Kyle Lowry will be the starting point guard. JoVal will be the starting center. JoVal likes to run the pick ‘n roll. Kyle Lowry better know how to run the pick ‘n roll (and pop). Both major Raptors big men, Bargnani and JoVal, have been known to feed off this play. JoVal’s offensive game is predicated on rolling to the rim after setting screens near the elbow, and Bargnani’s outside shots have started to originate from being involved in the play, rather than spotting up. Calderon, despite his faults, has been an excellent pick ‘n roll player who has shown that he doesn’t need much time to adapt to his teammates and find out what makes them tick in these situations; Exhibit A is his understanding with Amir Johnson, and there are examples where he’s even blended well with scrubs like Aaron Gray.

Lowry’s introduction to the team will bring the defense and tenacity that has been lacking at the PG position, but he’s got some big shoes to fill in getting on the same page with his teammates, and running the pick ‘n roll goes a long way for that to happen. Not to mention that a point guard’s decision making, shot selection, is too often highlighted in these situations, and it is in these sequences that one forms a large part of their opinion of a player.

Let me ramble no more, here’s what he’s been upto:

As you can see, not surprisingly, he’s in the “PnR as ball handler” role a lot, so let’s take a look at a slice:

Thoughts:

  1. Oh boy, Landry Fields’ girlfriend is hot.
  2. The explosiveness is evident, he has that controlled burst that can break a possession open, but passing is rare.
  3. The shot selection at times makes you a little nervous, because every time a PG misses a step-back three he gets dirty looks from everyone on the court.
  4. You can tell that he’s exclusively looking for the foul on some of these possessions.
  5. Can get into trouble by doing too much, usually by thinking he can get past defenders who are well set.
  6. Doesn’t waste time initiating action, does whatever he has to do quickly, but again, passing is a bit rare.
  7. No hesitation on his drives and is not scared of contact, in fact, looks to initiate it with body.
  8. The vision when he’s deep into his drives is lacking, has trouble kicking back out of the paint.
  9. Couldn’t see any bounce passes in tight quarters, he’s going to be required to make those to our big men.
  10. Constantly surprises defenders with his burst, is comfortable going either way off high screen (prefers right)

I would’ve liked to have seen more passes in this video, and having watched the larger 1 hour video, it’s something that’s going to have to improve because he’s certainly a shoot-first guy. Again, how much of this is due to Houston’s offense and how much of it is Lowry himself remains to be seen.

  • rus

    Ah, reached the 3 minute mark and gave up, had yet to see a pass!
    TJ Ford anyone, …. gulp.

    • Theswirsky

      what I love about this statement is how it goes to what fans see, believe and remember vs what really happened.

      2006/07
      TJ Ford – assists per 36 9.5, assist% 44.8
      Jose Calderon – assists per 36 8.6, assist % 39.7

      2007/08
      TJ Ford – assist per 36 – 9.4, assist % 44.4
      Jose Calderon – assist per 36 – 9.8, assist % 42.3

      For perspective. From this year 
      Jose Calderon assist per 36 9.4, assist % 44.2
      Chris Paul assist per 36 9, assist % 43.8

      and since this is about Kyle Lowry
      assist per 36 7.4, assist % 32.3

      TJ Ford was in fact a very good passer and  distributer while with the Raptors. 

      • rus

        you got me, as I easily fall into revisionist history on this matter. I’ll be sure to check stats next time. I forgot how well TJ was at penetrating and kicking…and sometimes turning the ball over, which he did a lot more of than Jose…

        One question though, did you see Lowry effectively running the Pick n roll, because I saw a lot of , ‘hey, set a screen for me so I can drive and forget about passing to you’

        • Destro

          How many winning seasons did we have with jose running the point i ask you ??

          and dont tell me he had no teammates..IN 09-10 he had plenty of shooters and scorers…SO GWAN and TELL ME…

          • Thetruth

            Jose Calderon is still playing in the NBA….your boy Ford is no longer in the league….

            Guess no one wants a winning season with Ford.

            “GWAN and TELL ME”..Chill dude, unemployment cheque late again? chill..At the end of the day, that says more about your boy Ford then anything said on RR.

            • Destro

              Yes i guess you were asleep when he was injured by Horford..you know that spinal issue YEA had a lil (fingers an 8th of a millimeter apart) sumn to do with THAT…

          • rus

             you seem pretty upset with some sort of argument made up in your head, did I say Jose was better than TJ? Perhaps you assumed that I did when I said Jose turned the ball over less than TJ.

