Milwaukee Bucks 107 Final
Recap | Box Score
96 Toronto Raptors
Ed Davis, PF 36 MIN | 8-12 FG | 4-7 FT | 12 REB | 2 AST | 20 PTS | +11

God-mode throughout the game, delivered whenever he was fed and hunted the offensive glass like a feral dog. There were stretches in this one where he had Dwight Howardish impact (Orlando version).

Amir Johnson, PF 44 MIN | 9-16 FG | 4-4 FT | 14 REB | 4 AST | 22 PTS | -6

Not to be out-done, he continued his strong form by having a perfect game for a “mobile” big man. Running the floor and delivering on rolls which started outside the elbow. He’s not just a guy you feel comfortable dumping to within 3 feet of the basket, but one that can get creative when finishing once in a while. The interplay with Davis was again great.

Landry Fields, SF 29 MIN | 1-5 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 3 PTS | -9

With Johnson and Davis making the boards theirs, there wasn’t a stat out there which would make his game look even remotely pleasant. Terrible defense in transition and half-court, and whenever he was matched up against Dunleavy, you feared the worst. This game showed that one you look past the glue-guy BS, just how little his actual basketball skill really is.

Jose Calderon, PG 31 MIN | 9-15 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 8 AST | 21 PTS | +2

Masterful whenever he was on the court and it’s too bad we couldn’t just play him for 48 minutes. He’s in-sync with the bigs in terms of passing and positioning, and when he sprinkles the game with his own offense, it becomes a model of efficiency and production. Even did a great job on Jenning defensively, forcing the latter to rely on his jumper than his drive.

DeMar DeRozan, SG 37 MIN | 7-19 FG | 9-10 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 23 PTS | +3

Weak game in my opinion, especially in the fourth when he had a few chances in the second half of the quarter to pull back the momentum lost in the first. Didn’t go at Ellis as I had hoped, not sure if it was a coaching thing or not, but in a pretty big game like this you need your supposed best player to lead the vanguard, not fiddle around with sorties. That should be him trying to take the game over in the fourth, not Anderson. And someone explain to me how Ellis manages to block his shot in a 1v1 situation in the fourth.

Quincy Acy, SF 13 MIN | 0-3 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | -20

He came, he saw, he -20’d. The Raptors need a backup center.

Kyle Lowry, PG 17 MIN | 0-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 6 AST | 0 PTS | -13

Brutal game and even his biggest fans must’ve been begging Casey to bench him when he was poisoning the offense with his brand of narrow-minded point guard play. Passing to his bigs only for three-second violations to ensue, getting trapped with the ball, picking up the dribble too early, and basically cajoling the offense into cardiac arrest. No idea why he got the PT to start the fourth, should’ve been a 1-minute stint at most. The Raptors basically lost a 20-point lead under his watch in the second quarter.

Alan Anderson, SG 29 MIN | 2-10 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 5 PTS | -14

Forget about the anemic offense, since I don’t expect much of him, what gets me is how he lost Dunleavy in the fourth and tried to play beyond his means. When you see 7 points in total off the bench for the team, unfortunately you have to look at his production first as he’s the guy slotted (unfairly) to produce.

Terrence Ross, SG 3 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -9

Three turnovers in three minutes which earned the ire of Casey and a seat on the bench. Forever. Not sure why he didn’t play in the fourth when Lowry was doing his thing, because at that point the floor needed spreading and Anderson wasn’t doing much. Our bench got slaughtered and one of our bench point-producers was shackled by the coach.

Dwane Casey

Sprinkled a zone to good use, but mismanaged Calderon’s PT and had Lowry playing a big opening stretch in the fourth quarter which kind of sunk the game for us. Ross should’ve played more and Fields less, considering we had trouble keeping Dunleavy in check and Ross can help in that regard with his quickness.

  • Jamshid

    “This game showed that one you look past the glue-guy BS, just how little his actual basketball skill really is.”

    It is funny how some Raptors Fans here were claiming that Fields is a starting caliber SF in this league just 2 weeks ago :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Its funny how you finally jump onto these boards to rip a player when he finally has a bad game. Where were you when Fields was decent these past few games?

      • Daniel

        Fields never had a decent game. He shouldn’t be in NBA let alone starting. He’s afraid to shoot which means we are playing 4-on-5 on offense. He’s not a lockdown defender so he’s not compensating for the lack of offense. He’s not contributing anything for us, we are playing him due to his contract which is the modus operandi of Colangelo’s tenure. This season injuries forced us to play a winning lineup, Colangelo and Casey had no contribution to our turnaround.
        Colangelo’s vision materialized in the starting lineup from the opening night: Lowry, Demar, Fields, Andrea and Jonas. After an atrocious 2-9 record and the famous “come hell or high water” moment from Casey, Lowry got injured and we had an 2-4 record with Jose starting. When Lowry came back, he got to start. After another 6 consecutive losses, the team ripped Lowry and Andrea’s style of play apart. Casey’s answer? He started Lowry and Bargnani with Portland. Lowry and Andrea got injured during that game and Jonas a little bit after. Finally Casey was forced to play the best lineup. Lowry has not been reinserted after coming back from the second injury (Casey would have lost the players) however Fields has been even though Pietrus is a much better defender.
        Injuries determined our fate and not some “change of heart” decisions from the management and coaching. Good luck in keeping Jose here and bringing All-Star FA’s in Toronto.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Fields has been decent with his rebounding and versatility to be able to play the 4 while we have Andrea and JV injured. His shooting is looking terrible right now, I’ll admit that, but we have obviously played better with him since he has been in the lineup. He isn’t a starting small forward in the NBA but he has outplayed Pietrus, who looks lost and hesitant everytime the ball is in his hands.

