Cheer up, you’re away from McHale!

The Raptors have acquired point guard Kyle Lowry from the Houston Rockets for Gary Forbes and a protected 2013 1st round pick.

This is being reported by multiple sources, including Raptors beat writers and ESPN, as well as Woj (aka the official NBA rumor confirmation source) from Yahoo. The protection is yet to be announced, though Woj indicated the teams are working on something “innovative” in that regard, possibly something like lottery-protected but with the right to a straight pick swap if in the lottery, or something of that ilk.

With a weak 2013 draft coming up and a bevy of young players already on the roster, plus the protection, losing the pick (and Forbes…like it matters) isn’t a big deal, really. Some may snap to say Colangelo gave up future assets for the present, but Lowry is just 26, so it’s not like we’re adding a near-pension player here.

I will try to contain my excitement here, but this is a GREAT get for the Raptors. Lowry is a good offensive player but a great defensive one, and one who has improved at both ends of the floor on an annual basis. While the issues with Coach Kevin McHale may give us pause, Lowry has also been stuck sharing time and starting duties with lesser point guards his entire career, so his beef is somewhat understandable. In Toronto, he may still share the lead guard roles depending on how things progress from here, but from what I hear about him at the personal level he is an ideal fit with Coach Casey’s philosophy and system, so maybe his attitude can be managed without much issue. He’s also close with Raptors’ assistant Alvin Boogie Williams, for what that’s worth.

For the team’s point guard situation, this muddles things. The Raptors don’t have to move around deck chairs to fit Lowry’s more-than-reasonable salary ($5.75M this year, $6.2M next year) into the budget, so they could conceivably keep both Jose Calderon and Jerryd Bayless in the mix. This seems wildly unlikely, and to me I think it means that Bayless’ qualifying offer will be rescinded. The team could also choose to amnesty Calderon to free up more money, or retain both guards and try to use Jose’s expiring contract as a trade asset in a future deal. In pure basketball terms, Jose offers a nice compliment as a high-efficiency pick-and-roll type of guard, though Bayless might make more sens fiscally.

The team still has a hole at small forward that may or may not be filled internally. The team could use a “2 wing” roster approach rather than a standard “SG-SF” thereby allowing them to play any of DeRozan, Ross, Fields, J-Johnson, and Kleiz interchangably on the wings, two at a time. It wouldn’t be an ideal solution, but it is clear that there is, at the very least, depth in-house, if some of the PF/PG depth can’t be moved for a true starting-caliber three.

As for Lowry, like I said, I’m a huge fan, and I hope I can convince all of you to jump on board – while he’s not Canadian Hero Steve Nash, he’s a better all-around player than both Lin and Dragic (not to mention Augustin, Felton and Nelson…I can’t believe people actually suggested we sign those jabronies), and has a much more robust track record of sustained success. He might not create the buzz that Lin would, but he’s coming cheaper than either would, on a shorter deal (and thus with greater flexibility), and in my mind is both a better all-around player and a better fit for this particular team.

Defensively, it’s difficult to mine a player’s value sometimes, at least without access to Synergy Sports data, but Lowry has a reputation as a bulldog defender, someone with a high effort level and the ability to create a lot of pressure on the ballhandler. Using Basketball Reference’s Win Share metric, he’s been worth between 1.5 and 2.0 wins on the defensive end the past two seasons, while 82Games shows that Houston was nearly 2 points per 100 possessions worse with him off the floor, though opposing point guards had a league-average 15.7 PER against him (a somewhat flawed metric in that it looks at defense strictly at the individual, not team, level).

In the aggregate, Lowry appears to be a strong player and a huge value on his contract. Using the $2.5M/win accepted rate I mentioned in my Fields’ piece the other day, Lowry comes out a massive value based on Basketball Reference’s numbers. BR sees Lowry as having been worth 5 wins last year and 7 the year before, meaning his actual value is somewhere in the $15M range (if this seems high, it’s indicative of the massive economic inefficiency that is the NBA’s maximum salary – using this valuation method, LeBron was worth over $36M last year). If you prefer 82Games, they also rated Lowry favorably, showing him as having been worth 2.9 points per 100 possessions for the Rockets based on On/Off Court data, with a 2.1 Simple Rating.

If you prefer your stats to be of the offensive-minded, Hollinger/ESPN type, Lowry rates well there, too. He was 12th among PGs in PER at 18.89, 12th in TS% (55.8%), 21st in Assist Rate (29.8), 36th in TO Rate (12.5%), and 2nd in Rebound Rate (8.2%). So, it’s clear he’s not a flawless player – he’s not the type of lead guard we’re used to with Jose here, as his assist rate and turnover rate aren’t quite where you’d like them. However, he’s a strong presence at the line (86%, 4 attempts per game), and from long range (over 37% 3FG% two years in a row) while providing elite rebounding from the guard spot.

So no, he’s not Nash or Jose offensively, but he’s certainly above-average in that regard. And again, the defense is there, and if you’re not one for advanced stats, it more than adequately passes the eye test.

I should be fair and point out, since I referenced Simple Rating, that Dragic scored better in this regard than Lowry, as did Jeremy Lin, and that’s a fair criticism of my analysis. But for Lin, I’ll point to the fact that his sample is under 1000 minutes and his plus-minus numbers are likely, at least partially, skewed by the fact that Linsanity took place over a particularly ugly stretch of Knick basketball where the threshold for impact would have been lower. Lin’s a great offensive force, but I don’t like his chances of staying healthy as a thin, contact-seeking guard, one with little defensive value at that. As for Dragic, his sample as a reserve is large and shows a capable backup, but he started just 28 games, which itself is just a 1000-minute sample. He performed very well, but the 4yr/34M price that is being discussed is too rich for my blood.

I’m sure I’ll be skewered for favoring Lowry since Dragic usurped him as the starter in Houston, Lin is a marketing force to be reckoned with, and he won’t be seen as an adequate fall-back for the Steve Nash All-In Strategy. But I’m standing by this – I love the Lowry deal. He’s a strong player, a great defender, a smart fit with the team concept, and came at a very reasonable price. I’ll like the deal exponentially more if the Raptors can now use their guard depth to fill the hole on the wing, but even as a stand-alone I like the move a good deal.

I’m sure Liston and Arse will be chiming in before the weekend with their thoughts and analysis. Sorry if this seemed a bit rushed or jumpy, but I really wanted to get to yell FIRST at the other RR writers (read: I’m at work and struggled to squeeze an article in my afternoon).

Let’s hear the thoughts of the Nation!

Update: Per Eric Koreen of The National Post: “The pick will be in the lottery, with protections for both the Rockets and Raptors. The specifics were not immediately clear, but the Raptors will not lose the pick immediately if it is too high, and the Rockets will not get it if it is too low.”

