This one hurts.

This game actually meant something, and the Raptors wilted under the pressure. After having their best start to a game in recent memory, they simply capitulated as a scrappy Bucks team kept making plays.

The saddest part? It didn’t even go down to the wire. This puppy was over with about two minutes to go. Just the fact that the team was up by 20 points should have brought out a little something extra in crunch time, but…no.

The irony here is that recently, we have found ourselves with two very good point guards. This in itself is a problem that needs to be rectified in the long term, but right now that should mean 48 minutes of solid “floor general”-ing. Not to throw Kyle Lowry under the bus, but when he came in with the second unit, it was horrific how quickly the Bucks ate into that lead.

Maybe it was playing Charlotte the other night. The Raptors have had their share of lopsided victories since their resurgence, and the one against the Bobcats was the easiest one. Milwaukee is not the Bobcats. They have exactly the type of player that has come to haunt the Raptors over the years, quick score-first guards. Brandon Jennings and Manta Ellis come to mind.

Yet it was an outfit led by John Henson that sparked a game-long run by Milwaukee. We can come to one of two conclusions here. Either John Henson is a real talent that is starting to blossom and we just witnessed one of his breakout NBA games, or he’s a marginal talent that the Raptors just did not account for in their game plan. Time will tell, because the kid did not look out of place with this length and skill. He’s a reminder what a player with length and skill should be doing on the floor.

So Lowry comes in, and is playing this passive style that is clearly a conscious effort to be something different than than the player who came here from Houston. Clearly. He was never a guy who was inefficient, Lowry, so why is this happening? Give him the green light. Where do you think Milwaukee would be if they put the handcuffs on Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis? Amir Johnson and Ed Davis can only do so much, and when teams take away the pick-and-roll, the point guard has to make some individual plays. It keeps defenses honest, like how Jose was aggressively looking for his shot in the first quarter.

Oh, that first quarter. What a tease.

Another note about the bench. Terrence Ross. Normally the trend has been that Terrence has come in with big leads and he plays loose and with confidence. That’s a good formula, it works in basketball and in any sport in general. But he got a little too comfortable. This kid needs to seriously work on his handles. It’s a strange thing, how some players have this skill and some don’t. Is it an acquired skill or does it have something to do with raw ability? Like we know he has relatively short arms, as does DeMar DeRozan. Bryan Colangelo seems to think that it’s something that can be overcome with time, while other GM’s have not concurred. It’s why these tremendously athletic talents have dropped down to the eighth and ninth spots in the draft. Maybe someone can come up with players who developed handles after he came in to the league. It’s got to be a very short list, that is for certain.

This loss here, was so very typical Raptors. A scrappy semi-talented team makes adjustments, goes on a run and it’s over before you realize it. Milwaukee was the target, occupying that final spot in the playoff rankings. If there is any lesson to be gleaned from this disappointment, it is that no lead is safe in the NBA.

But you already knew that, and they should have as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JMRamos7 Juan Manuel Ramos

    Really hurts! the debacle begins with calderon hurt… the beanch didnt exist.

    • BCBargnaniJoseCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Raptors upcoming schedule: 1/15 At Brooklyn (Nets on 5 game winning streak), 1/16 vs Chicago (b2b- Chi with day of rest), 1/18 at Phil (alley oop gate revenge game for Philly?- Phi 2 days of rest), 1/20 vs Lakers (Lakers 2 days rest), 1/23 at Miami (Heat 5 days rest), 1/24 at Orlando (b2b- Orl 1 day rest).

      Dare I say 14-29 or 15-28 is in the Raptors near future?

      #PlayTRoss #FireBC #FireGheradini #FireStefanski #FireKelly #FireCasey #TradeBargnani #TradeJose #AmnestyKleiza #OKCThunderOwnOur2013DraftPickSMH

  • http://www.facebook.com/JMRamos7 Juan Manuel Ramos

    Lowry become unless, she have to play like he likes, but only in the  second unit time. he have to be our six man now.  JOSE is GOD!! and we need a backup center.

    • Cirano de Bergerac

      “Houston,Tranquility base here. The Eagle has landed”.Parle vous francais ? ET phone home

    • Destro

      Unfortunately Dwane Casey is ruining Lowry’s game right before our eyes….Whats even worse is the facade that Jose is great and is leading this team anywhere..other than a few meaningless stat filled losses he is doing nothing but being the same incompetent starting PG he’s been for years….even funnier majority of the fan base is too slow in this city to see it…

      • onemanweave

         I appreciate your take on a lot of things as well as your sense of humor.
          So I have to ask — do you really think ‘Dwane Casey is ruining Lowry’s game……’?
           It’s obvious that Casey and probably the other players in the infamous ‘gripe session’ objected to Lowry’s me-first point guard approach. I don’t have a problem with that, I even didn’t mind Mike James. 
           BUT, either Lowry is now completely lost trying to emulate the Jose-type guard they want him to be or he is sulking and Vincing them.
           I find it hard to believe that a player with the ability I saw in those first few games could truly be as lost as KL appeared to be — or as lethargic.
            This needs to be addressed. Jose has played well in his absence, but is fragile and has bad games as well. Two point guards with different styles but NBA ability is a good thing.  If Lowry IS sulking, I don’t see how they can give in to him. Surely, some maturity on both sides of the issue will surface.

        • Destro

          What gripe session is this ? We dotn know what players think about what on this team so lets not force a media driven narrative….Lets remember the writers in this city love to force lazy ass narratives with this team without doing there homework…
          I think the team has lost him you can see it in his game right now…and yes i do think its Caseys fault….Casey would rather lose with Calderon and his perceived “professionalism” then win with anything else thats different from that…Same problem the team endured with Bargnani IMO.

