Best pie chart ever?
Best pie chart ever?

There’s been a lot of talk this pre-season about how the minutes are going to be distributed for the Raptors’ front-court players this season.

While the team runs five-deep at the big positions, with additional options in rookie Quincy Acy and small-ball power forwards Linas Kleiza and Dominic McGuire, the minutes appear ready to be given to some combination of Andrea Bargnani, Jonas Valanciunas, Amir Johnson, Ed Davis and Aaron Gray.

Because of the introduction of The Lethaluanian and the return to health for Il Mago, we can’t simply assume the minutes will break down the same as they did last year.

2011-12 Minutes Breakdown
Andrea Bargnani – 33.3 MPG (31 games)
Amir Johnson – 24.3 MPG (64 games)
Ed Davis – 23.2 MPG (66 games)
Aaron Gray – 16.6 MPG (49 games)
Jamaal Magloire – 11.0 MPG (34 games)
Solomon Alabi – 8.7 MPG (14 games)
This actually leaves us 959 minutes, or about 14.5 MPG short, which can be accounted for by Linas Kleiza and James Johnson occasionally playing power forward in a smaller lineup.

Small Ball?
This year, I would not expect to see Kleiza at the four too often. While he can be an effective post scorer there, he struggles to defend and there are simply too many bigs to fight for minutes to play someone out of position there except in the most limited of matchups. If anything, I’d expect those “small four” minutes to go to McGuire as a matching mechanisms when teams like Oklahoma, Miami or New York use ball dominant wing players like Durant, LeBron or ‘Melo as “small ball fours.” (Yes, I keep putting that in quotations, since you may recall I’m not a proponent of the traditional five position definitions.)

Regardless, perhaps we can assume a total of 300 minutes going to McGuire and/or Kleiza in this kind of role. They won’t be spread evenly across games and the estimate might be too high or too low, but we’re using it and it leaves us with 7572 minutes left to distribute, assuming no overtime (a terrible assumption, of course, but minute in its impact here).

Remember the Nickname Il Mago?
With Bargnani back to full health, let’s pencil him in for 75 games at 35 MPG. In the past four seasons he’s averaged 31, 35, 36 and 33 minutes while playing in 82% of the team’s games, so I’m being a bit generous with the games played total but fair with the minutes load. It seems unreasonable to expect Andrea to receive less minutes than that on average, but if you want to knock down his games played to create minutes elsewhere, you can probably justify as few as 70 without suggesting a major injury. As it is, Bargnani, the most certain chunk of minutes distribution, gets 2625, leaving us with 4947 left to distribute.

The G.O.A.T.
I’d like to suggest Jonas will get all of the minutes, but that might not be fully realistic given that he’s a rookie, he will have occasional foul trouble, and nobody plays all of the minutes (but if anyone could, it would be Jonas). Valanciunas averaged a foul for every eight minutes of play during the preseason, which seems to be a pretty reasonable rate, although it may be on the lower end in terms of expected foul frequency.

I looked in Basketball Reference at rookie forwards and centers over the last four years to see if I could find a reasonable foul rate expectation, as well as a minutes expectation. Overall, rookie forwards and centers in the past four years have averaged a foul every 8.8 minutes. I also checked to see if block rate was related to foul rate, but there was only a correlation of about 44% so while, yes, shot blockers do tend to foul more, the relationship isn’t extremely pronounced. When I limited the sample to only players who spent at least some time at center I found the foul rate increased to one foul every 7.4 minutes, but shot blocking was even more weakly correlated with foul rate.

Perhaps here, shot blocking shouldn’t predict foul rate, since there are those shot blockers who accumulate the stat while trying to block everything (fouling in the process) but also those who rely on skill and timing to selectively block shots without being over-aggressive. So let’s give Jonas the benefit of the doubt and say that his preseason foul rate is indicative of what to expect in the regular season, and his high block potential shouldn’t impact that any further. A foul every eight minutes is a rate that would not keep him off the floor due to foul trouble a significant amount.

