Toronto Raptors 90 FinalRecap | Box Score 91 Detroit Pistons
Dominic McGuire, SF 21 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 0 PTS | -8Ugly on O, ugly on D. He’s getting exposed with extended minutes – Tayshaun Prince ate him for breakfast early in the game and then with a jump hook late.
Andrea Bargnani, C 38 MIN | 13-20 FG | 5-6 FT | 5 REB | 4 AST | 34 PTS | -3After all the talk the past couple of weeks, Andrea responded to the haters with his best overall game of the season. His hot shooting was the only reason the Pistons didn’t blow the game open in the first half, and besides some expected defensive issues (recovering when he hedged out to help the hapless Raptor wings in the zone) he gave an excellent effort on both ends of the floor. I wish Lowry looked for him for the final shot, but it’s not like the Raps had time to set up a play. Great game from Bargs tonight.
Jonas Valanciunas, C 31 MIN | 3-6 FG | 3-4 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | -7The kid has the heart of a lion and I’m glad the ankle injury doesn’t appear serious – but he got abused by Andre Drummond late in the game (3 offensive boards in 3 trips at one point). Pre-injury, he was having a pretty solid game, showing off a variety of moves in the low post and doing his best to contend with Detroit’s big men in the midst of some ugly team rotations. Got caught in a lot of 2-on-1 situations through no fault of his own.
Kyle Lowry, PG 32 MIN | 6-17 FG | 5-7 FT | 6 REB | 5 AST | 19 PTS | -2Very slow start but turned things up in the second half, keying a Raptor run after the Pistons threatened to put the game away in the third. Both he and DeMar seemed hesitant to take the ball to the hoop until the second half, but when he started to do that it opened up the rest of his offensive game as well. Seemed to be holding his ankle late in the fourth but I still have no idea why he was coming out on the offense/defence switches instead of Kleiza.
DeMar DeRozan, SG 34 MIN | 2-9 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 5 PTS | -5It seemed like fatigue from big minutes to start the season may be catching up to DeMar, who submitted a really rough performance tonight, forcing up shots and looking sluggish on D. Hit a couple of nice hook shots in the lane in the 3rd quarter to save himself from an F, but it was telling that the team wasn’t even looking his way when they needed buckets at the end of the game.
Ed Davis, PF 10 MIN | 3-5 FG | 3-3 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | +2Only 10 minutes of work but they were key minutes, and his effort on both ends was evident tonight. Played solid D on Greg Monroe early in the 4th quarter, and his hustle on the offensive glass was key in the bench’s late 3rd/early 4th surge.
Amir Johnson, PF 17 MIN | 2-4 FG | 1-1 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 5 PTS | +6Good game from Amir, who did all the little things that didn’t show up in the stat line. The Raptors dismal zone D in the first half would have been even worse if it weren’t for Amir, who battled hard with both Monroe and Drummond even when outmanned. Made some good decisions in the low post on the offensive end, particularly when Drummond was on him – he was able to use his speed advantage to get to the rim and/or find open looks for his teammates.
Linas Kleiza, SF 24 MIN | 2-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 4 PTS | 0Had a couple of nice post-ups on Kyle Singler in the fourth, but for the most part was ineffective offensively – which was made doubly an issue, because he was a total sieve defensively tonight, getting blown-by by Cory Maggette regularly. It’s only because of McGuire’s futility that he was getting minutes late in the game.
Jose Calderon, PG 16 MIN | 1-2 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 5 PTS | +5Not the most impressive stat line but, besides that, a typical Jose game, playing efficient basketball on the offensive end and hitting a big 3 to get the team over the hump and give them the lead in the fourth. Was also one of the few Raptor wings to not look totally lost in their zone – totally swallowed up Will Bynum when he was out there.
Terrence Ross, SG 17 MIN | 0-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | +7Tough one for Ross, who found his shots within the offensive flow and didn’t seem to force anything, but just couldn’t hit. Looked a bit lost when the team was playing in a zone, but, to be fair, so did every other wing on the team. Seemed much more comfortable in man situations.