          I also believe some of it is coming from BC,well we know IT IS because Sam mitchell has said as much…and i dont think KL is lost as much as he doesnt want to play for this team in this role,hes being forced to play a role that doesnt suit him or his game and tbh the team doesnt need THIS Lowry,they need the free wheeling guy who was putting up 24/8/6….He needs to pass more and make better decisions but that Lowry as a starter is what will give this team a chance to make the playoffs….not with Calderon starting and him on the bench…

          I think logically you have to look at whats also best for the team now and tomorrow and i dont think it is with what the roles are on this team.You cant just pretend you didnt give up a 1st rounder for 2yrs of service…You’re now wasting that pick while hes playing a lame role on the pine….Now you can question the point of the deal if hes not even starting over a guy youve repeatedyl tried to trade….

          If you want to deal Kyle you have to play him to at least get his value up so you can salvage sumn…

          from a basketball standpoint and logical stand point it doesnt make sense to have him in this role….

          IM surprised that Raptor fans still dont understand what they are watching right now,they have seen it for 8 seasons…ON some nights the nu mbers are good but it doesnt add up to wins…and we already know why yet these same fans are in awe by it… *shrug* 

          • DumbassKicker

            “We dotn know what players think about what on this team so lets not force a media driven narrative”

            LMFAO, yet you proceed to claim you do know what players think about what:

            “I think the team has lost him you can see it in his game right now”
            “KL is lost as much as he doesnt want to play for this team in this role”

            As for a role off the bench, it’s up to the player’s own guts and smarts as to how important that role is. Ginobli is a VERY key guy for a 3 time champion, yet has played off the bench virtually his entire career. Harden did right by OKC as a bench player. There are 6th men that we can speak of that have worked hard to the point that they “deserve” starting, but come off the bench and play starters minutes very effectively for their team.

            It’s up to Lowry to get his attitude together and stop playing like a lame duck if he wants to start. Hell, he’s not just avoiding shooting, he’s avoiding making plays, and spends most of his time making passes while standing still.

            It’s on him, not the coach, to start playing like he cares. If he does, and is near as good as you think, he’ll earn the starter’s job back. He was given it at the beginning of the year and failed, period.

            • Destro

              Yes its called an opinion…

            • Destro

              Its actually up to the coach…

          • onemanweave

             The ‘gripe session’ is the reported closed-door team meeting that took place previous to the current streak of better play.
            Like you, I do not hold the local basketball media in high esteem, mainly because I followed Doug Smith’s blog for a while and consider him a shill.
                However the meeting was reported and probably happened. I don’t believe most beat writers have the talent for good fiction. What took place  behind those closed doors is unknown to most writers, although they may have a ‘pipeline’, maybe even an accurate one.
               The posters on here, you and me included are complete outsiders.  We give our uninformed opinions; cajole and condemn and have some fun doing it. I know you know that. Your whimsical sense of humor leads you to take a contradictory stance.
               You believe Lowry is unhappy with his role and making it known by ‘floating’. That is conjecture, like the rest of the stuff written on this site.
                I hope you’ve missed the mark on this. I can’t believe Casey would allow a key player to sulk his way into becoming a major reason for a crucial loss.  Surely, if that was the case, Lowry would have been on the pine and Lucas on the court.
               You say ‘they need the free wheeling guy who was putting up 24/8/6. He needs to pass more and make better decisions …..’.Bang on. That’s what we all want and I’m sure Casey wants it more than most.
              Hopefully Casey and/or his staff will put in extra time with KL; go over the tapes and clarify what they hope/expect from him and between the player and staff they can find some middle ground between Kyle the Shooting Machine and Kyle the Shadow.
               Giving a player exactly what he wants because he decides to ‘float’ isn’t a great policy. See ‘TJ Ford — the later years; Hedo after his doc failed to give him a sick-note to go dancing; Vince, the Babcock Years and on and on.  We have had some great ‘floaters’ over the course of our checkered history. 
              If that’s what happened against Milwaukee, it was one of the great all-time Raptor non-performances. It needs to be dealt with quickly and maturely, but of course, you know that already.

            • onemanweave

               In listing a few of our prominent floaters I, of course, omitted Andrea which is kind of like leaving Barry Bonds off a list of the greatest juiced home run hitters.
              Andrea is without doubt our greatest floater. TJ actually played some very good basketball til near the end and Vince was a walking highlight reel for a while.
               Game for game, Hedo could float with anyone. However he was here and gone too soon to be considered great. Andrea, except for that unfortunate 13-game brain cramp, has been both consistent and durable. A great, great floater.

        • Destro

          Also lets keep some context here…Since they lost to Brooklyn on Dec 12 at home,they have gone 10-4 but look at those wins,only one team with a winning record (Houston) and all 4 losses were to teams with good PGs and a bad loss at home to Sacramento….Before we start applauding based on a 14 game sample…you beat a bunch of crummy teams and lost to the good ones who exposed you…I prefer to judge the next month when the schedule is alot stiffer and Jose plays alot of quality PGs and teams and we’ll see where were at…

          • What the

            Bingo|

          • DumbassKicker

            You’re pounding away pretty hard on the glorious KL.

            “they have gone 10-4 but look at those wins,only one team with a winning
            record (Houston) and all 4 losses were to teams with good PGs”

            Yet Lowry’s record as a starter vs sub-500 teams is 1-4.

