ING fed up with Brian Colangelo and his complete lack of knowledge of what managing an NBA roster means. Let me go back in the years:a) As soon as he became GM for the Raptors he traded away Villanueva, because he hinderedthe development of Chris Bosh, too bad he drafted Andrea Bargnani with the first pick a month later;b) The O’Neal trade. We gave up $ 15 M in expiring deals PLUS Hibbert. Do I have to mention that he is an All-Star now and we suck?c) Hedo Turkoglu. 5 years, $ 53 M. Seriously.d) The Gerald Wallace – TJ Ford trade. We were offered this trade and he turned it down, because of the length of the contracts! 4 years later Wallace signed a big deal, TJ Ford retired. (Couldn’t find a better link, we are talking about 2008..) http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=819175e) The Matt Barnes deal. He agreed with Matt Barnes then realized we didn’t have any cap room to do that. Seriously, it happened.
      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5393637f) Chris Bosh leaving for the Heat. In case you forgot, he failed to trade him or do anything. We got a first round pick that was used to acquire James Johnson.g) BC refused Beasley in the Heat trade (2 years $ 11 M), to sign Amir Johnson a week later ( 5 years, $ 35M). If you are willing to take on a risk on an athletic guy who has yet to prove how much is worth, I say, get the cheapest deal and save cap room. NOPE! I am not saying that Beasley would have been a great acquisition. I am just making a case for the opportunity turned down. And Amir’s contract is absolutely untradeable now.h) He signed Kleiza to another untradeable deal and now he barely plays.i) Substituted coach of the Year Sam Mitchell (who was 8-9 when he got fired) with Jay Triano (finished the season 33-49) and sticked with the latter way too long. Triano’s defense was absolutely the worst ever seen.j) Went all in to sign Steve Nash. He even signed Landry Fields to a terrible contract, just to take the Knicks out of competition, BUT Steve Nash is a Laker now…. We have 4 SGs (Demar DeRozan, Terrence Ross, Gary Forbes, Landry fields) all on long term deals though. Not sure if there’s any need to have a 5th maybe.This was a (too) long post, just to say, he doomed the franchise for the past 6 years. I seriously would rather see Kahn managing the Raptrors. KAHN!!!!!!! It’s about time Brian Colangelo gets fired. Amen.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        Go2theShop, buy a Tshirt of T Wroten Junior and Go2Bed.

        • Destro

          Go to the shop and buy a bargnani all star jersey ? OOPs i mean pre order one ha ha !!

      • Destro

        great post and analyzation of bc’s incompetence on all levels….bravo!

      • Destro

        Which poster wrote this ? IM going to copy n paste and send it to a few Raptor writers right now :)

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          I forgot his name but he’s on RealGM website in the Getting Rid of BC – The Time Must Be Now thread.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      We really don’t know what the fuck BC did in Phoenix we just know what he was able to take credit for due to his daddy owning the team…..

      I mean this is a guy who didn’t even know the f/a rules when trying to sign Matt Barnes last off season….wow then tried to cock block NY in its pursuit of Nash with the Feilds offer (NY was going to trade IShumpert instead) but didn’t read RealGM, ESPN, CNNSI, TSN, RR, etc to see that the Lakers were recruiting Nash as well.

      But now it has become more than obvious 6 years in to the BC/AB/Jose TDot era that he’s no smarter than your average basketball follower just wears expensive suits, has an Ivy League degree & family pedigree………smh lol

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        As well BC said that he had TRoss rated higher than ADrummond………

        BC CONcensus time is over!!!!!

        • raptors

          I thought you liked ross

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            I do he’s a very solid player I’m happy that Toronto picked him but ADrummond was a coveted big man by the team(s) behind us and he could have potentially been flipped for a starting pg/draft picks/players and the SF situation adressed via free agency or by the potential trade thereof as well as the Rap’s could have still ended up with TRoss, ARivers or JLamb by trading down a couple spots.

  • Geo

    dont mind lowry…i think amir johnson/ed will be involved. 

    If jose is in it then i think we will get another player (scola prob)

    • mountio

      not sure how you equate getting rid of jose (other option is amnesty) to getting scola (a legit asset) .. but Im all in if possible! Id also love to move Amir’s contract. More realistically, will take something like DD or Ed + picks. Are we willing to do that?

    • Brian B

       AJ or ED for an “almost all-star”? With what other pieces?

      BC will just mortgage the farm again when he coulda drafted Kendall Marshall and done a proper rebuild.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Or Tony Wroten Jr who by the way is a better overall player than TRoss (who btw is a very good player) as good players do things for themselves on the court while great players do things for others on the court- TWJr does thing for others despite his J being less than.

        • Bendit

          …and pretty bad ft% for a pg too. if I remember a report he missed game ending free throws that killed the chances for a ncaa spot. Otherwise great athleticism.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            It was far more than that that killed the UW’s NCAA selection…..I follow Husky basketball closely…

            Adversity builds character.

            He just turned 19, let’s see him at 22……….

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Houston has as many if not more PFs on their roster as the Rap’s.

  • Milesboyer

    I just don’t get how so many including what I generally consider a level-headed writer (Arse) has to express this attempt with such a sky is falling mentality -“this ridiculous saga has left the Raptors without a shred of dignity”?  They tried to get a living legend that still has a few good years in him, he chose the Lakers over the Raps who were either his second or third choice and in the process slightly overpaid for a guy who will provide things the Raptors need.  I just don’t know how that leaves them “without a shred of dignity”, unless you take Nash’s choice as a personal spurning which obviously it’s not or you think the Landry Fields signing is much worse than it is.  It’s not like they went out and signed Grant Hill to a $20 mill contract.