Now, since Jonas is relatively assured of minutes given his draft position, his reputation, and his strong preseason play, and we don’t think fouls will be too cumbersome too often, we have to establish a minutes per game expectation. In the four preseason games that followed his short debut, he averaged 26.5 MPG. Among all rookie centers who appeared in at least 50 games (my cut off for “rookie centers who played a fair amount,” or about 600 minutes) the last four years, the average minutes per game rate was 18.3 while the high was Marc Gasol’s 30.7. Only five centers managed more than 20 minutes a night (Gasol, Brook Lopez, Greg Monroe, Greg Oden and Gustavo Ayon).

Let’s put Jonas on the higher end of this group and give him 25 minutes a night, allowing for occasional foul trouble but occasional games where he is playing well and remains in longer than might be expected. Let’s also give him 75 games, assuming a few nicks and scrapes, since only three centers played a full 82 games in their rookie year the past four years. This would give Jonas 1875 minutes, leaving us with 3072.

I’m so Boss at photo editing.

50 Games of Gray
Gray will likely be limited to spot duty against bulkier centers this season, since he’s not as effective a player as his rotation maters but is the only big body available to coach Dwane Casey other than Jonas. Last year, the average center in the NBA was 6’10” and 251lbs, so let’s assume Gray will only play against those centers greater than 250lbs (for reference, Amir is allegedly 210lbs and Ed is 232, while Gray weighs about what I can bench…270). We’ll also only play him against centers worth gameplanning defense for, so Kendrick Perkins doesn’t register here (it would be silly to match up his all-D, no-O with the same type of player rather than trying to gain an advantage with a more skilled player).

The Eastern Conference teams Gray could be expected to get run against are: Philly (Bynum), Brooklyn (Lopez), Indy (Hibbert), Chicago (Boozer, maybe), Detroit (Drummond and Monroe…what a filthy duo that could be, yikes!), Charlotte (Mullens, maybe), Atlanta (Horford), Washington (Nene, Okafor). There are likely a few others but nobody dangerous enough that you’d find yourself saying “oh shoot, we better play Gray to body him up or he’ll torch us.”

Let’s give Gray 50 games of run, 20 of which he’ll get just 4 minutes in and 30 of which he’ll play 14. This gives him 500 minutes which is less than last year but more than he had received since 2008-09. I know the Republic has some staunch Gray supporters, but I don’t see his value over our other options here, except as defined above.

ED davis + AMir JOHNSON = A(h)med Johnson

Ahmed Johnson
The other day I “predicted” Ed Davis and Amir Johnson would merge into one mega-force known as Amed Davison, but Ahmed Johnson is more appropriate because a) he was a WWF wrestler known to be extremely prone to hurting his fellow wrestlers, which is funny, and b) Amir is likely the “bigger” half of the duo in terms of role and should therefore also have a bigger share of the name.

Given Andrea’s 35 MPG, Jonas’ 25 MPG and the spot duty for McGuire/Kleiza and Gray, we’re left with just 2572 minutes for Amir and Ed. We can also add in about 100 minutes for overtime (last year NBA teams played 100.8% of the expected minutes total, a pace of 160 minutes extra for players; we’ll give Amir and Ed 100 of those to be kind. So we’ve got 2672 minutes to divide between these two young men who combined for 3087 minutes last year. Obviously, someone’s not going to be happy.

Last year, Amir and Ed had fairly similar statistics. In fact, let’s see if you can guess who is who.

Player A: 23.2 MPG, 51.3% FG, 67% FT, 6.3 PPG, 6.6RPG, 0.6 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 1.0 TOPG, 2.4 FPG, 54.4% TS, 16.7% RebRate, 108 ORtg, 101 DRtg, 3.9 Win Shares
Player B: 24.3 MPG, 57.6% FG, 69% FT, 7.1PPG, 6.4RPG, 0.5SPG, 1.1BPG, 1.5 TOPG, 3.3 FPG, 60% TS, 15.4% RebRate, 109 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 4.0 Win Shares

Having watched the games, and with FG% and foul rate tipping you off, you probably guessed that A is Ed Davis and B is Amir Johnson. But send those stats to a non-Raptor fan friend and see if they can figure it out, or ask who they’d rather have playing the bulk of the minutes? The answer would probably come back relatively split, or with a “who the hell cares, they appear to be equal.”