            Also, for the record:
            – with KL as a starter, the team is 2-14
            – with KL not playing at all, the team is 7-6
            – with Kl coming off the bench, the team is 5-3

            Based on those facts, not your biased opinion, who would you start if you want to win games?

            • Destro

              What facts ? Its a small sample size of games both ways lol.Should also be noted the team even in a weak string of games is 10-4 because of alot more than just the play of Calderon….I would start Lowry no question…

            • Destro

              You sound like a 13 games guy lol
              Arguing a 7-6 record as meaningful and evidence…
              OK well i guess Lowry should come off the bench now that i have been cited the 5-3 record to prove it

              SMH !

              • DumbassKicker

                You’re the one that spouted off about the record being against mostly sub-500 teams, while ignoring the other side of the coin, that Lowry’s record is putrid against such teams. It’s a team game, not about individual stats while playing hero ball, and sulking when you don’t get your way.

                • Destro

                  There is no other side of the coin….10-4 was against bum teams…Nobodys denying Lowry has struggled off the bench…but i would have had him start when he came back from injury…A healthy motivated Lowry gives you more…and you need more from him given the circumstances…

                • CJT

                  nobody is denying he struggled as a starter either.  He has just struggled.  I hope he pulls it together because he is a great asset when he plays well.

            • Masking the problem

              I agree the team would have performed worse if Kyle had started over Jose, but I think having Jose start just masks the problem that none of the starters can really create a shot for themselves.

              Having Kyle start may force others to learn to create their own shot (although the record would probably be a lot worse, and I’m not sure if this skill is learn-able), but at least the orgainization would know what they have.

              Anyways, I expect a lot more losses with the stiffer competition and the higher quality of opposing PGs, even though the Raptor’s record from the past few weeks suggests they should be able to hold their own.

      • What the

        they never saw the Dribbles and Ford movie before, folks we are a the part where TJ tries to play like Dribbles and Dribbles comes up with his fake injury right before the Raps takes on the tougher teams enjoy the rest of the movie folks

      • Valit

        I cant believe we got to the point where you’re blaming Jose for everything in the world. I know he’s not Paul, or Parker or Westbrook ( please let me know when a superstar is signing with the Raps) but from here to calling him incompetent and running him out of town it’s a long, long way. I understand that some people have hidden agendas on this blog rather than being true fans but, I think that we should not be so blatant biased in our posts. I dont have anything against Kyle but yesterday for whatever reason he had a bad game. Truth is the whole bench sucked, the starters were dead tired and that’s how we lost the game. The expectations are higher from Kyle and that  is why people are emphasizing his lack of contribution. Having said that, how can we punish Jose for playing like a pro?…people are seriously considering that he is faking his injuries now that the schedule is tough?…give me a break; We did not accomplish anything with him in the last 6 years but I wonder how much any other PG would have accomplished with an organization like Raps?..Maybe it’s about time to put disclaimers on some people posts like “I hate Jose ” or I hate Bargnani” or any other player so at least we know where people are coming from.

        • Destro

          Nobodys blaming Calderon,im replying to rhetoric about how great hes been and how great the team has been the last month….Its because alot of his teammates have been great as well…and alot of it has to do with competition…its easy to come out 10-4 with the schedule they’ve had since Dec 12….Problem is its 14 games and you havent played alot of good teams…We applaud too many of the wrong things as raptor fans…..Ill wait til the team wins consistently beats playoff teams and he dominates against upper tier guards,before i give HIM and him alone credit for this teams fortunes…

          NO bias i happen to think Lowry should be starting and should have since he came back from injury..Calderon is better suited to be the backup on this team for alot more reasons than just basketball reasons…

          • Valit

             Fair enough…I appreciate your opinion and we agree to disagree. I always said that is useless and detrimental to compare the two because they are apples and oranges and ideally each team should have 2 PG’s with different styles. Having said that, my concern is not who is better but who at this point in time, with the roster we have is making the TEAM better. I was reading what previous and actual coaches were/are saying about Jose and I’m assuming that they are not all idiots ( I know basketball wise they are much better than me). On the same token, I know Kyle history of losing his starting role more than once. I will be extremely happy if he will be our future starter but I have my doubts in the back of my mind. Nevertheless, I will root for him every time he’s in the Raps uniform.

            • Destro

              What history ? HE got injured in Houston and Dragic took over and him and McHale had a falling out…Dont create a narrative that dont exist…Neither position did he lose his job,he got injured… 

        • Destro

          Also you have posters in here claiming they got up 20 yesterday solely because of Jose lol…SO if thats the case why cant we solely blame the last 5 mins of the game on him too then ?

      • sleepz

        This is getting interesting.

        Imho, Jose is a better pg than Kyle but Kyle is a better basketball player.

        Jose sets up the offence and plays a conventional style at the point, which can be effective. The problem is he doesn’t contribute in any other areas other than setting up his teammates and hitting that outside jumper.

        Kyle is not as adept at being that type of pg, however he contibutes in all areas which makes this situation troublesome as he can’t get on the court regualrly now and probably feels he can’t play his game with the fear of losing more minutes.

        The issue I have is both players need better players around them to win. As much as Jose racks up assists we’ve seen year after year that it doesn’t translate to many wins. I’m sure the same would probably go for Kyle and his contributions however he hasn’t had the opportunity on this team to be evaluated properly.
        If Jose is not the future of this team at the point, Casey better find a way to get Lowry back involved or he is going to have nothing to show for any of this at the end of the year. Jose will leave and Kyle will be ready to go the following year.