    • mountio

      I read that last sentence quickly and thought you said “its not like they went out and signed Landry Fields to a $20 mm contract” .. oh ya .. they did.
      I tend to a agree with you on the nash thing .. people are roasting bc too much on that – they hated it if he signed, they hate it now that he didnt .. we can win.
      BUT – the landry fields is inexcusable .. hes exactly what we should not be blowing our money on

    • Johnny

      I think Arse is right, he included the link to Woj’s twitter feed where he’s making fun of Toronto. Just surf various NBA writers, everyone is bemused by Toronto’s failed strategy. We wanted Nash, now all we have is Landry Fields. Raps management was very public about their desire to get Nash, offered him $10 million more than anyone else, and even recruited Gretzky to help with the pitch, and in the end it comes out that Nash was never really interested in coming to Toronto, no matter the money. How is that dignified? If you aren’t a Raps fan, it’s actually kind of funny how pathetic the franchise has become.

      • Bendit

        The “various nba writers” you mention include Adande quoted above also semi berates BC for “not seeing the Lakers coming”. Well now. How many of the pundit writing class did I wonder? The worst I can fault BC for is not managing expectations as well as possibly not giving enough weight to Nash’s family concerns. He should have known that and it would have been an easy item to do due diligence on thru the backdoor.

        • sleepz

          That’s right. He didn’t take the temperature of the situation and was not strategic. He tried to barge in and make a move and there was no move to make.

          How is due dilligence not critical for a man in his position?

          • Bendit

            I thought that vid presentation thing was all wrong and worse. This is Nash we are talking to. BC should have known what made him tick, he doesnt have to be sold on Canada, Nash is an internationalist at heart and in politics and doesnt have to hear from Gretzky to sell him on anything. Gretzky is only a hockey (great) player who still shies taking a stand on anything including hockey. He is one of the most boring to hear speak. Nash may have decided right then!! I am disappointed entirely in the approach. Nash doesnt/didnt effing care that the Raps were the first at his door bs like some f/as starved about the “respect” thing. He seems not to have a complex and knows what he wants.

            • hater

              i dont think nash left cuz of the gretzky vid lol come on man..

              • Bendit

                I didnt say that. “Nash may have decided right then!!” was a throwaway line with exclamations (being facetious). I obviously hold Nash in high regard so wouldnt believe he would make such a decision based on a vid. Cheesy approach was what I was trying to convey. He coulda just had a simple meeting over lunch at a fine restaurant without the poms poms. 

      • sleepz

        Not the Toronto beat worters like Doug Smith, Eric Smith, etc. Those guys will let you know that Colangelo made a great effort and the Fields signing is totally seperate from Nash and a good acquisition.

        Fields is a solid bench player and that’s only because of what we saw in his rookie year. If you were just going off of his play last season, you would think that with the contract he was just signed to that BC is not capable of being trusted to manage an NBA team.

        • Destro

          Doug Smith is thee worst fuckn NBA writer in history..How did he even get a job writing asbuot basketball he has no opinions outside of what he reads and co signs from others….I have never seen him argue against anything MLSE or BC has done here at BEST he argues it was a worst case or best case move,hes a limp wristed spineless p.o.s….

          • Nilanka15

            Smitty was just on Sportsnet 590, and surprise, surprise, he says nobody is to blame, lol.

            • Destro

              Dudes a paid MLSE employee dont expect an honest EVER from him…

              • Nilanka15

                The only thing he’s good for is confirming rumours.  He won’t publish anything until it’s real.

                Welcome to Toronto, Lowry!

                • kumarbrosyaman

                  hard to believe we got our own all star point guard only for less than 6M a year! isnt that one of the best value contracts in the league right now?

          • CJT

            So he’s the opposite of you?  When have you ever argued that MLSE made a good decision?

        • CJT

          ARen’t you one of the guys who is always saying you have to look at the whole body of work, not just the last season etc?  It seems like that is one of your arguments for those who feel AB has potential based on last seasons performance.  Or do you only use that argument when it suits your agenda?

      • The Truth

         Those same writers ridiculed Toronto for offering a three year deal then love it now that LA is offering him the same for only slightly less money (relatively speaking).

        • Truthkiller

          Toronto offered $56mil to get Nash accounting Fields, Lakers offered half of that… sounds like something to laugh at.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            While using their Odom TPE to absorb Nash’s contract- CB TPE, do you know me?

        • Destro

          Difference is the piece could push the Lakers back into the finals,it was still going to make us a marginal bubble team…

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Wow, way to rationalize it all away……lmfao

      BC is fucking up the Raptors- point blank his shit does stank!!!

  • Amnesty Fields

    I’d try for Lin, but NY mostly matches…Maybe with Fields here he comes here instead of Houston if NY does not match, Perhaps Ramon Sessions, Lowry meh…But no Jose, lets move on, I hope BC pulls the plug on Fields pretend he failed his physical…o god that 3rd year is so bad….I d rather have moved a big and gone all in on Ersan…Him AB/Val would be a sick big rotation….Trade Jose….can we amnesty Fields lol!

    • Nilanka15

      You can’t amnesty Fields (you can only amnesty players who were on your roster as of July 1, 2011).

      But I agree the offer HAS to be rescinded regardless of consequence.  Fields does not address our problem at SF.  Fields isn’t any better of an overall player than either Johnson or Kleiza.  Fields represents $20 million that solves nothing.

      • mountio

        I agree 100%. This whole “it ruins your rep with agents” is BS. No one is “choosing” to send their clients to toronto now (money being equal or worse than other offers) .. and we will continue to get players if we offer the highest contract, whether or not the agents “dont like us” .. its in their interest to get their players the most money .. 

        • Nilanka15

          Yeah man.  Are we afraid that the Jarret Jacks and Fred Jones of the world might look at us negatively going forward?  If we keep Fields, are Paul and Howard signing here next summer?  Seriously, where is the “risk” of pulling Fields’ offer?

          We build from within and trade for the rest.  Agents’ opinions don’t mean shit if we’re not major players in free agency (which we never are).

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            You have no idea…. rescind LF’s offer and BC won’t have any trust ever again with any agent…..BC’s word would mean shit in relation thereof..

            You can’t do business like that and the NBA is a business firstmost….and reputation is a person’s carrying card.

            You think this franchise is stagnate now….

