John Lucas signs with Toronto Raptors

OK, how do I make this interesting. How about we swing it this way: Does signing John Lucas open the door for a Jose trade? No. Well, maybe, but nobody can be bothered to look into this any further than the Raptors signing a third string point guard as insurance to injury. Lucas is the son of John Lucas the coach, who also had a brief stint as a consultant with the Raptors working with T.J Ford.

Lucas the point guard had a cup of coffee with Houston after being drafted in 2005, before leaving for Europe and the Italian league. Last year in Chicago he backed up Derrick Rose (who doesn’t leave many minutes for his backups), and now he’s in Toronto on undisclosed terms. The Raptors had to wait until James Johnson’s $2.8M were cleared in the Sacramento trade before making this signing, so I’ll presume that it’s around the same money (Update: It’s apparently $1.5M).

What this signing does is give Casey another shooting option as Lucas is a career 39% three-point sniper. You can now see how this team is shaping up to be – agile defensively on the perimeter, and mobile big men who can cover ground in the middle, with Jonas obviously a big part of that. The Raptors now have some options in terms of how they want to play. There’s always a pick ‘n roll game with Valanciunas, you can go through Bargnani isolations, Lowry’s burst at the point will always present some options, DeRozan should be a bigger threat as an off-the-ball player and initiator, and supplying the outside artillery are Ross, Fields, Calderon, and Lucas. It’s not exactly high-caliber offensive, but at least there’s a method to the madness and something that resembles a plan.

Another positive here is that the Raptors aren’t burgeoned with massive unreasonable contracts. Given the money that’s been thrown around at Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin, Amir Johnson’s got quite a reasonable deal that extends to 2014/15; Kleiza has a player option of $4.6M the year after next, but that can be amnestied after he helps Jonas settle in, Calderon has value and is expiring, which means that Andrea Bargnani’s $33M owed over three years is the only major contract. The Raptors have a year to see what they want to do with DeRozan: if it works out, great, if not, then we hopefully have Ross who is at least physically a comparable player.

The poison pill signing of Fields is the only questionable move of the summer, largely because it was done to lure Nash and is now being framed as a strategy. I can swallow that, though, all he has to do is return to his rookie-year form. Besides that, the summer has been pretty much as one would have hoped. The biggest thorn for me is winning those meaningless games, because if Harrison Barnes proves the doubters wrong, I’m going to hate my life. Otherwise, the Raptors have addressed the point guard position (which this site has been begging them to address for years now), they’ve added cheap outside shooting, and have made measures to improve defensively.

As much as we all hope for home runs in the draft and free-agency, considering the realities of being the Toronto Raptors and the mess that Colangelo has put this franchise in, he’s done a commendable job of taking the right steps forward. He’s still in the hole big time for his time in Toronto, but at least he’s learning and finally doing something right. Maybe it’s Stefanski’s influence or maybe it’s Casey push, probably a bit of both with a touch of on-the-job training.

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    As per today, BC has a deep roster with the best PG duo combination (KL and JC) in the East. Calderon contract by february will be a “key factor” to obtain the “all star”  player(via trade)  to pass the POfirst round.

    • Copywryter

      Pass the first round of the playoffs? No. Making them would be an accomplishment.

    • Destro

      You are not getting an all star for Jose and i dont think you can keep him around for that long…

  • Matt52

    Mark Deeks who runs ShamSports.com tweeted that Lucas’ deal was 2 years at $1.5M per season with the 2nd year a team option.  He is usually quite reliable when it comes to contract details.

    • Arsenalist

      Thanks, updated the post.

  • Nilanka15

    I’d be more excited if we signed George Lucas….

  • 511

    I kind of like Colangelo. I’ve wondered about that because “considering the realities of being the Toronto Raptors and the mess that Colangelo has put this franchise in …” is a statement that is just not deniable that I can see. So maybe it’s the human imperfections that we’ve lived through with him that give him (for me) those sometimes alarming jagged edges that he has then gone all out – at various times – to correct, in himself and his team, that makes him interesting (again, to me) as the overall team-boss. It’s been a ride that we’ve shared with him, at any rate. 

    Here’s hoping the “on-the-job training” begins to bear fruit starting this season. With the new players that’ll be here and Casey’s continued guidance on the floor, I’m (reeeally) looking forward to this season. I probably can’t help being optimistic about it all, in truth. It’s a DNA thing. Raptors are our team and … that’s just a part of it for me. But THIS year (and yes, I’ve probably felt a bit of this every year at around this time, lol) I think we have more to be feeling optimistically-curious about, regarding what we have here. It’s a whole new ballgame, once again. But this time around, we might have enough honest-to-gosh burgeoning (at various stages) talent, along with some real confidence in the coach that the players can feel settled about. So I’m ready. Bring it on. Go Raps. 

  • Johnny

    I just want to flag one thing about Landry Fields, and maybe Liston can take a look with a stat article, but the drop in his FT% from his rookie year to his sophmore year is a huge concern, and to my mind speaks to his work ethic and concentration. Being paired with Melo might hurt other stat categories, but nothing explains his huge 20% drop in FT% (Rookie year: 77%, 2nd year: 56% – that is crazy).

    • Nilanka15

      I think the drop had a lot to do with his drop in confidence too

  • GermanRaptor

    http://www.red94.net/goran-dragic-kyle-lowry-epilogue/9908/
    ^^Great article from Houston’s perspective about Lowry. I can’t wait to see him play at ACC!

    • Matt52

       Very, very nice find.  Thanks for sharing.

    • L.A. Raps Fan

      Apparently it’s not only in Raptorland that the new look team is considered a potential playoff threat.

  • Max

    I suggest that, unless you are the one paying Landry Fields, that no more complaining be done about his contract.

    • dribbles

      I see people write this nonsense all over the place. The Raps aren’t a team that pays the luxury tax, so there’s an absolute limit on how much they can spend on players. The overpayment for Fields means BC is much more limited in signing other players. If you think that money could have been much better spent elsewhere and you’re a fan of this team, you can complain away about the contract…it’s not rocket science.

      • p00ka

        Where do you feel it could have been better spent? On who that was possible?