            TJ left on bad terms, I remember thinking he was selfish, and that blurred my memory of his play.
            I don’t particularly think Jose is that good btw. He does somethings well, but in other aspects he’s just plain bad.

            • Destro

              Not upset at all breh-ski
              Stop reaching for emotion behind text words…ol obi wan kenobi ass poster….

              • Ihatehaters

                BCStefanski… is that you, you mouth-breathing troglogyte?

        • Theswirsky

          didn’t really mean to get you just wanted to point out how often peoples memories fail them or they remember bits and peices of what really happened (both good and bad).  It always amazes me with regards to TJ just how much this is the case.  He ended his career (in the NBA and in Toronto) badly, but while he was here he was a very good PG.

          He definetely turned the ball over more than Jose, but thats not really a suprise as Jose consistently leads the league in assist to turnover ratio (I don’t know this for certain but I wouldn’t be suprised to see him among the best in NBA history).  TJ was around average, or a bit below, for turnovers

          as for Lowry I saw alot of that to in the video to… but a video like that is really only showing a relatively small sample of what he does.  His #s say he isn’t anything special as a passer, and his 42% shooting on the PnR isn’t inspiring.  (sure seems that he is best in transition and while offensive rebounding… two things Toronto doesn’t do much of any more).   

          • rus

             Good points all around, you me and everyone else is hoping this is a small sample of what he can do on offense. Training camp will be crucial.

            See Destro, two people having a mature discussion without needling each other needlessly.

            • Theswirsky

              I’m amazed so many people bother replying to him.  There a few peas in the same pod around here.  Destro, gots2go, AB37, p00ka… different perspectives, but same approach.  Trolling.

              Quick tip.  Not responding works wonders.  Yes hard to do as these guys really like to raise your ire… but worth it in the long run.

              • Lorenzo

                +100000000000

              • Destro

                Foh i never trolled here a day,i just give an opinion alot of folk dont wanna read…

                • Nilanka15

                  I would guess it’s the manner in which you present your opinion that some have issue with, not the opinion itself.

                  (Excluding fanboys of course.  Those guys are simply crazy)

                • Theswirsky

                  “the manner in which you present your opinion”

                  yep thats exactly it. 

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  You don’t like the manner in which he presents his opinion- tough luck grow the fuck up…

                  Because if you were talking face to face are going to tell him how to present his words thoughts to you?smdh lmfao

                • Ihatehaters

                  I’m confused… are you shaking your damn head, or laughing your ass off? Or, you just randomly type abbreviations without knowing what they mean?

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF KIDDO, LIFE WILL BE THAT MUCH SIMPLER FOR YOU…AND LESS CONFUSING…

                • Destro

                  Who gives a shit..if your that soft you take intangibles out of words rather than the message you should re evaluate posting and your masculinity….Dudes be all aggy in here if shit isnt in proper grammar form and doesnt offer them a friendly invitation to reply…

              • p00ka

                Awww, you sweet talker, you.

          • CJT

            I imagine, again not based on any advanced stats or anything, that guys like TJ and Lowry, maybe Rose do have higher turnover rates as a result of their speed?  Whereas Jose isn’t exactly super fast off the dribble.

      • Destro

        Dudes here are dishonest liars for the sake of there favourite players (euros) and its disgusting….

        Either you’re a liar or your memory sucks but TJ was a monster in 06-07 and nobody has played even close to that level since YEP including el matador….He dominated off the dribble….he broke dudes down and dished….I think that road game in POrtland that year was the only GW shot Bargs ever made in his career and guess who set the whole thing up with a tremendous drive and kick….

        These posters are disgusting… 

        • Thetruth

          You need to get a real job dude. It’s just basketball. “it’s disgusting” “these posters are disgusting” Sorry no one hear seems to agree with your worldview Kim Jung Un.

          • Thetruth

            *no one here………watch him hammer me on the spelling now. “it’s disgusting” you don’t know how to spell “disgusting”.

            • Thetruth

              If TJ Ford is as good as you claim he is, he would have gotten a starting job somewhere else in the NBA…especially on PG starved teams like Phoenix who are handing out monster contracts to players based on a 25 game sample.

              • Nilanka15

                I think TJ’s disappearance had more to do with his injuries.  He never quite found his game again after the Horford incident.

                • Thetruth

                  Fine, even if I agree with you on that point. His lack of durability has to factor into the equation when you’re talking about who is the better point guard between him and calderon.