Now, if the team decided to put their eggs in one player’s basket, and boy is that an awkward sentence, based on our scenarios here said player would receive about 33 MPG. Either player, given those minutes, would probably put up a near double-double with about a block and a half a night, very solid numbers for a third big man in a rotation. Alas, they’ll likely both get minutes and neither will have numbers in that range.

If the preseason is an indication, Johnson appears likely to get more run (they’ve both played 19-20 minutes a game but Johnson has been the first man up). One key reason is that he provides a nice complement to Andrea Bargnani, protecting the paint on defense and allowing Bargnani to not worry about help defense and weak-side blocks, while also playing closer to the rim and grabbing boards on offense, allowing Bargnani to roam. However, Davis appears to be a strong complement as well given his slightly stronger rebounding rates and his equal shot-blocking ability, but Davis seems, to my eye, more limited in his ability to play center despite having a weight edge over Johnson.

It’s difficult to see how this will shake out. Amir is older and has been in the league four years longer, so he ostensibly has less upside to tap into. He also makes more money, which could be a vote in favor of playing him more, but Davis also has just this year and next for the team to make a determinate decision about his future. They are similar players with similar upsides, leaving coach Casey with tough rotation decisions game in and game out.

What would be nice is to do away with the “small ball four” minutes and Aaron Gray’s minutes, which would give them 3472 minutes (a combined 42 minutes a night) to play with. This would be my ideal scenario, but it’s not realistic given the usefulness of Gray and McGuire in certain situations. As it is, and this sure sounds like a cop out, I’d “play the hot hand” so to speak and let the battle for minutes be a season-long motivational tool for both of them. I’d venture Amir will get the greater share given the minutes split of Bargnani/Jonas and his ability to play some center, but this seems like a situation that could be very fluid game to game.

What does the Republic think? Is it time to ditch one and give the minutes to the other? Am I overestimating Jonas’ playing time? Do we send Gray out to sea on a raft, or let him play 20 minutes because it’s hilarious to make jokes about his foot speed and vertical jump?


  • Ppellico

    OK…I’ll bite.
    Your(and everybody’s) analysis based upon the preseason minutes and results are sort of silly.
    I do like your work…but I feel its more a need to write than reality.

    You yourself point out LA and its losing preseason record.

    Gray plays each night as if nothing matters. Not an injury, not a persaonal issue. He just always shows up at work  with his lunch.
    Last year Amir showed up when and if he felt. You might blame it on personal issues.
    I put it on character.
    I see rediculous fouls being called on Amir, as well as Jonas, thus foul trouble in early minutes of games. Guess who gets the call….

    This season has given us no clues as to who will show up as players on the opposition. There are so called small ball players that will not produce and there will be big boys on benches that show up big time. During these times of reality…you will see Casey look down his bench and once again find his steady, ready big man…Gray.

    Casey’s entire small ball plan could blow up in smoke with turnovers and lack of scoring…as this team has yet to show it can play a fast game without turning the ball over. And please do not site the preseason record as proof. You COULD be looking at a reversal to a slow game in order to right the ship.

    Inguries. Hell…have we entirely forgotten this black cloud that came over the Raps last year????? This alone could rap up the entire Casey plan.

    Man..love the cool aid you’re drinking.
    I am sticking with Gray for equal minutes from last yar.

    • BlakeMurphy

      I know we don’t see eye to eye on Gray and that’s fine (although I’m not sure where the koolaid comes in, except perhaps the low-foul assumption on JV). Appreciate the detailed response. 

      Out of curiosity, how many minutes would you expect Gray to play? And would it vary based on match-up? And at whose expense? (In terms of MPG, just curious to see how you’d have it shake out)

      • Ppellico

        sorry about the cool-aid…it was more meant to be
        addressing the whole new Casey plan, the fast running game or small ball and
        the optimism from the fans on the change.

         

         

        what I would like to se e him play vs what I think will
        happen are different.

         

        sorry about the cool-aid misunderstanding…it was more
        meant to be addressing the whole new Casey plan, the fast running game or small
        ball and the optimism from the fans on the change.

        what I would like to se e him play vs what I think will
        happen are different.

