Boston Celtics 99 Final

Recap | Box Score

95 Toronto Raptors
Amir Johnson, PF 26 MIN | 8-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 12 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 16 PTS | +5An ugly pass to DeMar late in the fourth that essentially sealed the game for Boston, but for the most part played a very effective post-game and was the only thing keeping the Raptor paint from becoming a lay-up line at times. He’s the hidden key to this whole Raptor machine – with Ed gone, he’s the only effective traditional big on the roster.
Rudy Gay, SF 35 MIN | 8-24 FG | 8-8 FT | 12 REB | 3 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 25 PTS | +9Got his points, but it took him 24 shots to get them – I’m not terribly upset with most of his shot selection besides a few forced 3s early in the fourth quarter. Did a good job with the other aspects of his game, though he took a few plays off on defence and seemed content to leave Pierce an open 3 at times. That said, the only Raptor player who was able to score when the going got tough besides Lowry, and it sure is a breath of fresh air to have a guy who can save a broken possession the way he can.
Aaron Gray, C 20 MIN | 0-1 FG | 4-4 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -2Alas, the double-digit rebounding streak is over. Tough matchup for him, but did about as good of a job guarding Garnett as could be expected of him. Just keep those turnovers down, big man.
Kyle Lowry, PG 31 MIN | 6-12 FG | 2-3 FT | 7 REB | 8 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 17 PTS | +16A huge 3rd quarter made up for a rather average rest of the game – the Raps’ floor spacing is infinitely better when he’s taking the ball through the lane, though, and the 3rd was a great sign of how he figures into this team’s ultimate offensive plan. Like Rudy, took a few plays off on D, but made up for it with 4 steals on the night.
DeMar DeRozan, SG 35 MIN | 5-16 FG | 3-5 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 13 PTS | 0Nothing came easy for him tonight, besides an alley-oop pass from Lowry, but this was not his best effort. Had a really tough time guarding Courtney Lee (Courtney Lee!) and forced up WAY too many contested jumpers. His shot chart is scarier than Eddy Curry mowing down the lunch special at P.F. Changs.
Andrea Bargnani, C 22 MIN | 5-10 FG | 3-3 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 13 PTS | +9First game back and you can’t argue with the effort – arguably the Raps’ most eager help defender and played pretty efficiently within the offense, too. You’d always like to see more rebounds from him, but it’s less of a problem when he’s cast as a bench scorer and not a starting power forward. It is early, but the returns are positive for the way he fits with this group post-injury.
Jonas Valanciunas, C 2 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -3Only 2 minutes of run in the game – I realize they’re easing him back into the lineup, but COME ON. Tough to judge anyone on that little court time, so let’s just split the difference and give him a C.
John Lucas, PG 10 MIN | 0-0 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -12He is what we thought he was, which is a flawed 3rd string point guard. Both the offense and defense took nosedives when he was out there tonight – he needs to either penetrate or hand the ball off. Too much dribbling around the perimeter. And for God’s sake, BC, let’s get a number 2 point guard in here, stat.
Alan Anderson, SG 21 MIN | 2-7 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -2A couple of makes late saved him from an 0-fer night, but why he was getting burn late in the fourth quarter is beyond me. Played a dismal game, throwing up shots on the offensive end way more than he should with both Bargnani and Gay in the lineup. More than any other Raptor, he’ll need to seriously adjust to his new role with the team at full strength.
Terrence Ross, SG 5 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | 0Got burnt a few times on drives early in the game (though he did recover on one for a nice block) and was unfairly buried at the end of the bench. I would have much preferred to see him out there than Anderson when the Raps went small.
Dwane CaseyFor the most part, I was pretty happy with the lineups he went with (going small in the 3rd worked like a charm), but WHY DID ANDERSON PLAY THE WHOLE FOURTH QUARTER??? WHY????

  • Dr. Dread

    Casey needs too fucking GO! 

    • DumbassKicker

      You need a lollipop.