                • Nilanka15

                  If we’re talking entire careers, then yes, Calderon is the obvious winner.

                  If we’re talking about each player in their respective primes, there’s a strong argument for both guys.

                • CJT

                  I remember being pretty excited when we traded Charlie V to the Bucks for him.  They were a very good tandem.  It’s too bad that Horford gooned him.

                • Destro

                  Fords injury was to his spinal cord,you cant simply factor in durability to that one cuz its not a common knee or ankle..he had his career cut short because of it…Doesnt change what i stated…

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  To which Sam was the only person to confront Horford on that play…reminiscent of CB getting the business from PPierce and Jose & company just looking around as nothing happened….

                • Ihatehaters

                  Agreed. Too bad Bosh didn’t have a couple of internet tough guys, like you and Destro, there to ‘bust a cap’.

              • Destro

                IM not claiming a thing,dont put words in my posts…I said he had the best season here of a Raptor PG that also garnered the most success as a team….

                • SPPROMOS

                  i agree with destro ford second best raptor pg ever after stoudimire…calderon is 3rd

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                TJ Ford was lucky to ever play basketball again after that Horford incident…..

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  All I can say is if this goes down-wow, NJ is going to be too legit……The Magic continue to move closer to trading Dwight Howard and the Nets appear to be the favorites.The Nets would receive Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark.Orlando would acquire Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, three first round picks and Luke Walton from Cleveland.The Cavaliers would acquire Quentin Richardson, Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries on a one-year deal, a first round pick and $3 million in cash from the Nets.Brooklyn is looking to trade MarShon Brooks for a first round pick to send to the Magic.Talks remain fluid and not expected to be completed on Monday.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  All I can say is if this goes down-wow, NJ is going to be too legit……The Magic continue to move closer to trading Dwight Howard and the Nets appear to be the favorites.The Nets would receive Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark.Orlando would acquire Brook Lopez, Damion James, Sheldon Williams, three first round picks and Luke Walton from Cleveland.The Cavaliers would acquire Quentin Richardson, Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries on a one-year deal, a first round pick and $3 million in cash from the Nets.Brooklyn is looking to trade MarShon Brooks for a first round pick to send to the Magic.Talks remain fluid and not expected to be completed on Monday.

                • CJT

                  you would’ve gone for the gym bag.

          • Destro

            Geeeees Louissssse sounds like YOU are upset….

            :) 

        • rus

           If you happened to run into Jose on the street, what would you do?

          • Destro

            Drive by him off the dribble…or ask him if he got any porn passes… 

            • mountio

              Now .. that was pretty funny ..

              Rus might have given you a softball .. but you took care of business and gave it a ride ..

              • rus

                 agreed, i put it on a tee for him, but he didn’t disappoint, well done

        • CJT

          I am not trying to start trouble, but you lie or exaggerate pretty frequently in your posts like the rest of us, when you are trying to make a point.  Like the other day when you said AB was a 20 point scorer for the last place team.  To which I asked you to tell me which years this happened and you couldn’t because it never has.  you then said something like ” I didn’t mean last place just that they were bad”  So does that make you a dishonest liar for the sake of players you don’t like?

    • Destro

      TJ Ford had the best season a PG ever had in this city and not surprising it was our most successful season since the Golden Era (Vince)

      2006-07  you mad ?

    • daxacer

       all i see are bad plays…. did his bizarro world agent make this video?

  • Alec Sudakov

    This is ridiculous. Thought I saw a pass once.. no it ended up a turnover

    And yet in highlight rolls it seemed like he was rather deferring to Scola Martin and rookie wings at times.

    Obvioulsy he gets his 6 assits a game NOT from picknroll situations, rather regular ball movement or drive and kick.

  • cesco

    I think BC better keep Jose and have him on the floor with Jonas . If Jonas start so should Jose .

  • Harry S. Truman

    He looked alarmingly Bayless-ish in these videos.

    Quick to the rim for sure, but seems to take a lot of deep jumpers for someone who couldn’t hit the ground with his hat. I can see now why McHale wasn’t a huge fan.

    …interesting…

    • Destro

      Bayless averaged 18 and 7 as a starter…

      I guess you werent watching tho….Not surprised,its what makes YOU a raptor fan…

      • RaptorFan

        Exactly….i’ve been saying this for some time….why give up on Bayless for a guy who’s 3 years older and cant shoot!???  it makes no sense…..

        • rus

           brittleness might have to do with it, dude can’t stay healthy

          • guest

            If I remember right Lowry missed a lot of time last season….bacterial infection, surgery etc.