        I would like to see him play 15 minutes. However…I  see him playing less because I see Casey
        changing his game plan from a slower half court game last year to a run and gun
        style this year.  No…I actually don’t
        know what to expect Gray wise given what I think are the unexpected events
        during the season such as injuries and Casey’s determination at the newer,
        faster game that must have Amir involved.

        As such I think this marks Gay as an odd man out. Seems like
        a new fad of small ball is the rage.

        But I don’t like the run 
        and gun, western  style. I never
        have. The older eastern style of hard play was more fun to me…and actually
        more realistic come play-off…where this style actually is allowed. And again,
        IMO…IF you do not play this and are comfortable with it, you end up crying
        about the refs allowing fouls.  But that
        is THE play-offs. Hard ball.Just do not have faith in Amir. From my experience with him…he is to emotionally weak and falls to his inner demons. He allows for his poutings to take over.
        sorry about the cool-aid misunderstanding…it was more
        meant to be addressing the whole new Casey plan, the fast running game or small
        ball and the optimism from the fans on the change.

        what I would like to se e him play vs what I think will
        happen are different.

        I would like to see him play 15 minutes. However…I  see him playing less because I see Casey
        changing his game plan from a slower half court game last year to a run and gun
        style this year.  No…I actually don’t
        know what to expect Gray wise given what I think are the unexpected events
        during the season such as injuries and Casey’s determination at the newer,
        faster game that must have Amir involved.

        As such I think this marks Gay as an odd man out. Seems like
        a new fad of small ball is the rage.

        But I don’t like the run 
        and gun, western  style. I never
        have. The older eastern style of hard play was more fun to me…and actually
        more realistic come play-off…where this style actually is allowed. And again,
        IMO…IF you do not play this and are comfortable with it, you end up crying
        about the refs allowing fouls.  But that
        is THE play-offs. Hard ball.Just do not have faith in Amir. From my experience with him…he is to emotionally weak and falls to his inner demons. He allows for his poutings to take over.

        • Ppellico

          what i hell happened to my post?????

        • Ppellico

          I appologize to all.
          It went ugly trying to fix in microsoft word…
          I am sorry to all here and you need not put up with the rants of an idiot….
          again…I appologize.
          Hopefully Blake can/will delete.

          • BlakeMurphy

            I don’t know how to delete haha but it’s OK, I’m sure everyone can either skip over it or figure out which part was legit.

    • Statement

      Why do you like Gray so much? Not meant to be insulting but I’m curious

      It seems an odd choice.

      • Ppellico

        just his hard ball give it all. He shows up. And I always liked the older style ball. I like it more a big man inside game.
        Guess its sort of old timer of me. Never a fan of Noah’s style or Chandlers…or the fast running center that is all over the floor.
        Its just they get killed come playoff.

    • NEW ERA

      nice try Aaron Gray

  • Nilanka15

    Bargs 35 mpg
    Jonas 30 mpg
    Amir 25 mpg

    Davis, Gray, Acy can squabble over the remains.

    • tmk

      I’d go with around what you’re saying but I’d still want to give Ed more of a chance since it’s his contract year (I think) and we already know what we have in Amir (not that it’s bad, he is very productive).

      Also, I’m pretty sure the answer is nothing, but I really want to see what Acy has. I know he was picked in the second round for a reason, I know he’s undersized, but he seems like a fun player to watch (for a few minutes).

      • Nilanka15

        Davis has a team option for next year, so yes, it’s basically a contract year in terms of him needing to prove himself.

        As for Acy, I agree that he could use some PT, but I’d prefer to wait until next season once the front court has been trimmed down with trades. I don’t want the on-court product to suffer this year.

  • Kevin

    Thought it might be relevant that Ed and Demar are best friends in this whole Amir v Ed debate. With respect to trading one of them, maybe they’re waiting until they decide on Demar before they make this decision. It’s just a thought.

    • Sheptor

       Yeah being best friends with Demar really helped Sonny Weems out

      • Danielscott677

        Haha…good one.

      • Nilanka

        glad you had enough time to take bargs dick out of your mouth to type that gem 

        • Nilanka15

          Obviously wasn’t me

        • Sheptor

           MMMMmmmmmm Italian Sausage..

      • chalky

         absolutely.

        now if he had gheardini as a friend he would be here for life.