        • Jamshid

          Nicely Said … 

      • Doc

        Fields cannot score. Same thing happened in NY last year. Nice guy, ok defender. Cannot score.

      • Jamshid

        Wrong !!! I have been on Fields case from the day one. I always thought he was over paid and is nothing but a 9th or 10th guy off the bench. You are more than welcome to check all my post on this subject.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          I’m not saying that you haven’t been stating that Fields is shit or overpaid. It is that I hate when people come onto boards to rip on him when he has a bad game and when he has a decent game, like the double double game he had, you have nothing to say. This was a team loss, where not just one player was the reason for the loss.

  • Jamshid

    “he was poisoning the offense with his brand of narrow-minded point guard play”
    There was a reason why he was traded. He can not handle playing from the bench. Some of his fans are suggesting that he should start now :) because we are talking about trading Jose and Lowry has learnt his lesson !!! Where is the logic in that ??!!

  • Jamshid

    “how he lost Dunleavy in the fourth and tried to play beyond his means.”
    All I can say about Anderson is that I hope BC does not make the same mistake as he did with Moon. Handing this guy a long term contract this summer will be a disaster. 

    • Adriiian

      2 years, 2.2 million. (That’s 1.1/year) 

    • Joe

      Where are your daily Amir hating comments?

      • Adriiian

        Sorry, did I give you that impression? I’m a big fan of Amir…

      • Jamshid

        When the guy plays good, he is not going to get criticized !!! It is this simple. As far as Amir goes, I be impressed with his performance if he keeps this up for more than handful of games.
        Consistency is what separate a good player from a rotational bench player. 

        • Wat the

          would 13 games be enough sir ?

  • wes mantooth

    benching ross, resting davis for too long in fourth and leaving lowry out there once it was established that he didnt show up tonite is why we lost! 
    our bench was awful and ross is a huge part of the bench! terrible! casey blew this game!!

  • Beagle17

    So maybe Lucas should have been played over Lowry if we’re going to second guess Casey. Calderone had already hurt himelf in the game and overplaying him due to Lowry’s bad mood or whatever might not have been the best idea in my opinion. But it might have helped, sure.

    • wes manthooth

      yes try lucas. if you’re gonna try acy in crucial minutes in the fourth then you should be willing to try anything. acy was awful in the fourth. also ROSS! 2 of those three turnovers came from him trying to be aggressive, which was a good look.

      • arsenalist

        I don’t understand how Casey can take a look at Ross’s three minutes and extrapolate that to be his performance for the night.  The guy has been playing well, got off to a rough start in terms of turnovers, and was thrown in the doghouse when we needed someone like him to defend Ellis or keep up in transition with Jennings, Dunleavy…weird how Casey does not make best use of his resources.

        • mountio

          agree 100% with this. The most puzzling thing of the day. Ross was BAD, dont get me wrong .. but 3 mins? Throw him back in in the 2nd half when we were struggling to get something going. Not to mention his confidence .. he needs to know hes gonna get consistent minutes nightly … 

          • What tbe

            thats how Casey treats his “boy” none of this AB13 and BC love and pampering that has being going on for the last 6 years. Good job , now the coach shouldn’t even talk to TR for two days like Sam did to AB13 back in the day i’ll bet you TR dosen’t mess up like that again.

        • BCBargnaniJoseCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Not to mention that BC dogged him out again calling him inconsistent instead of talking about how much he has progressed and has caused alot of the people who questioned the draft pick on draft nite to reconsider their initial thoughts that he was a reach at #8.

          I get the feeling that TRoss MAY be moved by BC in a potential larger trade as an enticing throw in- time will tell….

          #PlayTRoss

          • daxel

            When did BC dog him out “again”? Did B.C. have another on-air interview during the game? (I was out listening to it on the radio in my car)

            If that’s true, BC is a bit of a snake. Hate guys like that.  The kind of guy that won’t get fired (like Brian Burke) because he dresses the part and knows how to play the corporate game.  But the first chance he gets, he’ll STAB you in the back.

            I’m not trying to exaggerate this situation.  But how can you openly criticize players like Ed Davis and Terrence Ross and not do so for a player like Bargnani when he was clearly bad in the first quarter of the season? Instead, on all the media appearances he did, he steadfastly defended Bargnani.

            It’s pretty obvious to me that this guy is entirely control of the basketball side of things in this organization because I can bet that there is nobody on that board that is confident in their knowledge of basketball to do to Colangelo what they did to Burke.

            • mountio

              yes – BC had another on air interview. Not quite as critical as last time (and tried to back track on his implied slamming of the coaching staff from last time). But, when he got to Ross today, his words were all about inconsistency .. when they should clearly have been about how well T Ross has played. Very illogical, since it makes him look better for the pick and would presumably be the better marketing move for the team (ie to get the fans excited about T ROss) .. just weird to me. 

              • daxel

                That’s another thing.  It seems illogical for a GM to slam his own players since that would inherently lower their value on the trade market.  I mean, why try like hell to maintain/replenish the perceived value of one player (i.e Bargnani) but then simultaneously lower the perceived value of another (i.e. Ross and, before, Davis)?!

                To his credit, he did go on record as saying that “this is not a talent issue but a lack of focus and attention to detail issue”.  But if you are going to then implicitly or explicitly bash specific players, then that is indeed weird.

                Man, there’s something about BC that bothers me.