            • RaptorFan

              +1

              thanks man….i was just about to reply with the same

              So is that a reason to get rid of a player? Injuries?? Doesn’t everyone get injured at some point? Jose has been injured often during his time with the raps…..Andrea *basically* missed the whole season last year….

              • Thrillho

                You gonna drop money on Greg Oden anytime soon?

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              You can tell who really follows, knows basketball and who is just fronting taking bits & pieces of news reports and running with it as self serving facts…….lol

              Bacterial infections are life threatening…..

              • guest

                He had a hernia too moron!

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  I was agreeing with you….lol

                • guest

                  Oops my bad.  I have a person on this board who is always disagreeing with everything I write.  I think he has made me a little testy. 

                • what the

                  you mean nolifeanka?

              • rus

                 your statement here and below don’t correspond nor make sense, even for a guy who clearly knows basketball like yourself.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  Let you tell it…

  • Boblawblaw

    After watching that video I’m not too sure the Raps have a chance at the playoffs.

    • sleepz

      The video to watch that would definitely confirm your notion would be highlights of Andrea and Demar.

      Lowry will make a big difference in improving the teams play next year.

      • cesco

         OK genius , so show the highlights of the games in Phoenix and Utah in January when Andrea scored 36 and 25 points and they won both . How come in the years when Bosh was the leader , they never won there .

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Bargnani is the leader of the Rap’s?lmfao

          No wonder they are so lethargic & half assed….

          CB4 >>> AB

          • cesco

             I never said Andrea is the current leader ( obviously he is their primary scoring option ) but I should have put the world leader between quotes when referring to Bosh , people would have then seen it as a sarcastic definition of Bosh , same as Mr MVP /franchise/max money are other sarcastic definitions .

            • cesco

               and I forgot Ru-Paul .

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                & NBA Champion…………

                And if you can’t see that he’s a significant part of the Big 3 in Miami (they missed him dearly when he was injured) then BC’s kool aid must be extra good- happy drinking…..lol

                • cesco

                  He is a significant part because you need at least 2 1/2 stars to win a championship or 3 stars if your team does not have an LBJ .

        • Nilanka15

          I’m sure those wins had just as much to do with Casey, than anyone else.

        • Destro

          Your really gonna use 2 games to make some sort of argument ?
          smh…

          • p00ka

            It’s a lot more than the 16 minutes of Lowry that was presented. Goes to show how skewed an opinion can be when based upon a small sample.

            • me

              like that 13 game thing a certain 6 year player had at the start of last season

              • p00ka

                You’re right in a sense. 13 games is too small a sample to anoint anyone to some sort of pedestal status, but 13 complete games is a f of a lot more to make some judgement on than 16 minutes of selected poor play, spread over gawd knows how many games.

                • me

                  you forgot about the 6 year part

        • Thrillho

          Bosh was never a leader. Being the best talent on a team doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the leader of it. Same with Bargs. But I agree Bargs was lights out in those games.

  • Nilanka15

    Can we stop referring to Valanciunas as “JoVal”?  It too closely resembles JaVale McGee, one of the biggest douches the NBA has ever produced.

    • me

      Quincy Jonas and Tiana Ross on the floor at the same time,i’ll be dancing to that beat.

  • Destro

    Whats funny is a 15 min clip clearly designed to shit on Lowry is used as device to show his deficiencies but we cant use our own eyes to be critical of Calderons GLARING deficiencies and lack of SWAG that weve witnessed here since 05….

    Sorry i dont need a 15 mins youtube vid i WATCHED that brasilian balding porn director PRETEND to be a starting POINT for 7 years…

    • Nilanka15

      Agreed.  The clip above should be taken with a grain of salt.  It’s not entirely indicative of Lowry’s abilities/inabilities.

    • arsenalist

      Sorry dude, I can’t post the 1 hour movie because that’s just too blatant of a copyright violation.  Just took a random sampling of it.  This wasn’t designed to “show his deficiencies” as I actually like the trade.

      I mean, I don’t mind getting shit on for posting stuff I write/show to this site, but sometimes people think that I have a personal agenda here, which I don’t.  

      • rus

         When I read your article (which I liked btw) I was under the impression Lowry ran the Pick n roll well.
        But when I watched it was a let down….
        What was your intention, it seems confusing?

        • arsenalist

          My intention is to present information, provide a take, and then let you decide what you think.