            • mountio

              Again .. who is doing business with us now? Guys who we vastly overpay only? Id agree if we had this great trust and we were scooping guys like nash just got scooped from us. But its not happening. Trust me, if Landry Fields part II comes up and we offer a guy $20 mm over 3 years that deserves $10 mm over 3 years max .. theyll sign on the dotted line .. 

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                You have no idea how the game works…..BC might as well start pissing into a hurricane if he rescinds LF’s offer..

                • kumarbrosyaman

                   ..and you know how business works? keyboard warrior please! the way i see it, there is only so much money can be paid out in the nba and 1/30 of that is coming from the raptors. so don’t give me that bs about the inner works of the nba like you own it.

            • mountio

              also – if you get your wish, BC is outa here and the new GM can build up trust .. just hopefully BC will do us a small favour by getting rid of Fields before he goes .. 

            • Nilanka15

              Nah dude, as always, it’s you who has no idea.

              Houston already withdrew their qualifying offer on Courtney Lee’s.  It’s part of the game.  Recognize, or stay forever lame.

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                That’s a totally different scenario- learn the particulars….then step to me.

                Btw- make up your own phrases biting other people’s is wacker than a  black cracker actor..

                • Nilanka15

                  From a trust perspective, how is it a different scenario?

                  BTW, I wasn’t “biting” your phrases.  Simply making fun of them…

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  Because both sides know the rules of the game…

                • Nilanka15

                  How do you know what conversations Morey had with Lee’s agent?

                  And conversely, how do you know what conversations Colangelo had with Fields’ agent?

                  Just admit that from a trust perspective, there is no difference between rescinding Lee’s offer and Fields’ offer.

                  Morey’s reputation with agents will be just fine going forward, as will Colangelo’s.

                • 2damkule

                  yeah, things are going great for morey from a FA signing perspective…

                • Nilanka15

                  There’s nothing to indicate that Houston’s team building issues has anything to do with rescinding Lee’s offer.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  Let it go kiddo.lmfao

                • Dan

                   Completely different. A qualifying offer is to give your self a chance to keep one of your own players. Had they offered lee an extension then taken it back it would be the same. If anything he did lee a favor. Majority of players would rather be unrestricted now he can go where he wants or re sign which is rumored thats what they may do. Qualifying offers benefit the team only not the player.

                • Dan

                   Unless it is a bit player and he can’t get anything above the minimum qualifying offer anyway.

                • TheDowJones

                  Money makes the world go round bro. whether or not a negotiated contract gets recinded has nothing to do with having a negative impact on all player reps but just players represented by that one particular agent. The raps can/should/and I hope will take back that offer for Fields or at least renegotiate it a little bit so instead of 6mill per year 4-5. Like I been saying all along, BC should have kept it in rebuild mode this draft and gone for POTENTIAL STAR POWER rather than players who match the system.

              • sleepz

                That was only a qualifying offer to an existing player on the roster like what we have done with Bayless and Weems.

                Pulling Field’s offer would be the icing on the cake of a major mismanaged debacle.

                You would further soil whatever rep you have left.

                • Nilanka15

                  A promise is a promise, my friend.

                  I doubt there’s a distinction in any agent’s mind.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  Exactly, but some people just don’t get it.lmfao

                • TheDowJones

                  it would more just hurt the reputation of the organization, but wouldnt stop agents from sending there players here. THATS not good business on account an agent cant tell a player not to sign with a team. And if an agent does play that way, thats why teams go to the media outlets to let their intentions be known…..besides all that though, the raps face a bigger issue than most people realize. If they want to win then they are most definitely going to have to start going over the luxary tax. but before they can even get to the point of thinking luxary tax they still need a BIG CHIP to build around and it can’t be an american born player. They don’t want to play here. In my eyes the raps have 3 options. 1) if BC wants to keep sailing the ship he’s on now, trade for lowry, offer O.j Mayo a contract similar to Batums and trade one or two of your gaurds. Potential would still be there. 2) Trade your biggest assets for star power. 3) Trade your assets for future draft picks and tank properly for 4-5 seasons and draft Toronto’s own Andrew Wiggins whos ranked #1 2014 college recruit in north america and was getting lebron comparisons from the age of 16. sad state your team is in when it resorts to having to grow your own garden in this day and age.
                   

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              The best the Rap’s can hope for is that NY matches or that Fields doesn’t want to come w/o Nash to Toronto.

              As well Rap’s are rumored to be after SF Brandon Rush (GSW)- 3y 20 million?smh

              • Nilanka15

                Hahaha, wtf is Colangelo thinking?  More mediocre SFs to add to the three we already have???  Jeeeez…

              • TheDowJones

                if thats true then thats just piling bad contracts on top of bad contracts. i could put up with 1 or 2 but players like fields and rush dont have the potential worth that much. a player like Beasely would have been someone i would have considered paying that much for on account he still has upside. Brandon Rush is the journey of the future in todays NBA. Raps should have been looking at guys like Beasely, Dragic, O.j. Mayo even Gerald Green.

                • TheDowJones

                  Landry Fields does not have any upside at all but the hopes for a better 3pt percentage. The raps need upside and better potential also need to put the starting SG/SF up for grabs, fill the roster with the best talent they can get out of those positions and make the spots up for grabs. Hopefully that would motivate the current potential they have now while still trying to get the most out of the newly acquired talent.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  BC doesn’t like roster competition ie any legit Jose competiton at pg (Ford/Jack) always gets traded away…

            • guest

              BCStef …Thank you for trying to explain how things work to this guy.  I just can believe how often he posts and how frequently he has no clue.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      NY will match Lin offer……………

  • rus

    no mention of his attitude?

  • Nilanka15

    With Dragic reportedly signing with Phoenix, does Houston even want to sell Lowry anymore?  In terms of PGs, all they’ve got left is a team option on Shaun Livingston (unless they’re really confident New York doesn’t match their Lin offer).

    I would much rather throw out some feelers for Holiday, Jennings, Bledsoe, or Walker, than sell the farm for Lowry.