          • DumbassKicker

            To you and the clowns supporting your stupidity here:

            1) what did he say, and in response to what question?
            2) Has he not been inconsistent, as most rookies are? So, it’s the truth, right?
            3) BC comes under a lot of criticism for spin doctoring, yet the same people dump on him for telling the truth in a minor criticism. Fn clowns
            4) In your mind, is T Ross a player that BC should coddle?

            • daxel

              That last point is the bigger picture I’m pitching my wagon to.

              Sure, Ross is a rookie and there’s always room for improvement.  But WHY steadfastly and adamantly defend one player on ALL your media appearances NO MATTER WHAT QUESTION YOU ARE ASKED but then be unreserved in criticizing other players regardless of whether it’s the true or not?

              It’s the coddling of one particular player (and you know who that is) that is part of the bigger picture problem.  If BC is trying to light a fire under his players then that makes sense.  But if you blatantly don’t want to do that for a particular player because you believe he’s SOFT then that is hugely contradictory to the what you are trying to preach to your other players.  

              Think bigger picture here, buddy. Bargnani should have been treated like a man from the get-go and if he couldn’t take it (as Sam Mitchell reported), the GM should have been shrewd enough to move him.  

              I’m sure you’d be fucking pissed if every co-worker you had was treated like a slave by your boss except for ONE person that not only was spoiled but is also promoted over others who deserve it.

              • DumbassKicker

                The conversation isn’t about Bargnani, so let’s stick to t Ross.
                1. Has he been really inconsistent? Yes.
                2. Is that such a condemning assessment that fans should be up in arms over? lol, hardly

        • Roarque

          Did you hear Brian dis the rook again when he was interviewed by Rod Black? Perhaps Brian has convinced himself that a bad cop good cop approach is needed for TRoss and Brian has decided that he wants to be the bad cop.

        • DumbassKicker

          Do you know if he was nursing an injury?
          Do you know if he was weakened by effects of a flu bug or something?
          Do you know how he responded to coach when he was spoken to upon being pulled for horrid play?

          If you don’t know the answer to these questions, then you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, do you?

          • CJT

            not only this, but if Ross did something contrary to directions given by casey about a play call or something, that might be another reason to sit him.  We simply don’t know what the facts are.

        • Hound

          Casey is an old school coach when it comes to vets/rookies. He probably thought icing TR would be good for long term, as when TR came in he clearly wasn’t ready to play. Comments that TR and QA say, make me think that Casey just wants rookies to be beaten down first and then learn to play through adversity. It is why he wanted to hand the keys to the car to AB and KL come hell or high water. He would prefer to tie his can to veterans, not rooks.

          I don’t necessarily agree, but I think this is what he believes in.

    • arsenalist

      Hurt himself?  He played 31 minutes, we’re saying he should’ve played 34.  That’s it.  No reason to bring Lucas into the discussion, Lowry had shown through the first three quarters that he didn’t have it tonight and entering the crucial fourth you either a) start Jose, or b) keep Lowry in for 1-2 minutes, not 6.  This had an impact on the game, no doubt.

      • DumbassKicker

        So Jose’s injury (remember the ice pack?) was irrelevant?

  • FAQ

    Pudgy Lowry ……

  • ckh26

    Lots of venom to be spewed and rightfully so. We had them on the mat and we could have made them tap out but we let them up and ultimately lost the game in the 2nd quarter. This hurts a lot as its a game we had control of against the team we have reel in to get to the playoffs.

    Lowry did move the needle on the suckage meter… but thats not the only reason. Ross gave up the ball in non opportune moments, Fields offense was neglible (he is still missing layups) and we didn’t get the 3 balls from Anderson we usually get. 

    When the hole is as deep as it is after that stunning 4-19 start.. you must get these to get out.

  • Raptastic

    The law firm of Davis & Johnson. In business for the next 10 years.

    • knickz

       really love how they are playing together

    • pran

      and I thought amir got a haircut b/c everyone was laughing at him…….

    • Sig

      Or at least until they have bad games and everyone hates them.

  • ad

    Lowry had his worst game of the season, no doubt. However, casey is really pissing me off with his rotations. Anderson was just as bad as lowry if not worse yet he plays 30 min when lowry is your best player and he plays 17 min. WTF is that? Also, lowry can play with calderon and derozan at sf against the MIL backcourt. I just think that lowry knows he is the best player on the team and he is fed up with being fed inconsistent minutes off the bench when he knows he should be starting and playing the majority of the minutes at pg. Lowry is the only competent shot creator on the team when he wants to be. Having said that, lowry needs to be a pro and I dont know what it was, but he sucked today. However, he deserves more minutes than glorified scrub alan anderson.

    • Adriiian

      No, dude, face the music, don’t make excuses. Lowry is incosistent as hell. More towards shitty. The first few games of the season were good, the rest, average to crap. Lowry is not the best player on this team, at this point in time.

      • ad

         No man, he is inconsistent because casey fucks with his minutes. I guarantee you if he played 35 or 36 min a nite as he should, he would outperform calderon. Who btw, has been starting here for the past 5 years and the team has won jack shit with him.

        • knickz

           you do know this team has been rebuliding, right? can you imagine what jose would do if he got rondo type minutes?

          • ad

             Ummm yeah been there done that. 12 pts and 8 assists/game doesnt really excite me that much.

            • knickz

               when has he played rondo minutes?

            • CJT

              you mean when compared to Lowry’s 0 points and 6 assists?  Great point.