        • Afimi Sinting

          So because we have money to spend, we must spend it? and not only that we spent it on a bum like Landry…what no defencive player in the DL? POOKIE your telling me that Landry is the best we could get with the Chandler money.   

          • p00ka

            “your telling me that……”

            Getting your lines from FAQ? I wasn’t telling you anything. I was asking “dribbles” to explain his/her implication thinking the money could have been better spent elsewhere, as it was worded, not imagined nor invented

            • Destro

              You dont overspend on a 6th man because NOBODY was available….terrible logic.

              • p00ka

                And not one that I, or anyone, suggested. Don’t let that stop you from participating in your own imaginary discussion though.

  • j bean

    The way Lucas filled in as a starter last year he could earn more court time than a typical 3rd string pg. 

  • MT

    Wasn’t CJ Watson Rose’s Back-up in Chicago?  JL III was the third string there until Rose got hurt that he became the band back-up to Watson.

    • j bean

      Lucas had a couple of starts and had 24 in a big game against the Heat. Lots of talk that he should have been kept as the back up instead of Watson.

  • tmk

    I’m assuming that Lucas is there in case Calderon gets traded. Perhaps BC is waiting until somewhere around the All-Star break next season to test Calderon’s value both to the team and to other teams. If he proves very valuable, is helping us fight for an 8th seed, then we’d keep him. If the team is struggling, back in the lottery hunt, then hopefully Lucas would’ve shown some capability of handling the backup position for the rest of the season and Calderon gets traded. 

    Both ways, I do think that this would be the best case scenario as trading away Calderon before the season starts wouldn’t really be a good idea as can’t see Lucas as a full-time backup.

  • Daniel

    We may have a PG controversy on our hands, we replaced JJ with Fields, we added 2 rookies to the rotation. We still don’t have starter caliber players at SF,SG and C. Last season was a weird one with a lot of teams “taking it easy”, hoping to better position themselves for a supposedly deep draft. The next season almost all the teams will go all in, at least at the beginning of the season. We’ll have 25-30 wins, good for 11-14 in the East. We are at the same level as Detroit, Wizards and the Bucks and better than Charlotte, who still beat us twice last season though. Casey will crash down to earth Kevin O’Neill style: all defence and no offense is no better than the alternative.  By the trade deadline we’ll  be desperate for some offensive players so we’ll have to make a desperate move. Luckily by the end of the season Colangelo will be shown the door.
    I can’t believe I’m typing this as I don’t think there were more excited people than I in 2006 when Colangelo was signed by us. I liked almost all his moves, including drafting Andrea and it all came together the first year. Then everything had been a slow-motion train wreck, paced by hype at the beginning of each season and dissapointment at its end, year after year. This season is no different. In the meantime the Net and the Wizards are getting much better in one off-season, the Celtics, the Hawks, the Knicks, the Phillies, the Pacers are re-tooling at a high level. Even the lowly Bobcats are doing a proper rebuild. I feel we are in the same wilderness as between 2002-2006 so we need a fresh start from top to bottom. It’s very depressing to be a sports fan of Toronto teams nowadays.

    • CJT

      It sounds like you live in one of Desto’s rental properties.  Pretty bleak. 

      • Brain Colangelo

        Destro is a slumlord?

        • CJT

          That’s what he claims. 

          • Brain Colangelo

            I don’t believe it. Writes like a teenager.

            • CJT

              Well, that is true.  He said he had two properties.  I should have asked if it was his mom’s and dad’s houses.

              • Destro

                You internet geeks are sumn else…Sitting here in this forum having a convo about another posters personal business….epitome of female tendencies…

                and yes i have a condo and i i have 2 rental properties in the city i co share with a relative

                YOU mad ?

    • Youngfresh2_Def

      I hear that man i agree with everything youre saying..except I’ve put myself in BCs shoes once or twice since he got here and i cant imagine he finds it as easy to sign (or even resign) big talent to the raptors as a new jersey or a new york GM would… which i cant understand why.. cause i live in toronto and frankly its a lot nicer than many of its southern counterparts.. so i cut him a little slack..  i think we should all write our articles about BC at the begining of the season and say what we need to say and then at the end of the season we can all say whether WE were right or wrong cause ive been on this site for a while and i remember many seasons where in the summer time fans would be head over heels with excitement for the coming season and then as the season kinda spiraled into crap-dome we all picked up our pitch forkes and torches and headed to BC office… like when we had JO and bosh.. i for one thought we were gonna be sick that year.. and we werent.. same with Hedo and jarret jack and that fiasco.. i dont think we should blame bc for players not fulfiling promises or living up to potential cause WHAT OTHER GM has brought so much “talent” to toronto in their tenure? hedo, bargs, JO, JJ, barbosa, marion??.. i mean lets not kid ourselves we lucked out by getting a GM like him to agree to come to toronto lets keep it real guys

      • Daniel

        I don’t believe in post-factum evaluations. True assessments are done at the time of the decision otherwise it’s all hindsight. For a few years I had been guilty of the same thing as you described: I believed the hype and I closed my ears to everything that contradicted the accepted version. In all reality, I don’t like bitter people and I like to be optimistic about my favorite things in life (in other words, I don’t like to be Fluxland, FAQ, and the sorts…bitter and condescendent). The experience of the last years re-taught me to apply criticism to everything Raptors. I shut down the hype before the season and I’m trying to be realistic about the likelihood of success for our moves. |In a sense it sucks because it kills the hope and excitement related to the start of a new season. I hope I’m wrong this season, as every other season, however in the last 2 seasons I predicted almost perfectly the number of wins within 3.
        Now I realize that BC had been all hype from the beginning and that his father must have had the biggest influence in Phoenix. He is an what’s known in the business world as an empty business suit, all words and no results.

        • CJT

          Hey Daniel, I don’t think there was any hype or unrealistic expectations placed on last years team.  I absolutely agree that BC has tried to improve the team in years past and it hasn’t worked out at all.  It is hard to feel good about that as a fan, but I would rather have a GM that takes chances trying to improve the team than one who doesn’t. 