  • Bendit

    My sense is that too much is being asked of JV. With such a load he is going to hit the wall earlier in the season and might impact on the more important games later…. I am being optimistic here about the possibilities of fighting for a playoff spot. 

    • Puffer

      Gotta remember that JV has been playing in two leagues, and all summer fro one national team or the other for 2-3 years. I don’t believe the games are as frequent, but he has been playign all year for some time. Should have less likelihood of hitting the Rookie Wall than someone form the NCAA.

  • NEW ERA

    Wish BC had the balls to trade away Bargnani… Both ED/Amir are capable of starting and would IMO surprise many if given 30+ MPG

    • Nilanka15

      I don’t see Amir or Ed as starter material.  They have just as many holes in their game offensively, as Bargnani does defensively.

      • NEW ERA

        Maybe on last year’s team, but they won’t have to do as much offensively with Lowry and a (hopefully) improved DeRozan. Both Ed/Amir seem to have improved their jumpers, and either would benefit from playing + minutes in the 2nd unit with Calderon or even JL3. I see potential for a 11-12 Nuggets offense with better defense.

        • hotfuzz

          I could say the same thing for bargs. He won’t have to be a good defender to be in the lineup with the arrival of Jonas and Lowry.

          • NEW ERA

            I agree, but Bargnani is better trade bait than Ed/Amir combined.

            • p00ka

              If you don’t think AB is more valuable to the Raps as either Ed or Amir, what makes you think he’s more valuable trade bait, for other teams, than both combined?

              • NEW ERA

                It’s not that I don’t think he’s valuable, in fact his value is probably at an all time high after last season (pre-injury). I’m saying we’ll be fine with Ed/Amir as our 4’s, given our new additions. Individually they are not better than Bargnani, but are solid players.

                You need to give up value to get value. If we want to net an impact player it starts with shipping out Bargnani.

                • p00ka

                  Well, there are certainly a fair number of players in the league that could be more valuable to the Raps than AB, but it’s not like one can flick a switch and make it happen. You need a dance partner.

                  You opened this saying you “Wish BC had the balls to trade away Bargnani…”. For starters, he’s an actual GM and is talking with actual GMs around the league all the time. If you say he doesn’t have the balls, what kind of deal do you believe is possible and he should pull the trigger on. Remember, it has to make sense for the other team too, or all the balls in the world aren’t going to even get you a cup of coffee.

                • NEW ERA

                  The theory is that he is not even shopping Bargnani, his #1 overall pick. Of course I have no way of knowing this for sure, but all indicators have led myself and others to believe that Bargnani is here to stay. BC will have to swallow his pride and ACTIVELY shop him.

                  My point was that Bargnani, if used in a package, will give us a better chance of landing an impact player than Ed or Amir. I think that point still stands.

                  If you want me to play GM, honestly I don’t see any deals at this moment that would make sense for both teams. This could very well change by the trade deadline.

                  Let’s say the Grizz underperform and want to blow things up. A Gay for Calderon/Bargnani deal would make sense if they also amnesty Randolph. This gives them about 22m in FA and a core of Gasol, Bargnani, and Conley. Sounds pretty good to me. Makes a lot more sense than the Ed/Amir + Calderon + DeRozan deal I’ve been seeing around here.

                • p00ka

                  “The theory is that he is not even shopping Bargnani, his #1 overall pick.
                  Of course I have no way of knowing this for sure, but all indicators
                  have led myself and others to believe that Bargnani is here to stay. BC
                  will have to swallow his pride and ACTIVELY shop him’

                  Everything you say there has no basis in fact, but is totally based on fan theory/speculation/imaginary “indicators”/unfounded rumours or gossip, etc. We don’t know what’s been going on, and I wish people would stop pounding these imaginary conclusions out as fact to support opinions, but oh well.

                  As far as your Grizz suggestion, to begin with they can’t amnesty Z-Bo until next July, so it’s a mute point until then, so let’s see how this season actually plays out before we accuse BC of not having the balls to pull off a deal that’s not even possible, whether the Grizz would think it works for them or not.

                • sleepz

                  I agree with you that we don’t really know what’s happening but you also can’t say that he has put offers out there for him either.