    If nothing pans out, stick with Calderon/Bayless for another year, and look at next year’s draft class/free agent market instead (e.g. Paul (long-shot, I know), Curry, Holiday, Lawson, Jennings, Teague, Beaubois).

    But of course, Colangelo is now officially hanging on by a thread, so we all know he won’t take the patient (logical) approach.  He’s now fighting for his life.  So we should expect an assembled cast much like the 2006-07 team who wasn’t good enough to compete for a title, but wasn’t crappy enough for a top 5 pick.  We’ll have a team that is relatively fun to watch (compared to the last 4 years), but the cycle of mediocrity doesn’t have an end in sight.  Thanks Bryan….

    • weedman

      Not sure I get the whole ‘Bryan is now doomed’ thing. He took a big fat swing, it didn’t connect, what are ya gonna do? The only part of it I keep laughing at is bringing Gretzky’s plea, on video, to help sell the idea. (I mean, puh-lease. Like I said elsewhere, it was like sending Aunt Bee with her special apple pie to the big city to close a fat government contract deal.) If Colangelo nixes the Landry Fields offer — and he certainly should — we’re back to where we started and probably better off than what some think. 

      • Nilanka15

        There is an underlying feeling that MLSE doesn’t extend Colangelo’s contract unless the Raptors make the playoffs this season.  Nash represented the best chance of that happening.  Hence Colangelo’s doomsday scenario coming to fruition.

        Fields and Lowry are decent players, but their acquisitions don’t do much for our shot at the playoffs in the increasingly tougher Eastern Conference.

    • mountio

      Interesting point re: houston. I cant believe that a) they are about to give Lin $40 mm and b) NYK might match. Both seem crazy .. but in my mind NYK the craziest. So .. wouldnt be surprised if Lin lands there .. thus lowry still available (who I would WAY rahter have over Lin in any event). 
      As Ive said on here before .. the right “rebuilding” move is to trade DD and AB for expirings and draft picks. That way a) we will finish in the bottom five for sure and b) we will have enough picks (ours and the others) to hopefully make a difference. 
      Problem with that is a) Ill puke in my mouth watching this team every night and b) I just dont think BC is on that page at all. 
      More likely .. we stick with Fields, overpay Illyasova  and then maybe try to trade one of the PFs for something. Welcome to your 2013 Raps .. 

      • Copywryter

        Re: Lin, Houston is kind of in the same spot – they collected all of these assets with the idea (however silly in hindsight) of landing an elite talent (Howard) and are now more or less scrambling to put something on the floor that can at least beat the Bobcats.

        Mostly agree on DD and definitely on AB, though I think his value is higher once the season has really started and bubble team that can’t score start to look for options. I don’t know if we get good market value for DeRozan. 

        You’ll want to puke every night regardless…lets face it we’re not getting better until JV proves or disproves that he is the real deal and that’s not happening in 2012/2013. 

        Man this has been one long, dark post-Bosh tunnel. 

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Houston signed Lin to an offer sheet….

      • Nilanka15

        I know.  Do they move Lowry before July 14th?  I doubt it…since Knicks might match the Lin offer.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          NY will match it will be Lin Sanity in NYC.

          ABrooks (my #1 guy for today), RFelton or JNelson is looking like the Rap’s best f/a options as is.

          • Nilanka15

            Bandaid solutions, IMO.  I’d rather roll with Calderon/Bayless than commit long term to these 3 guys.

            The other option is to address the PG problem through trades. 

            Free agency + Raptors are like oil and water.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              I don’t know of any starting NBA pgs on the trading block though- do you?

              • Nilanka15

                Lowry is the only one we’ve heard of.  But GMs don’t always make their intentions public.

          • Bendit

            Felton? Nooooo. Like someone else said, Felton is looking like a pear when he should be eating it.

  • horsewithnoname

    Thank you Arsenalist for being a lone bright candle amongst a dreary and conflicted local basketball press. May you never obey just for a ride on the team charter.

  • Daniel

    If we get Lowry we’ll have no play-makers in the team. Zero. Nada. Nil. I like Lowry however he is not a pass-first PG and considering our dismal play-making abilities it is not a good fit. We have to amnesty or trade Jose as clearly the relationship between Raptors and him is not healthy anymore regardless how many times Colangelo or Casey pay lip service to Jose. I have no doubts whereever he goes Jose will have a great season having something to prove more than ever.

    • jjdynomite

      Lowry was 12th in the league in assists last season with black holes like Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee and Luis Scola on his team. Yes, Jose was 4th, but Lowry is 5 years younger and a wayyyy better defender.

  • c_bcm

    What could we throw at Phoenix to get Kendall Marshall? We need a succession plan for Jose, who has for the Nth time in his career become the default PG on this team.

    If Dragic leaves Houston, it’s unlikely we get Lowry. Lin will not sign with Houston b/c NY will certainly match. So who does that leave? No FA, that’s for sure.

    Leaves us with some sort of trade scenario. SO if we’re going to trade, make it for a young PG who can develop some chemistry with Val and Ross on the second unit. I say Marshall. Maybe Davis + Bayless for Marshall and Childress? 

    • c_bcm

      Of course one of the problems with this, is having 3 rooks on the team next year. Now THAT’S a rebuild. LOL. We’re so bad!

  • Wolfie

    I noticed Jameer Nelson is a free agent. How come no one talks about him?

    • Nilanka15

      Cuz he stinks.

    • Sam Holako

      Cause he’s a shell of the player he used to be.

    • arsenalist

      Because he’s fat.

      • mountio

        +1. Love it .. he should be way, way, way down on the list. Just slightly above Lin

    • guest

       because he sucks

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    Adande Who ?

    The poor J Adande from LA who praise the winners and bush the Losers  ? Yes always the next day.
    How cheap is it to insert his rants to validate your opinion ? Very cheap. All this journalist who discovered the art of barking on everything and never stick with one opinion.
    And I should to believe to yours and Adande BS. So Lin should have been our first option in FA ?

