Orlando Magic 86 Final
Recap | Box Score
97 Toronto Raptors
Dominic McGuire, SF 22 MIN | 5-9 FG | 1-2 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 11 PTS | +4

Nailed his open jumpers, which made up for being burned by Afflalo in the first quarter. He really has to do very little to earn a high grade in these columns as little is expected of him. Play within yourself and keep your skill/FGA-quality ratio in check and you’ll be as loved as Antoine Wright.

Andrea Bargnani, C 40 MIN | 7-19 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 17 PTS | +20

17 points on 19 shots in terribly inefficient but in light of the win let’s focus on the positives here. Had a couple nice rolls which were converted to scores in the fourth quarter, had two blocks without even leaving his feet, and wasn’t as bad as a black hole as he usually is. There were stretches in this game where his presence was felt and the defense was worried about him, I’d say that’s an improvement given his wretches season thus far.

Jonas Valanciunas, C 24 MIN | 2-5 FG | 2-6 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | -1

Not the first time a physical matchup has caused him trouble, and not the first time he’s responded to it after having a think of things. There’s no doubt Baby Davis and even Vucevic game him pause, but after settling down he hit the offensive glass, kept balls alive and dare I say, frustrated his opponents by collecting 4 very hard-fought offensive rebounds.

Jose Calderon, PG 43 MIN | 3-8 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 18 AST | 9 PTS | +15

Brutal defensively all afternoon on the pick ‘n roll. Whichever big was part of the set can also be legitimately crucified here, but Calderon deserves to be called out. The ease at which dribble penetration was allowed was appalling, and no sort of help defense could make up for it. A big fat assist count did enough to make up for it against a poor opponent, but let’s be blunt: defensive performances like this cannot continue against a half-decent opponent.

DeMar DeRozan, SG 38 MIN | 8-16 FG | 3-5 FT | 9 REB | 2 AST | 20 PTS | +8

Everything’s fine in the big time. The mid-range game was in effect with the exception of a stretch in the third where he was guilty of over-reliance on it. When it mattered in the fourth, though, he did what he does best and that’s to slither his way to the rim. He is, easily, the go-to player on the Raptors right now and despite his suspect ball-handling at times, remains the guy you want taking the shots that matter.

Ed Davis, PF 8 MIN | 2-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | 0

Limited deployment for Ed Tonight, with Casey opting to go with Johnson and Kleiza for an extended stretch.

Amir Johnson, PF 25 MIN | 5-6 FG | 4-5 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 15 PTS | +3

After delivering a typically unproductive performance in the first three quarters, AJ3000 decided to go full-throttle, starting with a dunk which earned him a tech for slapping the backboard, nailing a three, and then banging Baby Davis’ wife. His fourth-quarter play has to be the most effective stretch of play by any Raptor this season.

Linas Kleiza, SF 26 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 12 PTS | +7

Delivered big time in the fourth quarter in his coveted role of energizer. The key here is to nail threes, which he did twice, and to hit the glass, which he did five times. Do this consistently and he’s likely to become the first guy off the bench.

John Lucas, PG 11 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | +1

Came in, had a look around and hoisted four times in 11 minutes, which is too high of a rate for him.

Terrence Ross, SG 4 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -2

Apparently, he played four minutes. I don’t recall them.

Five Things We Saw

  1. Raptors allowed 50% shooting in the first quarter, but held Orlando to 40% for the game. The primary cause was extremely poor pick ‘n roll defense with zero communication/strategy between the people defending it, namely Calderon/Johnson/Bargnani/Valanciunas.
  2. The transition defense was much better with the Magic only scoring two fast-break points. Give credit to the guards here who made a concerted effort to recover quickly. It also helped that the Orlando wings which more content to bringing it up than pushing it.
  3. This here is DeRozan’s shot-chart. Those makes are getting more and more diverse, and what that shot-chart doesn’t tell you is the separation he’s able to create. Well done.
  4. Jose Calderon’s assist distribution:

    McGuire 3
    DeRozan 4
    Bargnain 3
    Davis 1
    Kleiza 4
    Johnson 3
  5. Raptors shot 7-18 from threes – 39%. Need more of this consistently.

  • ZZ

    You get an A+! You get an A+! Everyone gets an A+!

    • arsenalist

      That was a mistake.  Just added the grades.

    • FAQ

       Didn’t I say these Ratpors are going to {{{surprise}}} us…!!!!

  • pran

    mcguire C+ , bargs B- , valanciunas C- , calderon well deserved A , derozan B- , davis NC, Amir A- , Kleiza B+ , lucas C-, Ross C-      coach casey: C

  • RapthoseLeafs

    Great day for Toronto sports.

    Raps win
    Argos going to Grey Cup.

    Now if only the Leafs could win tonite. Lol

    .

    • unknown guest

      :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Who actually watches the CFL?