Five Things We Saw

  1. The tough road schedule seemed to come back to bite the Raptors tonight, as the team (minus Bargnani) looked sluggish out of the gate. Forcing up jump shots and being late on defensive rotations are hallmarks of a tired team, and it was only because of the calibre of the opposition that the Raptors were even able to keep the game close into the second half.
  2. I know I spoke about Andrea with his grade, and I’ll elaborate more tomorrow in my longer post-game, but he was excellent tonight. Getting “his” right out of the gate seemed to invigorate him, and he was spot on with his offensive game, working hard on the glass, and passable on defence (which is more than most of the team could say until the fourth). Don’t get me wrong, he was still doing Bargnani things – jacking the shot up early in the clock, not always looking for his teammates – but when your shot’s falling, that goes from a negative to a positive, and he hit some IMPOSSIBLE shots tonight.
  3. In no game were our difficulties at the 3 more evident than tonight, and that’s saying something. McGuire, Kleiza and Ross all got their turns, and were all ineffective on both ends of the floor, for the most part. If Casey’s really that averse to trying unconventional lineups to fill that gap (I was praying for him to try Bargs there for stretches tonight), I’ll be the first to say I’m crossing my fingers for Fields’ return (yes, things are that dire).
  4. Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond will both come away from this game from impressive stat lines, but that wasn’t due to the effort from our bigs on defence. The Raptors played in a soft zone for the better part of the first 3 quarters of the game, and slow rotations by our wings allowed the Pistons to take advantage of a Raptor big coming out to help (usually Bargnani) and then finding a wide open forward in the low post. I don’t know if the zone was a way to combat our perceived strength deficiencies against Monroe, Maxiell, and Drummond, but the entire team looked more comfortable (and were more effective) in man-to-man sets.
  5. 3 road games, 3 blown fourth quarter leads. The Raps had all the opportunities in the world to win the game tonight, but just couldn’t get a stop when it mattered most. Lowry gets some reprieve on his last-second heave as the whole offensive unit was just standing around and time was short, but this team needs to have a plan closing out games if they want to turn their season around before it’s too late. Usually, we have an alpha-dog issue late in the game but not tonight – it was clearly Bargs – but the entire team, coaches and players, didn’t seem prepared for the Pistons to take the lead, and they paid the price. You have to hope that some of these things will come along as the season plays out, but 3 close losses is a tough pill to swallow.

  • N A Tate

    b- for my boy jose? dude barly seen the court tonight

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      3-10 is this what the Trianio head coaching era was preparing up for? 

      By the time the schedule turns in the Raptors favor (I have heard this one before smh) in January they could win 5 in a row and still be 10 games under .500.

      Drummond & Val now that’s a real rebuild I could have gotten behind.

      BC passed on ADrummond because he didn’t like his mental make up???smh

      BC traded away a future Lottery pick for a player in Lowry that Houston wasn’t going to bring back anyways- wow.

      AB shot the ball well tonite but he still left his partnered C to fight 2 bigs by themselves most of the time he was on the court.

      I can’t tell you how many times tonite AB ran the floor and stopped outside or just inside of the 3pt line in transition like the 3pt line is kryptonite.

      I’m just tired of watching AB (Jose too) is a Raptors uniform going on 7 season now he needs to be traded ASAP while his shot is falling and before he reverts back to his half ass self.

      Bargnani had his best game of the season (13 games into it) and the Raptors lost………….I can’t wait for Bargnani to reach his full potential he’s still young.lol

      • NyAlesund

         “Bargnani had his best game of the season (13 games into it) and the Raptors lost”

        Do you know why?

        DeRozan 5 points in 34 minutes
        Lowery 19 points with a huge 6/17 and consistent plays in crunch time
        the others 11/34 combined for 32 points

        Bargnani’s fault

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          So the game that King Bargs (who arrived into camp woefully out of shape yet Casey covered for him saying that he was bigger & stronger- enabling his half ass self) decides to show up and be efficient on offense while exerting effort on defense (probably motivated by the non call in Charlotte) no one else is allowed to have an off game in AB’s (all hail the king) season 7 breakout game?

          As good as AB (all hail the king) shot the ball he was still slow on many rotations which resulted in dunks & lay ups plus he was leaving Val/Amir/Ed to battle under the boards against 2 Pistons bigs while he skirted along the perimeter most of the time he was in the game.