          I thought that if anything last years team over produced for the expectations that were set out at the beginning of the year.  Significant defensive improvement and hopfully a culture change that will carry over to this years team.

          I don’t think that the moves this offseason were spectacular, but I do think that they were talent upgrades to last years team.  The expectation this season is to contend for a playoff spot.  I don’t think that is unreasonable.  I don’t know if that seems like hype to you or not but that is my take on this years team. 

          • Daniel

            Last off-season Colangelo declared publicly that success would be 29-30 wins (in a 66 games season).  We failed based on his own standards.
            Every GM tries to improve their team. Their job depends on that. The difference between GM’s is in their degree of success.
            I wouldn’t define last season as over reaching. We won games with D-Leaguers because other teams were in tank mode. It is very hard to get a true evaluation of last season’s given that it was shortened and teams re-calibrated their expectations based on understanding the new CBA.
            In my opinion we have not upgraded the team in terms of talent one bit. We may have struck gold with Jonas and/or Ross however every team has the same expectations before their rookies start proving themselves on the court. The rookies’ impact is unknown for a good 2-3 years. Barring injuries or other dramatic moves we stand no chance at play-offs: Miami, Chicago, Indiana, Boston, Knicks, Nets, Philly, Orlando, and Atlanta are definitely better than us. I believe the Bucks, the Wizards and the Cavs will have better records than us however it is not guaranteed.

            • CJT

              I respect your opinion, but am certainly more optimistic this year than last.  I think JV will be better than anyone currently on the roster at the C and that is an upgrade.  I feel like he has much more experience than the kids coming out of college and hopefully that will translate to the court.

               Even if he is unhappy with a back up role, the PG team of KL and JC is very strong, and much better than last years options. 

              I don’t have any expectations for Ross this year, so if he can contribute I will be pleased.  There are those who argue that Fields is an upgrade over JJ, I am waiting to see how that pans out, but I think as a two way player he will bring more to the team so again I consider that an upgrade. 

            • p00ka

              Colangelo never spoke of 29-30 wins last year as a any kind of goal.

        • Theswirsky

          “I don’t believe in post-factum evaluations. True assessments are done at the time of the decision otherwise it’s all hindsight.”

          While I may not be very partial to how Fluxland and FAQ may approach their discussion either, I’d mention that any talk about post-factum evaluations (whether useful or not) that included those two should also include how over the years they have been pretty accurate with their predictions, atleast in the macro sense. There is no shortage of times they said the way this team was being built was going no where fast. 4 to 5 years later here we are with the team selling hope that it can finally breach the playoff barrier.

          Every single move thats been made, from the major ones to the minor ones, is discussed and debated and I’m not sure a single one was even close to being universally accepted as a good move (perhaps Bosh extending his rookie deal). Often I read people mentioning previous moves and how ‘at the time it was a good idea’, yet there was no shortage of people who ‘at the time’ thought it was a bad idea aswell. Ofcourse those who ‘at the time’ thought it was a bad idea are the ones using hindsight if its revisited, which is viewed as unacceptable.

          The ‘your using hindsight’ excuse is too often used as a crutch for people who either agreed with moves that turned out to be not as good as they thought or for people who think it will be different this time. There is no reason why we shouldn’t use what we do know has happened to help us better predict or understand what we think will happen.

          We’ve all been wrong more than a few times in the past, and we’ll all be wrong more than a few times in the future. If we don’t use hindsight to help us judge whats happening, all we are doing is just randomly guessing.

          I also want to disagree with you on something. BC is hardly an empty suit. Rather he fills a business suit rather well. Thats the problem. It may not lead to the success we want to see on the floor, but it sure leads to the success MLSE and its shareholders want to see on the income statement. He’s the proverbial snake oil salesman, yet people just can’t help but buy what he’s selling every single time.   Nothing is better than the BC fan boy who doesn’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth, yet still believes in him and what he’s done and will defend him when even the slightest remark towards him could be seen as disparaging.  When you can sell pinto for the price of a Ferrari and your customer not only come back, but are excited about it.  Your business creditentials shouldn’t be questioned.  Your customers sanity should be.

          • CJT

            Some great points made here.  How many teams in the same time frame that we are discussion can really say that their fortunes have changed all that much?  There are a select few teams that can realistically compete each year for a title and the rest of us look for something that will help us improve in little increments, until we somehow land our franchise guy.  (Unfortunately our future franchise guys wants to take the vet minimum to play in Miami, L.A. or Boston)

            • Theswirsky

              “improve in little increments, until we somehow land our franchise guy.”

              Maybe I’d ask the question, how many times do teams improve by little increments and then somehow land their franchise guy?  Most of the time we see a team (that isn’t a top destination ofcourse) have to get bad (and usually really bad) before they become incredibly good.  Even Boston, often viewed as a top market, spent years in the hole until they had resources to trade for top players.

              How do teams become contenders?:

              #1 – have a franchise calibre player who you build around. 
              #2 – hope you can repeat the once in a generation Detroit Pistons

              How do teams do #1?

              A – be a large attractive market
              B – draft them

              Here we are in Toronto, without a franchise player, that, while a large market, is clearly hasn’t been attractive.  With a team that will likely be outside the realm of drafting near the top and even if they aren’t (ie. things go terribly bad) their next lottery pick has probably been traded anyways (top 3 and reducing protected).

              Looking at how Colangelo has gone about building this team I can’t help but think that he missed his opportunity 3 times now to atleast be in the dissucission to reasonable acheive a franchise player (Using the #1 mistakingly, not moving Bosh and starting a rebuild in 2008 or 09, and now not seeing the rebuild through).  Rather its become a consistent attempt just to tap into the ever profitable playoff sales.  

              The amazing thing is that he’s done such a bad job even achieving that, he’s set the bar is so low that if he does it this year its seen as a success!

              • CJT

                I can certainly see why you have that opinion.  I agree with much of what you say.

                • CJT

                  But I also believe that the best way to start attracting top F.A. talent is to continually improve the roster.  If the team starts winning I think better players will consider us.