              • Destro

                You might get back into it with Lowry at his peak…You wont with Calderon…

                • CJT

                  Very well could be, but all we have to go on is what happened, not what could have happened if Lowry happened to find his game magically.  He squandered a 20 point lead in 10 minutes.  He was not the only culprit, but he was not good either.

          • Guy

            yea, his reputation as a gigantic defensive liability would be even more solid. 

        • Adriiian

          lol, dude. you gotta blame that on shitty transactions and no luck, not on joses play. hes 6th in the league in assists, and that’s because he was playing backup the first few games. he has been the better point guard than every other one we’ve brought in to compete against him. 
          he played/plays with some decent bigs, who have been wildly inconsistent except for CB4, and he gets 15 assist games. just think if he was playing with KG, PP, and Ray. 

          He could have easily gotten the same amount of assists as Rondo. and not only that, but he would have made shots too.

        • Destro

          I do blame Casey for whats going on with Lowry…Hes fcked his minutes up hes saddled him to be the new Calderon a passive aggressive fag who does nothing but make passes late in the clock…

          One thing i said from jump is if they bring Lowry off the bench esp when the team isnt winning your gonna lose him the rest of the season and your gonna wind up giving away that pick for nothing unless you deal him for nothing….

          It’ll be interesting to see where AB fits in when he comes back,if he comes back and starts,you’ve lost KL and he most def wont come back…

          Casey is not just an Xs and OS and rotation fck up he also doesnt have common sense and forsight….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      I’m just sick of Casey trying to evenly split the PG minutes when instead the minutes should be dictated by who is playing the best during the game. During the game, I could tell Jack was like WTF is Casey doing with his rotations.

    • Daniel

      You are a certified nuts by saying Lowry is the best player on the team after almost half of season. He should not see the court and Lucas should backup Jose. At least Lucas plays with energy and he knows his role.

      • knickz

        lmfao

      • ad

         Lowry IS the best player on the team. Those first 3 games of the year were the best performance of any raptor since bosh. He is just completely misused and should be given a chance to start and play 36 min and Im sure he will impress. Calderon aint the future. Unless youre one of the many fanboys on here who want to sign him to a 5 yr 70 M extension to a pg who cant play d and solely relies on his jumpshot for offense.

        • DumbassKicker

          1) I’ve never seen a single person here suggesting a Jose contract that you babble, but your imagination is worth more than reality, right?
          2) Lowry was given plenty of “chance to start”, in 15 games, and his losing hero ball style resulted in a 2-13 record. The record with him not the starter is 12-10. “Best player on the team”? lmfao

      • knickz

         some guys really believe lowry is a franchise player, shit is comical

        • ad

          Idk whats more comical. That or believing
          Calderon is a better player. Btw, never said
          lowry is a franchise player, just the best on this
          team.

          • RaptorFan

            If Lowry is the best player on this team we should package him with bargs and a 2nd rounder for an impact SF no???

            We’re essentially giving up our two best players…..

            Lowry + bargs + AA/Petrius/Fields + 2nd rounder for RUDY GAY + Jerryd Bayless???

            If Lowry is our best player why would memphis say no to this???

            • What the

              FLUK rudy gay… here is the plan the Raptors will miss the playoffs then get rid of BC trade AB13, KL and LF for a 2014 first round pick then next season DD goes down with a fake injury we suck win the lottery and draft WIGGINS and also Val and Ross get another year under their belts, I’m willing to wait for a player like Wiggins our SF.

              • knickz

                 so am I. it’s crazy becuase I already thought of that scenario lol

                • FAQ

                  Fantasy draft masturbation ….

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

                Just STOP

            • Destro

              Because Memphis doesnt want positionally what ur givin them…I dont think they have any interest in Bargnani like most teams…
              Lowry is the best player but he has not been playing the best,his value isnt going to command much right now…

      • Destro

        He hasnt been the best player on the team but he is ther best player on the team if that makes any sense…At his peak he is the best player on this team,thats been noted already…

    • NyAlesund

       No excuses. When Lowry will play better than JC he can get 35 or more minutes. Anderson played more because we didn’t have one able to replace him. The SF position is an issue. Sometimes Anderson got a good job, not tonight.

      • Destro

        NO he wont….Lowry is coming off the bench rest of this season regardless of what he does….

  • Holycraptors.com

    The Bucks’ bench outscored the Raptors’ bench 43-7. So if Lowry manages 6 assists on a second unit that can only muster 7 points, it can’t be entirely his fault. Sure, he didn’t look great, but he wasn’t alone.

    • DumbassKicker

      He wasn’t just out there with second unit guys. There wasn’t a second that he was on the court that he didn’t have at least 2 of DD, ED, and Amir on the court, with a bit of time with all three. yet 6 assists or not (naked stats are fn useless), he simply played like a lost puppy trying to figure out the game, in his 7th year in the L.

      • her mouth was full

        kinda reminds me of our franchise player AB13.

  • Jamshid

    When is Big Val back ?
    When is AB back ?

  • Phat AlberG

    Casey substation patterns ???                                           

  • Phat AlberG

    Not saying but btw 4 to 6 weeks

  • Adriiian

    Man, amazing write up.
    I’m a Jose fan, and tonight, it just proved how valuable he is to this team.
    Ed and Amir played great. 

    I think the critical point in the game was when DeMar attempted a mid-range shot and was almost “denied” by Ellis, which looked like a foul, didn’t get the call, Dunleavy hits a transition 3. That put them up by +4, and it was game over from there.

    EDIT: Seriously, why the fuck did Lowry play till the 6-minute mark? Jose is 31? Not 36. He would have been the difference maker, I think.