          • ghost

            The clip did seem to be very one dimensional….if you didn’t know anything at all about Lowry, you would think he’s Marcus Banks 2.0.

      • Destro

        Nothing to do with that dogg but present a unbiased piece dont slag the guy using a youtube clip…smh

    • Thetruth

      lack of swag lol? 

      Somebody get Nick Young on the line….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WASFAWUFRIT3ZOQZMJ6ZDW5HPU Matthew

    I watched 5min of the video and 2 plays impressed me:

    Both were made by goran dragic 

  • RaptorFan

    I watched the video and experienced nausea and regret for wasting my time watching this garbage….. This is the guy we gave up a first rounder in the next few years for??  This is the guy that (may’ve) forced us to dump Bayless due to salary cap issues??  Why didnt we just keep JB…..at least he could shoot….i saw more bricks in the first 5 minutes than at a construction site…..i saw more passes this morning on the highway’s fast lane in rush hour (IN RUSH HOUR!!)….sigh

    Now i remember why i wasnt really high on Lowry to begin with….. we should’ve kept our PG tandem (JC and JB)…..if healthy they werent the issue…..we could’ve used the $$ to overpay a SF…….(NOT named Landry Fields) LMAO

    • Destro

      Lowry is a clear upgrade over Calderon…I dont agree with cutting Bayless but im willing to see what else is on the horizon…

    • Pesterm1

      Might I sugguest you do your own research of players… there is a ton of real game footage on youtube for  lowry. i watched about 5 of them. (and no im not talking about a highlight reals. its actual game footage). lowry seems like a very good point gaurd. I couldnt help but smile at his spin moves. he clearly knows how to play.

      dry your tears little one,  You cant  watch one video where the point of the video was for “pick and roll/pop purpouses” and then freak out because shots were missed.

       so stop worrying so much. the sky IS NOT falling

    • ad

       Wow, someone knows how to overreact to 15 mins of footage showing lowry messing up. Every NBA player messes up, even lbj and durant. This video should have also shown the times lowry made a great play. Still think we got a very good player and possibly the best two way pg the raps have ever had.

  • voy

    so, Lowry to the Raps is going down, eh?  I guess I’m ok with it if we are only giving up Forbes and a first rounder thats lottery protected.  I wouldn’t mind rolling with Jose and Lowry, at first, and if Lowry meets expectations reduce Jose’s minutes as we shop him around.

    Landry Fields, I’m considerably less enthused about.  Seems like we overpayed for him when we already have DD and T.Ross at the 2.  I’m not opposed to upgrading DD but Landry is not that updrade.  If there is the consideration of playing Fields at the 3, I think I’d rather roll with James Johnson at less than 3 and 4 mill over the next two years and Kleiza at 4.6 mill for the next two years.  Obviously not an ideal sf situation when everyone is looking for stud wing players but in 2013/2014 if we maintain our financial cap flexibility we’ll have a lot of cash to go shopping.

    If we dont give up the farm for Lowry, I can understand the argument to bring him to the Raps.  I’m having difficulty understanding Fields at 20 mill for 3 years, though.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      BC is still pisssing on fans and calling it rainwater, shitting on fans and calling it Kobe steak…smh

      ADrummond or JoVal? Could have had both while trading away ABargnani now that’s a rebuild….

      Btw the pick isn’t fully Lottery protected only partially up until 2018 when Houston can take the pick wherever it lands….

      BC could have most likely received a 1st round pick or 2 on draft nite plus Lowry if he allowed Houston to move up to #8 as rumored in the media but instead he gives up a 1st round pick for a player that Houston was going to move regardless (McHale/Lowry issues).

      Fields is a SG/SF but not a starter and most definitely not worth 19 mil over 3 years (5,5,9)- another prime time example of BC fucking up cap space with a marginally talented player.

      Val
      Bargnani
      Fields
      DD
      Lowry

      how does that match up against:

      BOS
      NJ
      NJ
      PHI……..

      Both BC & Casey said this was a playoff year for Toronto in the Raptors pre season presser….yet top 3/4 slots in the Division are already out of reach- barring injuries..

      • voy

        I’m seriously hoping BC doesn’t take a page from the Toronto Maple Leafs and perpetually think they are close to winning by signing guys like 40 year old N.Americans or European dudes who are considered offensive players despite maxing out at 55 points a season. 

    • mountio

      Only problem is .. its not lottery protected .. its top 3 protected this year .. top 2 next year ..

      • Theswirsky

        it is lottery protected for Houston. 