  • RapsM

    YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      BC gives up a future 1st round draft pick instead of trading down for 2 or more 1st round draft picks or by selecting ADrummond…..to get Lowry…….smdh

      • Lorenzo

        Lol that was the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while,

        • Rob

          Thats only because you haven’t been here for a while. lol

        • CJT

          Just give him about 15 minutes he will come up another.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Raptors most likely still could have drafted either TRoss, ARivers or JLamb at #12 and then a project like PJIII or TWJr with the other 1st round draft pick while still getting Lowry and keeping their 2013 1st round draft pick outright.

        • Lorenzo

          Ok genius, How did you know this?? Were you in the conference room answering phone calls? How did YOUR crusty ass know that the offer was even still there? Oh yeah, cause it wasn’t. making shit up like always.

          “Bargs is stealing Ed’s minutes and hurting his development!!”

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            Hope you feel better.lmfao at u 

            • Lorenzo

              Oh nothing to say now? soft as usual

            • TOraps

              Answer the question!!

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000608817227 Shane Arsenault

                 settle down guys, we are all cheering for the same team here

                • Lorenzo

                   You must be new here.

        • Ballin

           You really hate everything about life don’t you? You are so pathetic this is as good of a trade that you can make.

        • TOraps

          “Most likely”…. why are there so many morons on here that hear a rumor by “sources” and think its real. “Most likely” doesn’t translate to “will” but some idiots like the one above seem to interpret it that way. It isn’t official until it’s made official, so stfu and stop reaching for any opportunity you can just to rag on the Raptors for the fuck of it.

          • Troy

            its nba.com of course its real dumbass

            • TOraps

              From “sources” dumbass, who are these sources? did Morey or Colangelo come out and confirm the rumors? stfu

        • Thetruth

          2013 draft is almost universally acknowledged by NBA scouts as possibly the weakest draft since 2000 (the year K-Mart went #1)

          Source: Chad Ford, ESPN

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Thats easy to say now when Nash was our first priority during draft discussions and an offer would prob affect how we get Nash

      • p00ka

        Please, educate us: what deal was offered, and what is your source? If the Drummond route, how can you know what he could have been traded for? You’re just talking out of your azz, with no basis for any of it, unless internet speculation, combined with your vivid imagination, is a basis.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

          • Lorenzo

            “Lot of dots speak louder than words.”

            – BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            • ballin’

              It’s impossible to argue with that guy. Doesn’t admit defeat even when he’s wrong. Clearly he must not know a single thing about the raptors if his name reads “CaseyGots2Go”…

      • Destro

        its protected man relax….1-3

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          And with BC’s bad karma it will be #4…..lol

          • Thetruth

            Even if it is #4…Kyle Lowry is the better player than a #4 pick in the 2013 draft.

            Wow, I can’t believe you’re hating on this trade. 

            • Ihatehaters

              BCStefansky… hates everything. Even if the stuff he dreams up as alternatives (ie should have traded down, got Drummond, packaged up Forbes and 2nd rounder for Deight Howard) came true, he would then hate those deals. Angry little man is all.

        • sleepz

          A top 5 pick (4 or 5) would be an important piece for a team with marginal talent.

          It’s a gamble.

          • hater

            lol this guy tryin everything. so when bc plays it safe u give him shit for that. when bc takes risks, u give him shit for that. a dummy like u just cant be pleased foh.

          • Destro

            I get that but we dont know what else might be done..if this winds up being a 8th 9th team at the minimum that pick wont matter as much…So basically the pick will only be worth something if the Raps remain a 25th-30th place team….tbh im not overly excited about ’13 minus Shabazz and i still think he might be only a 6th man in the NBA…

            I know everyone is yelling about Wiggins in ’14 and ’15 but as long as 1-3 are protected i think were ok…Gamble agreed but i thnk its a reasonable risk to accept given that it is a sizeable upgrade right now…if we have the 4th pick in 2014 or 2015 we wont getting the kid anyway… 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

            Most likely this team isn’t even going to be that bad that we will even be in that position to be a top 5 lottery team. We will be in contention for a playoff spot. Everyone quit bitching. This is a great trade that BC finally pulled off

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        CB TPE, do you know me?

      • Thetruth

        First of all, we don’t know if Houston was offering Lowry and BOTH their 2 first round picks for our number 8 pick so that’s just speculation. Some Raptors sources flat out denied Houston made that offer to them. Second, Terrence Ross was in all likelihood NOT going to be available at 12 and certainly not at 16. Terrence Ross in the 2013 draft? Probably a top 5 pick considering how weak it is so great deal by Colangelo preserving the better pick in a deeper draft. Second, we just landed a potential All-star point guard and All-defensive team point guard for almost NOTHING! 

        Some people are just never happy.

        • The Truth

           The only rumors I saw regarding this was a straight up swap of Lowry for the 8th pick was offered, trading us out of the draft completely.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        Shush

      • Newsflash

        lol, thats funny!

      • Matt52

         Question: how do you know that 2 or more first round picks were on the table?  Do you work for the Rockets or Raptors?

        12 most certainly was not on the table and the Rockets and 76ers were very much interested in Ross.  He was not making it to 16.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Looks like Lin will stay in NY (will match Hou/any offer if Lin signs it) with JKidd as a mentor:

      In an unforeseen reversal, Jason Kidd has decided to leave the Dallas Mavericks to join the New York Knicks, according to sources familiar with the decision.

      With the Mavericks confident that they were closing in Thursday on a verbal agreement on a three-year deal with Kidd worth $9 million, sources told ESPN.com that Kidd — after all-day deliberations with both teams — has decided instead to leave Dallas to join the Knicks for a similar deal.

      The contract can’t actually be signed until July 11, which is the first day new NBA contracts can be signed. It’s also possible, one source said, that Kidd could ultimately move to the Knicks in a sign-and-trade deal.

      Sources briefed on the matter told ESPN.com that Kidd was ultimately swayed to take the Knicks’ offer to come to New York and take on the challenge of trying to help the Knicks move into the Eastern Conference elite and also mentor fans’ darling Jeremy Lin.

  • boshrawr

    Neato colangelo neato! I personally would love to hear destros take on this 😉

    • onemanweave

       Sounds sensible. Maybe he’s not Nash, but they’re not paying him like Nash and he’s a whole lot younger. Can’t wait to hear how the doom and gloom brigade spin this one.

      • p00ka

        +1, on all accounts

      • Mapko

        Lowry is also a significant improvement on D over current the PG (Jose) or 1 that “got away” (Nash) as well as a lot cheaper, younger & healthier.
        Great deal for BC IMHO.

        • Destro

          signifigant at both ends,he can get to the basket off the dribble drain the mid range shots and he will be a huge upgrade def over Calderon…..

  • KuH

    My only concern is an attitude thing: if he is happy sharing the PG duties with Calderon, it could be great.  Coach can mix-and-match a defense-first or an offense-first PG as the circumstances require.  Re-sign Calderon on a smaller contract, just as Lowry’s contract is due to go up, and we have a fantastic 1-2 punch.