          Bargnani (all hail the king) is the leader of this team he’s the one BC is building around DD (Lowry too) is a compliment to AB (all hail the king) not the other way around not to mention DD came into the NBA with no J or handles and has improved in those areas but just like AB (all hail the king) he’s being coddled as his defensive efforts are inconsistent for someone with his athletic ability & understanding of the game.

          2 rebs per quarter anyone? Or is it now just box out? How low do we have to lower the bar for BC’s illusion of AB’s (all hail the king) NBA greatness to pacify a segment of the ticket/mechandise buying fan base?

          A team is a direct reflection of its best player (s).

      • howlonghowlong

        Although you’re often too pessimistic with your posts, I do agree with you on this one.  BC has got to go!

        1) I’ll give credit where credit is due.  well done on drafting JV (that said he was slotted 3-6 most experts anyways and many thought he’d go 4th overall to Cavs).

        2) Why pass up on Drummond?  why are we drafting for need when we don’t have one allstar talent?  Draft the best player!!  BC passed-up on the next D’Andre Jordan (a worse case scenario).

        3)  BC has got to stop with this bullshit “rebuilding phase”, “building phase”, and now the “acceleration phase”.  The only thing we’re accelerating is our way back into another rebuild!!  Why on god’s earth did he think we can jump from being shit last year to a playoff team worthy of “making noise” with no allstar talent?  Instead of sticking with a rebuild plan the ways it’s supposed to be done he gave up a draft pick for lowry … he’s not an allstar!!!!  No one (aka Rockets) would given up an allstar talent for a pick like that.  Harden is an allstar and look at what he cost teams to get him.  BC is an idiot.  

        4) The fact that he was going after nash pissed me off too! what was that supposed to accomplish??? the guy is 37, our best talent (JV) is 20!!!  What was he thinking!  and now we’re stuck with Fields and his terrible contract.  Amir and Fields combine for 13.5 mil a year … that’s more than Al horford, J-smooth, Deng, Noah, Ibaka (post extension), Love, westbrook (over by 0.5 mil).  BC doesn’t get “talent” or “value”.

        5) AB – I don’t think he’s a ‘problem’ per se.  He has some talent and he has some value.  It’s how your use his talent and what you offer him for contract.  Compare Ryan Anderson to AB.  RA got a 4 year 34 mil (~8.5/year) he’s averaging 18p/8r in 33 min.  AB got a 5 year 55 mil (~11/year).  He’s averaging 19p/4.5r in 35 min.  RA come off the bench; AB is starting.  AB is just that, he’s at best a scoring option off the bench.  That’s his “talent” and his value is much less than what we’re paying him.  He is a defensive liability, because he plays 35 min a game.  Bargs should be a 24 min guy off the bench for a scoring punch from your ‘bigs’.  He’s not a starter.  So the whole “trade bargs” parade is fine by me because he’ll always be starter in TO.  He needs to got to SAS or BOS or LAC, where he comes off the bench.

        6) Derozan contract … now i’m just getting tired of typing.

        • NyAlesund

           I don’t think that AB would be a starter only in Toronto, but the comparison to Anderson is very interesting.

          I agree about the AJ and LF salaries’ are awful, otherwise I am wondering how much money Lowry is going to get at the end of the season. There is the risk for another big contract for one good player, not a star. If we consider AB and DD we don’t have one that really deserve the big money.

          Off course we have to wait for a while to understand if some contracts are good or not.

          Other issue is Casey and his “strange” rotations.

          Yesterday, he put on the floor a limping Val instead Amir or Ed. In those minutes Drummond dominated phisically the lituanian. Honestly I have seen him with bizzarre decisions, like someone not really in control of the situation.

          For example, in some cases has benched Val when he was on fire, benched Calderon without reason (yesterday only 15 minutes), some Ross DNP……….et cetera.

          • howlonghowlong

            yeah casey does have some strange rotations.  I’m not the biggest Aaron gray fan but i think he should’ve been in last night over JV post ankle sprain.

            I didn’t say AB would only start in TO … i just said he’ll always start in TO.