        Houston gets the pick when its in the lottery.  (and like you said top 3 protected, and then top 2 etc aswell)

        • mountio

          Right.. lottery protected in the wrong way .. not a good thing for us!

          • Theswirsky

            nope not at all.

            • Theswirsky

              not at all good for us that is

          • p00ka

            Both sides are taking a gamble, and it could turn out to be good or bad for either one. Until we know what pick # goes to Houston and who they get for it, we have no idea whether it’s good or bad for us. In the meantime, we got a young and promising PG of the future, and two years to develop/evaluate him at a good price. What’s the better alternative that’s available? Tanking year after year and hoping for a miracle in the lottery?

      • voy

        oh. just back from vacation so still catching up. 

        wow. top 3 protected only.  sounds incredibly dangerous considering how shallow the raps are.  also I’m not sure you can count on Washington and a few others to be as crappy this year as they were last.

        this probably indicates that BC will probably hold on to calderon or at the very most trade him for a veteran not for another young player like I was hoping (if jose was traded).

        I’d totally love if we played out the rebuild one more year giving the young guys plenty of minutes and picking up another high draft pick next draft and then going shopping with all the cap space we’re gonna have.

        • mountio

          Yup – Im with you. Surprinsigly not many people around here feel too strongly about it. Yes, Lowry is a good pick up (with a great contract), but there are a whole slew of reasons why we might get a pick in the 4-7 range – which I would not like to give up as that could be a key piece for us. Do I think its likely? Probably not .. but it strikes me that a team in our position should be stockpiling picks as opposed to trading them.
          Even if this was top 7 or top 5 protected, Id feel a lot better..

          • sleepz

            They will. About all-star break the realizations of what the Raps truly are will start to materialize.

            They should have LEAST taken one more year to ‘rebuild’ and try and get a high pick.

            Next years draft is not full of stars but there will be key players that will thrive if added to a team like the Raps that lack high level talent.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Yeah because JBayless & Ed Davis really got alot of minutes last season to show what they could do…smh

          • voy

            yeah. I didn’t mean to express I thought the young guys got a lot of minutes last year. 

            I’m not a big fan of giving rookies a crapload of minutes when they are clearly not ready for primetime.  However I am a big proponent of giving young guys, with 3 or 4 years under their belt, given the effort is there,  25-30 minutes a game for half a year to see what they got.  Tell them “I know you are gonna make mistakes, but as long as you bust your balls hustling, learn from the mistakes, I’m gonna give you 30 minutes for 40 games if you want’em”.

    • sleepz

      There is no argument to bringing Fields in at that price.

      It was a shortsighted gamble BC made to try and stop the Knicks from doing sign and trade for  Nash and now it’s come back to square one in which he now has to honour the verbal agreement for a player that we all know is worth about 3 mil a year at best.

  • p00ka

    Wow, the judgements some are expressing based on a video of 1% of his playing time. If that 1% of his playing time is indicative of the rest of the original video, it would seem that the 4% (1 hour) of his playing time was selected to show a not complimentary view of him. It’s 1% folks! You can select 1% of anybody in the league and make them look bad. Anybody!! Just a suggestion: Wait until we see him with this team, and this coaching staff, before trashing the guy.

    Arse, you had to have seen what you were posting before you posted it. You had to know the kind of response it would get. What’s the point if you support the trade?

    • FLUXLAND

      pooka, old buddy, old pal, old chum, old compadre…what’s this? A non troll post from you?  I don’t wanna credit you as a troll only, ya know? : )

      “Wait until we see him with this team, and this coaching staff, before
      trashing the guy.” 

      (A first) Agreed. BUT! that doesn’t prevent anyone from holding an opinion (whatever it may be) and waiting for it to be proven right or wrong.  What’s everyone supposed to do? Ignore his previous performances? (whichever ones they may have seen) OR are you suggesting they should take them in and take a optimistic approach as he joins the Raps?  You wouldn’t be trying to tell people to think like you/have your approach, would you? Is this you educating the masses?

      • CJT

        I think as someone put it earlier in the thread.  do a little research of your own and come up with your own opinion either positive or negative.  Don’t assume that a clip that was added to illustrate a preceived weakness is factual and representative of the guys game.

      • p00ka

        I believe you claimed to not engage me first, in a thread that you engaged me first in (but that’s just details, eh?). Well, here you go again, but then bullshit comes much easier to you than control.