              • Thetruth


                hink that he missed his opportunity 3 times now to atleast be in the dissucission to reasonable acheive a franchise player”

                This is a load of garbage. When did he pass an opportunity to land a franchise player? You think some team was going to give up a franchise player for Chris freaking Bosh at the trade deadline of the final year of his contract? They wouldn’t even give up an all-star much less a franchise player.

                When are the other two times you big whiny rambler? Tanking doesn’t always lead to the number 1 overall pick…look at charlotte this year for instance.  Be a little positive in your outlook and give credit where credit is due. Lowry is a GREAT ADDITION to our team and a complete STEAL for what we sacrificed to land him. Not to mention the fact that he is criminally underpaid. Valanciunas has all-star potential written all over him. We basically got young dynamic exciting potential all-star pieces at the two hardest positions in the NBA: PG and C. Yet you still whine whine whine….honestly, I can’t even finish reading your post before i feel like bashing my head on the side of a brick wall…CHEER UP!

                • Copywryter

                  Wise up. Just because the truth is gloomy doesn’t make him less right.

                • Thetruth

                  Only an idiot would call the addition of Jonas Valanciunas, Kyle Lowry, and Terrence Ross to a young core of Bargnani and Derozan coached by a fantastic coach in Dwane Casey “gloomy”. Only an idiot would not recognize the improvements we’ve made in our rebuilding over the summer while also maintaining our cap flexibility. 

                • CJT

                  I think just because his outlook is gloomy doesn’t make his opinions and beliefs less valid.  His opinion is not necessarily the truth, simply because you agree with it. 

          • Daniel

            I’m not so sure the income statement has been in good shape the last 2 years for the Raptors. Anselmi from MLSE had been pretty vocal about his displeasure with Colangelo’s tenure.Basketball doesn’t have the same cache in Toronto than hockey so success on the court is more important to the Raptors than to the Leafs.
            I’m a pretty good example of that. I used to buy at least 10 games a season for my family (3 people). The last 2 seasons I refused to go to any game precisely because I wanted to put my money where my mouth was. It’s been hard because I love basketball and I have a few teams in the NBA that I like however I know that every dollar I spent at ACC extends the management style of the current brass. Luckily I have the income to afford even season tickets if the product on the floor warrants it. I do like Casey and the idea of the culture change however at this point I’m in a wait and see mode.

            • Theswirsky

              after the 2010/11 season, where the Raps finished 28th in the league, they were the 6th most profitable team.  One of the few that turned a profit.  Not only that they did that while having one of the top payrolls in the league. 

              This past season I’m not sure where their profitably landed them, and the Raps did cut their ticket prices.   But at the same time they cut their salary and saw an increase in ticket sales.  I would be shocked if they didn’t turn a profit again this past season.

              Basketball may not be hockey, but fans still turn out.  And even when their attendance is in the bottom half of the league, the fans that do come are still willing to pay a premium price to watch.

              Since the inception of the Toronto Raptors, the team consistently has a top 10 team in attendance (not every year but most years), with one of the more expensive ticket prices, all this with one of the worst records in the NBA over that same time period. 

              The reality of Toronto is its a large and wealthy city.  That means alot of fans with disposable income (as your statement indicates).  Unfortunately there are too many fans/customers who aren’t like you and are willing to use their best means of effecting change (ie. their pocket book).  Rather they get excited about the season and the future because Colangelo (or Burke or whoever) tells them to so they go out and buy.   

              In all honesty I see no reason why Colangelo or MLSE would want to change what their doing.  Its been a cash cow.  The Raptors, the Leafs and even Toronto FC (one of the top valued MLS teams and one that has been consistently profitable) continue to run in the black all while having some of the worst records in their respective leagues.  

              Its a great example of how the market demographics has a bigger impact in a teams profitability than winning.

              • CJT

                I suppose it also depends on what you are looking for out of the games.  Entertaining clients doesn’t require a winning team.  Some people love the game and want to see it played at the NBA level live.  Some people are looking for the team to compete nightly regardless of outcome and some what to compete and win titles.  Many different motives for going to see the games live. 

              • Thetruth

                Again. More whining. Here’s a clue for you Einstein: EVERY team in the NBA is concerned about profitability, it’s why we had the lockout for heaven’s sake! Caring about the profitability of your franchise doesn’t mean you don’t care about contending for a title. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive. 

          • FLUXLAND

            Respect.

            • FAQ

              +3.14159 26535 89793 23846 … … … …

          • JPA

            lol “pretty accurate with their predictions” ……if you predict it’ll rain everyday for the rest of the year you are bound to be right a percentage of the time. dumb queer

          • Thetruth

            Kyle Lowry will be the best Point Guard in franchise history. Jonas Valanciunas will be the best Center in franchise history. That is called improvement. 

            • Theswirsky

              first off no one is questioning whether this team is ‘improved’ or not.  Besides improving on losing isn’t exactly an accomplishment.  The bigger question is was it worth even trying to improve rather than continue the rebuild.

              Secondly, Jonas has no competition for becoming the best C in Raps history as this teams best real Cs so far is a toss up between Rasho and Kevin Willis.  This teams best Cs to date have been PFs (Antonio Davis and Bosh)

              As for Lowry he may end up being this teams best PG, but he has a long way to go in that regard between Jose, TJ, Alvin and Damon.  Ofcourse I fully expect 3 games into the season people will make up their decision in that regard (one way or another), and raw scoring will be the deciding factor anyways.

              • Thetruth

                You are beyond negative. “Was it worth trying to improve improve rather than continue the rebuild?” what are you talking about? this is the continuation of the rebuild. It’s the next logical step. I don’t see how you could bash Colangelo bringing in an 8th pick, a 26 year old rising star in Lowry, and a 24 year old fields. That is part of the rebuilding process. We still have valuable cap space remaining for next season as well. And the one important thing lost in all your negative drivel is that there is a new CBA so the approach to build a contender has now changed, see Cuban, Mark.

                • Theswirsky

                  yep and the new CBA clearly implies you can build a contender without a franchise calibre player….