  • mike, prague

    Close but no cigar… Raps need last 5min specialist!
     

  • N A Tate

    i love the addittion of lowry but i see jack 2.0. guys who are could but they can’t run a team #freejose

    • enlightenment

       Im sorry but Lowry is 10x better than jack. Yes everytime he misses, it looks like he jacked up a bad shot, BUT! Lowry is more effective when he is aggressive on offense, and even if he misses, his confidence forces defenders to stay tight. Also, he is actually really effective at the step-up 3, which he usually doesnt flinch into, as he casually waits for his man to droop.
      It looks like a forced shot, but Lowry has proven he can hit it

      • Colinm

        wrong much worse on def -doesn’t distribute the ball w -is worse than jack chases ball so almost always back late downcourt-no court balance

  • Brandon

    Ball club is tremendously good at losing in the last minute or two.

  • Alb Perjet

    hhuuuhhhhhh… This hurt….

  • Jake

    Hey Destro your boy Demar aka Houdini did fuck all again tonight.

  • Dan

    Raptors suck so it’s their own fault. But that offensive goaltend not called in a 1 point win really is frustrating. Seeing Drummond out play most of the Raptors just makes it harder to understand how Bryan is still the gm of this team. He is the first one that needs to go before this team can get better.

  • voy

    – that missed in the cylinder call was brutal
     
    -just as a general observation, its tough to win when you’re giving up baskets 3ft away from the bucket and we’re trying to facilitate offense with a 7fter from the perimeter; I’m not blaming andrea for tonight, or any of the losses this season, just making an observation that struck me as detroit was punching it in with prince to keep pace with us late in the game
     
    – kl didn’t play well for 60% of the game and clearly didn’t make good decisions during the last minute; still, relax with the mike james comparisons
     
    – i wouldn’t mind seeing t.ross try and get some easier baskets; maybe drive a little instead of taking 80% of this shots deep.
     

  • RapM

    …at least were one more game closer to firing BC.

  • Dc

    Worse team in the league here we come. I mean we just lost to the bobcats and the pistons in a row. Im sorry this Raptors team is one of the worst teams in the league not gonna win many games this year and I never even had my hopes up for this team. But I sure as hell thought they would at least hover around .500. No this team will continue to be the laughining stock of the league until BC is gone and someone who really wants to rebuild this team with an actual plan takes over, they will continue to be bottom 10 in the league. 

  • Dan

    Ross I thought looked good on D. Lowry again when they were up three or 4 with about 2 or 3 minutes left jacked up a three early in the shot clock with no raptors even in the paint yet. His gambles on defense allowed knight to hit the three get by him on the final basket, and i forget who it was he put on the line for two. He is the reason they had a chance to be in the game but a big reason they lost. Somebody needs to find a way mix lowry and jose together. If Jose were more aggressive or Lowry played it a bit more safe the raps would have a great pg instead of two good ones.

  • FAQ

    Lowery is Shit..!!!!

    In the last 4 minutes of the game he became the streetballing ballhog.  His PG IQ is in the single digits. He was ineffective and running scared.  Lowery is destroying Casey with his shitty PG play.  His passing skills are weak weak weak. If Lowery doesn’t score a lot, he becomes a zero.  Jose should have finished the game at PG…. NOT Lowery!!!!!

    • knickz

       like the guy but he’s jarrett jack 2.0. guys just hate jose a lot so they will say things like john lucas is better than jose. we needed a sf instead of a pg

      • Colinm

        jack and bayless weren’t as good scorers but better defenders and soo much smarter

    • Jamshid

      Be afraid, very afraid because next year, BC is going to Max this guy OUT !!!
      Mark my word !!

      • knickz

         i seen some clowns on another site suggesting bc should on give him the max. stuff like that is why i just read instead of posting nowadays

      • FAQ

        No doubt that’s why he welcomed the trade to TO…. he knew he could max out his earnings as his career grinds to a halt.  Alternatively, if BC only moderately extends Lowery’s contract, Kyle is hoping his pyrotechnic antics playing PG for the lowly Raptors will get him better offers after next season when he is an UFA.  Lowery is just not an intelligent PG, and the t.h.fans are only enamoured with him ’cause he trow da ball in de hol alot…..