                  The franchise has invested a lot of resources in Bargnani. Sometimes it’s hard to turn around and go back when you’ve already traveled a great distance.

                • sleepz

                  sorry, put offers out there for him with any certainty either.

                • NEW ERA

                  OK, I may have overstated my opinion, but I don’t think its completely unfounded. 

                  You want to talk about facts, the only “fact” here is that Bargnani is still with us. As fans we can only speculate and based on what’s happened, you’d be crazy to think BC hasn’t had a single good offer in the last few years. 

                  The Grizz deal is still possible, they can play season out after the trade and amnesty Randolph after. You also never know with injuries. But after looking at it again, we’d probably need to sweeten the deal with a pick or some cash.

                • Mark

                  Shop AB for what? What do the raps want? They were close to last in offense and you want to remedy that by trading our only consistent scorer. Saying shop AB without any reference to why or to who is just spurting garbage. I compare bargs to tebow. He’s a good playr with unconventional skills and flaws. If you have him you value his ability while other teams don’t want to ask for the problems. What player can you swap him for to improve?

                  Either way starting Amir or Ed next o Jonas is crazy. Unless you want to get the 1st pick so we can send it rockets.

              • Randy16

                so are you saying non of the other 89 NBA teams wouldn’t have an interest in trading for AB12 ? 

                • p00ka

                  Saying nothing remotely close to that, but nice try.

          • Destro

            How does Kyle Lowry affect bargnani’s defensive role ? So with Lowry defending the perimeter he doesnt have too now ??

        • Statement

          No way are we a 11-12 Nuggets offense.

          That team was 3rd in offensive efficiency last year. 

          • NEW ERA

            We definitely would not be as efficient, but the potential is there. We have the depth and athleticism, it’s a matter of what we can get in a trade.

      • Statement

        I disagree with you on Amir,

        IMHO he is a good finisher in traffic, especially on the pick-and-roll and his jumpshot is improving.

        • Nilanka15

          Don’t get me wrong.  I like Amir.  But I see him as a Haslem-type at best.  He can start if there is enough talent around him to compensate.  I don’t see that with the current starting unit.

          • Statement

            Oh I guess we are kind of in agreement then as you said originally that you didn’t see Amir/Ed as starters.  I mistakenly interpreted that to mean that they couldn’t start anywhere (which I disagree on with Amir), as opposed to just on the Raptors.

            Anyways, I do see your point on Amir with the Raptors.  He might be a bad fit as a starter for this team, particularly given that Valanciunas is a pick-and-roll player and offensive rebounder too.

          • Mark

            Amir scores 6 PPG. 6!!!!! Don’t compare him to hAslem who scores way more on better teams where he isn’t required to score. Amir is a 0 on offense. He could be a starting PF if you had brook Lopez at centre. Amir is a garbage man. He can’t create his own offense and never will. He isn’t a top 30 PF. Not even close.

            • Nilanka15

              Lol yes, because Amir and Haslem’s games are soooooooo different, right?

              They’re both garbage men whose only purpose is to rebound, defend, and hit open jumpers.

      • Statement

        I think the bigger issue maybe that Amir has a simliar offensive game to Valanciunas and could crowd him on that end.

        • what the

          there ain’t no crowd there dude, the only crowd on this team is L.Fields and J.Calderon , Spike Lee said  ” Fields was a sleeper” well, the fn guy is still sleeping

      • sleepz

        Is this a team predicated on offence or defence?

  • ad

    You have to think if they cant find davis consistent minutes, hes going to be trade bait. He is probably more attractive to other teams than johnson anyways.

  • NyAlesund

    Bargs 33-35 minutes, Valanciunas 25-30 depending of foul trouble, Amir 20-25 minutes and less for ED and Gray.

    ED an AJ can’t stay together in the same team if Val will play well enough to stay confortably on the court for more than 20 minutes.

    Gray (real 7 footer) is helping the team in a specific situation. In addition no one expected to see him playing a lot during the season.

    Ed Davis needs to play but Val’s presense is going to limit his contribuiton and honestly is difficult to manage AB, AJ, ED, JV and AG for two spots. Forgetting Magloire.