    FU and your JAdande, mate

  • Sam Holako

    Just a shot in the dark, probably wishful thinking, but the Raptors and Rockets could do this trade:

    To Rockets
    Jose Calderon
    DeMar DeRozan

    To Raptors
    Kyle Lowry
    Kevin Martin

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wg5r9u

    Lowry can get away from McHale, Calderon pairs up with his buddy Scola, Houston maintains cap flexibility and get younger at shooting guard (they give up scoring, but they also save about$8mil).
    The Raptors get a young point guard on a phenomenal contract, get a wing scorer who can’t defend, but someone who can shoot from the perimeter and create his own scoring ops…

    Thoughts?

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      I can be wrong but Demar is out of the question. Too much time invested on him.
      They want a pick

      • mountio

        We can NOT be giving up picks for someone like Lowry .. at least not first rounders .. when people talk about Nash mortgaging the future .. at least he didnt cost us any young players or picks. Believe it or not, Id rather give up DD (assuming the right package comes back) than picks .. we should be trading FOR picks, not getting rid of them.

      • Sam Holako

        Three years isn’t that much time; not when Bargnani was given 7.

        • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

          Actually he is the best player in the roster. If you don’t agree with that call D Casey and tell him

          • 2damkule

            bwah – fucking – ha.

          • Nilanka15

            Ben Gordon is Charlotte’s best player.  It doesn’t mean anything.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              The reason the Raptors suck is because their best player is a 7ft tall inconsistent jump shooting half ass allergic to rebounding & defense I wanna be a PF not a Center sucka side busta and a team is a reflection of their best player.

              You can’t do a true rebuild until both AB & Jose, the 2 longest tenured Rap’s under BC, are traded away….until then it’s the same ol’ same just more trimming of the hedges not digging out the roots.

              • Nilanka15

                In a worst-case scenario, Jose’s got 10 months left as a Raptor.

                Bargnani will get traded the moment Colangelo is canned, which will probably be around April 2013, lol.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  Time will tell…

              • Tesla

                Hmm… I somehow get the feeling that I’ve heard this before…

                You talk about Bargnani here more than anyone else. It’s SO obvious that deep down you really like his game and is his number one fan!! Good on ya mayne!!

          • Destro

            0 all star appearances

    • mountio

      I think this is actually possible .. and if fact think DD is likely gonna have to be involved in any deal to get Lowry. Do I love this deal .. cant say I love it .. but cant say I hate it either .. certainly food for thought .. 

    • Balls of Steel

      It was bandied about that Calderon may be a suitable target for Houston as they try to get Pau out of LA. So the Spanish connection is there. Houston really wants Pau hard.

      • Destro

        They’re not gonna trade Pau now that nash is there…they believe they have one last run..if anyone moves i think its bynum…

    • SPPROMOS

      UR NOT GETTING MARTIN IN THAT DEAL

      • Destro

        you dont want Martin in that deal…

  • SPPROMOS

    You guys are all wrong about fields….slightly overpaid but in reality hes another young 6’7 wing man that we need…i like his game he plays defense and can run the floor…he rebounds aswell…stats dipped because of the system he was in and playing with melo is hard hes a ball stopper… Last time I check Kleiza sucks and james johnson sucks balls on offense im cool with fields at the 3 DD at the 2 and ross off the bench with johnson coming in to play some D….were a much deeper team now….Calderon needs to be dealt or amnasty….forbe can go too aswell as the D leauge scrubs we had on the roster….sign bayless to back up pg money train him to be the next jason terry one job score bucketts….And thank god we didnt give nash 36 mil….Ed davis need to step up he has some potential and i do like amir johnson those 2 can be our back up bigs behind val and bargs who i think is a heck of a talent….so what he plays no D were gonna look like idiots when we trade him and he blows up like dirk…i rather him than aldrige who didnt wanna come to Toronto, Roy whos injured and Gay who is the SF we covet now….Gay’s game looks sexy with the fade aways and such athletic abilty but bargs is more of a matchup nightmare for teams on a nightly basis…we did good with that pick….Big lowery fan not sure if id trade DD for him though….

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      AB is 27 not 19 his Dirk comparison days are over except for a few deranged AB stans……..lmfao

      • SPPROMOS

        hes more like a poor mans dirk but dude still a heck of a player unique skill set… just needs a better team around him that knows he should be shooting it everytime down the court…like i said im hard pressed to find a better player in that draft that should have went 1

        • Destro

          LA is a better player that shoulda went 1

          and what has his unique skillset gotten him ?
          His skill set isnt that unique,that narrative is so lame….Whats unique is a man 7 feet 260 pounds afraid to bang and afraid to rebound the ball…

    • sleepz

      Melo made him shoot under 30% from three and 56% from the FT line?

      I find it interesting hearing how many people kill Melo on this forum. I heard nothing about him ruining his teammates blossoming careers when he was in Denver.

      • Destro

        melo at his best is a top 5 player in the league…and hes what makes the Knicks go and hes the reason they will contend IF they ever do it Fck Lin and whoever else REAL spit and fk these goofs who dont understand basketball and how you win with stars NOT Landry Fields….

        • Nilanka15

          Top 5?  C’mon.  Is that kinda like DeRozan being a top 5 athlete?

          I would take all of these guys before Melo:

          LeBron
          Wade
          Kobe
          Durant
          Dirk
          Rose
          Howard
          Paul

          • Sam Holako

            Not to mention:

            Bynum
            Love
            Griffin
            Wall
            Irving
            Nash…nevermind

      • Bendit
  • Troy
    • Troy
      • Troy

         Raptors get:
        Lowry
        Scola
        Morris
        Rockets get:
        Calderon
        DeRozan
        Davis

        • Destro

          Hate it….

          • Nilanka15

            Yup.  Change for the sake of change.  It doesn’t do anything to improve our team.

          • RaptorFan

            I hate it too!  I dont get why fans wanna trade Davis and Demar for Marginal players…..Demar and Davis could still turn out to be really good players….they’re both very young and far from their prime…..Scola is 32 for god’s sake! ugh

            • Destro

              No way id trade Edward for an unathletic undersized 4 NOPE !