        • FAQ

          Street-ballers can’t pass well nor run plays well… sooo obvious

          • Nilanka15

            Tell that to Rafer Alston 😉

            • What the

              or your boy Gary Forbes

          • Destro

            street ballers dont and couldnt play in the NBA…

          • sleepz

            Maybe but that street baller rebounds, gets steals, blocks shots at a higher rate than most pgs, gets to the line and tries to probe the defence continually.

            I’m not dissing Jose by saying this but I’ve seen how this movie ends with him as the leading man and I’m fine with change. 

            • CJT

              he didn’t yesterday. 

              • sleepz

                Good luck accomplishing much in 17 minutes.

                He did dish out 6 assists in limited playing time which seems to get everyone excited when Jose does it.

                • CJT

                  You can’t honestly tell me that if you watched the game that you were remotely impressed with anything Lowry did yesterday.  He made Jose look like Bruce Bowen on D.  I am a KL fan and I want him to take back the starter’s role with his great play, but yesterday was gross.

                • sleepz

                  I wasn’t impressed but to pin a loss on a guy that plays 17 minutes and was not in the game for the last 6 minutes in which the game was decided is ludicrous.

            • Destro

              Thats whats so damn funny,everybody knows how this ends…how many times it have to fail for ppl to stop defending it tho lol…

              Calderon isnt good enough to renege on other options,the next 15 games will clearly show that…

              Its funny how the fan base in this town falls in love with 10 game spurts of competence…At the end of it were still only 14-23 were still not a playoff team fans should not be in love and content with the roster configuration…

              • What the

                i think the fans love reruns some how they think the movie is going to end differently [ TJ Ford , Jack , Bayliss ,Kyle]

                • What the

                  Dribbles suck the living daylight out of all these players never to return the same,tell me there isn’t some kind of voo doo sh$t Dribbles got going on no one can take his job we can’t get rid of him watch the movie

        • Destro

          Jose is not a better PG than Lowry tho….His ability to run an offense and team are greatly exaggerated….We like to look at individual stats…HIs greatest ability as a guard is playing it so safe that he doesnt turn the ball over and even thats been a problem this year…

          Another one of this teams greatest myths is hes a great leader or floor general…Ill give you he can stick open jumpers and his pick and roll is decent with Amir (alot of credit for that is because Amir knows where to go) but outside of a limited number of things he does “decently” hes a very limited basketball player and point…Again tho with Jose we tend to point out the few successes and ignore all the issues and liabilities with respect to his point guard skills on offense…

          • j bean

            I have a new found appreciation for Jose and believe he is getting better. His problem though is still the same. He doesn’t perform at a high level consistently. Yesterdays game is a great example. Two different guys between the first quarter and the rest of the game. Like I mentioned in a post further down I saw the 1st quarter and the last 5 minutes of the game. After the start he had I thought he was going to have a monster game of scoring and assists. I was surprised to see he only scored 6 more points the rest of the game and only had 2 more assists than the backup guy who only played 17 minutes. 
            I know fans here have never had a champion caliber team to cheer for but guaranteed knowledgeable fans don’t point to a backup and say we lost because of him. 
            Good starters know when a game is on the line in the final 5 minutes it is up to them to get stops and make big shots.
            Jose has a long track record of not being that player when playing against the good teams. It looks like he’s going to get another shot at it this year so I’m hoping he can turn it around. 

            • Destro

              That speaks to my point why hes a backup guard.He isnt THAT guy that take over a game like KL has showed the ability to do…Its easy to rack up stats first half,but when the games get close and the D tightens up its difficult to make shots and plays when theres pressure.
              Besides that Jose isnt a dynamic enough player to be a game changer…Teams are willing to give him those open shots in the 1st qtr…when they dont give him lanes and dont give him space to shoot late in games we have seen what happens time and time again….
              He becomes useless because he cant create in space,he cant breakdown defenses off the dribble…Its not a knock on the guy but thats what he is….hes a player that takes what Defenses give him,when they take it away hes unreliable and not able to be effective offensively…

              It shouldnt be a surprise we have seen it for years as raptor fans…

              • DumbassKicker

                And how well did Lowry break down the defense at any point in the game yesterday? nada, zilch, zero

                Oh wait, the team has lost him and he’s sulking, right? It’s the coach’s fault he’s sucking right now, right?

            • DumbassKicker

              “Two different guys between the first quarter and the rest of the game”

              Ya think the reason he had an ice pack on that calf may have had something to do with that? After that, Lowry had a perfect opportunity to grab more minutes and show his stuff, but fumbled it.

              Despite needing his calf ice down, Jose still managed 3/6 shooting and 4 ASTs in his remaining 19 minutes. Lowry, in his 17 minutes: 0/4 and 6 ASTs. Jose didn’t lose that game. The bigs being gassed, with Amir’s hobbling ankle taped up, and a disappearing bench PG had much more to do with it.

              • Destro

                You wouldnt blame Jose if he beat his wife lol

                • DumbassKicker

                  You can’t argue against the point, so spout a gutter “laugh”. Great job kid! Some peoples’ mind don’t go there, but when all else fails, you get down in the gutter that you know, eh. I’m sorry for the life you’ve led, but spare the board your filth.

                • Destro

                  lol @ getting upset to the point of having to make WEAK personal attacks…
                  I dont agree with you and its my life ive led HILARIO

          • sleepz

            I’m not a Jose fanboy so I’m just going off what I’ve seen thus far this year.

            He does play it safe (too safe) but he also gets dudes involved that normally wouldn’t be. Nothing wrong with that as a pg.

            That being said I feel Kyle brings more to the table as a player which is why I think Casey putting all his eggs in Jose’s basket may end up costing him significantly in the long run.