    • Jamshid

      The herd better start to deal with Casey’s coaching because there is no way that BC can fire his 4th coach in the matter of 7 years :) For next few years if BC is still in charge, then Casey will be the coach :)

    • Dan

       If they ranked higher for defense then I would disagree. They are terrible this year. His offense is not great either. You now have Rudy gay to take away attention from Demar. Why have Demar catch the ball outside the three point line everytime. That’s his least effective area because he is not a strong dribbler or shooter. Hence all his long contested twos tonight. Demar is not a player you can just hand the ball too and say make something happen. yet that’s what they keep doing. Courtney Lee owned him.
      Plus everyone on the team jacks up 3’s and everyone shoots them around 35% at best.  Anderson is an undersize two guard playing the three and 4 at times. He’s shotting 25% over the last 6 or seven games yest still gets more time then Ross.

      • SwishCheeze

        wheres feilds?

  • FAQ

    If Jose was the 4th quarter PG, Ratpors would have won… believe it.

    • ad

       Fuck calderon. Lowry is better. I never saw jose have an impactful quarter as lowry did in the 3rd. If you want to blame our pg, blame lucas.

      • FAQ

        Jack Armstrong laid the blame on Lowry for the 4th quarter collapse saying he lost control of the game and not an effective overall PG.  Jack said Kyle had to learn how to clamp down on the opposition when on offense.

        As for his scoring, that’s no excuse for his poor playmaking and dubious court generalship. Of course, scoring is all you t.h.f.’s look at because scoring makes you feeeeel sooooo gooood.

        Lowry reminds me of T.J. Ford…. not a good situation.

        Bargs looks as good as new, but he won’t be able to park at the arc and lob 3’s… he will have to run on offense if he wants to score.  He was working hard on defense and couldn’t be faulted for his effort.

        • Destro

          Armstrong is incorrect….there were alot of guys not producing…I put alot of this on the D esp interior D which was PUKE status and DeRozan MAAAn he needs to do way better guarding bums and score more than 13 pts…big game with implications and he was a total no show… 

          • Dan

            Demar is over rated. He is a terrible defender and if teams properly game plan for him and put an a decent defender on him which Courtney Lee is you can take him out of a game. From the 3 point line out he is a different player. Some of that is on Casey because every set they ran started with him Rudy and Kyle all spread around the three point line.

            • Destro

              He wasnt good defensively no doubt i saw it first hand but Lee didnt shut him down in any way..He was able to get inside and make things happen,he just played like a bum in the second half,he lost his aggression andf truthfully they just ran plays for other guys…but he played a good first half and scored at will and Courtney Lee couldnt do shit about it….

        • Dan

           With Ford as the starter they made the playoffs twice. With Jose zero times and Detroit has lost both games with him starting so far.

      • Alcivarj

        lowry is up and down and not consistent enough in any category.  you can always count on jose to not turn the ball over and his assists….you know that thing point guards do…distribute the ball.

        • cdashq

          Jose is not on this team anymore so even thinking about Jose’s play is not helping. We all know what Jose can do, and we know what he cannot do. Whatever he would have added that Lowry didn’t, would have been offset by Jose doing something that might have cost us in other ways, so just accept that Lowryis our point guard and the Celtics are a good team that knows how to win.

        • Dan

           Go look at the record of the Raptors over the last two seasons with Jose as the starting pg. He started most of the games this year too. If he was as good as people here think he is it would show in the win loss record. Chris Paul is an impact player. Jose Calderon is Greivis Vasquez. Basketball is a two way sport.  As good as Jose is he only effective for 50% of the game. Same with Demar. Defense is an important part of the game.

      • knickz

         you’re seriously the biggest moron on this site!!!! has has had a lot of impact quarters for the raps

        • knickz

           jose

    • knickz

       the pistons just lost with my boy jose in the 4th. casey is just a bad coach

      • FAQ

        … jose also had 9 assists and 2 for 3 from the arc… 8 points total … vintage Jose trying to facilitate another lousy team.  Detroit are desperate to re-sign Jose but I think he’s gonna be an UFA for next season and test the market.  He should do okay.  Would be nice to bring him back… ya think?!