        • The Truth

           I wouldn’t be giving up Demar for that return, Ed I would give up for a box of timbits.

        • Brian B

           and WHY would Houston make this deal? Unless they can move KMartin’s deal, they don’t need DD. ED is not a significant switch from Morris & you have Houston giving up the two best players in the deal. Morey ain’t stupid…

      • arsenalist
  • FLUXLAND

    Let’s go after a guy who’s trying to get away from a HOFer and 3 time champ, so he can play for a guy who won it as an ass coach.

    Excellent.  

    • 2damkule

      now flux, you’re just bitter about having to accept nash on your lakers.  but in reality, it’s perfect for you…if they win a chip (or multiple), you don’t have to give him any credit, as he’ll be riding kobe/pau’s coattails to a title.  and if they don’t win one, then it’ll prove what you believe about him anyway.  win win.

      • FLUXLAND

        Bitter? Would be bitter after putting this up on my roof?

        OH CANADA!  

        I’ll give him credit based on his contribution to said potential chip. But I’m having nightmares of Westbrook abusing him like a tour rental mule.

        If they don’t win one, it’s on Jimmy. ; )

        • 2damkule

          nice.

          i wouldn’t worry too much about nash’s defensive shortcomings…every other starter/big-minute rotation guy that he’ll be sharing the floor with is – at worst – an above-average defender, no?  i’m guessing the defensive philosophy will be to funnel nash’s check to the help.  one of the reasons why he really didn’t make sense for TO (among other reasons).

          and how many PGs can actually contain an explosive guy like westbrook?  1, maybe two.  plus, while he’s ‘bad’ defensively, he’s also crafty/cagey, and knows how to position himself.

          • FLUXLAND

            Yeah, his liabilities will be well hidden, and he is crafty, I’m just worried about those one or two plays the game usually comes down with when it comes to the Lakers. But what’s the last time he had a Pau or Drew like big on his team? I’m guessing those are better attractions then Amir.

            I’m hanging my hat on his developed clutch-ness over the years, and I know Kobe respects the “I just got my head split open ala Zeke but don’t you dare take me out Coach!”.   

            Kobe, Pau, Nash..it’s like a Mensa meeting of basketball. Will Mike Brown even know what to do with these guys? Talk about hot seat.

            And Vitti will have him running like a well oiled machine.

            Stop me! Stop me now, I’m buying it all!

            Only request I have is he doesn’t wear #13.

            • Seeten

               He can’t wear #13, its retired. (Wilt Chamberlain)

              • FLUXLAND

                Excellent. Things are looking good.

    • p00ka

      A day or two ago you went to great effort to express your “fact” based account of Nash caring about money only. Any rescinding to come?

      • Rob

        +1. And I don’t expect anything less.

      • FLUXLAND

        I may consider it as soon as you provide a quote of my saying he is ONLY about money. (AND after the Lakers were discussed as an option.)

        • p00ka

          lmao, at “AND after the Lakers were discussed as an option”. Transparent, but I guess you figure it’s a nice bail out.

          Whatever rumours/options were being discussed at that time has nothing to do with the conversation we were having, and particularly the sweeping declarations you were making, when the only info you, or anybody, had privy to was what the Raps had offered. He hadn’t made a single public declaration of any kind yet.:

          “he’s made it abundantly clear that’s what he cares about 1st and foremost is cash, not anything else.”

          “Yeah, I criticize that. I don’t appreciate money chasers, maybe you do.
          He made his choice, money over rings, just like he’s doing now.  He
          chose the easy way out, choosing a team that was conducive to his style
          of play”

          And towards the end, you do the usual and resort to your typical internet punk offensive in another sweeping remark that has nothing to do with whether Lakers were in the convo or not, or whatever other rumours you were basing you’re researched and knowledgeable opinions on:

           
          “Are you dense?  So, you value guys that prefer cash over rings and I don’t. What exactly is your problem hombre?”

          ……………after the Lakers were discussed,,, precious cop out

          • Destro

            Your dumbass is more concerned quoting opinions and posters rather than contributing some intelligent analysis of the team,so wasteful….so corny.

            • Rob

              And your replies involve any intelligent analysis of the team? With your petty insults, calling people faggots to make it look you’re trying to get a point across, when you never had one to begin with. You’re the most biased MF d***-rider on the site lol, FOH man….

              When someone makes bogus claims on here and states them with conviction without providing any fact, expect them to be called out on it. That includes yourself, if you can’t back up or stand by something you say, then don’t say it in the first place if you don’t want to be called out on it, because the ONUS is on YOU to prove it. It’s people like you that make these forums teeming with bullshit. 

          • FLUXLAND

            hehehe.. gonna have to work hard to hang me, son.

            It’s not a cop out. All my points stand prior to the Lakers getting involved.

            He always chose cash 1st and foremost above anything else. See: PHX suns choice.

            I could even make the argument he made a that choice here 1st, cash, then rings.

            What I never did say, and you accused me of is that he ONLY cares about cash.. show me where i said that.. : )

            A + plus for effort though.

            And if you actually bothered to look at his quotes, he did make it clear that’s what he cares about 1st. I’m sorry it’s not so black and white for you, and we can argue over the semantics all day, but we will both have a different opinion.. you’ve made that clear and its all good. I know you think he’s a saint, no worries.

            I just got back from The Hip concert, so not even you can ruin my night… have good one too Pookster.

            • p00ka

              fn clown. “What I never did say, and you accused me of is that he ONLY cares about cash.. show me where i said that.. : )”

              reading comprehension problem? to repeat what you said once again:

              “he’s made it abundantly clear that’s what he cares about 1st and foremost is cash, not anything else.”

              Are you able to read it this time, fn punk clown.

              • FLUXLAND

                1st and foremost is ONLY?  And I suffer from lack for reading comprehension? 

                Unless you are getting hung up the “not anything else” –  that’s a reference to not caring about anything else 1st. : )

                You dumb twat.. go back to grade school. 