        That aside, big of you to say you agree with something I said, but I don’t get your purpose in the rest of that paragraph. Please tell me what is wrong with a suggestion to not make judgements on such an incredibly small, and obviously biased, body of work, that you should twist it around as you have. I didn’t tell anybody what they’re “supposed to do”. I didn’t tell anyone to “ignore” anything. I didn’t suggest “they should take them in and take a optimistic approach as he joins the Raps”. I didn’t try “to tell people to think like you/have your approach”.

        You’re imaginary interpretations are becoming legendary. I think I finally understand where you get this talent of yours in reading something different in what’s said, and even reading minds of players, coaches, management, and media. You’re from Venus, not Mars!

        • FLUXLAND

          LMAO. I engage you for once because you actually posted something about ball, but then as usual you went into your “no actual opinion, but educating the masses” form.  (If you were actually a teacher in any way, G-d help all those poor kids.)  Also, stop living in the past, just because I haven’t before (engaged you), doesn’t mean I won’t in the future. GASP! Imagine that. 

          You dense MF. I didn’t say you said those thing, stop being so defensive. *rattle rattle* lmao Those were questions, were they not?  Or are you twisting things around as usual? : )  My purposes are many, don’t you worry, carry on with your bad self.

          The point is this..who are you to judge how much footage one needs to formulate their opinion? How do you know their background or how much acumen they hold to suggest their opinion may be non well formed?  How do you know how much of said player they have seen in the past, yet using this clip to confirm their beliefs (whatever they may be).  How about you counter their points and dazzle us with your knowledge, the same knowledge you keep talking about as if you’re gonna say something people haven’t heard before or shatter the ball world with some groundbreaking basketball philosophy? I cannot wait, the anticipation is killing me.

          “Please tell me what is wrong with a suggestion” – remember you said that.

          Oh, please, the only one becoming a legend around here is you. And don’t kid yourself, you don’t understand anything at all, you have spent a little too much time around people who have been stroking your ego, it seems.

          “big of you to say you agree with something I said” – it’s all about feeding your ego, after all.

          Too much fun, Pooka, too much fun.  : )

          • p00ka

            Your panties are all twisted again, like your mind, little girl.

            • me

              keep it going guys my mom is here now.

            • FLUXLAND

              Yaaaawn!

              Wait, do you have any sources to back up that claim or are you talking out your big stinky assmouth again ?

              *rattle rattle* MF!  ..and the cage falls apart, exposing you for the clown you are. Now go change your handle again, CaseyDaMan, Raps4ever, Pooka, Rob, CJT, Buddahfan… who are you going to be next, I wonder.

              I believe this concludes our interaction, I’m done wasting my time with a f nobody.

              • p00ka

                lmfao again…. I got into your delusional mind more than I thought. Here I was only partly comparing you to the kid that keeps showing up as pooka_is_a_fish to attempt prodding me, but maybe you are him? Seems you see my ghost in at least 3 users that aren’t me, but considering your offensive and obnoxious attempts at bully tactics, I’m glad to have gotten far enough into your young mind that you’re spooked enough to see me where I’m not, multiple places.

              • Rob

                Paranoid personality disorder is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others.

                Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.

                Get help. Please.

              • CJT

                It just might be possible that there is more than one person on RR that disagrees with your excessively negative view point.  Even if you do attribute them all to Pooka to make yourself feel better.

    • Destro

      First pooka post that wasnt catty like a woman on her period..impressed.

    • Malefax

      I’m pretty sure the video was compiled from synergy clips of possessions Lowry used on the pick and roll. It includes shots and turnovers, but not assists. That’s why there are no assists in the videos. But it means the video doesn’t really give a good feel for what it would be like to watch him play the pick and roll, because passes are only included if they led to turnovers.

  • John

    All I know is that I am happy about signing Gray. After giving up on Bayless and his promising future, I was afraid that we will do the same with Gray. The guy is a Solid Back up centre, young and only can improve. I am sure many contenders were after him for their back up centre position. Nice job BC for locking Gray up for 2 years. signing of the of season …

    • me

      man get the floucck outa here! you and your fn aron gray.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Look how low BC has lowered expectations for some fans….conditioning medocrity as excellence- evil is good….lmfao

    • Destro

      this whole post is hilarious for the wrong reasons…

    • Destro

      LOL @ many contenders…..

      Some of you are like “birthers” you’ll never get it….

      • John

        I don’t know what you guys are talking about but you are blind if you think Gray is not a Solid back up Centre in this league. You add him to Ross coming off the bench, who is pretty much younger version of Wade and you can make some serious noise in Eastern conefernce.