    • Guy

      If Jose would have been the 4th quarter difference maker, why did Milwaukee outscore TO by 8 pts in those final 6 minutes when Calderon was on the floor? Milwaukee put the game away after Jose returned. 

      • Adriiian

        I don’t know, but you’re going to blame the game on Jose? Who played better? Jose or Kyle? That’s why I think he would have made a difference.

      • Adriiian

        Jose was a +2, Kyle -13. We lost the lead that Jose basically built on his own. What the fuck are you even arguing?

        • Destro

          individual plus minus is the most meaningless stat when critiqing a players performance you know that right….

          • Hooray

            So if player A is +30 and player B is -20, you think its meaningless…you should probably go back to school and study math. 

      • FAQ

        The game was lost by half time ….

      • Destro

        Because defensively hes a turnstile….He didnt score enough to offset that…

        • DumbassKicker

          lol, what a blind KL dick rider you are. Not only his offense, but Lowry’s defense has been worse than the “turnstile” you speak of.

          That aside, if you had any clue of the game outside your street ball genius, you’d understand that defense on a PG in the NBA is a team responsibility. Darren Collison is no all-star, and CP3 is an all-star defender, yet a few days ago I watched Collison each up CP3 over and over. You going to call CP3 a turnstile too? Or is that kind of analysis from you only reserved for white guys?

  • NyAlesund

    Lack of pure talent. We don’t have it. They do.

    We can’t expect every game at the best and Lowry like others have simply failed. I don’t want to blame him or Anderson or Fields………they are what they are.

    Today we have seen how thin is the difference between win and lost. 4 men with 20 more points and we lost.

    We have only one with the great talent, AB, but unfortunately he doesn’t seem to know.

    Now we have to think the next game. The tough part of schedule is on the way.

    • ad

       Lack of talent?? You dont say. With all the people on here saying how great calderon is and how the team doesnt need lowry. How johnson and davis are duncan and robinson. How is that possible? Reality hurts, fickle raptor fans.

      • NyAlesund

        I am not a fickle raptor fan……….lol

        I always said that this team is good without a big piece. Like I said the only one is Bargnani but………………we know the story.

    • onemanweave

      I disagree that Lowry ‘is what he is’ — unless he’s really Vince Carter. That was one of the most lethargic, lazy, uninspired efforts I’ve seen since, well, Vince — and after watching the Raps all these years, I’ve seen lethargic in technicolor. I hope he was injured or even hung over. That would explain it, somewhat. He can be a talented player but, today, was beyond bad.

      • NyAlesund

         I am saying that is normal having a bad game time to time even from Lowry. There are many possible reasons why he was lethargic. This was a kind of bad night.

        • RaptorFan

          We NEEDED this game….IMO the guys that stepped up and produced should stay……Everyone else should be considered tradeable if the right deal comes along. The only other player i would NOT Include in a trade would be JV

    • truth be told

      There is no player onthe Raps with great talent.

      When you suggest AB is it, your argument falls flat.

      • NyAlesund

         I am talking about pure talent, not how Bargs uses it.

  • knickz

     they lost as a team

    • FAQ

      Lowry looked lost….

  • Canadian Paul

    Don’t overanalyze. 7 points from the bench. That’s the ballgame, folks.

    That the starters actually scored 89 points is a testament to how strong they’ve playing. With Bargnani out, Alan Anderson should not be the leading Usage getter, with 24.5%, no matter if the shot is going or not.

    • FAQ

      Perhaps Casey should have kept the starters longer in the first half.  The bench players seemed to deflate the team’s momentum, particularly Lowry’s lackadaisical PG play.  Why did Casey keep Lowry on the floor so long as the team was sinking badly?

      • Guy

        You’re going to pin it on Lowry, a guy who played 17 minutes? Laughable

        • truth be told

          In his 17 minutes he should have won the game for the Raps.lol

          Never mind Jose played the final 6 minutes in a winnable game.

          Then again Milwaukee has difference makers and shot creators (Jennings, Ellis) so they should beat us.

        • knickz

            but if it was the other way around ppl would be killing jose. these double standard makes me fucking sick!

          • What the

            who makes more money ?

            • Lorenzo

               Who can’t fucking spell?

              • her mouth was full

                your mama last night

        • John

          The Lowry ball suckers are out in full force. He sucks, continues to prove how much he sucks and why he’s been traded so often. They had a 20 point lead and he blew it.

          • FAQ

            Street-ballers don’t know how to pass or run plays….

    • Hound

      This was the first game that i missed Bargs. I can’t help but think that if he was playing some of Anderson/Acy’s minutes, perhaps 20, we would have had a better chance to win this game.

  • RaptorFan

    VERY impressed with Amir, Ed, Calderon & DD (all scored over 20 points). What the fcuk happened to our bench??? Our bench got outscored 43 to 7. That is clearly the difference in this game. This game showed that Ross is not yet ready (some fans think he’s ready, but i think he’s still a few years away).

    If we can sign jose to a reasonable extension i say WE DO IT…..who needs a maybe late 2nd rounder for jose???

    I always took a wait and see approach with Lowry and i realize how valuable jose can be when playing with REAL bigs

    If we can get a 1st rounder for lowry or package him with BARGS – we need to pull the trigger!

    Lowry + Bargs + AA + 2nd rounder for RUDY GAY??

    Make it happen BC!

    • knickz

       rudy gay fanboy but thats way too much for him

    • RaptorFan

      Lowry + Bargs + AA + 2nd rounder for RUDY GAY + Jerryd Bayless???