  • SPPROMOS

    DEROZINS CEILING IS WAY HIGHER THAN LOWERY

    • 2damkule

      debatable.  perhaps even a reach.  DD’s ceiling should be clear by now, since the things he would need to improve upon to reach it should be in better focus.  but he still has no reliable long-range shot, still has no handles, still can’t finish at the rim with contact, still can’t defend, and doesn’t create one iota of offense for his teammates.  any improvements he’s shown in those areas have been marginal, and as such, no one should think that he’s anywhere close to being on the cusp of being anything other than a fairly decent rotation scorer on a mediocre team. 

      • Nilanka15

        Yeah, but he can dunk without any defenders around…

        • FLUXLAND

          And he plays paintball, he hangs at the YMCA…all the markings of true champion, one dedicated to his craft. The next Kobe, right?

          Oh Sonny where art thou? 

          • Nilanka15

            Paintball eh?  That could mean he’s got killer instinct.

            I change my mind, DeRozan really is the next Kobe.  We should extend him now before anyone else realizes it.  It’s the Colangelo way.

            Buy high, sell low.

            • FLUXLAND

              There’s our boy, working on his game…err paintball game, that is. Hitting up Rosco’s next!

              But don’t let that fool ya, if you watch enough Raps TV you’ll be hypnotized into thinking he’s a “gym rat”..so yeah, an extension is clearly in order.

              I also love his current Twitter account background.. walking away from everyone like: F this!  Tell us how you really feel DD.

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                A gym rat can’t have a life?smdh

                • FLUXLAND

                  I thought you said he wasn’t your boy?

                  : )

                  Gym rat – evidenced by his game growing leaps and bounds from year to year, I assume?  Hey, you know who else was gym rat and killed it in practice but couldn’t translate it into an actual game? Joey f Graham. 

                  Lazy Garfield Eyes is no gym rat either way, give it a rest.

                  He can have a life, I could care less, but let’s not pretend we are dealing with someone dedicated to his craft.

                  For all that head shaking you do, you really need to give your head a shake sometimes, G2G. You and I agree on a lot of things, but your clear racist bias is not one of them.

                • hater

                  dummy, he plays ball for a living and by 1 pic ur judging that he dont work hard? these guys arent robots dummy they eat shit and sleep like any1 here. smh at this dumbass…anothr 1 of ur brilliant comments

                • p00ka

                  He uses one pick/statement/play/whatever all the time to back up his twisted view of the world through his expert GM glasses. I’m beginning to feel sorry for the bugger. One must be leading a pretty damn sad real life to spend so much time bashing others over the fn internet.

                • Destro

                  Thats exactly what ur bitchass does here tho…

        • 2damkule

          touche…as long as he gets a running start.

        • SPPROMOS

          BIG lowery fan tho…we wont get him tho they want alot for him

          • Destro

            Yea AND theyre losing Dragic and maybe Lin

      • Copywryter

        This ^^

  • Greg

    Some good comments here, but I think the writer misses the main point. The Raps have improved at least a bit with the addition of Fields, which also improved their chances of getting Nash (despite the end result). I think it was a brilliant attempt by Colangelo – kudos to him for trying.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      You win the ‘I am stuck on stupid’ badge for today- enjoy & congrats…..sheeesh.

    • Destro

      Disgusting how anyone can refer to what has happened as brilliance….Raps fans are thee dumbest in the league bar none….

      • 2damkule

        well, for some, having the raptors mentioned in the US media is enough. 

      • SPPROMOS

        i disagree those charlotte fans have it ruff too wtf is MJ doing…

        • Destro

          They have it rough im sure they aint calling cheese eyes brilliant tho….

    • Sam Holako

      I do appreciate swinging for the fences, but there is a HUGE difference between take a flyer on renting a Dwight Howard or Deron Williams for a year with the hopes of resigning them, and overpaying (not by that much mind you) a Landry Fields in a power move that backfires when you misread everyone playing at the table.

      The use of ‘brilliant’ in assessing BryCo’s Nash strategy is an epic overstatement.

      • 2damkule

        but but but…EVERYONE’S talking about ‘us!’  ‘we’re’ quasi-relevent for a few seconds…oh, the attention, it feels so good…

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          They are not laughing with us they are laughing at us though….

          • 2damkule

            like it fucking matters to these asshats.

      • SPPROMOS

        i like fields game but sign dude if u think it will make the team better not some stupid ploy to get nash….everyone except for colangelo knew nash wasnt comin to tdot…its not van city hes not from here…. 

    • Nilanka15

      Yikes.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    And starting at pg for your 2012-13 Toronto Raptors (Bargnanis) numero ocho Jose Calderon…..

    • 77er

      I like Jose. He’s a solid pg.

  • Destro

    Dayum with Dragic and Lin signing that pretty much closes the door on a Lowry deal….
    Anybody want to renege on there playoff predictions for next year yet ?

    I wonder if a last ditched effort to get something done now might include a bargs trade…I always said hed never do it but you know if he misses the boat on a PG he might get desparate knowing his job is on the line…should be interesting…

    • Nilanka15

      The playoff predictions were based on Nash signing here.  This isn’t an opportunity for an “I told you so”.

      • Destro

        Nah it came before Nash it was premeditated on the realization that Jonas Valchoonus was coming next season….thats when the playoff predictions started coming..when Nash hype hit it was top 4 team in the east lol….

    • 2damkule

      HOU could still be looking to move lowry and bring back another PG, but yeah, if NY matches lin’s offer, the market for PGs starts to look pretty meh. 

      of course, once nash was out of the picture, my hope is that BC swallows his gunslinger pride & realizes that jose/bayless offer him a PG duo that’s as good or better than anything he could fabricate via FA signing or trade.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    BC drafts SG DD #9 in 2009.

    BC drafts SG TR #8 in 2012 (with Andre Dummond still on the board whom BC said that he had TR rated higher on Rap’s draft big board than AD) while agreeing to sign SG/SF LFields to a 3y 19m contract offer sheet.

    BC sure knows how to build a roster…around AB….smdh

  • John

    We needed to address the PG situation through the draft and now that there are no viable PGs out there, We need to move pass it and address the SF situation. There are no reasons why we need to go after 2nd tier PG and over pay them and bring them here just for the sake of the PG.