    Now if his attitude is ‘I’m the guy, and no way am I sharing PG duties’, we’re screwed.  So a lot is down to mentality.  Complaints of out Houston notwithstanding, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    P.S.  Where does that leave Bayless?  Let’s see where he sits on the depth chart at the 2, and then decide …

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Attitude? Where did you get that from?smdh

      Jose is the one who visibly sulks when someone makes him compete for his job so BC has to trade them away to pacify Jose mentality ie Ford/Jack.

      • Lorenzo

        Tony Wroten is so shit lmao, guy averaged more turnovers than assists in college dkm! He won’t even get a minute of playing time this year, have fun in the D-league kiddo! Quincy Pondexter is ahead of him in the depth chart too. is this the guy you claim is gonna be the best pick in the draft? haha!

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Let you tell it…….hope that makes you feel better….lmfao at u

          • Lorenzo

            Am I lying? lol

          • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

            Go2theshop, buy a T Wroten Junior Tshirt and Go2Bed!

      • Jerome27

        When the fuck has Calderon ever sulked? He has publicly stated that he will do whatever he can to help the team win and will take the back-up role no problem. He has been the classiest and most professional player the Raptors have arguably ever had SMDH..SMDH..SMDH..im mocking your dumb ass btw..SMDH..SMDH.. I understand that you’re a troll but do you really have nothing better to do with your life than post negative bullshit that is retarded on this forum all day? The only thing that is good about your posts is that when (sane) people read them they feel better about their own lives. smdh

        • Destro

          Calderon sulked in Spain summer of 08 saying that he needed to start and not be the backup…same things fan hated about TJ althought TJ never came out and was quoted in a paper…mmhmm !

          • p00ka

            BS. Show it.

            • Destro

              you have a mouse and modem ya lazy ass bish…

              • p00ka

                It’s up to you to back up your claims, ya little punk. You spew BS all the time and this is a whopper, in your tradition.

                • Destro

                  No its not dickslap..its known by anyone that follows the team,it was in a spanish paper summer of 08

                  lazy muthafucka go empty ur bedpan its getting full…

              • Thrillho

                This was actually pretty funny haha.

      • DoNDaDDa

        actually.. BC had to trade Ford/Jack because they couldnt handle the fact that Jose F’n Calderon beat them out for the starters roll… both of them had the chance to take it from Jose and they couldnt do it.. they were the ones sulking while Jose was busting his tail off trying to help the team.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Let you tell it…….lol

          • Dan

            You’ve now crossed the line between a guy with strong opinions and a legit ately bad person who can’t give credit to anyone but themselves, ever. This was obviously a good move, anybody with a brain bigger than a pea can see that. What you’re saying isn’t an opinion, it’s a lie. And you can’t back up anything you say, ever. Can’t imagine how much life sucks for someone so miserable.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              Let you tell it……lmfao at u

              • Dan

                You can laugh but it doesn’t change the truth. Your outlook on life is a joke.

                • Thetruth

                  Absolutely agree with you. I would offer a suggestion to RR to probably look into volunteer moderators to clean up the board a little with this childish vitriol. 

                  It really takes away from a fun and intelligent discussion.

                • Lorenzo

                  I’ve been waiting for that for a while now, it’s not going to happen. If you cant beat ’em, join ’em. It’s a lot of fun, try it!

                • Thetruth

                   I just ordered Plato’s republic on Amazon.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Perhaps you should look into why its called Republic? Do they not teach this anymore? Do yourself a favour and read Plato’s Republic..should be mandatory reading.

                • Thetruth

                  In which chapter of Plato’s Republic is banning trolling in the comments section discussed?

                • Ihatehaters

                  BCStefansky… HATED Plato’s Republic, too.

      • Mapko

        Jose???????????????????????????????
        Pay attention: When Jose is on the bench & Raps make a comeback -Jose is standing & cheering our team, while others (Ford in particular) would salk.
        Like him or not, Jose has been an ultimate team player.

      • CJT

        You stupid bastard.  Ford was the starting PG and jose stole his job.  Are you ever going to state something that was a fact.  Jose has been one of the only players that has consistently put the team first.  I guess his turnovers aren’t high enough for you.

        • Destro

          False TJ got hurt,he never took anything…

        • Destro

          Impossible for a PG of such limited skill to turn the ball over…

          • CJT

            what happened when TJ came back dildo?  Did he get his job back?  Clown.  Get your facts straight.  Because he started sulking about not starting Jose voluntarily went back to the bench for the sake of the team.  I suppose you’re right about his limited skill though.  Enjoy your pick up rec center ball.

            • Tesla

              Did you call him a dildo? Oh man I’m laughing harder than I should

              • Destro

                Are you white ?

            • Destro

              Thats not having your job stolen faggot…Dont talk about facts bruh cuz you know nothing about em…Yea TJ didnt like playing back up after coming back..fans misperceived that as bemoaning,summer of 08 Calderon did the same thing from home and quoted in a paper stating he cant go back to being a back up hence the Ford trade to indy…Jose didnt do shit for the sake of the team..

              FACT Jose sulked in a spanish [paper about not starting and bitches/hypocrites like you looked the other way and gave him a pass for it….

              Because too many of yall play favourites on this team….

      • Randy Matchoman Sandwich

        in your case, smdh must mean shaking my dumb head

    • Good Trade

      Crazy Deal!
      Feel like we gave up nothing, though the lost pick may hurt down the line.
      To make it a successful off season, BC needs to make a few more moves.
      I am not sure if this means that we are back to a steady rebuild or going for
      The playoffs this year. I guess the next move decides that. I think a healthy Bayless
      Is as good or better than JC or KL, but it seems that he won’t get that chance
      Here.

      • Nilanka15

        Morey just got fleeced large.  Solid bounce back for Colangelo.

        A lotto pick in a weak 2013 draft is a small price to pay for a young PG with all-star potential.  Forbes was less valuable than a rack of Spaldings.

        Great move that cost us nothing.

        • sleepz

          I like Lowry but we don’t know what the 2013 draft will produce and Houston apparently doesn’t have to use that pick next year.

          • Destro

            It looks weak tho….

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              Hou doesn’t have to take the 2013 pick they can wait it out for a few years until 2018 if they don’t like what they see in said draft up to then….

          • Nilanka15

            You’re right, we don’t know with certainty.  But based on current projections, it’s a very safe move. 

            • sleepz

              We’ll see. A pick that could potentially be a #4 or #5 pick for a team with no all-star talent could turn out to be a crippler.

              We won’t know the results for awhile but remember the name Roy Hibbert before the party at Real Sports heats up 2nite. lol

              • Seeten

                 With the way other teams aggressively tank, there is 0 chance we’ll be bad enough to get a top 5 pick. The only way that’ll happen is if the lottery balls favor us and put us top 3, and if that happens, its top 3 protected, so we’ll get it. We were destined for a #10 pick type finish prior to lowry, and still probably #9 to #13 with him. Doesn’t move the needle that much, imo. It sure isn’t gonna be a #4 or #5 pick.

              • Destro

                IM not sad about Hibbert if its a player like Wade like a star and elite talent that we miss on,that will hurt….