                  …. oh wait….

                  see Cuban, Mark

                • Thetruth

                  Your response makes no sense. First of all, Mark Cuban has Dirk Nowitzki so whatever dumb point your trying to make is not valid. Second, stop obsessing over “Franchise calibre” talent because even if you have “franchise calibre” talent who is to say that player won’t turn out to be an egomaniac a la dwight howard? or  a black hole like Carmelo? or a complete total nutjob like Demarcus Cousins? 

                  The point that I’m trying to make here is stop your whining over pointless crap like and recognize that we made some great improvements to the roster this summer without sacrificing our cap flexibility. We have multiple trade assets and a very young exciting core in valanciounas, lowry, derozan, ross, and yes even andrea bargnani. Would you rather be houston with 50 million for asik and lin? or phoenix with gortat, beasley, and dragic? or charlotte? or any other non-contending team at the moment? sorry but I like the raptors as currently constructed and I’m looking towards the future instead of being such an anal jerk criticizing our obviously less than glorious past.

                • Copywryter

                  C’mon, we made incremental improvements at best. We gained a top 15 pg in Lowry, fine…but he wasn’t our first choice. Then we’ll be looking at an unproven rookie in JV and an overpaid bench player in Fields. Derozan is a middling starter, Bargs is extremely talented in one dimension and then….nothing. 

                  Sorry, but Swirksky is right to be realistic. 

                  Just because other teams overpaid for borderline players doesn’t improve our position. That’s like the really fat kid pointing out the flaws in the obese kids. 

                  Fans like you drive me nuts, because it’s always purple-coloured glasses at the beginning of the season, and then ‘maybe next year’ at the end. There’s never any real improvement because there’s never any demand for it. 

                • Thetruth

                  Fans like me drive you nuts? Purple coloured glasses? I don’t know how many different ways I can say this: Valanciunas would have gone SECOND OVERALL in the 2012 draft according to many GM’s and Chad Ford. So yes, he is an unproven talent but so is Anthony Davis for that matter. The point is, he’s an elite rookie prospect who has All-Star potential at one of the hardest positions to fill in the NBA: The center spot. Lowry is not a top-15 PG, he is top 10. He was being considered for the All-star game before he injured himself so it is not a stretch to say that Lowry has real tangible All-Star potential. That’s nothing to sneeze at. He wasnt our first option? I preferred Lowry over 38 year old steve nash but thats an entirely different debate and besides the point. Derozan, Bargani, Ross, and Davis all have their flaws but they also have great strengths. We also have cap flexibility to add a potential max player down the road. What more do you want? Dwight Howard? Kobe Bryant? 

                • Lorenzo

                   I’m with this guy

                • Copywryter

                  Typical pie in the sky thinking. Are you a Leafs fan?

                   
                  JV is nothing and has done nothing, same as Davis. Lots of players have gone number 1-5 and the pile of failures is very tall. Pure speculation. 

                  Lowry is not top 10. Please find me one reputable sports journalism website that has him cracking that list. Pure exaggeration. 

                  Every player in the NBA has a ‘great strength’, that’s how they got in the league. But winning teams have A) starters who are multi-dimensional and B) a bench with role players like Bargs and DD

                   

              • CJT

                You don’t think improving is an accomplishment?  There are lots of teams that don’t improve year after year.  In years past we have stagnated as well and while I am not suggesting that this team is legit contender or anything.  I am looking forward to seeing what our new players can do and what they bring.

                • Thetruth

                  I am extremely excited to watch Terrence Ross, Kyle Lowry, Jonas Valanciunas alongside Bargnani, Derozan, and Fields this season. I also love the fact that we have a GREAT COACH (how come no one gives BC enough credit for that? look at all the crap coaches in the league…look at them…im glad we have dwane casey) and we have great cap flexibility to add a potential max player down the road. What more do these whiners want? 

                • sleepz

                  He hired Jay Triano prior to that so it has balanced out the scales.
                   

  • sauce jr.

    why are we signing this scrub when Iverson is available?????!!!!

    • Creebrave

      Exact same reason Chicago used him last year when Iverson was available… I hope you were being sarcastic otherwise OMFG

    • FAQ

      TJ also is on the comeback trail … ya think??!!!

  • Joshewah 214

    Why did we pick him up? We all know we should have drafted Michael as our third stringer instead of drafting acy, our sixth big man. If calderong goes, both our PGs Lowry and Lucas, while being dogs defensively, are shoot first guards which will not be good for the development of our you g players

    • Joshewah 214

      *Machado, not Michael. Stupid auto-correct.

      • RaptorFan

        Just so you know er could’ve drafted machado with our last pick….instead we picked some euro who’s name I can’t remember….

  • Bendit

    Chuck Berry isabout 85 yrs old now and I understand he still gets up on stage…but he doesnt remember all the lyrics anymore. His songs still rock. 

    • j bean

      Him and Little Richard had a huge influence that impacted music through six decades.

  • FAQ

    This edition of the Raptors is somewhat bland.  There is no star talent here or on the horizon.  To say “playoffs” and “Raptors” in the same sentence is ludicrous. Only several more seasons with lucky high draft picks and somehow attracting decent FA’s will put the Raptors in the playoff category.  So let’s all sit back and watch what unfolds…and stop fantacizing miracles because the rest of the NBA is pretty much stacked now.

    • onemanweave

       You are a tiny black storm cloud on a day of unbroken, undeserved sunshine. Thank you for painting a true picture when everyone’s headed for Disney World. You have the ability to show us just what a bleak, dark, wretched place our basketball world is.
        I’m a little worried, though, after this last post. You don’t even mention how no black basketball player ever would willingly move to such a boring, distasteful backwater as TO.
         You seem like a heavyweight knucklebuster at the end of a long workout on the heavy bag. You training, experience and character keep you slugging but you’re just too dang tired to be effective.
         Get a rest, man and then come out swinging. We’re gonna be slugging back sunshine without your reasonable, balanced antidote to all the optimism.

      • cesco

        ” boring , distasteful backwater as TO ” . As soon as TO has a contending team we will see how much of a backwater it is in attracting FA’s of any color ( via trades they got Lowry and many others in the past ) .

        • CJT

          Not sure, but I think he was being sarchastic, calling out FAQ for his usual cheery disposition.