      • Colinm

        nooooo.:(

      • WHAT THE

        and he should be

    • Scottbbaird

      It’s LOWRY

    • Colinm

      absolutely agree 

    • NyAlesund

      I hate this guy. Even DeRozan had the gut to delivery the ball in AB’s hands when he was in trouble.
      I agree with you about Calderon.

      Jamshid
      You’re absolute right.

  • Jamshid

    “Good game from Amir, who did all the little things that didn’t show up in the stat line.”

    LOL, All the things that did not show up !!! The only thing that did not show up is Amir to tonight’s game !! Our boy is taking his 4 game offs after one good game.

  • Retardshatebargs

    our racist fanbase is silent tonight….if demar played like andrea tonight the nuthuggers would be jumpin up n down with their clown dekobe bullcrap…and if bargs played like demar tonight itd be an epic racist meltdown……..our fanbase is a bunch of racist punks….i want bargs traded to get him away from these dumb monkeys.

    demar,kleiza,ross and mcguire….2 of 24 and lowry ballin like mike james………….but demar,lol.young guns yo.

    • RapM

      I want bargs to be traded too…but I’ll say he was good tonight.

      • NyAlesund

         Even him……..

      • WHAT THE

        Cesco look out for the backslider cause AB13 is back!!

    • knickz

      bargs is gifted but he plays with no effort, think thats what gets fans like meme upset

      • Retardshatebargs

         Our last 2 games were against Charlotte and Detroit..and Derozan
        completely disappeared…These are 2 games that you should be filling up
        the stat sheet, and he was invisible.

      • NyAlesund

         Bargs played with no effort………….really…………….yesterday………….?

        • The Truth

           That is what makes him even more frustrating. Game after game of not appearing to give a fuck and then oh hey guys 35 pts what up.

          • NyAlesund

             I have seen some improvements from him in the last three games. Hopefully he is starting to play like last year. We need this AB, consistent on both side of the floor.

            • Hound

              I concur. What amazes me about this site, is there are so many haters, that get mad when Bargs plays good! Really not Raptor/Basketball fans, just angry people.

            • WHAT THE

              ab13

    • Arsenalist

      > our racist fanbase is silent tonight
      Love it.  Rap of the Day.

      • FAQ

        Just look at those portraits…. crackers and pinheads…. LOL

    • Ihatehaters

      What a goof.

    • FAQ

      T.H.F.’s ….???!!!!!

    • enlightenment

       Im sorry, but Demar has a much longer leash than Bargnani when it comes to the hostility of a bad game.

      Let Demar hit us with 7 years of lazyness, and then maybe this fan base will start calling for his head after games like this! Until then, we love seeing his great games showing his potential, and still have the patience to accept his bad games.

      Dont just call us racist, there are legitimate reasons to give Bargnani different expectations.

      • mountio

        racism is clearly not the reason, but there is no doubt AB gets it waaaaaay worse than anyone else here.
        Against charlotte, people screaming bloody murder as DD takes it to the rim .. but AB misses the last shot (and gets fouled pretty obviously.. every one is like lazy mofo should have made the shot
        Ill be the first to admit, hes been shit all year (very bad” but he was very good last night. give him props

    • howlonghowlong

      don’t bring race into this … i’ll take Gallinari-bargs trade.  both white and italian.

      • p00ka

        Yup, brilliant example of just how constant self-entitled whining can make the little kiddies stupid. Sure, trade AB for someone who is a less efficient scorer, and who rebounds less. DOH. We need to cull the herd, or snip the little buggers so they can’t produce more.

        • howlonghowlong

          you’re an idiot …  First off, I’d rather not have neither but I was illustrating the point that it’s not about race.  i.e., it’s not the fact that AB is white and italian that’s the problem and to prove the point i’d rather take another white italian over him.

          “less efficient scorer” 
          As per HoopsDATA (2011-2012):
          DG –  TS% 56.3%    /  AB  TS% – 53.8%  (DG > AB)
          DG –  eFG%  47.9%   /  AB eFG% 46.7&   (DG > AB)

          “who rebounds less”
          AS per NBA.com (2012-2013)
          DG – Rpg  6.4    /  AB  Rpg  4.5  (DG > AB)
          So SF out-rebounding a PF.