              • Thrillho

                You remember this same situation happened to Detroit in one of the deepest drafts ever? #2 overall and with it…Darko Milibitch. I’ll take my chances with a proven commodity now versus a what if down the road.

              • CJT

                How in the world can their pick next year be a top 5 pick with the addition of talent to the team for next year?  I mean anything can happen, but they couldn’t have tried harder to lose more games down the stretch and still could only manage 8th pick.  I just don’t see it.

              • RapthoseLeafs

                [“We won’t know the results for awhile but remember the name Roy Hibbert before the party at Real Sports heats up 2nite.” – sleepz]

                You mean Roy Hibbert, the max contract guy who’s probably heading to Portland.

                .

        • Destro

          He didnt get fleeced…..They both took risks..Morey is gambling that the Raps will be a lottery team for a few years and BC is gambling that his new PG helps put them in playoff contention and make those picks far less desirable….we’ll see… 

        • mountio

          Its hard to call a first rounder “nothing”. Regardless of how weak the draft is supposed to be … first rounders are gold in this league. Risky move by BC. This is why I liked Nash .. no loss of young talent. All in all – a resonable risk to take .. but to say is cost nothing is a vast overstatement

  • playoffs please

    best raptor pickup in years

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      PlayOff coming as Iggy !

  • blackangus

    Package Calderon and Derozan for Rudy Gay, Iggy, or Granger

    • NyAlesund

       +1

    • http://twitter.com/gotyourselfastu Tree

      Makes too much sense … 2 (now) expendable players for players that are available AND fit team needs – since when is that this team’s MO?

    • Nilanka15

      I’d prefer a SF who can create his own shot (not really Iggy’s forte), but Gay would be icing on the cake.  Granger would be pretty sweet too.

      • Thetruth

        Granger is a great get don’t get me wrong but I feel Derozan has still lots of room to grow. Granger is not an efficient player on the offensive end and turns the ball over quite a lot. Rudy Gay would be PERFECT next to JoVal and Bargnani.

        • Nilanka15

          The problem is that Gay may not even be on the block, and even if he was, it doesn’t look like Memphis has a need for a backup PG or PF.  Not sure if any of our pieces would be of interest.

          • Thetruth

             Very true. Honestly, I do wonder even though this proposal is an extreme long shot but what would it take to pry MKG away from Charlotte? Derozan, Ed Davis, Future first round, and Calderon?

            Lol…forget about it, no way Charlotte would go for that lol.

        • Destro

          Granger is NOT great…

    • Thetruth

      An intriguing consideration but I wouldn’t part with Derozan for Iggy or Granger. I feel Derozan still has a lot of room to grow. On the other hand, I would part with a package of Calderon and Derozan for Rudy Gay because he is a much better overall player than either Iggy or Granger ever were.

      • speedbag

        are you joking? the griz played the best when he was hurt!

  • Matthew Nelson

    Gets a nod from me.  I’d love to see us parlay the logjam at 1 and 4 into an elite SF.  Good mix of experience and organic growth potential in the lineup now.

    • Destro

      smh @ organic growth potential

      • guest

         +1

        hilarious

  • skeptical

    I’m curious about the conditions on the draft pick, but it’s hard to fault this trade based on what we know right now. Good talent, good price, and hopefully a good fit for the team.  I wasn’t sold on grabbing a PG this off-season, but was assuming it would be considerably more expensive than this move.

    • Nilanka15

      Rockets get 2013 pick if between 3-14.  If not,
      Rockets get 2014 pick if between 2-14.  If not,
      Rockets get 2015 pick if between 2-14.  If not,
      Rockets get 2016 pick if between 1-14.  If not,
      Rockets get 2017 pick if between 1-14.  If not, Rockets get nothing.

      Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

      • Tesla

        Basically if we make the playoffs every year for the next 5 years we keep the pick(s).

        • Nilanka15

          According to what I’ve seen thrown around on twitter, yes.

        • Nilanka15

          Check that.  If we make the playoffs for 5 straight years, it looks like Houston gets our 2018 pick (unprotected).

          • Juicy

            That makes most sense.  Can’t imagine a scenario where they ultimatley get nothing (other than Gary Forbes).

          • Destro

            I would place a nice wager we wont do that…maybe not lottery but we wont go on that type of run…

        • Destro

          Based on what we’ve seen the last 6 years why would that be an assumption ?

      • rus

         who’s to say the raps don’t make a trade in a few years that lands them a 1st rounder, I see nothing wrong with this trade

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Who is to say that they will?

  • Scrabis was fouled

    We will be a much better team next year…this team is going in the right direction (ie casey’s)

  • boshrawr

    Hope Colangelo learnt from Burkey and made that pick protected. I don’t like the sound of ‘innovative’. They all had playoffs aspirations for the leafs when kessel came over, we all know what that draft pick turned into. Fancy a bit of irony? Biggest steal in a while though. Way to recover BC I salute you. Nowhere to go but up people. Next move for colangelo: get lowry to sign an extension immediately :)

    • Destro

      How does a basketball GM learn from another sport GM ?

  • Copywryter

    Optimism born of desperation will only lead to disappointment.

    • Lorenzo

      Not particular in this case, Nash wouldn’t have lasted long and many believe Lowry was the better choice form the start.

      • Copywryter

        I did too, but that doesn’t mean my expectations for a slightly-above-average guard who lost his starting job on a middling team are high. He’s good value but not a great player. 

        It is clear at this point that unless JV is an absolute stud this team will self-destruct in three years. 

        • Thrillho

          Won’t Bargs’ and Fields’ contracts be up in three years? Isn’t that 21 mil in cap space on two players? Self destruct? Clear? explain yourself please.

          • Copywryter

            We don’t have anyone under contract in 3 years so BC brought in a guy with 2 years to go. That makes sense to me. If JV doesn’t pan out then the three year mark  (and year 2, really, as the movement will happen then) is when the rebuild will happen. Again. That may bite us re: lowry. 

  • Raps.TO

    It seems the pick is lottery protected in terms that if it is in the Lottery Houston will swap their 1st Rd. pick with our 1st Rd. pick

    • Thornbury

      If that is the case, I am happy since the rockets look markedly better since the offseason began. As do we. Picks SHOULD be fairly close to one another.

    • sleepz

      So if the Raps get the #2 pick in the draft, Houston can give us theirs and take ours?

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    This is a move that goes with the DEFENSE 1st mentality I bet Casey if happy that he got Lowry over Nash…….from a defensive perspective.Still I want to know how/why BC had TRoss rated over ADrummond on the Rap’s big board on draft nite….

    • Nilanka15

      Let if go, kiddo.  lmfao!

    • Mapko

      1. We do not need another big (unless for trade purpose. And yes Drummond would be more valuable there);
      2. We do not need another big that will take 2-3 years (at least -see Ed Davis) to develop.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        You draft talent, you trade/acquire for needs……

        • p00ka

          Drummond has no talent. He’s big, strong, no skill.