          • FAQ

            Sarcasm is only a feeble excuse for ignoring reality, and to attack the bearer of The Truth is an admission of living in fantasy.

            I’ve seen this Raptor rebuilding too many times to take it all too seriously.

             Hope springs eternal in the mindlets of tribal honking fans who can see no wrong in their heroes wearing the Toronto uniforms.  Okay, if delusions are needed to make life bearable so be it.

            Reality is that their are only two, maybe three, proven NBA caliber players on the Raptors, and one of them is on the trading block.  So what’s left?

            What’s left is cast-offs from other teams and “veterans” who are still “developing” and have not proven themselves yet.  There is no true all-star player and leader on this Raptor team and it’s unlikely one will ever be found on this roster of overpaid multi-millionaires of dubious value.

            Nevertheless, I’m looking forward to watching this “blue collar” junior edition of the Raptors on NBATV and in particular all the other talented teams.

            Hey, I put the game of “basketball” before fanatic “tribal honking”.

            • p00ka

              Yet you consistently put childish name calling before anything else, on a basketball site.

              • FAQ

                How would you categorize the comments of onemanweave, CJT and yourself…thoughtful and insightful… or somewhat childish attacking the messenger who annoys you with The Truth??

                I do not “name call” any individual on this sight, but I do occasionally condemn all the delusional tribal honkers trying to change a pig’s ear into a silk purse… or something like that when they elevate the Raptors into a playoff contender.

                It’s like deja vu all over again for the 2012-13 season… and it’s all a load of horse excrement being dished out by BC… again, just to put THF  bums int the seats.  Hey, it’s only business….

                • CJT

                  I don’t believe I attacked you or called you any names.  I, like you, try to point out the parts of your comments that I don’t agree with.  I have nothing against you, I just choose to look at things a different way.  Like I said earlier, if you want to see the team in the way you do, great and good luck. 

                • p00ka

                  Just how big does an ego have to be to call the opinion “The Truth” (capitalized)?

                  You call ALL those that don’t agree with you “tribal honking fans”, every post you make, yet whine about “somewhat childish attacking the messenger” in response to any objection you get? Please show me how I’ve “childishly attacked” you.

            • CJT

              Great.  Good luck. 

              • FAQ

                It’s a matter of “luck” for the faithful tribal honking fans who worship anybody in a Raptor uniform and on the ACC floor… trying to “jell” …. like “jello”…. again.

            • onemanweave

              Chronic pessimism is a cowardly approach to reality — assume the worst and you can never be disappointed.
                  You seem to appreciate basketball but not nearly as much as you love and want to draw attention to your own intellect.  Put-downs are a tribal honking excuse for self confidence.
                  You know this season will be dismal, because the previous one(s) was (were).  Armed with that knowledge, you should follow the Heat or Lakers. They would be far more worthy recipients of your basketball attention and acumen, although I’m confident you can find shortcomings there as well.
                  I’ve never worshiped a basketball player, although I considered kicking in contributions to a shrine for Bill Russell a few times.
                  I just enjoy following the Raptors. I don’t plan to take time to follow the entire NBA.
                 I found last year far more enjoyable than the previous seasons. Toronto actually stopped guys from going to the rim uncontested in most games. It lowered my blood pressure considerably and allowed me to watch many of our losses to the final whistle.
                 I simply don’t know enough about Landry Fields to be sure if he’s a waste of funds or an up-grade, but I’m looking forward to finding out. JV? Ditto. 
                 I truly appreciated Casey’s defensive revamp. Can he continue it and boost the offence? Stay tuned.
                 I dislike many aspects of Toronto’s NBA entry and like others.  I used to play golf and found myself uncontrollably angry most times I played. I stopped playing. When I get to the point where I hate everything about the Raptors, I’ll stop watching.
                 Maybe it’s time for you to switch ‘allegiance’ to a better team or to follow hockey. It might be a more rewarding experience for all of us — especially you.

              • FAQ

                Chronic optimism is an ignorant approach to brutal reality; show your fan love and you will get a lot of “Likes”… and like-minded supporters.  Not unexpected.

                You are confusing “intellect” with “wisdom”, the wisdom you acquire after being kicked in the face by the MLSE and listening to tribal honking fans filling the forum with same old shit, season after season after season. FLUXLAND is a wise dude too.

                As for the rest of your screed, you reveal yourself as a unique tribal honking fan.  Most who watch the Raptors mostly watch the ball going into the hoop, just so they can yell their faces off.  You seem to be one of the lonely few who prefer to see the ball not go into the hoop.  You’re sorta… anal retentive-defensive. Nothing goes in and nothing comes out.

                As for your “golf anger”, you should think of that as a form of “game defense”… where the course, the ball, the club, and your incompetent body and mind deny you the honking pleasure of holing out in par… like I do.

                Oh, and my only ‘allegiance’ is to the game of basketball, in all it’s glory.

                • JPA

                  So why are you so concerned with what the  fans think/feel? All of your posts seem to revolve around that rather than basketball. you’re just a dumb pathetic cunt trying to be funny with your “tribal honking” bullshit over and over again, while you and that other prick fluxland stroke each other off. your only allegiance is to being a little bitch.

                • FAQ

                  Please read my first posting on this topic thread… and tell me it’s not about “basketball”.  Also, you participate in a larger circle jerk than I and Flux contribute to this fine forum.  Hope spring eternal in the mindlets of tribal honking fans…. soooo obvious.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Cage rattled? Nerve struck?

                  “Concerned”  or irked, more accurately, because you and the rest of the TBH are the reason the sub par product is peddled and sold as “playoff contending” while MLSE makes hand over fist every year. Read Theswirsky posts again and realize that only due to that reason can a team suck major donkey basketballs and have zero impact on their books. 

                  You allegiance is to putting horse blinders on and following the crowd, because you lack the ability to think independently or critically, so don’t flatter your self in thinking you can “think”. You can’t. You would rather “feel” like a champ because people click “like” when you post.

                • p00ka

                  Now your uptight about someone getting more “likes” than you? lmfao, that you would raise such an issue as some sort of rebuttal.