          So you’re dumb ass would rather keep AB instead of replacing Fields/Anderson/Klieza/McGuire.

          Again, you’re idiot.  In contrast, I’d rather not snip your “little buggers” as they provide entertainment for the rest of us.

  • Dbobb28

    Pass the ball Kyle. Pass the ball Kyle. Pass the damn ball Kyle! 3 possessions, zero touches for the hot shooter on the night (Andrea). Oh wait, zero touches for anybody but Kyle in the last three possessions. Selfish, selfish, selfish!
      I’m amazed at Dwayne Casey’s lack of creativity or ability to call a play to win a game. It’s brutal. 

    • Jamshid

      You can not ask an alpha dog to play like a loving kitten !!! Kyle Lowry is like WestBrooks. He is NOT a pass first point Guard and he wants to be THE MAN !! Herd knew that, embraced that and called him the leader after 2 games. 

      • sangaman

        Alpha HOG..Pass the fucking ball..Lowery is another Mike James and the raps are doomed. THis guy will keep jacking up contested threes until the end of the season. Bring back Jarrett Jack and James JOhnson please!  

      • NyAlesund

        I agree. Unfortunately he is a bad version of Westbrook.

      • WHAT THE

        “he wants to be the man” an so he should be, what?

    • NyAlesund

       I said after the previous game, Lowry is an idiot. I can’t stand to see him doing bad job. In 46 seconds the only one has touch the ball was him. I don’t want to say that Bargs deserves the last shot, but it is possible to see the team not involved in at all? The ball in Lowry hands and finish the story.

      He has guts, he has a good mentality but for Christ sake, he has bad decisions that cost us another painful lost.

      I want to see the yes man (Casey) what kind of decision is going to take.

      • The Truth

         I hate on Bargs for his inconsistency with the best of them but last night he was the only Raptor on the court who was hitting his shot with any regularity. You *have* to get the ball to him in that situation.

        • NyAlesund

           I agree. Listen what Casey said about Lowry.

        • sangaman

          Bargs is still recovering from his calf injury as he took a long time to heal with little playing time duing the absence….His “inconsistency” is just that..recovery.  THis guy has been a consistent improving scorer during his entire career. His individual defense is average to good and his passing is excellent. He blocks out well and cedes rebounds to the stats hounds that fill the raps lineup. Hes not perfect but a solid player with all star potential if he had some drive and dish guards (Like nash) to play with. We dont need a Lowery.

          • WHAT THE

            ab13

      • Hound

        The problem with all these types of guards, is there insecurity that THEY have to be the MAN. They must of been beat as children. On the last play, after the first dribble, Amir’s man rolled to him and Amir was wide open (4.3) on the clock. From there Amir could of shot from the top of the key (a place where he has been very consistent when wide open) or if someone rotates, lots of time to swing the ball to Bargs.

        Lowry clearly decided to take the last regardless of the team. We can not win with that mentality. Nobody ever has, nobody ever will. If Casey can’t put a stop to this in the next 10 games, we are fucked.

  • Jamshid

    So far the season and the record is exactly as I thought. At this rate, we are destined to win 25 game this season. I think our win rate will increase and we will finish by around 30 which was my prediction 5 month ago when the herd and Matt52 were talking about play off and …

    • knickz

       thank you! we were projected to win 31 games i think, don’t know why ppl are mad

      • Jamshid

        Because this team was hyped up by bunch of mouth pieces for BC over the summer. We have 2 rookies, 8 new players and … We should not expect more from this team than 30-33 wins this season …

    • Ihatehaters

      Want a cookie?

      • p00ka

        ding! ding! ding! now that’s the rap of the day, lol

      • Jamshid

        No, thanks. I got my cookies from Pooka’s Mom.

    • Matt52

       Competing for playoffs.

      But I was wrong on that account too so it is kind of irrelevant.