      • Copywryter

        I can’t think of any bigs that didn’t need 2-3 years to develop. Duncan? When was the last time a big won ROY? You have to go back to Stoudemire in 2002. I skipped Okafor as he didn’t actually develop.

    • Matt52

       29% FT?

      Inability to dominate with his size and athleticism?

      Indifferent attitude on the court?

      Huge Kwame Brown/Hasheem Thabeet potential?

  • ad

    Great trade. Potentially the best trade BC has ever been made. They likely will trade or amnesty calderon. I would amnesty Amir personally and use calderon as a trade chip.

    • Nilanka15

      I don’t see anyone being amnestied unless it’s required to get another player.  No point amnestying for the sake of it.

  • golden

    I have a bad feeling about the 1st rounder.  Such is BC’s luck these days that it will end up being Wiggins.

    • Lorenzo

      Wiggins can’t be drafted until 2014. We don’t know what year the pick is yet though.

    • Thornbury

      Fuck man, don’t even say that. I am sure it #1 pick protected

      • Destro

        Its a protected pick so 1-3 1-3 and then 1 in 2015 are protected meaning the Raps want Wiggins they’ll get him…

  • Slimshaid

    LOVE this move, gives us freedom to move Jose for a starting level 3 and keeps us young.  IF they can move Jose and hang onto Bayless as the backup, thats a great PG 1-2 punch right there.  Im not a big Dragic fan because he’s not as hard a defender, and I personally believe Lin will crash in the Woodson system.  Everyone forgets he was averaging like 5 to 7 TO’s a game.  D’Antoni’s system allowed for that because of the pace of the game.  In a 1/2 court situation, I think he’ll get burned.  Not saying he’ll become a scrub, but I’d be surprised if he keeps up the 20+ points, 8+ assists game.  Lowry is tough as nails, love to defend, and will thrive under Casey.  We get us a SF and we’re playoff bound (as long as Jonas lives up to his lofty expectation…which I think he will).

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    I can see Houston going after RFelton or ABrooks if JLin stays in NYC since Dragic is gone to the Suns.

    • Thrillho

      Thank you for talking about basketball again, you’re actually an insightful guy/girl when you’re not being an absolutely incessant cock sucker.

  • give me more arse

    nash would have been fun.  this trade means we are FINALLY finding an identity.  come to toronto and expect a tuf game my friend….   im lovin it.

    • Copywryter

      Errr, no. Adding one player does make us tough. DD and AB are not tough. Calderon is pathologically nice. We don’t have a shotblocker or a presence in the paint. 

      • Thetruth

        Kyle Lowry is as tough as they come. JoVal is no push over either. Honestly, we’re one rugged SF away from being one of the top defensive teams in the league.

        • Thetruth

          And I say this because we have a great coach in Dwane Casey who can bring the best out of his players. I also say this because if the Raps land a legit SF, we’re going to have a nice ultra long active frontline that might not be the best at blocking shots but will surely alter many opponent shots at the very least.

          Exciting acquisition landing Lowry. Bravo Colangelo.

        • Destro

          exaggeration times 50

          • Thetruth

            Well, excuse me if I believe that JoVal is a terrific defensive presence, that Kyle Lowry is an all-world perimeter defender, that Terrence Ross will grow into being a great defender, that Derozan has all the athletic tools to be a great defender and that Bargnani showed a lot of help defense activity on the floor last season.

            Combine that with the defensive pedigree of Coach Casey and yes I do think we are one legit SF away from being a top tier defensive team.

            • Destro

              Breh bargnani has NEVER shown any held D activity what are YOU watching ? Hes terrible at helping weak side….and ur suggesting a rookie never played a game is a terrific defender ?

              I like Lowry but dont get carried away…

              • CJT

                Breh, JV has been playing professional games for years.  And he is reportedly a pretty decent defender/shot blocker.

                • Destro

                  IN an inferior league with smaller slower less athletic players….playing professional over there is not the same…Or else more of these guys would come over and dominate (which they dont)

                • CJT

                  Who said dominate?  He has been playing basketball at a higher level than NCAA caliber ball.  His skills will translate to at least that level don’t you think?  I think he will struggle with fouls initially, but he has good footwork and seems to know where to be on D from the games I have seen.

  • C-low

    WHoever this BCed has to go dude is an idiot.

    Great move, best on the table, don’t care what “might of been” during the draft cuz none of us know. This is something to get excited about. This isn’t optimism born of desperation its a good move simply put well done BC. Let’s see what else you got in store.

    • Copywryter

      You’re excited about a middling point guard who lost his starting job on a middling team? Really? Why? 

      • Nilanka15

        You see middling point guard.  Others see a star on the rise.

        As for losing his starting gig, it’s possible McHale opted to go with continuity in Dragic (whose performance we should take with a grain of salt – contract year).

        • Copywryter

          If the ‘others’ saw a star on the rise why did we get him for almost nothing? Or are the ‘others’ all here in the purple echo chamber?

          • Rob

            What the other team gets in return for a player doesn’t always reflect the ability of the player getting traded. There have been plenty of trade steals in the league in the past, more talented, established players, traded for almost nothing. Barkley, Carter, Malone, Brand, Nowitzki, Gasol (arguable) etc. were all at one point traded for almost nothing. What they’re traded for should have no bearing.

          • Destro

            We didnt get him for nothing….They HAD to move him.

        • sleepz

          If you watched Houston down the stretch last year Dragic played some good ball and Lowry couldn’t get back in the starting line-up because of it.

        • CJT

          Didn’t he lose the starting job because a bacterial infection kept him out for a prolonged stretch of games?

          • Nilanka15

            Yup, but Lowry didn’t get the starting gig back even after returning because of how well Dragic was playing.

            • Matt52

               … and because of a poor relationship with McHale it would seem.

            • CJT

              that sounds familiar.

  • DC

    This should of been done days ago instead of that idiotic nash fiasco. But It’s what its. BC is not the shit people need to calm down yea dude made a good move after nash took a dump on his shoes. He’s still a clown as motherfucker  that needs to continue a proper rebuild starting with trading the “enigma of enigma’s” Andrea Bargina. If he trades Bargina for iggy straight up then I’ll be impressed. 

    • Lorenzo

      I wish. Not going to happen though.

    • DoNDaDDa

      & how the fuck would trading Bargs for an even older more overpaid iggy jump start the rebuild u speak of????

      • Lorenzo

        It would fill a need (defense), and we would be getting an allstar in return, sounds good to me.

        • DoNDaDDa

          im not argueing what iggy would bring to the team but DC rants about a rebuild then wants to trade Bargs for Iggy in the same sentance.. & id rather not give up Bargs for Iggy.. we could get iggy for much less

          • DC

            Im saying that the rebuild don’t start until Bargs is gone. Iggy is only 1 year older then bargs and is twice the player. And a shorter contract Bargs all star games= 0 iggy =1. He actually plays defense and averages just as many boards as Bargs despite being 6 inches shorter. He kind of does all the things Bargs doesn’t do. LMAO at your bball intelligence. 