            • DumbassKicker

              He’s not putting all his eggs in one basket!! He’s playing the hand that was working. Something the players relate to, if not the Lowry fanboys. All Lowry has to do to get his starting job back is play winning basketball in the super duper fashion his fanboys say he can. These last couple of games, he’s not even playing at a 3rd string level, so you think Casey should start him?

              • Destro

                Doesnt matter what level hes playing at,you invested a 1st round pick in him you better try to get sumn out of him….

                • Hound

                  It is actually spelled and pronounced “something” not sumn. Let me guess, you didn’t know how to spell it and there wasn’t anybody around to ax!

                  And we are supposed to take your opinions seriously?

              • sleepz

                Its about minutes. What was Jose doing at the start of the year when he was getting limtied minutes?

                Everyone was wondering whats wrong with him and how soon are they going to move him?

                • DumbassKicker

                  The beginning of the year isn’t the topic, but whatever. How about NOW, the PRESENT TENSE, CURRENTLY, after coming back from his injury. What have you seen from Lowry in the past couple of games that says he should be given the starter role, over what Jose is doing?

                • sleepz

                  Since he’s come back from injury he’s been fine.
                   
                  He didn’t play well yesterday but he played a grand total of 17 minutes.

                  Thats the guy you want to blame for them losing? lol

                • DumbassKicker

                  I’m not playing the 1 man blame game. That’s the game small minds play and the shtick you’re trying to use to divert attention from your other dumbass comments.

                  You came into this in support of Destroll babbling about how Lowry should start and how Casey is killing him by not doing so. That’s a ridiculous sentiment, considering how Lowry is playing, as evidenced  by how he played in the game.

                  NBA basketball is a TEAM game. Some people like to place individual blame, but teams win and lose as a team. In discussing Lowry, and whether he should start or not, one evaluates what he is contributing to the team in his current role.

                  Though a win or a loss is a team responsibility, individual players need to contribute their best effort. What Lowry is contributing right now is nowhere near his best effort. At least I sure hope it’s not, because I have high hopes for him as well. But there’s no way he’s going to win the starter’s role back until he puts in a LOT more effort, and also figures out a way to become something between the pylon he currently is playing as, and emulating his hometown hero (Iverson), playing 1 on 5 hero ball, while his teammates stand around wondering when they became invisible.

                • Destro

                  Typical slanted argument…nothing from the past counts,it starts from when he started playing well lololol

                  Gee where have we heard that one from…

                • Destro

                  Checkmate!

            • Destro

              Well part of being a good PG or a “true” PG as some like to call it is being able to make good decisions and limit mistakes…I do see the same mistakes over and over,they get masked when you see him running screen roll successfully a few times a game…fans see the Amir Johnson dunks on screens and forget about the trnasition baskets not made because he allows the defense to get bck because hes too timid…

          • Hound

            Please point out those “issues and liabilities with respect to his point guard skills on offense”, and the things that make him a “limited basketball player and point”

            After doing this, please point out all of the glorious things that Lowry brings to the table that are so much better than Calderon.

            I am very interested in hearing something other than KL is great, Jose is shit.

            • What the

              well i just want to point out all the team that are knocking down our door to get him, just the other day BC had to take the Bobcats/MJ to court to get him back.

              • CJT

                You have no idea what interest there is in any of our players.  Neither do any of us, so don’t pretend you do.

            • Destro

              Since youve been following my SN around look for them you lazy ass,ive typed the reasons on this board countless times….

            • Destro

              -not leading the break when they have numbers
              -leading wrong guys to the bucket off screens IE Gray
              -not being able to beat anyone off the dribble and get inside the defense to open it up

              Those are your basic top 3 that separate him from the elite guards

        • Dan

           Jose is great through three quarters. Unless it’s a blowout either way he struggles in the 4th once the defense tightens up. In a lot of the games this year even wins Jose doesn’t usually get to many points or assists at the end of games.

      • Daniel

        You can’t be so idiot. You seem to me like a caricature from a book and not a real person.

        • What the

          a what ? where is Lorenzo when you need him.

    • cdub

      The problem with Lowry is that Casey wants him to play Calderons game, but off the bench.  He did manage 6 assists in 17 minutes which isn’t bad, shot just wasn’t falling.  I don’t think hes sulking, just doing what Casey asked.  Hes not going to pile up points in limited minutes, especially playing with a chucker like Anderson.  Imagine when Andrea returns if Lowry passes the ball he will never see it again, in a lineup with bargs anderson and ross.   I’d like to see a more controlled version of Lowry in the starting lineup.  Calderon is not going to be back next year.

      • DumbassKicker

        It’s not about assist stats or minutes. Watch the games and tell me where he’s putting in his best effort. Those 6 assists are a very good example of how stats lie. Kl isn’t only not shooting, but neither is he making plays.

        • cdub

           i do watch the games and it looks more like he is playing the role he was asked than anything else.  maybe he is sulking…maybe he wants to know why he isn’t allowed to play his game but scrub anderson can hoist 15 shots a game shooting worse than bargnani….

          • DumbassKicker

            I don’t know if he’s sulking, or having difficulty adapting to playing PG unlike the 1 on 5 Iverson model he grew up emulating, or something else,,,, but if you’re going to try and compare KL to AA, you’ve got to accommodate the concept of their roles being quite different.

            KL’s job as a PG is to run the offense, which does include using his skills to get his own points, but not to the detriment of everybody else on the floor while he jacks up ill advised shots, or drives into a forest of bigs with zero outlet or prayer of a shot, like he was doing at the beginning of the year.