        • Nilanka15

          I think you’re giving too much credit to a guy destined to play 15 mpg.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TRPH647AXY5T5XHXI2AFSG3XHA OvertheWall

    Now I know how biased media can be.  I was influenced by this video as well, even though I KNEW for a fact that Kyle was better than this, since I watched a lot of Houston ball.  But with this video, I thought he was worse than Bayless man!

    Anyways, even though you said you selected the clips randomly, how come there are NO passes at all?  That’s not very representative, is it?  He is definitely better passer and has more court vision than this.  So, I would not put too much emphasis on this post.  But wow, the power of media!  Be critical people.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    I love the TRoss draft pick but ADrummond, who looks to be a little bit taller than Kanter standing side by side, is the real deal…

    A Val/AD frontcourt now that’s a rebuild…..

    • cesco

      The famous twin towers ( one all-star , the other a former all-star ) miserably failed  but a rebuild with two unproven twin towers is the way to go ? I will suggest you don’t apply for BC job if he is ever let go as you hope .

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        That’s why it’s called a rebuild, a real one of 3-4 years not BC’s express pr spun version, Sherlock because you’re actually building on potential with young players…..

        I suggest you learn more about the game of basketball…….

        • cesco

           Do you know if any NBA champion started out with two rookies drafted 5th and lower ( in successive years ) . The last 4 champions ( Boston , LAL , Dallas and Miami ) DO NOT fill that bill and probably not one champion has ever done it that way , genius .

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            Who said anything about a NBA championship?smdh

            I said REBUILD……….comprehension is a mental extension…

    • me

      keep dreaming broken pasta is going nowhere cause he’s our best player he opens up the floor and you know the stuff Cesco says

      • cesco

         Exactly , you need at least one player to open the floor . The Raps do not even have one good winger that can shoot the threes , lol .

    • raptors

      you would take drummond over Tross is that what ur saying? i remember on draft day you had lillard 1st, and Tross 2nd on players who u would target with the 8th pick. why the hate on ross man

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Because I thought ADrummond would be gone by the 8th pick…….lol

        Hate on Ross? I actually know TRoss………

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!
    • Seeten

       I’d rather have Fields. He’s slightly overpriced, but his win shares were a pretty decent .170 with 6.7 wins compared .143 with 3.0 wins for Novak, and the two year sample shows an even better previous year for Fields, at a star level win share. Bargnani has never come near a .170 win share, for comparison. Only Calderon posts similar win shares.

      Lowry has significantly good advanced metrics, also, if we’re keeping score. Lowry was worth 6 wins last year, Calderon 8 and Fields almost 7. It almost seems like Colangelo is using advanced stats for some of these decisions.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Marcus Camby and the Knicks have reached agreement on a contract that will pay him $13.2 million over the next three seasons.Camby was traded by the Knicks to Denver in 2002.The Rockets agreed to a sign-and-trade for Camby, acquiring Toney Douglas, Josh Harrelson, Jerome Jordan and second round picks in 2014 and 2015. New York will pay the salary of Douglas for the 12-13 season.

        • Seeten

           Camby is a GREAT value pick, but not sure he’s great on the Knicks, where they already have Tyson Chandler, Amar’e and Melo in the frontcourt.

          • Seeten

             I guess it keeps him off the Rival Celtics and especially off the Heat. He’da been a monster on the Heat.

            • Rob

              I’d say so. 38 years old, hard to believe he’s been productive for so long, especially given his grueling position. Still rebounds and blocks shots at a decent clip, good player.

              The offseason of older veterans really, Kidd, Nash, Garnett, Camby, Ray Allen, all getting 3 year deals. A combined 188 years old on opening night. lol

              • CJT

                It seems oddly that he has gotten more durable as he ages, didn’t they used to call him glassman or something cause he was always broken?

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Danny Green has agreed to a three-year, $12 million deal with the Spurs.Green was the 46th overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft with the Cavaliers.

      • John

        That is too much for Green. When Fileds is going for 3 year 20 million, Green should be at least half of that !!! Spurs paid too much …

  • Guest

    These discussions are going back to the days of the Multipaul and Tim W conflicts.

  • nba_socrates

    Lowry will start games but calderon will finish the games, and soon he’ll be starting again and lowry will be sulking on the bench, mark my words

  • KJM

    He doesn’t run his man into the big well at all. The s/r needs to take the guard out of the play and force a switch. The guard is recovering in these plays. Eeek!