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              The rebuild doesn’t start until both Jose & AB are gone……

              • cdub

                oh yes the endless rebuild…..5 years from now you’ll be typing the same thing with “insert new players ” that we drafted since then.

            • CJT

              twice the player?  He scored 12 points a game and 5 rebounds last year?  He has gotten progressively worse for the past 5 seasons WTF are you talking about?

        • boshrawr

          While I’ll admit he’s a defensive stopper, on offense the guy is a jack of all trades; I had him on my fantasy team, I know his production offensively, he hardly ever scores over the 20 point plateau. Only reason dude was an all star is because philly was a top team in the east and they had to nominate somebody. It’s not like you can say yeah they’re in that position because of him, it could have easily been and should have been josh smith. Defense only gets you so far man, you think if iggy was on our team last season instead of barg our win total would be plus what it was? I think you can make an argument for it, but I believe the latter. He’s not a guy that can carry a team he doesn’t have that drive. Our defense will improve we need to score consistently to win games so i honestly think people need to cit out the bargnani trade chatter he’s not going anywhere.

      • Mapko

        I re-iterated same point a tad “less eloquently”.

    • p00ka

      The beginning of the “yeah but, but” swarm of “I know how to do this the proper way” crowd.

    • John

      What a Load of … What has Iggy achived in Philly so far that he is going to be able to do it here with a weaker team :)

      • Nilanka15

        He fits Casey’s defensive mentality much more than Bargnani.

        • John

          so what ?? What has he done to show he is a winner ??!!

          • Nilanka15

            You can ask that question about everyone on our roster.

        • Thetruth

          Casey is great for Bargnani. He brought the best out of him last year and he will continue to demand more. Based on pure talent, I don’t think it’s debatable that Bargnani is better than Iggy. He just needs to be motivated by the proper coach. Casey is that coach. 

          Bargnani will be an All-Star next season. He should have been one this year but he went down with the calf injury.

          • Thetruth

            Let me correct myself by saying Bargnani COULD’VE been an All-star last season but went down with a calf injury. Admittedly, our record also could have prevented his selection.

            But I still bet money that Bargnani will be an All-Star next season over the likes of Luol Deng.

            • Nilanka15

              Even if Bargnani didn’t get hurt, he would’ve been a tough sell over Josh Smith.

              • Thetruth

                 I was thinking more about Bargnani over Luol Deng. And if the Raptors have a better record than the Hawks by the All-Star break, Bargnani should be selected ahead of JSmith.

            • Destro

              Bargnani will never be an all star in the NBA.

              • Matt52

                 Thank you, Madame Cleo.

                • Destro

                  After you see 7 yrs of a player you start to realize he is what he is Matthew…

      • DC

        Led his team to the playoffs. Which bargs has yet to do. fool

        • Thetruth

          Umm….did you forget the other 76ers players Iggy has on the roster. They had the best bench in the league in terms of point production. The Raptors never at any point in the last 2 seasons had the talent that Philly had on the court this year. And oh btw, a #8 seed in the East is nothing to be gushing over.

          • Destro

            Bargs also has other players on the roster whats ur point ?
            You see how this goes ?

        • CJT

          hahahahahaha.  Yes! great point. 

    • Copywryter

      Iggy had been slapped with that same tag for most of his career — until he adopted this elite defender thing (which I admit he deserves). But offensively he’s as enigmatic as they come with a shot selection that would make you wince.

      • Mapko

        And what do we need more of this year?
        Our D (even with severely shortened preseason) was respectable.
        I don’t see how trading a 20 PPG scorer (and have Ed or Amir start instead of Bargnani at half that) for a 13 PPG scorer -Iggy (solid on D, but replacing JJ or Kleiza -both 10,11 PPG scorers) is going to improve our situation.
        And, oh by the way makes few mill more (we have to amnesty & pay somebody).
        Not to mention this would leave us with what 5 SFs?

    • Thetruth

      Bargnani is way more valuable than Iggy. I don’t think this is even debatable. You need to watch a 76ers game. 

      • Destro

        Its very debateable because in fact its non sense IMO….Bargs has been the leading scorer on two 20 win last place teams….Wheres his value ?
        How many games does he win ? How many all star games has he played in ? How many bargs led teams have played in May ? Dude wouldnt be a top 20 rebounder amongst PGs…

        Iguodala has led his team to the playoffs and has been an all star….

        *Super Mario fall into a pit sound*

        • CJT

          What years were the Raps the worst team in the NBA?  Or the Eastern Conference for that matter?  With AB scoring 20 points for them?  You know you can look this stuff up on the web right?

          • Destro

            Im missing ur point here….last 2 years were right up there with there worst seasons…worst or 25th no difference…they sucked and he was there leading scorer,all he was nothing more….he aint no better talent..

            Guy gets alot of praise for being Shareef Abdur Rahim…

               

            • CJT

              Sorry I misunderstood your point.  I thought you said they were the worst team in the league.  I suppose there are 20 point scorers on most bad teams though, does that make them bad players?  I know what you are going to say about defense and rebounding and you are not wrong, but he does have value as a scorer.

        • Thetruth

           Your idea of Iguodala being the one who “led” the 76ers to the playoffs is very distorted…

          He’s a great defender but let’s look at some of the young talent on that roster and give them credit too. Their bench led the league in point production.

          Only a flat out superstar like LeBron or Kobe in his prime could lead the Raptors to the playoffs with the roster we’ve had over the last two seasons so it’s completely unfair to pin all the blame on Bargnani.

          Now back to the main point….if you want to compare player vs. player even though they play different positions…bargnani vs. iggy should not be a debate….bargnani is the better talent.

          • Destro

            I will never agree that a C who cant rebound or defend or take over games is the better talent…its a fools argument.

            • Thetruth

              Well, it’s hard to agree with someone when you never actually watch the games….You mistake lack of consistent effort on Bargnani’s part as lack of talent….Bargnani is very talented for a big man but he’s never been really held accountable and pushed hard….

              Casey did that last season and Bargnani showed great improvement on both ends of the floor…

              Now excuse me while I go watch Iguodala launch an indefensible 3 with 18 seconds left on the shot clock…

            • CJT

              how many C’s in the league take over games?  Of the one or two that can, just foul them and they lose the game because they shoot 40% from the line.

    • Mapko

      Impressed or amazed by his stupidity?

  • Kamran253

    The Raptors pick in the Kyle Lowry trade is only top 3 protected next year. But, if the Raptors make the playoffs the Raptors keep the pick then.

  • Thornbury

    Ok, I am very happy about how this all transpired, but, as a long suffering raptor fan I have learned not to get too happy when deals are first announced. When we all thought we were getting Chandler and Diaw and Barnes a couple summers ago I was pumped but we all know how that ended. Until Lowry is being verbally hand-jobbed by BC and Devlin at a presser on Raptors tv, my fragile psyche can’t believe it.