      • SR

        This comment on a Toronto Raptors fan site? Tell me you were being sarcastic….

      • Nilanka15

        Saskatchewan.  That is all.

        • SR

          Saskatchewan – SK vs. TOR had 1.1 million viewers on Oct. 8 (highest rated CFL game this year).  The average Raptors game?  150,000-200,000, depending on the broadcaster.

          Don’t be a dope.

          That is all.

          • SR

            As an aside, I’ll take the NBA over the CFL 7 days of the week – but that doesn’t mean we have to look like we’re in grade 6 with such a basic ignorance of sports in this country.

            • SR

              Another addition (apologies) – if you think SK vs. TOR rated highly because TOR was playing, consider that TOR vs. CAL (July 7) had the lowest viewership this year – looks good for the Grey Cup, right?

              Don’t knock the prairies.  The prairies will kick your ass.

              • Nilanka15

                So….it took you three posts to tell me Saskatchewan likes their CFL football…

                …which is EXACTLY what I said above.

                Well done, sir.

                • CJT

                  I for one am glad that we got that cleared up.

        • p00ka

          Actually, everywhere in the country except the centre of the universe.

          • Nilanka15

            The centre of the universe has better sports to offer 😛

            I just can’t get behind a league that doesn’t employ the best players in their respective sport, where it takes 6 months to decided which 75% of teams make the playoffs, and where games can be won on a missed field goal.

            • SR

              CFL averages 700 000 viewers per game, the Raptors 150 000-200 000.  That was the original point of discussion.

              I don’t really like the CFL either, but the irony of your opinion (as a Raptors fan criticizing the CFL) makes me chuckle…

              “I can’t get behind a league that doesn’t employ the best players” is honestly a comment in a Raptors vs. Magic game thread?  You just watched some of the worst professional basketball available on North American television, and this is your criticism of Canadian football?

              “75% of the teams make the playoffs” – honestly a lame feature of the CFL.  On the other hand, in 2011-12 the 37-45 Indiana Pacers made the NBA playoffs.  Just sayin’.

              “Games can be won on a missed field goal” – wait a minute, are you still talking about the CFL or did you just switch to basketball?

              • Nilanka15

                Why compare the CFL’s average TV viewship numbers to a single NBA team’s numbers?  You should be comparing league average to league average.  And why limit yourself to Canadian ratings?  How about world ratings?

            • p00ka

              So I suppose while people are gathering for parties, from coast to coast, and having a good time with family and friends during the 100th Grey Cup, you’ll be sitting in your smug chair, typing your complaints about the San Antonio game. Hope you enjoy your own little version of fun, because millions will be having a lot more fun ignoring Toronto snobbery.

  • Alb Perjet

    You know what I say: JOSE for Prime Minister of Canada. He will take care of the poor(3 A’s to McGuire), feed the sick ( 3A’s Bargnain since he can’t shoot efficiently), take care of his families (8 A’s to Kleiza, Amir, and Ed from the second unit) and support the wealthy ( 4 A’s to Derozan) without providing funding in defensive military efforts (if you don’t get this read above). I think he fits perfectly here in Canada. Start printing these shirts  (JOSE instead of Pedro- you get the point). 

  • enlightenment

    I dont think your critique on Calderons defense tonight is fair.

    For one, I think he kept up with his man consistently. He had some great close outs during the swing passes, had his hands up and never bit the fake!

    His penetration defense was not the best, and the PnR def was mediocre tonight. That also has to do with the bad hedges, but Calderon can be blamed for some of that.

    Definitely the fact that we kept the magic to under 80 with a minute left in the game proves that our defense was in fact very good. Calderon couldn’t have been the ‘matador’ we are used to, his negative impact defensively was negligible.

    I think He deserves a clean ‘A’ for skyrocketing his trade-value that past 5 games.

    • Deadallus

       I didn’t see the game but if his D was anything like it was against Utah when he was getting skewered and BBQ’d all at once, then let him have it.

  • ckh26

    We are 10 games in. Thought we would be better than 3-7 and could have been but the record is what the record is. JV pretty much on track with where he should be.
     
    BIG BIG issue here on the playing time for Ross. Usually the idea is to see what you have in your first round pick. So far he has been nailed to the bench. The only way you get experience is to… well…. get experience.  He’s no less clueless on defense than Barney and not outrageously poor on fouls.

    Any positions out there on why Ross’s playing time is what it is 10 games in ?

    • enlightenment

       Ross will average 10 more minutes then he is now by the end of the season. But its going to come very gradually. Wait for him to have a hot game, and an upward trend will begin!

    • FLUXLAND

      The kid is shook
      and the speed of the NBA is something he can’t get over. (He kept mentioning
      this during preseason games.) I’d say send him to the NBDL to raise his
      confidence, but he’s already on an NBDL team (I’m thinking that’s what FAQ must
      constantly be referring to with his developmental talk, while disregarding they all lack the mental part.)
      Also, his body language is beyond repulsive.