            Anderson’s job is to defend and score, which he’s done both very well in many games, and it’s been very effective for the team. There were undoubtedly other factors, but it’s no coincidence that the winning ways began upon his return from injury, and he’s been a big factor in the turnaround. That’s a lot more than I can say for KL right now, though I sure hope he gets his shit together soon.

  • Canadian Paul

    Defensive Efficiency: 104.6 (12th)
    Offensive Efficiency: 112.0 (2nd)

    Giving up 121 ORTG to the Bucks that normally score 102.5 (26th) is unacceptable defence. Despite the 7 bench points, the Raps were still were decent offensively (108 ORTG). Don’t know who the culprits are, but it was defence and not offence that killed the game.

    On to the Nets and Bulls. 2 losses, and forget the playoffs.

    • Daniel

      I just wanted to say that I appreciate you keeping track of these ratings. My question for you is: our ranking is against the League-wide average season-to-date or against the last 14 (or 15) games?
      To answer your question about defence: aside the atrocious 2nd Q our bigs were dead tired towards the end of the game when the Bucks made their final and decisive run. It is very hard physically and mentally to “reset” the game after you blow a 20-points lead, especially playing only 3 bigs. Amir and Ed were fantastic yesterday however they ran out of gas at the end and Davis had 5 fouls. We could have used Pietrus and Kleiza at the 4 had they been available.

      • Canadian Paul

        This is for the last 15 games (sans Bargnani), just to gauge how we’re doing without him.

        If we isolate the teams’s stats with Bargnani on/off, we’re 3.5 better offensively and 5.1 better defensively. Meaning, when Bargnani isn’t on the court, the team improved by 8.6ppg/100 possessions.

        • Daniel

          Than you. I appreciate your work. For the sake of fairness maybe you should post the numbers for all the other players so can gauge better the contribution of each player to the team, not only Bargnani.

          • What the

            na just AB13 the franchise playa you know the one we’re building around

    • Destro

      Honestly advance stats and geeks who swear by them are the worst thing to happen to basketball…

  • Daniel

    I am very dissapointed in Casey. After a full training camp he completely botched the beginning of the season by using players based on contract and reputation. He’s a bad tactician too. He lost us yesterday’s game whose importance can’t be understated. Pietrus, our best wing defender, went from starting to no minutes. He should have defended Dunleavy who killed us all game long. Fields should not set foot on an NBA floor. Lowry didn’t have it yesterday so Casey should have played Jose 40 minutes instead of 31.
    It is very significant that under Colangelo we employed assistant coaches masquerading as head coaches. Colangelo want to impose his own ideas about basketball so he doesn’t want a strong head coach to impose his own system. He has been protected by an incompetent ownership, servile media and unknowledgeable fanbase. The firing of Burke and the Blue Jays’ turnaround give me some hope for the future.

    • RaptorFan

      +1

      “he completely botched the beginning of the season by using players based on contract and reputation.”

      “The firing of Burke and the Blue Jays’ turnaround give me some hope for the future.”

      I must agree with you

      • CJT

        The Blue Jays haven’t turned anything around yet.  Weren’t they supposed to contend for the playoffs the last few years as well?  big trades are exciting and I understand the enthusiasm, but it is not accurate to say that anything has changed until something has actually changed.

        • Daniel

          Fair point however I believe that leaders evaluate decisions the same time they are made. In my evaluation, Blue Jays have put together a contender roster. Things will unfold whichever way however hindsight is for followers to praise or rip the leaders. I guess I read too much Churchill …

          • CJT

            Hey, I am very excited to see how they do and hope they have assembled a great roster too, but the Lakers….

  • Maniacal

    Raps need a legit low-post presence. someone that can post up and score 15 points a game. This team just doesn’t have enough options on offence. Watching this game kinda makes me think a trade for Rudy Gay just makes sense. 

    • Daniel

      Did you watch the game? Amir and Ed had above 20 points each. How can you say we need a low-post presence and then stating that Rudy Gay would make sense for us? Which way is it? How old are you?

      • Destro

        Hes right tho….Ed and Amir played great but neither one can anchor a defense and protect the rim…It was obvious while watching Milwaukee get countless 2nd chance opp at the basket and watching them drive inside at will,if we only had a legit 5…who patroled the paint…

      • Nilanka15

        20 points each, but neither Davis or Amir are guys who have any semblance of low-post game.  Amir’s game, and David West’s game (for example) are night and day.  One needs a perfectly-timed pass from a PG to get his game off, while the other does not.

        • Daniel

          They live in the post. WTF are you talking about? They are mobile bigs and not physically dominant bigs however how many of them are left in NBA? I hope Jonas will become at least Hibbert however there are no guarantees. The Centers today have barely an offensive game due to lack of footwork and array of shots.

          • Nilanka15

            Who cares if they “live in the post”.  Neither are a threat to score in the post unless on the receiving end of a pick & pop/roll. 

            How often do you see us running basic post ups for either Davis or Amir?  That’s not their game. 

            The lack of a low-post threat on this team is a big problem, and has been ever since Bosh bolted.  We don’t have a wing capable of creating his own shot, and we don’t have a post-player capable of creating his own shot.

            • Maniacal

              thanks Nilanka – couldn’t have said it better myself.

              yeah when i say Low Post – i really mean a guy who can play with his back to the rim … i mean Greg Monroe DET is my dream on this team..

            • Ppellico

              yes…i agree….