  • John

    Bayless, Calderon and now Lowery !! Is he going to keep all 3 ? I can not see him being able to trade Jose :)

    • sleepz

      Jose will have to go because Lowry didn’t like not getting his starting job back when he came back from injury for Houston so you had better believe he doesn’t anticipate playing behind Calderon.

      • CJT

        I don’t think he would anyway.  I think if they keep Jose, he comes off the bench with more limited minutes.  ETc.

  • kumarbrosyaman

    this is by far the best trade during BC tenure!
    lowry is a legit top 10 pg in the nba. from a team building perspective if you were to have an elite two-way player it has to be at the point.

    • Copywryter

      Kool-Aid. Lowry is not a top 10 pg. He’s slightly above average, which makes him top 15. He’s tough, yes, but also undersized and somewhat fragile. If he’s the number 1 going forward his higher turnover ratio and size problems will put pressure on our defence. The fact that he lost his job last year worries me.

      In terms of value he’s an amazing pickup. From a basketball perspective he’s at best a slight improvement.

      • p00ka

        Who are the 11-14 that are better?

        • Copywryter

          I said top 15, not 15th, but ok, here’s 15. Lowry isn’t even in the conversation until 11.

          Paul.Rose.
          Rondo.
          D-will.
          Westbrook.
          Parker
          Nash.
          Lawson.
          Irving.
          Curry. 
          Rubio. 
          Wall.
          Jennings.
          Lowry.Holiday

          • MJsmart

            Being a big lowry fan who watched him in houston and memphis, i ill tell you he is top 10 healthy.
            Paul
            Rose
            DWill
            Westbrook
            Parker
            Nash
            Lowry
            Lawson
            Curry
            Irving
            Wall
            Dragic
            Crap shoot after that: Rubio, Jennings, Holiday, etc.

            He is a tough player who can score, distribute, rebound excellent for a pg and defend well.  Not to mention a huge improvement in 3pt shooting, Raptors got a steal.

            • MJsmart

               Forgot to insert rondo in top 5, conley in jumble at back

          • p00ka

            Thank you for the reply. It’s a matter of opinion, but I think he’s in the discussion beginning at 8th. Even if 11th, I think it’s splitting hairs, for whatever reason I don’t know, to correct someone for saying he’s top 10, when you say he’s in the discussion at 11.

          • 300milesaway

            Holiday No
            Rubio No
            Jennings No
            Wall No
            Curry No
            Lawson debateable

            • Copywryter

              so then you had him at 11 and I had him at 14. Still not a top 10 guard. I might give you Jennings but not Rubio or Curry. Especially Rubio.

        • FLUXLAND

          Who are the 11-14 that are? 

          • FLUXLAND

            *sarcasm*

          • p00ka

            Whatever you said, thanks for your valuable contribution.

        • sleepz

          I’ll take a stab at it.

          Nash, D.Will, Irving, Rose, Rondo, Lawson, Parker, Westbrook, Rubio, Conley, Wall, Curry

          • p00ka

            That’s your opinion, and thanks. I think he’s in the discussion around 8th/9th.

          • Destro

            Conley ?

            • sleepz

              Conley is a defensive nusance.

              • Destro

                I dont think hes better than Lowry.

  • Destro

    If what im reading is correct i like the move…Nice upgrade at PG i believe a guy that can even push for an all star nod with mins and freedom…

    and as long as 1st picks are protected as i read it…1-3 next year 1-3 in 2014 and then 1 in 2015 i ok with it….i do think Wiggins is gonna be in the 2014 draft btw…

    I hope theres more deals to come…

    • Nilanka15

      With our logjams at SF and PF, there has to be more moves coming.  One of Bayless or Calderon is as good as gone too.

      The roster is far from complete.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      BOS
      NJ
      NY
      PHI
      TOR

      That being said Lowry is a step in the right direct at the point guard spot and should work well with DD & TRoss in my mind.

      There’s got to be more moves as Jose is still on the roster and we still need a  quality starting SF- amnesty?

      • John

        Damn, Amnesty Jose ?? Are you telling me BC is unable to trade an expiring contract for a very serviceable PG ??

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Time will tell….

  • drizz

    the forbes era is over.

    • arsenalist

      ROTD

    • Thetruth

      And much too long lasted it did. (Yoda Voice).

  • Ksayed445

    I like. I even think the Fields move is not bad since he is an elite rebounding three. With Lowry, JV, Amir, team is going to be tougher. Time will tell though if it’s enough for playoffs.

    • boshrawr

      ‘Playoffs?! We talking playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game.’ – Mike Mora Sr. I’d give it another year. Realistically I can see us in the hunt for the 8th, but that in itself is a gain.

    • Destro

      No he’s not…hes not an elite anything…

  • http://www.facebook.com/desilva11 Dustin Silver

    Unlike BCedmustgo, who thinks he’s a GM because he plays 2K all the time, I will admit I don’t know as much about the game as many of the people here. But I’ve been a diehard Raptors fan since the JYD days and I’ve been through this before (O’Neal, Turkoblu, etc.) and it never works, I’m always disappointed. I think the main reason is an average player on another team is seen as a guy who could turn the raptors around and the expectation are waaayyy out of proportion. I just hope people don’t assume this is a playoff team all of a sudden, defence wins championships but the object is still to put the ball in the hoop and I think the biggest deficit last year was offensive execution, which I understand can be turned around as a team grows but I just don’t see the offensive talent at ANY position to compete with the Atlantic division (yes Bargnani is an exception but until he puts together a full all-star caliber season I will always remember the Garbagni days of 2009, 2010, etc..

    Is Lowry really that much of an upgrade to Bayless? I’d say its pretty close (in my amatuer), of course I haven’t been following the rockets since never but from what I have seen the only thing he has an advantage in is Lowry is a great passer. I just love Bayless’s competitiveness I thought they should have gotten a 3 instead. Still anyone who rips this trade because we lost a pick, just be happy we have got an asset who doesn’t need 3-4 years to “maybe” develop the last thing we need is projects. Which reminds me is Valanciunas actually coming this year?? 

    • Nilanka15

      Yes, Jonas is 100% here next year.  He might even play on our summer league squad (if Lithuania shits themselves in qualifying).

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      STFU when grown folks are talking basketball……..

      • Lorenzo

        Lol you’re telling him this?

      • Copywryter

        I know this is asking too much but try not to be a jackass. 

    • Thetruth

      Bayless will be carrying Lowry’s bag to the team bus to and from games this season. It’s not even close as to who is the better player. Lowry could go down as the greatest PG in franchise history (yes, over mighty mouse lol).

      • Nilanka15

        There’s a lot of Alvin Williams in Lowry’s game (aside from their difference in size).

        • Destro

          No way,more dynamic scorer….i would say Raptor Damon Stoudamire….