      • Nilanka15

        Agreed on the body language.  Every time a whistle is blown against him, it’s like his dog just died.

  • NyAlesund

    Am I the only the one who see AB do not explore his preferable positions to take a shot? He stays a lot on the arc instead on post up and the other position he prefers. In fact in the four quarter after timeout two catches in the right spot 4 points.

    This was his first decent game, hoping not the last one.

  • knickz

    how in the hell does amir and kleiza have a better grade than jose?

    • unknown guest

      I means Arse expects more from JC. Think of it as a compliment.

  • KuH

    Andrea had 19 FGAs (one quarter of his team’s), and scored 17 points.
    The Raptors had 80 FGAs.  At that ratio, they would score 71 points. 
    You don’t win many basketball games scoring 71 points.

    A B- is much too generous for shooting that poorly (37% in aggregate).  He should get a D for that.  Reserve the B grade for days when he shoots 50% … if ever!!

    P.S.  Compare and contrast:
    Andrea: 17 points, 19 FGAs (37% shooting)
    Amir:  15 points, 6 FGAs (83% shooting)
    That’s the difference between an A and a D, not an A and a B.

    • arsenalist

      Selective analysis.  Amir has been brutal in some games this year, like the two before this one.  I get what you’re saying about efficiency, but to put forth Amir Johnson as an example of it is not the right approach.  If you want to compare Bargnani with someone who is expected to take the same amount of shots, like DeRozan.  

      • Destro

        You’re grading the individual game and not the 10 games as an overview correct ?

      • KuH

        I’m just commenting on the grades for this game.

        And in this one game, Amir Johnson scored around the same amount as Andrea, which is why the comparison seems fair for this one game, at least.

        • Destro

          Dont sell urself short,Amir was better in every way,Bargnani wishes he was as efficient as Amir Johnson lol…

    • what the

      Take it easy on him.

    • RapthoseLeafs

       The difference between a B- and an A- game for Andrea, is about 4 bad shots.
      .

      • j bean

        Give anyone four extra buckets and take away four misses and it could be the difference between a bench player and an all-star. Give those buckets to JV and he is the ROY. So what is your point? AB’s ridiculously high number of misses per game is one of the biggest drags on this team and I think his grade was a little high. 

        • RapthoseLeafs

          I didn’t say he needed to make those 4 baskets). I meant he needed to pass the ball off, instead of taking those 4 shots.

          I have no idea what Andrea’s summer regiment was (as a follow-up to proper calf rest), but I do feel he’s still getting into shape. Casey mentioned he put 15 pounds on, whatever that implied. Suffice to say, he’s missed baskets tonight that were in the paint. He doesn’t need a Centre’s mass anymore. 

          Not trying to make excuses, but I feel Casey is playing him too much. 14 minutes to start this game, is not what I’d like to see. But since I’m not the Coach, it’s not my call.

          .

          As to being the biggest drag on this team, I really don’t expect Andrea’s fg% to stay around .350 or so. That being said, 82games has him with a +7.5 Net (On court/Off court), behind Anderson & Amir. That’s not counting the last 3 games (2 wins).  Maybe this is why Casey runs him like he does.

          .

          • Hound

            I totally agree with the question about his minutes. Against Boston, he starts well, gets tired at about the 8 minute mark, plays poorly for the rest of the quarter and then rides the bench until the 2 minute mark of the 2nd quarter. Same thing in the 3rd, plays the whole quarter.

            And today, he starts well and then plays a ridiculous 14 straight minutes. Why does Casey think he can run the floor, hedge hard, fight for rebounds, play physical and still have the legs for shooting 3’s when he is on the floor more than anybody else, exception being Calderon.

            I have to seriously question the coaching. The Utah game and the Indiana game, JV doesn’t hit the floor in the 4th and we just about lose both. Should of lost the Indiana game giving up 8 offensive rebounds in that quarter. We allowed them to go small by taking JV out. I get that he is a rookie, but the kid gloves are a bit ridiculous.

            Play Bargs 7 – 8 minutes at a stretch, with 4-6 between shifts. Demand the effort on D. Bargs would be more effective and the Raptors would be a better team.

            • NyAlesund

               I agree. Casey is not doing a great job on rotations. Sometime what he has done is incomprehensible.

    • CJT

      I totally agree with you analysis, but I think you also have to take a look at the timing of some of his plays as well.  He had a big block created a turnover and back to back baskets to help put the Raps back up for good when they were down 1.  He was a big part of that run despite being pretty useless in the 3rd quarter. 

  • Jamshid

    Jose has been great in the absence of Lowry. I feel bad for the guy because just 2 weeks ago, everyone wanted him out of the door and thought JLIII can replace him.