            • Daniel

              Bosh is a face-up big making his living at the elbow. He’s not a back to the basket big. We are running a lot of post-ups for both Amir and Davis. We are setting Amir at the high post area where he usually pump fakes and go for a floater or a layup. We are setting Davis at the low-mid post area where he goes left for a dunk or a lay-in.
              I am aware of the list of bigs in the NBA however almost none have an effective back to the basket type game. It is a lost art in NBA. Jonas is supposed to become our back to the basket player. We’ll see.

            • Beaverboi

              I agree they need a low-post threat, but it doesn’t need to be a big. Look at Billups, he can post up and draw the defense in. The player posting can either shoot, draw a double and kick, or kick and swing. Mind you, they would need shooters as well.

              • Nilanka15

                Yup, good point.

              • FAQ

                Mozgov is available from Denver….

        • Ppellico

          look this has been proven in an earlier post game reply.

          The poster actually listed every damned center and proved Amir is not only
          smaller…but weighs less than every nba big today.

          so his game is not terrifying to other teams.

          let him score all he wants…he cannot defend. he is a run around gu nad has
          learned to not play defense to stay out of ful touble.

          this is a recipe for losing.

          • What the

            we need a player like 50 shades in there but yet he never saw the floor.

            • The Truth

              I am going to be honest I almost posted the same thing myself. The guy is an oaf but he knows his limitation and buys you some minutes of solid rebounding and size while you rest the others.

              I would have at least given it a shot since we spent the last three quarters of this one looking like we were actively trying to lose.

        • Destro

          Most of Ed’s scoring comes from the block ? NO semblance is a reach…

          • Nilanka15

            I was referring to low-post, 1-on-1 game. 

            Davis scores from broken plays, put-backs, and nice passes from teammates.

            • Destro

              HIs game has been broken down to nice passes now,good !

              • Nilanka15

                What’s Davis’s “go-to” move in the post?

                He doesn’t have one.

                • CJT

                  Left, left and more left with a jump push shot

                • Destro

                  ill take a 55 % push jumper over a 41 % brick-errr

                • CJT

                  me too.  Just saying he has one post move.  Left, left and push shot.

                • Destro

                  So he needs to have a go to move to have a semblance of a post game ?

                  Whats Dwight Howards go to move ?

                • Nilanka15

                  My first instinct is to reply with a “lmao @ comparing Davis to Howard”, but I’ll try and provide a little logic.

                  Howard’s low-post game is terrible.  But he’s strong enough to back his man down if a 2nd defender isn’t sent.  At the end of the day, Howard creates open shots for his teammates by attracting double-teams.  We can’t say the same for Davis.

                • Destro

                  Its not a comparison….

                  You dont need a go to move to have a semblance of a post game…

                • Destro

                  So which is it ? Are you laughing at the non comparison made or is Howards post game trash ?

                  smh

              • Dan

                 Most of Ed’s post moves are just him jumping over the defender and just being faster. He doesn’t have a post game Like Duncan or either of the Gasol’s where they beat you with good foot work or counter moves. Neither him or Amir can post up well enough that they draw a double team they both rely on their speed more then skill. It’s still good but it would be nice if they could find a player with a more traditional post up game. Like the other poster mentioned earlier there is not a lot of those players left.

                • Destro

                  HIm going left over his defender and off the glass IS a semblance of a post game….

                • What the

                  the real question is do these two Ed and Amir help the guy who this team is being built around or has that changed, I think BC have to be bold and just pay off our debt this year and then do some Cavs/Wiz type tanking next season for Wiggins,we even bring back Butler and Nilankas fav player Gary Forbes to make sure the offense “flow” and we get a Star in Wiggins and we coud still keep AB13. Fans need to listen to Burke the guy said whats the use of  making the 8 spot when your going to lose in the first round ,how many 8 seed beat first seed. I feel that this team is one player away from being competitive ever year in the reg.season and playoffs but it’s going to take us 2 more years to do it cause that where Wiggins is .

                • What the

                  ya and while we are waiting 2 years for Wggins that gives Val and Ross time to develop their game BC need to sell this sh$t to Larry Teninbum  “Tank For Wiggins”

            • Hound

              he can also score when he faces the basket and the stupid defender lets him go to his left. Then 1 dribble, 2 steps and a baby hook. Absolutely nothing other that that. At least Amir can make an open look and knock down a free throw.

              • What the

                can we give him 7 years

  • KJ-B

    This Raptor drama though…

    This is like the 3rd act of an intense play: the Letdown,
    the Turnaround, the Run Around…what’s next, the Meltdown—I hope not!?

    Now per Lowry & Co. taking a game off… It’s either his
    fitness level or he was having a Kobesque “protest” game when
    Phil/Shaq chided him for overshooting and he didn’t shoot for like an entire
    game I understand he’s an emotional player/leader who wants to hear his name
    called out before the game in the intros BUT this is not the way to do it… or
    back to that fitness, he looked to be running in quick sand.Go about your business, put your head down, lift more than
    anyone, run after practice longer…give up overeating/drinking whatever you
    doing, and get some extra late night runs in on the practice court–BECAUSE
    whatever you’re doing AINT working–get control of your body, mind, spirit +
    the sky will be the limit!!!…and that Mr.Anderson–where did Alan “The Everywhere
    Man” Go???

    You’ve given TDot a very poor photocopy impression of
    -7…Everybody knows only ‘Drea could be half decent when seemingly
    looking/playing as if he doesn’t care for nothing but more Primo pasta??? Just
    do you, which is what got you here in the 1st playce Mr. Anderson…The Rook
    was just being a rookie–easy on Casey benching TRoss people–if you don’t
    discipline your youthz when young they don’t
    turn out right…C’est Tout!