    • Alb Perjet

      Magloire will play about 15 minutes this season. Just in case someone is trash talking JV, u put Magloire to set the record straight… But I agree with the minute break down that blake gives it is very reasonable.

      • chief queef

        JV Is a grown man, he doesn’t need a bodyguard. Only way you’ll get respect is if you stand up for yourself. And get huge muscles, of course.

        • Lorenzo

          Chief queef…

      • Nilanka15

        Magloire probably won’t play at all this season.  He’s currently the 16th man (on a 15-man roster).

        • Danielscott677

          Ya magloire is a practice player only to bang around j.v while he dreams of being where boogie williams is right now .

  • voy

    I wouldn’t mind giving Acy a little burn to see if he can fill a role similar to a reggie evans – hustle, dive on the floor, rebound, throw the occaisional dick punch.  I cant imagine ED, Amir and Acy all being on the team next year.

  • 511

    Things that don’t bother me at all: NHL hockey not happening. (Though … I do feel for those I know who are pissed over the whole thing. No, really.) 

    Things that bother the shit out of me: Finding out at the last minute the final preseason Raptors game is NOT on tv tonight. (Lots of cursing … here.) 

    • sleepz

      might be streamed on first row?

      • 511

        Looks like it’ll be there, fingers crossed. Thanks! 

        • 511

          spoke too soon. Doesn’t seem to be working. 

  • nba_socrates

    Val should be getting no more than 10 minutes a game in his rookie season, preferably garbage time. This will develop him and make him more hungrier than handing him the keys too soon

    • GoBackToTexas

      And creating a socio-economic system of rampant inequality will motivate people to work harder.

      • p00ka

        ding! ding! ding!

    • frankthetank

      Why would you sit your best centre?? This makes no sense. 

    • Lorenzo

      What? Why would they ever do that?

      Put him out there for 30 minutes a night and they’ll play a lot better as a team I GUARANTEE. All that statistical analysis jazz will prove it. And on top of that, he’s very fun to watch.

      Make him hungrier, maybe, but this kid already has a great motor and the will to be a great player. He’s all set and ready to go. We have waited long enough, time to put him out there and watch him play.

    • Nilanka15

      Yeah, excellent point! if there’s anything Jonas needs help with, it’s his hunger. What a lazy mofo, eh?

  • Destro

    bargnani with another huge night on the boards…

    • p00ka

      Great game analysis, for………

      • Destro

        exactly breh even you cant defend it, only deflect it……

  • 511

    Didn’t see the game but listened to some. The catching up and taking over around the third quarter is getting familiar. The Friday night before in Montreal, it looked apparent that team-depth (being able to keep fresh legs out there, basically) just wore the Knicks down until the Raps took over (around the 3rd quarter). Don’t know if it was like that last night against the Grizzlies but it wasn’t until the 3rd quarter that they finally took a lead and …  then they pulled away. 

    Grizz didn’t play most of their starters (Gay, Conley, Randolph, Gasol) and … I have no idea what that’s about. Seems odd. Either they’re all so up-to-speed they don’t need no stinking preseason game … or there’s something else going on. Whatever. 
    We played 13 players. (They played 11.) TRoss had the most minutes at 26:56, 10 pts on 4-12 shooting, 2-8 from 3. Calderon played 26:01, 11 pts, 7 ast. Bargnani’s shot was on, played 17:55, shot 6-12, 3-4 behind the arc for 21 pts and 1 (def) rebound. JV played 20:36, 15 pts, 7 rebounds. 

    http://www.nba.com/games/20121026/TORMEM/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore   

  • 511

    JV takes a dunk in the face here but what’s cool is how, watching Valanciunas, you’d never know it. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vgZnuxVjbA&feature=watch_response_rev  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

       I guess its a Euro thing

    • joman

      Vince would still be rolling on the floor. 

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Check out AB’s sucka mc reaction to the play- the faster AB is traded away the better for Raptors basketball.smdh

      • 511

        Tried but … for the life of me, I can’t see what the hell you’re talking about. Sorry. 

      • Destro

        Bargnani + ______ for Harden ?

  • Canadian Paul

    Apparently no extension deal for Harden. Can we offer him the max this summer or is cap space already gobbled up?

    • Destro

      Someone will give him the max i just hope were not that team….