                  From a previous post, your “ability to think independently” has driven you to promoting rioting in the streets, over basketball, a sport, entertainment that you can choose to find elsewhere. The “wisdom” spewing from you and FAQ is precious.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Your ability to take what you’d like from what someone says, ignore the context and meaning, manipulate it to profess your wisdom,while basking in it, would win you Olympic Gold, without a doubt.

                  It was to illustrate a point, as in people care enough about their teams when they suck, so they pacifically gathered and protested in the street. They don’t keep coming back asking for more while saying “Gee gollly jeepers and shucks, guess it wasn’t our year, bad luck and all.” You of course imply riots and violence. Riiiiight.  Did anyone call what happened in NY a riot. No, no one but you did.

                  And the “Talking Out Of His Assmouth” gold medal goes to…p00ka.

                • p00ka

                  LOL, you blame fans for the poor product on the floor, and make assumptions about how someone is driven by how many “likes” their post gets, and your ranting about me taking things out of context? You’re getting more pathetic by the day.

                • FLUXLAND

                  There it is again, I say condoning the regime, he says the fans choose the product on the floor.

                  I do love it when you post and reconfirm suspicions for everyone. 

                • CJT

                  Maybe you should move to Vancouver and join the rioters there.  If that is the kind of behavior that you think is appropriate to acheive change on the roster.  It didn’t work out so well for them, but maybe it will work better here?

                • JPA

                  Lmao you two lovebirds need to get laid, and not just by each other. What would an overweight, pimply faced, loner teen that tips the scale at 300 lbs like you know about what my vviews are or how I think? You and FAq should continue to stroke each other off, which is why you;ll both be relegated to being behind fast food counters for the rest of your lives. “Irked” by people on an internet forum? lmfao dumb cunt

                • FLUXLAND

                  lmao.

                  Because your posts are reactions and attacks, not responses. Tells me everything I need to know.

                  Told ya, don’t dilute yourself into believing you are thinking…you are only “feeling”. I can read it here. And you have no views, but if I wanted to know them I’d read King Grunt and rest of the fluffers.

                  Read your posts and the exchanges of Swirsk and Danno.  Those are responses, yours are reactions. Learn the difference, child. Wait, never mind. You can’t, because you can’t think. 

                • JPA

                  Ya right buddy keep getting “irked” by anonymous strangers on an internet site and watch that anger grow. A sad morbidly obese, acne-filled teenage virgin like you has nothing going for you so I can see why youd be annoyed. reactions and responses, thinking and feeling. so what do you call it when you angrily “react” to peoples posts because you “feel” so irked. Lmao what a petty little bitch you are. 

                • FAQ

                  FLUX… I think you’ve upset JPA’s masturbation schedule, and he’s lashing out at you. Duck!!!

                • FLUXLAND

                  Much obliged for the kudos, good Sir.

                  “A casual stroll through the
                  lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”

                  But I’m the coward for not blindly following the sheep flock to sure slaughter season after season after season. Assume the best and get a “like” for drawing attention due to “the right kind of fan” post, I guess, while hero status is achieved.

                  “Who controls the past now controls the future
                  Who controls the
                  present now controls the past”

                  I wish they would just understand (for the millionth time) it has nothing to do with the Raptors as a team in the NBA, nothing to do with the GTA but all to do with the regime that produces this garbage or the the fans that act like enablers to an abusive relationship by continually condoning the misery it provides.

                • FAQ

                  Are  you suggesting that the faithful THFans should boycott their beloved Raptors, and thus send a clear message to the greedy shylocks who run the whole mess?

                  Perhaps the TO THFans masochistically enjoy being abused year after year, and are addicted to pain by smiling even more at the start of each pathetic season.

                  Have pity on the thoughtful forum analysts attempting to determine the future fortunes of their beloved Raptors… while the villainous MLSE rakes in the shekels and laugh all the way to the TD-Canada Trust bank.

                  Obviously, you and I are not MLSE shareholders, yet.

                • FLUXLAND

                  One can only hope.

                  The trouble is, there is no shortage of people in line to buy season tickets because it boosts their image with friends, and ego in some kind of front.

                  There is no shortage of tourists and visitors who get a chance to say they were at a live NBA game.

                  No shortage of moms handing out boat loads of cash for jerseys of Jose and Bargs, the Kaponos and Parkers, because they are nice boys that don’t have tats so it’s OK to financially support this thing called basketball. While also condoning losing is acceptable while participation is all that really matters. 

                  No shortage of people raised by blind optimist that have professed loyalty to “their” TO team regardless of results. There is of course always, next year, where things WILL get better and the bar can be raised to “potential playoff threat” once again – the pinnacle of success in TO.   

                  F a soulless entity who’s only concern is profits and nothing else.

                • FAQ

                  I never begrudge the deluded tribal honking fans how they want to spend their money… BUT… what amazes me is the new annual crop of faithful forum Raptor-lovers who show up to analyze the minutae (khandor-like) attempting to project them into the playoffs… and this happens season after season after season… incredulous..!!!

                  What also amazes me is the resolute intensity of their seasonal fantasy trip.. and then p00f… they’re gone, or they assume another forum name to cover up their disappointment and shame.  Every season.. and good ol’ Arse must keep on trudging, unquestioningly.  Oh well … there’s always you and me for the last {{{decade}}}…???!!!

                • FLUXLAND

                  Hey, I’ve spent enough to put a couple of kids through school, so to each his own; just sad we never see any return on the floor.

                  I wouldn’t even mind the analysis if it ended with a realistic conclusion, instead of the Buddhafan like “Contenders, baby..all others are haters!”

                  Khan would have provide far more than that, I don’t know what’s happened to him. Maybe he figured the analysis was futile and time consuming when he knows the results will yield the same pathetic result, as always.

                  P00f…lmfao. Careful, there will be Rob the wannabe amateur psychologist calling your observational skills a form of extreme paranoia, shortly.

                  Arse must not believe what he is typing. I refuse he does. C’mon!! Guy is in the league for  20 years, with a father who’s been in it even longer but he’s “finally learning and doing something right”

                  W.T.F.???  Perfected the fleecing of fans, maybe.