      • Hound

        Memphis will never take Lowry back

    • mountio

      3 mins of T Ross and you can conclude that hes not ready? Obviously you come from Casey’s school of evaluation. T Ross is out best bench player (and certainly best bench scorer) alongside Lowry. AA continued his chucker mentality (ive been saying it would end badly) .. T Ross should have got back in .. he was the spark we needed off the bench and 3 mins is unacceptable (even though I admit he was awful for those 3 mins)

      • RaptorFan

        EXACTLY….he was horrible in those 3 mins….. this was a must win game. I know you cant expect too much from a rookie, but some posters are acting like he is or definitley will be better than DD…..i’m not sure on that yet. I would be willing to package him for a SF…. at least we know what we have in DD.

        If you have to include Ross for Rudy or an elite SF … WE NEED TO DO IT

        • mountio

          Definitely better than DD .. I wont go that far at all. But, the 2nd best wing on the team .. Id say that already (even with the inconsistency) .. and he is FOR SURE the 2nd best (or even best) wing in terms of long term potential for this team. 
          AA / LF are interesting role players .. but the majority of the time, our wings should be DD/TR at the 2/3 (DD likely guarding the 3)As for the must win game .. AA was 2 for 10 (chucking again), LF 1 for 5 .. what we needed was a spark of the bench .. Ill take my chances with T Ross, even if he had a few rough mins in the first half. 

        • Doc

          He wasn’t any worse than Anderson or Fields and they both logged big minutes. He was trying to provide a spark and it just didn’t go his way. To bench him for the rest of the game is crazy. 

        • What the

          …and after 30 games you know what we have in TR ?

        • Dan

           You have to give him time. Derozan only averaged 8 points a game his rookie season. Derozan got the BC pick treatment of starting and getting 20 minutes a game same as Jonas. I’m sure Demar had some horrible games then too. even this year he has had a couple pretty bad ones. Ross has more skill and is a lot quicker. If he can match Demars work ethic then he will have a chance to be as good or better.

    • FAQ

      Gay will refuse to show up to play for TO….

      • RaptorFan

        We’re not talking about your gay boyfriend….. we’re talking about Rudy Gay (the basketball player) lmao

        • FAQ

          So yer saying Rudy is “gay”..??!!!

  • ppellico

    You can so easily tell WHO posters want to promote on this site.
    OK…So now the new boy to prop up is Acy.
    How in Frigging hell can you give him a C for this showing?
    I will tell you how…you need enough Gray hate to do it.
    IF you speak the truth…you end up exposing yourself as a idiot. So give the great bearded one a C…with those horrible numbers.
     
    Acy gets awawy putting up a showing in big time crap time at the end of last game.
    Tonight, against a halfway decent team…he gets his ass handed to him.
    So…give him a  big lip kissing “C”….LOL!
     
    You want Amir as your run around center…..to be one of yourbig  offensive weapons…so he stays away from defense and fouls and instead is a high scorer.
     
    So against anything but shit teams you get away with it.
    Against the first decent team in 2 weeks the Raps get beaten..
     
    Good LUck with the new loook. Amir is going to continually get his licking from any decent team. Keep drinking the coolaid!

  • Ocho_365

    Once you get past the slightly humorous insight, sprinkled with a few opinions BS, you realize just how little basketball knowledge there is on this site.

    • FAQ

      Hey…. I appreciated watching the Bucks play knowledgeable basketball…..

    • DumbassKicker

      Bingo!

  • Japetas

    Lowry must stop trying to be Jose. We all know that he isn’t him… Kyle has his advantages (driving to the basket, penetration) and should use them instead of unsuccessfully forcing Jose-likes pick and roll passes :(

    • FAQ

      Kyle was trying his darndest to pass the ball and be the PG facilitator like Jose.  Unfortunately, every time he made a pass it looked like he was confused and didn’t know what to do with the ball when he had it.   You can’t run a team from the PG position like this … total indecision.

      • Fireboysound

        Casey needs to really take a look at the Lowry. JC situation and realise that he has 2 different PG and their styles are different. I get the feeling Lowry is being held back a bit in trying to have him play so called team ball. In reality we could’ve used a PG that could take over the game from the 3rd qtr onwards. Is it bad management from casey not utilising his players strong points ? I think a Bargs trade for a solid PF. Meaning a mix of offense n defense will suit raps perfect. That way we could bring Amir n Davis off the bench as a team n really run at other teams second units. Whilst JV won’t be left out to dry. On defense.

  • BCBargnaniJoseCaseyGots2Go!!!

    I wonder who OKC is going to draft come the 2013 draft with BC’s traded away for Lowry draft pick???

    • Adriiian

      Lol, another close-to-allstar caliber player.

    • Joe

      It’ll be in the teens in a weak draft. 

    • mountio

      I said it at the time, and Ill say it again. It was a STEEP price to pay. Looks even steeper now with KL shitting the bed .. but even if he was playing well, you cant overestimate the value of a pick that could easily be 5th-10th (even in a weak draft).  

      • DumbassKicker

        “you cant overestimate the value of a pick that could easily be 5th-10th (even in a weak draft)”

        Were you born yesterday? Would you like a long list of draftees in the 5-10 range that were seriously overestimated? The list would be VERY long. “Can’t overestimate”? Yeah, right.

    • FAQ

      So after everybody you want 2 go are gone, what’s left… Acy?

  • CJT

    Tough game.  First time in recent memory that the entire bench was stone cold at the same time. 