    • RapthoseLeafs

      Not everyone Jam. 

      The more I think about it, the more I believe Raps can duo Lowry & Jose at the same time – giving JC enough minutes to keep him happy. 

      Personally, I hope Jose resigns for a reasonable number, giving Raps a top PG tandem. 

      .

      • Alb Perjet

        Agree for JOSE to stay here (until retirement) the valuation is a bit rich at 10.56M. If he takes 7-8M range, it saves the team 2-3.5M to acquire other pieces… The problem is at that range of money (7-8M) he is being paid as much as a starter.My view: @ 6M Calderon is a steal for the next 2 yrs and at 1.5-3M until he retires.  

    • morons

      not everyone, just retards like destro

      • FLUXLAND

        umm, Jam is Destro and Thetruth and what the and a host of other handles.

        The scary part is dude’s actually having conversations with himself.

    • unknown guest

      JC has as big a following as AB–maybe bigger. I’m hoping he stays if nothing else for added insurance. 
      BC has a bad habit it seems of signing replacement starting PG’s who are either injure prone, chuckers, or both–I hope Lowry gets back. Plus if he can sign JC at 3 to a ceiling of 5 mill/yr, it’d be good to have a guy like that who will potentially be a Raptor lifer.
      A bench of JC+Kleiza+Amir could be pretty good.

    • knickz

       highlight watchers

    • CJT

      Just the same ones that have wanted him out the door for years.  The rest of us have always appreciated Jose for what he is and what he is not.

    • Nilanka15

      I don’t think many people want Jose “out the door” because they think he sucks.  But more because he could potentially improve this team as a trade chip.

      We’re all aware of what Jose does well, and what he doesn’t.  His recent play shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

      And although Lucas is struggling, if last year was any indication, he’s capable of playing the backup PG position relatively well.  With consistent minutes, I’m sure he’ll be fine.

      Either way, if Jose stays (best PG tandem in the league) or goes (trade asset = improved team), the raps should be fine going forward.

  • Jon

    3/14 from three after their 4/4 start, little bit deceiving

    • Destro

      Whats deceiving about 7/19 from your starting PF ?
      Its horrible anyway you look at it…

  • Tyson

    This win was sorely needed and we got it — mainly because of the play of Jose. The raptors cant afford to trade him unless they can guarantee Lowry wont get hurt and I’m not gonna bet on that.

  • j bean

    After Orlando came back and took the lead Amir had a fantastic quarter of ball to ensure a Raptors win. Other than that it could have been another loss to a not very good team but a win is a win. 
    JN couldn’t get his shot to go and that balanced out all the misses by AB.

  • unknown guest

    Bargs is productive in spurts and when motivated. The questions isn’t if he should start or come off the bench, but to play him with an eye kept on his motor. If his conditioning was up to par to his talent level, he’d be playing a lot more like he did during his famous/infamous stretch last years.

    • CJT

      Isn’t there a whole thread dedicated to this?

      • unknown guest

        Damn, missed it (no sarcasm, I just didn’t see it, thanks!)

  • what the

    HOLEE SH=T !  so we beat a struggling Magic team and all of a sudden Dribbles is the heart and soul of the Raptors…I can’t wait until we play the Bobcats or the Wiz and beat them with AB13 having one of his 13 game thingy , guys it’s been 7 years . soon we will be hearing how Kyle should come off the bench and the AB13 backsliders calling him the best player after we beat the CATS come on .

    • Lorenzo

       Calderon has always been the “heart and soul” of the Raptors and a fan favourite. All it takes is a couple of bad games to prove people like you otherwise.

      • what the

        It’s playoff time! soon pound crack will be saying shit like we’ve Nash and Dirk on this team.

        • Lorenzo

           What the fuck are you saying?

          • Afimi Sinting

            AB13 and Dribbles gots to go, I’ve seen this movie before and so have you, here is a clip from movie “oh dribbles is playing so well lets bring Kyle/TJ/Jack off the bench” fuck that it’s gonna be 8 years soon,you guys like watching reruns… listen to this coach talking shit bout Dribbles is the heart and soul of this team we need a heart transplant.

            • Gillees

              I don’t think anyone has suggested that Jose will subplant KL as the starting PG, just that he is a good PG in the league and having him on your team is an asset.

        • FLUXLAND

           Destro.

  • OvertheWall

    I don’t think that this girl, Andrea, can even make an impact in the D-league.  Why is he up here again?  Oh yea, because Colangelo still wants him to develop and be a mismatch nightmare for the opponent.  Just waive this guy already!!  7 years and numero 7 still sucks balls.

    • FLUXLAND

       Destro.

      • Alb Perjet

        FLUX I think we found the word for any of the raptor trolls. 

      • Afimi Sinting

        FUCKLAND IS FAQ