    • Daniel

      I agree with you on a lot of points. I thought about what Mitchell said about his treatment of Jose and Andrea and how it turned out. Recently Colangelo and implicitely Casey threw under the bus Davis and Ross and still coddled Andrea, Lowry and Fields. I used to not be a big fan of Davis however the reality is clear to me: he’s getting better every game and he can be an important contributor to a play-off team. Ross is also treated with a “tough love” attitude and I believe he will be better for it. On the other hand, Andrea, while an undisputed talent, hasn’t come close to his potential. Lowry shit the bed with 2 previous organizations however he was given the keys to the franchise before playing one minute for us. Fields is a joke of a player.
      I’m on the fence regarding Derozan: he has been coddled and spoon-fed minutes from the beginning even if he has been at best a mediocre SG. According to reports though he has a great work ethic and he’s continously working on his game even though I personally see only small improvements in his skills. I don’t know what would have been his reaction had he started his career off the bench and had to play his way through to the starting unit.
      It is a tough job for the coaching staff to understand the psychology of players and “get through” to them and hitting the right buttons. Overall I do believe that in the pro’s tough love is much better than spoiling. Casey seems like a tough guy however in practice he acts like a college coach used to recruiting big stars and coddling them at the expense of results.
      In my opinion, it is mind-boggling that Sloan is available and we are not doing everything possible to bring him in. Our roster is well suited for the motion offense and the level of respect would be huge. I think our guys lost the trust in Casey however they are high character people and they don’t want to rock the boat. 

      • KJ-B

        That’s why it’s called Pro-Sports.  Somebody else wants your job–only a few hundred make it…A few million want it and probably only a 1000 or have a “realistic” shot to do it at the NBA level…

        TRoss has been in the dog house before and came outta there firing…This time he betting be boiling–i.e. more consistent not just hot or cold.

        Per DeRozan, I don’t question if he works hard, I just think he’s working at the wrong thing….Outside of the ex-Lakers fitness guru, I don’t have the highest regard for the assistant coaches on the Raps–when young guys fall through the cracks or don’t develop consistent skills to play at the NBA level, you just have to question…

        DeRozan’s shot should be way tighter–he should learn how to dribble low and explode and not coast into j’s…his handle is getting better after 4 years–his range should be well beyond 3 point land but he lacks a good foundation from distance where he actually has to shoot the ball by stepping into the shot, rising, and put his hand in the hoop and not just hitting a repetitive mid-range jumper where he’s muscle-memorized to the point that he could probably shoot ’em blind-folded…his jumper does not fool me!

        Davis, needs more PT play + simple–he never got enough run and we see the beginning of something beautiful.

        Valunciunas needs to be a little less excited even though enthusiasm is a good thing but he’s moving faster than his mind on the court too often–hopefully, the time off helps slow him down…

        TRoss needs more tough love…All the Rest are trade bait–though I appreciate Amir’s relentless hustle + Kyle will he lose 15 lbs or won’t he???

  • SR

    The currently health bigs are undersized and overplayed.  Those two factors directly contributed to the 3 losses in this homestand.  The two 7 footers in street clothes definitely would have helped.

  • j bean

    I wasn’t able to watch the whole game. I watched the first quarter and thought they had this one for sure.  Jose was playing lights out and the ball was dropping for everyone else as well.
    I also got to watch the last five minutes and first of all couldn’t believe it had turned into a close game but the opportunity to win this one was still there.
    Like so many games in the nba this one was decided in the last five minutes.
    Forget about blowing a lead in the 2nd quarter that happens all the time. The good teams win in crunch time with their best players on the floor.   

  • FAQ

    (Rudy Gay will never come to TO….)

  • Destro

    Has the schedule turned yet ?

  • Ppellico

    A extrmely big fan of Gray.
    Hwever…I DO know his slowness(ness)makes him  a pretty bad fit for this new team style.
    But holy crap!
    This fan base gives accolades to Acy got after complete garbage time play. Gray got a total of 3 minutes…and nothing after being ill…
    But Acy’s few moments of false glory was enough for the fans AND this coach t begin playing him over Gray.
    Next…Gray will get another 3 minutes and be judged entirely for it.
    He…unlike Amir and others…is not allowed to play into form with the team.
    Amir is being allowed to play weak defense and instead become an offensive option. How stupid can you get as a coaching staff.
    Gray is being asked to play like Amir…run or sit…and he will fail because of it.
    Its liie asking Jose to play the center!!!.
    You do what YOU are best at.
    When Gray is in…slow it down and play half court and solid D. Don’t run!!!
    What this team has needed since the season began is the old solid defense from last year.
    Instead we are being fed the new NBA lie about run and gun.
    Amir is good at running…just can’t play big time NBA defense against the regular centers in the league.
    Look…the team had a run.
    But against some pretty poor teams and big teams with hurt players.
    The reality is come shove time…this team aint got a back up center cause it refused to allow Gray playing time when it should have.
    He should be getting the call first off the bench and at least 10 inutes a game.
    This team is in trouble

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Dude, Gray has missed fucking point blank layups. And the NBA now is more run and gun with guys like LeBron, Durant and Westbrook, how is fatass Gray supposed to get back on defense

  • Jay

    Kyle Lowry has one bad game of the bench, and people blame him for the lost.  I love how this city loves to pick on this guy.  Jose Calderon is he the greatest stfu! Jose Calderon is a fucking bum.  Do you forget the beginning of the season when Jose was coming of the bench playing terrible.  No one said nothing right?  He is the biggest reason why we are in this mess.  If Jose played the same way in the beginning of the season while coming off the bench, we would at least 7th or 8th.  This dude just playing for the contract and I can’t wait till he’s gone.