    As far as the circus of Nash and Fields goes, sane people will write articles like above and the ones who are swimming in the Koolaid , like Matt 52 and his herd on the board here, will continue giving praises to BC no matter what.

  • max

    I don’t care when the team overspends if it means a better team. Way too much focus on spending by this website.

    • John

      You have to care because there is something called CAP !!! It is not like European soccer leagues that you can spent as much as he wants. Mathematically and logically, you can not over spent and also have a team with no holes in it.

    • Nilanka15

      There are no issues with spending.  It’s spending WISELY that’s Colangelo’s issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000608817227 Shane Arsenault

    I was just playing around with the trade machine. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ajl2el somebody explain to me why this isn’t possible

    • Nilanka15

      Harris isn’t a solution to our PG problems.  1) He’s an expiring contract, and he may not re-sign with us.  2) He’s not that good.

      As for Hayward, he’d be extremely lucky to ever put up DeRozan’s numbers.

      We’d be giving up the best player in the deal.

    • Brian B

         Because Utah already agreed to trade Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams on Monday.

      http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000608817227 Shane Arsenault

        Going to be a wild 2012/13 season with all these high profile shakeups

  • KJ-B

    Toronto/MLSE/BRYCO like most of all on here just need to shut up, put your tail between your legs, give up on pursuing a pg this offseason, focus on summer league and wait for the NBA narrative to change…

    Lick your Wounds one and all–THIS AIN’T the end of the world…if anything, Fields is playing with a better pg in Calderon and DeRozan has fiyah up his butt… LEt’s just wait til trading deadline next year b4 selling the farm!!!

  • LAraptorsFan

    Stein is reporting, raptors traded for Lowry. Giving up a 1st rd pick. more details to come. I guess the thinking is next draft sucks, and raptors will be too good for that 1st round pick to matter. lol.

    Still I like Lowry. A deal had to be done to save face.

  • jclaw

    prophetic article

  • Seeten

    Next draft sucks, so..lets accelerate the rebuild with Lowry?

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      We don’t know who will emerge for 2013…….don’t believe the weak hype!!

  • Seeten

    Honestly, this franchise is hopeless. I don’t even want to think about basketball right now I’m so depressed at the direction we’re going. How does a team with the #8 pick actually get worse with draft and free agency? This is how.

    • p00ka

      What has made the team worse?

  • Brian B

     Because Utah already agreed to trade Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams on Monday.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8124428/atlanta-hawks-trade-marvin-williams-utah-jazz-devin-harris-according-sources

    • Brian B

       sorry – wrong spot!

  • bigeasy88

    The Raptors have got to have the worst GM in the business. He could have gotten both Ross and Lowry on draft day. Drummond was still on the board and Houston would have easily given up Lowry and the 12th pick for 8.

    But instead they took Ross at 8, went all in on Nash, and even agreed to sign Fields to make sure the Knicks couldn’t obtain Nash. And the end result? Nash never wanted to go there, They’re stuck with Landry Fields, and now.. They’ve just given up next year’s lottery pick to Houston to get Lowry.

    • p00ka

      “Houston would have easily given up Lowry and the 12th pick for 8″

      Easily? Please fill us in how you know this? Do you know what deal was being offered, if at all, or internet speculation?

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      If not TRoss at #12, if he went before #12 then it still could have meant ARivers or JLamb plus Lowry instead of giving up a pick for Lowry.

      chadfordinsider Chad FordRockets tried to get Raptors ’12 pick for Lowry. Wanted either Andre Drummond or Austin Rivers. Future 1st likely comes in weaker ’13 Draft

  • TOraps

    Lowry traded to Raptors where are all these dumb fucks who were bashing him now? He traded a protected first rounder from the weak 2013 for him INSTEAD of the 8th pick from a deep 2012 draft. losers gonna bitch about what now?

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      BC gives up a future 1st round draft pick instead of trading down for 2 or more 1st round draft picks or by selecting ADrummond…..to get Lowry…….smdh

      I like Lowry because it means that Jose is a goner!!!

      Next up AB gots to go!!

      • TOraps

        Protected 1st round pick in weakest draft in decades 2013. Would you rather have Tross and Lowry, or Lowry and weak 2013 draft protected pick? Lowry is the best available PG after D-Will, and isn’t on a horrible contract

  • http://twitter.com/gotyourselfastu Tree

    Honestly, it seems as though too many people are letting Nash off the hook here. I don’t fault him for wanting to chase a ring or to be close to his family. That is both reasonable and commendable. However, given that his main goal was to be near his family (as per his agent), that meant that no matter what, Toronto was not an option. Did BC know this? I would guess not (as evidenced by the fact he thought NY – a team nowhere near his family – was his primary competition). As I see it, Nash / his agent strung Toronto along either as leverage, or as a ‘if all else fails’ Plan D (I think plan B was Dallas, C was NY). I get the ‘it’s a business’ argument, but Nash could have shown an ounce of class and made it clear to BC it was never happening (thus saving the franchise from this embarassment).

    That said, if he did indeed communicate this to BC … well, then BC is a massive idiot – period. But I really don’t believe this to be the case (witness the Fields deal). BC went all-in with this, and I don’t fault him for this.

    As for the NBA in general, fuck it. What a sham league. 9 teams have won the past 33 championships (and if you remove Dallas & Philly and their one-time wins, 7 teams have won 31 of the past 33). The reality of the league is that there are generally 3 types of players:

    1. Those that want to win, so they will only go to 5-6 teams (so long as there is another star already there)
    2. Those that don’t care about winning and follow the money, and therefore don’t actually win
    3. Players drafted by or traded to teams they don’t want to stay with, and therefore play out their time or sign a contract that overpays them.

    I know this over simplifies things … but I look at the Raps and think: no chance in hell. They’re a treadmill team: not good enough to win anything, not bad enough to draft a game changer. Just stuck in a big old pile of shit that smells worse every year.