    • Wat the

      oops it looks like we’ve found a spot for AB13.

      • hoodlum

        At least he would be the go to guy.

  • Sig

    Why aren’t blocks and steals listed?

  • Sig

    Just one of those games where the starters did what they’re paid to do, and where the bench failed to step up.

  • TheTyrant

    Lotta blame going on but I put this on the lack of 3 pointer. Besides Jose nobody was hitting them with consistency.

  • Doc

    How can Ross post the worst grade when he played 3 minutes? Plus Anderson and Fields were a combined 3 for 15.

  • Giselle Ferguson1315

    People on this site really need to calm down. It’s starting to get out of hand. We lose one game and everyone is blaming one person like if one person wins or loses a game for you. It is a TEAM sport. We lost because we didn’t play good defense and the bench did not play well. Simple as that. We are not a playoff team yet. Until we can win games like these we will not be a playoff team and that is ok for this year. No one expected us to make the playoffs anyway. We are getting better and playing ALOT better than before. Mistakes are made but that is life. You cant always want this person traded or this person benched forever because of one bad game. It wasnt lowry, it wasnt casey, it wasnt not playing t ross and it wasnt landry’s bad shooting. Its a combination of all of it. Until people on this site can understand that no matter who we trade for or who we bench or who we fire you wont be happy with this team, because someone new will play bad or a make a mistake or whatever and you all will go after that new person. The cycle will not end. So whoever thinks trading for Rudy Gay or Millsap or whoever is going to all of a sudden make us this elite team can think again. We will have the same problems and then who are you going to blame. Bargnani? lol you guys make me laugh. You might as well stop watching raptors if you want perfection or if you want everyone traded and fired because it wont happen. I really wish some of you could be the GM or coach and see how good of a team the raptors would be because of all these so called moves you would make. You guys are just as much of a mess as the raptors are its hilarious. 

    • knickz

       thank you! that’s why I asked if guys are only fans of certain players, or a raptor fan

      • Giselle Ferguson1315

        Yup, from reading this site for years its clear people here think that making a good team is so easy and if you just did this or that we would of won a championship by now or something. Or if you just trade this or that player and bring in player Y we would for sure win. It doesnt work like that look at the lakers. It is a TEAM sport and many ppl seem to forget that. You as a team and you lose as a team. Just because you have a whole bunch of talented players on your team doesnt mean it will click. Also when one player has a bad game you shouldnt just turn on that player or blame that player for everything. Patience is the key in sports but no one seems to have that. That is the biggest reason why people are sooo bipolar on this site. If the team is winning no one has anything to say about what this and that player isnt or cant do but when we lose its lowry’s fault or Bargnani’s fault or landry’s fault. Its so stupid. But nothing will change the way people act on this site so i will just continue to read and laugh. Im glad no one from the organization or player on the team reads this site because most things written on here are out of emotion not knowledge. 

    • FAQ

      Oh, my dearest Giselle… you have really hit the nail on the heads of all these tribal honking wannabe GM/coaches.  Most of them are sniveling nerd turds who only walk in their basketball shoes to show off their team uni with the name and number of their favourite orgasmic hero.

      Wanna play some one-on-one with me sometimes…??!!!

  • kuzzybear

    If i counted correctly the Raptors missed 17 shots inside of 4 feet!!! Seems to me they got what they wanted but couldn’t finish. When a situation start to go bad a coach has got to get the performers back in to maintain momentum. Players , whether a starter or not have to realize when they are or are not making shots. When you don’t have it early DON”T LOOK TO SHOT EVERYTIME YOU TOUCH THE BALL !!! Play defence rebound and look for teammates on offence.

    • FAQ

      Perhaps the insertion of Kyle into the lineup destabilized the rest of the team, because that’s the way it sure looked like to me….

  • Reje50

    Lowry has read the trade rumours and thinks playing poorly will get him to Boston, LA or mabey NY 

    • cesco

      can you confirm lowry can read? Im not 100% sure on that one.

      • Destro

        Why would one make a comment like this ? Personal attack on his intelligence ?
        When Calderon or Andrea have off nights do there ability to read get questioned ? Wonder why that is……I mean we know why but id like to hear you weasel out of it anyway…

        • cesco

          you mad, coon?

    • Jamshid

      Based on the latest ESPN report, Gasol, Gay and Cousin are not going to be traded till after the season !!! So it seems more likely that AB is staying with us for the rest of the summer and then amnesty with the next GM.

  • FAQ

    NOT a playoff team ….

  • RapthoseLeafs

    As much as this game is just one game, its’ significance goes beyond being just one game. 

    Milwaukee represented one window to the play-offs, and it’s now closed. That’s not to infer play-offs are officially a pipe dream. There may be more windows out there, but that doesn’t lessen how significant this window was. As Leo or Jack said, it was a 4 point game (hockey-wise).

    The Bucks probably represent – in the East- the only reasonable chance of any one team exiting play-off contention. So for the Raptors, this really meant 4 points. A significant opportunity, considering odds were slim before tonight ever happened.

    Never-the-less … it was one game. At least that’s how the players need to see it.

    .

    As to the game, it started out so great. Then the train derailed once the 2nd Quarter started. Raps were winning 34 – 16. Once Lowry entered, the flow changed dramatically. To be fair, the Bench really sucked. For the most part, Kyle has been running the Bench fairly well of late – 6.5 assists per game – but today, he sucked. I know Kyle is talented, but I still can`t understand how people say he should be starting.