                • FAQ

                  Strangely enough, I feel somewhat sorry for BC.  He came to TO and landed in a bucket of m00se sh!t.  His only recourse was to fill his pockets with loonies before he went back to daddy in the NBA homeland.

                • Rob

                  I’ve spent enough to put a couple of kids through school”

                  On what? diazepam and lithium? lol

                  Haven’t been on for a while, but I guess bumpkin couldn’t resist her temptation to come over (carpal tunnel syndrome, dreary red eyes and all) and mention me in one of her posts, while adding some of the trademark Worthless Writer isms. Hilarious lol. Doesn’t take a Dr. to figure diagnose 1 of many of your obviously glaring mental illnesses,but I’m flattered I guess lol. 

                  Please, continue the drollery you and your buddy provide as you continue to catch each others farts in your mouths. Now I know why I came back here after a bit of a hiatus—-the laughs. You know, the one’s you provide “for effect” to “illustrate a point”. Man, if you had a brain, you’d be on the floor playing with it. lol

                • p00ka

                  Are you not the one that seems to confuse “intellect” with “wisdom”?  Wisdom isn’t just knowledge, but what action you do/don’t  with it. In your case, your “wisdom” is to take whatever MLSE does, that you disagree with, personally as some sort of personal attack (“being kicked in the face by the MLSE”) and proceed to come here and insult (with childish name calling) those that don’t take the same constantly miserable stance you retain. Wisdom? Hardly.

                  Based on your consistent words here, your only “allegiance” is to yourself, and whatever ego boost you get out of trying to put down everyone that doesn’t agree with you, with the same “tribal honking” insult every post you make here.

                • FAQ

                  Okay…. then tell me why Weems prefers to play on the CKSA Moscow team, rather than play with the Toronto Raptors… answer that, smartypants…!!!!

                • Lorenzo

                  Maybe because the Raptors didn’t want him…

                  You think we’d give up JJ for a second-rounder and then bring in Weems to replace him?

                • Nilanka15

                  It’s easy to choose CSKA when they’re the only team to make an offer 😉

                • p00ka

                  HUH? Weems? WTF does he have to do with what I said in my post, or anything here?

                  But, I’ll play along to an extent. What about Weems signing with CKSA Moscow during a lockout, when he had no NBA contract, says he “preferred” playing there than Toronto? Do you think Wilson Chandler preferred to play in China than with Denver? Why did he then sign with Denver upon his return? The only difference between the two scenarios is that the Raps didn’t want Weems to begin with.

                • FAQ

                  Hey, Sonny is becoming another “Parker” with his stellar performance with the Lithuanian team.  Are you telling me that TRoss is gonna be a better NBA player and a Raptor starter too when Weems was available?

                  See  what I mean??!!!

                • p00ka

                  You couldn’t stand up and answer to your previous foolishness, but want me to see what you mean when you invent yet another thing I’m “telling you”. Brilliant, if you’re into internet baffle-gab for kids.

                • FAQ

                  See… I talk basketball and you talk rubbish with your personal attack on moi… and by mid-season you will go p00f … like so many of your ilk have done before.

                • p00ka

                  So, you not responding to the post your “replying” to and inventing new shit that I’m saying, is talking basketball? . noiw that is funny.

                • CJT

                  Is Sonny a two time euroleague MVP too?

                • p00fer

                  p00f…!!!!

                • onemanweave

                  Basketball in all it’s glory involves scoring and preventing scoring.  Hope the Raps get better at both.
                     The season will tell us whether the team has gotten better or worse and by how much, not some self-proclaimed hard court Solomon.
                     If you’re parring every hole, spend more time at your golf game. All those tribal honking duffers can shoot par. Birdies are what’s called for from a man of your ability.
                     We’ll miss you, but maybe you could drop in some time between Christmas and Easter and remind us how right you were.
                    Oh, and Merry Christmas you old humbug, if I don’t hear from you before then.

                • FAQ

                  The Raptors have gotten worse, because now it is flooded with rookies and castoffs.  By Xmas all you honkers will be wondering how and if the Raptors can ever “jell”.

                  Keep on hoping….

                • CJT

                  Gel.
                  Enjoy your dessert

                • onemanweave

                   Yes, you’ve been personally kicked in the face by every Raptor who ever laced a sneaker and every fan who’s down but not chronically depressed and every faux pas that rascally scoundrel in the starched collar has made. Sure, it’s scarred your tender pysche.
                    We feel your pain. We’ve even shared it at times. Get over it.
                     Tribal whining is as hard to take as tribal honking.

            • CJT

              You know Hitler believed that killing four of five million people was the truth.  So what your version of truth is and what other peoples versions of truth are can be different. 

    • CJT

      how can you predict what is on the horizon?  You have no idea what trades or players are available between now and the trade deadline.  What a ridiculous comment.

  • Adriiian

    I cant wait for next season. Predicting we get 44 wins.

    • FAQ

      Where, where!!!!  The 2012-13 schedule is out now and I think everybody will appreciate your analysis to back up your 44 win prediction… unless you were being sarcastic….

      • Brain Colangelo

        Maybe he was including preseason and summer league.

        • FAQ

          …. or adding last season’s results to the next season ….LOL

          • cesco

            If you could only promise never to post here again if the Raps make the playoffs next season , it will make my day as well as that of the great majority of the RR faithful , I think . You will be ridiculed to no end if you decide to do otherwise .

  • retep9

    Fianally people are recognizing Clangelo for what he is…… a disaster. But he’s a disaster on more than one level. Yes he’s failed miserably in trying to assmble a decent, competitive squad, but perhaps even more importantly, he has succeeded in making the Raptors totally unwatchable on TV. Our GM hired arguably the worst play by play guy in the whole NBA. Devlin is aggravating, boring, stupid, irelevant, slow and ill-informed all roled into one big incompetent ball. On the other hand we have Jones and Smith providing witty, articulate and descriptive commentary hidden away in the radio booth. Too bad the broadcasts are not synched.
    In many ways I am really looking forward to the season, but then…… if I have to endure more of Devlin….maybe it’s time to get a dish and watch the Nicks