  • RapM

    I miss preseason…

    • knickz

       guess we were the only team acually trying inpresaeson

  • Lorenzo

    Ed is a really good rebounder. Seriously. Give this guy 35 mintes a game and he’ll average 10+ boards a game guaranteed.

    • Hound

      Yep, and score 10 points and clog up the middle on JV, not be able to pass out of the double team, not be able to defend a small 4, but he will steal boards from JV and others. Just think what he could do in the D-League

  • Khush Bhuller

    This team is not going anywhere for a long long long time, until the front office learns how to draft players properly. There are not going to be any top free agent signings here….The only way to become good is through drafting.

    • WHAT THE

      like AB13

  • Jamshid

    Lakers are struggling and Kobe is not happy with Gasol :
    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-wonders-pau-gasol-might-coasting-little-141026796–nba.html

    Couple more good games from AB and Raptor fans might get their wish through this trade:

    LA: AB, Jose and Ross
    Raptors: Gasol and Blake

    This makes sense for Lakers as they get a shooter, a back up PG and young talent.
    It makes sense for us, since we get rid of AB and Jose …

    • ad

       I would do that in a sec. Gasol at his age is a bad fit for this roster but I dont care. Just to get rid of bargs and calderon who are poster boys of this current No D raptors era. Hell, can we throw in BC in the deal too? No way he is the GM past this season the way this campaign is unravelling and rightfully so.

      • NyAlesund

         Gasol for AB. Good. The first is younger and cheaper than the second, that obviously hates the idea to stay in Toronto. Really a good trade……

        Instead of talking about AB why don’t we talking about the way to pick a really pg with a decent basketball IQ and a reliable SF?

        • WHAT THE

          NO! first thing first, the AB13 and Dribbles thingy “gotsto” be taken care of 

    • Sansonenrico

      it makes sense for AB and Jose, since they get rid of you

    • Matt52

       So the Raptors pick up an older and more expensive player in Gasol.  Add $14M to the payroll for next season.  Give away a solid prospect.  Save LAL $21M dollars this year and $40M next year.  Maybe the Raps could fly out to LA and perform obscene acts just to make sure they really are humiliated.

      No.

      Bargnani and one of Kleiza/Fields (LF & D’A reunion) absolutely. 

      • Jamshid

        That will not happen !!! LA needs to win NOW and neither LF or LK will help them to win. Calderon will be a huge upgrade on Blake and expiring contract.
        At this moment, Gasol is a better player than AB. AB has been exposed and Toronto fans are making their best to even reduce his value even more …
        So the ONLY way you can balance losing Gasol to AB is via an upgrade on Blake and getting a young Guy like Ross who can “maybe” play good under D’A system !! and Also, giving LA some future Financial flexibility.

        Even with the above, I am not sure if LA will go for it. Looking at ur roaster, after 7 years of being in a rebuild, we have no real young and cheap assets to trade.

        I am sure teams like Rockets and … have much better packages for a guy like Gasol.

        • Matt52

          No, it probably won’t happen.  Never meant to imply it would. 

          I was giving a deal from Toronto’s perspective that would work for Toronto.  Because a deal works for LAL doesn’t mean the Raptors should do it… or vice versa.

          I want Bargnani gone as much as anyone but I don’t want to give away a young asset and handcuff myself financially to do it.

          Bargnani/Fields for Gasol is unlikely but you have a player in Bargnani who fits D’Antoni better than Gasol and there is a player in Fields who already knows how to play D’Antoni’s system.  We’ll find out what Fields value really is upon his return.  For the life of me I can’t see him being as bad as what he has shown.

          #tradeBargnani #freeRaptorfans

  • KuH

    I blew up on Bargnani’s B when he was an inefficient scorer a few games back (he’s turning that round well), so to be fair I should point out that Lowry – at 6-17 deserves at best a C.

  • Retardshatebargs

     ….im still waiting on the outrage on how bad demar was tonight…..jesus…just imagine bargs played that bad even once.

    • Dc

      Shutup dumb bitch you bargs, nuthugger. Dude is the softest 7 footer in the league. Stop hyping him up by scoring on the worst teams in the league with no big men. If bargs is the best player on the team like you say. Then why did we just lose to both of the worst teams in the league. What’s that say about him? Fucking clown. 7 years of shitty play vs. 2 games (if you even want to call them good, still lost). 