    Amir had a great game. Jose was the MVP in my mind, even though his rating (on RR Quick Reaction) is less then others. In the 1st Quarter, he not only controlled the flow of this game, he sparked the Offense – 15 points – to go along with his 4 assists.

    By his second turn on the Court (Raps up by only 7 points now) …  and sporting a  plus/minus of +18 …  Jose would find himself sucked into the vortex that the Bench was in. He couldn’t pull the troops back to safety, as they got mauled in the end. Calderon’s day ended at +2.

    Despite that, I still believe he was the most valuable player (to the team).

    As for Ed Davis … I know I harp on the belief that he’s too small to play PF, and when our Opponents get back to displaying real Bigs, he’ll have difficulty with that. But that being said, he played a helluva game tonight. A very good game in fact, even though I believe JC played a more valuable role. Jose makes guys like Ed play well.

    .

    Raptors are missing one key ingredient (to the next level/stage) – besides some healthy bodies up Front. The SF position is … was … our achilles heel tonight. Bench had an off-night – they get a pass, as they’ve been the excuse for why tonight’s game came to be so important. But had the SF position been as good as Davis was, this game was ours.

    That leads me to wonder …. how do the Raptors acquire a true Starting SF ? The draft is out. Free Agency is affected by where we live. U.S.A. or bust.

    Which to be realistic, this Great White North isn’t a country that has everybody packing firepower, and has more criminals in jail then there are Taliban.
    But I digress.

    IMO … Raptors will only acquire such a talent, by giving up a talent. Yes … Bargnani will probably vacate these premises soon enough – we’ve done our best to trash his value. But in a trade, the Barney return will not be a Starting SF that’s more talented then Landry Fields. And if he is another Fields, he’ll be on a much larger pay scale, because IMO, that Amnesty option will be reserved for LK.

    .

    As such, our serious “tradeable” assets – if you exclude Jonas & Ross – are Kyle Lowry and Ed Davis. Amir has value, but not in the same way. I would guess that AJ is more apt to bring back veteran help. This SF has to be 25 or under, and not more then 3-4 years in the League. As for trading Jose, I think that’s the wrong direction.

    The next step may happen sooner then we think. And it might mean changes that Rap fans will find reason to be angry. Suffice to say, we ain’t pulling a SF rabbit out of the hat, without experiencing some pain.

    .

    • FAQ

      Perhaps the Raptors should be moved out of TO…. and sent to… Mexico City …perhaps??

  • Kujo

    I think it’s obvious that Lowry is frustrated with his role, and it’s starting to show on the court.

    As good as Jose has been as a starter, let’s face it, this team is going nowhere (we are not making the playoffs), so Jose should/must be traded (the Raps for better or worse have committed to Lowry).  That being said, Lowry needs to re-earn his starting role.

    • FAQ

      So you are saying that the team must deevelop around Kyle because it’s the rest of the team that is letting Kyle down? Hmmmm……

    • Destro

      He should have never lost his starting job….
      it’ll be interesting to see where Andrea plays when he comes back,could create alot of hostility if he back to starting…

  • grizzly73

    What a disappointment. This was a chance for the Raps to prove they can win a at home against a second tier team like the Bucks.

    Gentlemen we can nitpick about rotations etc but what showed tonight is we don’t have it (again) in crunch time against decent talent. Was anybody confident with 10 minutes to go? I wasn’t. Seen this too many times.

    • FAQ

      Does the term “inconsistent” ring a bell …??

  • CJT

    You know it’s kind of sad that as fans we can write 120+ responses to a disappointing loss thread and less than 30 to the another blowout by the raps thread.  Says a lot about us don’t you think?

    • DumbassKicker

      Yup. It says whining and bitching is Toronto sports fans’ comfort zone, and they don’t know what to say when the game doesn’t fit their narrative.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Van-Grungy/100000069253213 Van Grungy

    I think it’s funny how this forum of fans think that the Raps are worth arguing about..

    LOL

  • Roarque

    Nobody has said a word about the officials. The bigs playing last night in TO will be black and blue today from all the hacking in the paint on both ends. However, the bucks coaching staff picked up on the no whistle refereeing in Q2 and their bench bigs slapped the Raptors silly in the paint which allowed the Bucks to get back in the game.

    Wasting that effort from JC, Ed, and Amir on a loss sure does hurt.

    Jose’s ankle is going to bloom and Amir cannot keep stressing his ankle like that and expect to be able to keep up this level of Ball. The Raptor bigs sure could have used Jonas for a couple of 5 minute blows – might have made the difference.

    Welcome back from your Christmas Vacation Raptors, you’ll be playing against the men for the rest of January.

  • Ecrapsfan

    Ed Davis went right.  Twice.   This can’t be life. 

    And honestly BC was not that critical of Ross, only saying he’s been inconsistent, which means good and bad.   From hearing BC talk about Ross on the occasions he has, i get the impression BC feels he needs to work on his pass – shoot decision making.  

    Ross has been fun to watch and impressive as of late, but I do think he needs to pass more.  There’s already a book on him in opposing scouting reports about not passing. 

    I get the impression people are just fed up and sick of BC, and I can understand that, and hate everything that comes out of his mouth.  I mean, the talent on the team is no different.  And from where we had hoped to be to where we are – the difference is 6 razor thin losses.  Those loses, were matters of focus and attention to detail, when you talk abotu time out usage, inbounding the ball, clear path fouls, not fouling when up 3….not to mention the few time we were jobbed on bad calls, vs. Cha and SA.   Talent is what’s keeping us from contending for a title, but it hasn’t been the issue in terms of playing below expectations.