        • sleepz

          Both went to ‘Nova

  • ASAM

    Im sorry everyone I can’t be optimistic about this one…after waking up this morning realizing that Landry Fields got a million more dollars than Michael Beasley on a 3-yr deal. 2nd round pick Fields vs. #2 overall pick Beasley. (who might avg 21+ next yr)

    • Nilanka15

      Their respective draft positions don’t mean anything today.  All it tells us that Beasley went too high, and that Fields went too low.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Beasley >> Fields

        • Nilanka15

          No arguments there.

        • CJT

          Beasley >> batshit crazy.

      • Destro

        Beasley didnt go too high…He was a 25/12 player at KSU and 1-2 best player in the country,that year i said best…

        • Nilanka15

          At the time, #2 overall was justified. 

          I just meant that by today’s production, Beasley is not worthy of a 2nd pick, and Fields is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

          The gap between these 2 players has narrowed since they were in college.

          • ASAM

            I think the point is that Beasley is easy more talented than fields. What Beasley got is about the right amount of money and length in his deal. He will be the best player on the suns next year (unless they get Gordon), he probably is the third or fourth best player on an contending team. Fields was the 9th best player on an 8th seed team that should have got swept. No one can convince me that fields is worth a million more than beasley, fields deserves 2/3 of what he got. You have to put this move on BCs head.

            • Nilanka15

              Agreed on the Fields contract. I’d prefer it be rescinded.

            • jjdynomite

              You don’t think the Heat could have used 2nd overall pick Beasley to augment their championship-caliber team? He is unfortunately a headcase with mental issues (not blaming him for mental illness, that’s just unfortunately his lot in life) and so is less than the sum of his parts, talent-wise, and thus is not the most compatible teammate. It’s too bad, but that’s what it is.

    • Thetruth

      Lowry is only making 12 million over the next 2 seasons. Dude probably has the best value contract in the league considering the bloated deals that Dragic and Lin received (I think Lowry is the best PG of the three by far). So basically, it balances out the horrid Fields deal.

    • Fresh_Prints

      Beasley is also nuts. Million dollar talent but two cent brain.
      It’s the JaVale McGee syndrome.
      Landry Fields has his head together and in sports professionalism is a currency.

      • Destro

        Nothing more than a media talking point with that professionalism shit…

        Hows Beas crazy tho ? Cuz he smokes weed ?

        • jjdynomite

          Beasley’s been diagnosed with depression (his substance abuse is a part of it) and has been dumped ceremoniously from two teams. He hasn’t figured it out yet — or gotten the help yet — to be a professional and a teammate, which detracts from his offensive skills and his $ value. He has also been a non-contributor defensively, which is a critical need from the SF spot.

        • fresh_prints

          Smoking weed when you have a multi-million dollar per year job that drug tests you isn’t crazy, it’s just stupid.
          To work on a team you need focus to win. Beasley is a talent but he brings a lot of drama. Professionalism wins games.

  • ckh26

    A question for the salary cap guys out there.. Is there enough room left to make
    an offer on Batum ?  Verbal diarrhea says it will take 50M as table
    stakes. Regardless if you like this move or not.. Can we do it under the current
    cap or who has to take the amnesty bullet ? 

    • Thetruth

      We would have to amnesty Calderon and trade Amir to another team without taking back any salary (or vice versa) in order to free up the cap space necessary to go after Batum and even then I don’t think we could give him $50 million.

      Unpopular opinion alert: I don’t think Batum is worth anywhere near $50 million but hey I’m not David Kahn.

      • Nilanka15

        He’s definitely not worth much, but hey, Fields isn’t worth his contract either 😉

        Gotta love free agency 😐

  • Angelo

    Great move for Raps.  Lowry is as good a young PG in this league.  We got him for a discount (if you look at this deal only) which is huge.

    Would love to know what Rockets offered on draft day for the #8 pick though.

    I know we have a need at SF, but this team will never win until it gets tougher in the paint and we are miles away from that.

    As an aside, we still have tons of flexibility, we could trade/amenesty Jose and sign another 10M player.  I just hope it’s a big man. 

  • Rapsilly

    The Jays have a scrappy little pit bull in Brett Lawrie. Now the Raps got a scrappy little pit bull in Kyle Lowry.

    Lawrie and Lowry…..Liking it in T.O….

  • Rapsilly

    I’m liking this guy. He eats popcorn.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqPetcJQdVw&feature=related

  • Timo in Waterloo

    Raps have five new bodies coming in so far… Valenciunis, Lowry, Ross, Acy and ( maybe) Fields… no need to add more… I believe the results from last year, and organic growth and improvement for DeRozen, Davis, Johnson, Johnson and Bargnani will show some improved results in the W column… remember how competitive they were in games this year, even though they lost… if this young crew follows Coach Casey and keep building, this team has a bright future…stay the course

    • Nilanka15

      We still have a gaping hole at SF, and 1 too many PGs and PFs. There is definitely more moves coming.

  • Jeffrey Thompson

    It will be certainly interested to see how all this plays out.  The Raptors already have Calderon and Bayless.  How is that going to affect team chemistry when you have three PGs that want to start? The reason why Lowry wanted to leave Houston in the first place was because he did not want to come of the bench.  Does this mean that Jose will be as good as gone too?

    I guess Houston is banking on keeping Jeremy Lin as they have a four year deal in place worth around 30$ million, but that’s not going to happen.  Thanks to the new provisions granted for teams to keep their own free agents and Lin being a restricted free agent, the Knicks will more than likely match the offer keeping him in NYC.  

    With no more PG, they’ll be forced to match Phoenix’s offer sheet to keep Goran Dragic in Houston because right now they have nothing at the PG spot.  Anyways, I’m getting off the subject.  Kudos to the Raptors and let’s hope for the best.

    • Ryan

      I don’t see how that means Jose, and not Bayless, will be gone? True that they all want to start, but Jose has been and will be an immaculate backup point guard. Bayless, on the other hand, has shown that he cannot play well as a backup and for some reason needs to start to be effective. Why not keep Calderon instead?

      • Nilanka15

        Calderon is likely more valuable on the market.

  • Destro

    Reading Morey’s rap sheet,hes Colangelo bad in terms of moves and signings….Hes made a complete debauchery of a position of strength he had in PGs…Now hes got ZERO and is looking at bringing back Aaron Brooks lol….Irony is he traded him to acquire Dragic now has allowed the Suns to sign him back and the brooks signing will give the Suns compensation in return….guys an idiot…

    • Lorenzo

      Kyle Lowry didn’t want to play in Houston anymore as he had issues with McHale. Ah, there’s a positive thing to say about Morey.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

    Why is everyone scared that this pick might be a top 5 selection. This Raps team will not be that bad. They certainly can’t be as bad as this year and they got 8th pick. I expect this team to be way better with a full training camp and now an actually PG who can play defense. Looking at our roster right now, we are pretty deep with above average talent but I still expect BC to make another move to fill that starting SF spot.
    PG: Lowry, Bayless, Calderon
    SG: Demar, Ross
    SF: JJ, Linas
    PF: Bargs, Davis
    C: Jonas, Amir

  • Kujo

     I like Lowry a lot.  Finally, BC makes a good move.