      • Eurofan9

        “softest 7 footer in the league”? If you had to have 1/5 of the bashing and shoving that he does (like most bigs in NBA) even in his worse games (try watch for a change), you’de running home to mommy to wipe your tears from your eyes and snot from your face. You no idea what your talking about. AHole. 

        • Dc

          NO I wouldn’t dumb fuck. Instead of worrying about the fans bashing me I would man up and try to prove them wrong. And O i dont know work on his horrid defense, or study defensive rotations, or Idk actually trying to average more then 5 boards for a 7 footer. Im sorry all the pressure we have put on andrea all over the years. Who would expect to put pressure on a no1 overall pick whose game aint changed since he’s been a rookie. 

    • WHAT THE

      he’s like Obama, and so he should be

  • rc

    at least there’s no lockout.

    • Hound

      I’d welcome a lockout right now.

  • nba_socrates

    We need Andre Drummond, if they play him 30 mpg he would be ROY, but their coach is as inept as the raptors organisation

  • Canadian Paul

    Next 12 games: San Antonio, at Houston, at Memphis, Phoenix, at Denver, at Sacramento, at Utah, at Clippers, at Portland, Brooklyn, Dallas, Houston.

    Almost impossible to find a win in there. If we’re lucky, maybe 3-9.

    I’ve maintained that Colangelo will be fire after the Portland game with the Raptors at a record of 4-18 or 5-17. Good times!

    • Jamshid

      I agree … It is quite possible that we see a 6-19 record but again, firing BC is NOT the answer. This team has no assets to make any move now or in near future.

      • Canadian Paul

        Actually, it IS the answer. Think about it. Who have been the 2 players that have remained on the roster for the 7 years of BC’s reign?

      • WHAT THE

        what about AB13 and Dribbles ?

    • WHAT THE

      Fernandez and Belinilli would look in starting line up with AB13 ,Dribbles and Val

  • Ppellico

    only here, at this greatest enabling sight, can two centers esten up by th
    opposition bigs be given such a pass.

    Look, these weren’t Hall Of Famers here.

    They were just BIG.

    And they kicked our asses inside.

    B…really

    • WHAT THE

      and you want to know where was Gray?

  • Sewerfly

    Bargnani should of had 45 the way he was shooting it. Too many times they let their hottest shooter disappear for way too long. Can’t neglect the only reason you are in the game to get the other guys goin.

  • RaptorFan

    Everything happens for a reason…..it seems like the media, the true fans need a change and would like Andrea shipped out. FAQ seems to enjoy the status quo and actually thinks that we should ship out Andrea and Jose (for their sake). Regardless, we can’t have Jonas V fighting for rebounds against 2 BIGS every game.

    We Lost because of REBOUNDS…. We’ve seen it all year!!! Andrea’s points are good when he has it going, but shots don’t always fall! We need BIGS that can get us rebounds at the end of games!

    Are we not seeing a trend here??? The last INDIANA pacers game (which we won) – they had like 4 straight offensive rebounds…..Detroit used offensive rebounds to beat us.

    #FreeEDDavis (our best rebounder). Give him 30 minutes and he’ll give us 10-15 rebounds BOOK IT

    • The Truth

       Boxing out was a huge issue too. People whinge about the Drummond goal tend that went uncalled but ultimately he jumped through/over 3 of our guys to get that ball, he just wanted it more.

    • WHAT THE

      but who is going to spread the floor?

  • Matthew Nelson

    Those minutes are waaaay to distributed.

  • sonjagvrvd

    The grades or way too flattering for a raptors 3-10 team that  loses to a now 3-10 team, in the weaker conference.
     

  • Jay83

    when you say kept away from dumb monkeys we can clearly see who the racist is

  • Jay83

    the hate demar gets needs to be justified, is he an allstar no well atleast not yet but he has improved every year his been in the league. This guy was picked 9th and yet people hate on this guy like he was picked #1 “andrea” and since vince and tmac who have we had at the wing position thats been better ???????

  • Johngeorge94

    they need to hold a team meeting and straighten all this shit out