        • Hound

          I would love to sign Jose to a 3 year deal worth 18m, structured 5.5,6.5 and 7.5. I was for the trade as we really just traded Ed for Rudy, but it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love to have Jose back.

          • knickz

             reports are out there the raps are looking for a pass first pg lol.If jose wasn’t on a expiring I think lowry would have been moved instead

            • Adriiian

              Is this all a master plan to get Jose back? That would be awesome. If he resigns in TO, wow. I’ll personally send that guy a gift or something. Damn.

        • knickz

           ive watch the 2 games jose has played, that team simply has no basketball iq, try becoming a fan of that team lol

          • Valit

            I was watching , too. I was impressed by their interior defense but they have no 2 and/or 3 and their IQ is lower than the temperature outside. They are definitely a team under the Raps talent wise. It was funny to watch Jose scratching his head and thinking …WTF;  I feel bad for both him and ED because specially in ED case, he will have  a huge mountain to climb in order to get the minutes and production he got here. That move might actually break his career;

          • Dan

            And yet Detroit has a better record then the Raptors so how good is this teams Basketball iq. Now you know how other teams and fans probably view Toronto.

            • Dan

               Same as you view Detroit.

        • Dan

           If Jose is as good as you think he is, then why does it never translate to more wins? Don’t just look at the assist numbers. Watch how he gets them and then factor in the other end of the court. Being above average on one end and below on the other makes you an average player. Jose lets his teammates do all the work to get open or get to their spots and then he passes it to them. Guy’s like Nash, Paul, Rondo Jennings and Holiday do all the work to throw the defense off and then hit guys for wide open shots. If Jose was such a good play maker then why are all the shooters on this team averaging 43% or lower. How is Amir still scoring at the rate he is without Jose on the team?

          • unknown guest

            Yup,  Jose sucks, his assists numbers are false, he is to blame if a player he passes to can’t make a shot, he is to blame for players who can’t follow a set play by freeing themselves up for a shot, etc. etc. etc.

            ” Jose lets his teammates do all the work to get open….” <– Yup, yup, yup, very much not a basketball play at all

        • unknown guest

          God no. Let him sign somewhere warm, and somewhere that will give him a fresh start. 

    • Alcivarj

      100% agree we should have traded anderson. why is he taking shots that should be reserved for high percentage shooters?

      • FAQ

        Nobody in the NBA wants Anderson or Lucas… because they are inconsistent talents who can’t seem to bring it to each and every game.  Scrubs… plain and simple.

        • cdashq

          Not to mention the fact that they both combined make like 2 mill total. What are we getting for 2 mill? Anderson is streaky and going through a cold streak. He shouldn’t be forcing shots and should be trying to get to the free throw line more but he is a great bargain for what he is paid. 

    • cdashq

      Yeah but he’s not because he’s not here, because Rudy Gay is here and he had 25 points and 12 rebounds so accept it. Lowry is not the reason only reason we lost. The Celtics are a team that knows how to stay in, come back and win games. The Raptors are still adjusting (Lowry adjusting to full time minutes, Gay adjusting to a new team, Bargs & Val adjusting to returning from injury, Amir adjusting to no Ed Davis to play off of and spell him) so give them a break. Even Casey is adjusting to playing different lineups. I will say this tho, JL3 and AA need to step up and make plays. Horrible lineup was JL3, Ross, AA, Bargs & Val. Never again. What we need is a back up point guard who knows how to run a team, like an Earl Watson. Or heck, where’s Ben Uzoh?

      • Dan

         Loss was due to coaching and bad defense. Gay’s 25 would have looked better if it didn’t take him 24 shots to get it. I don’t get how Casey still does not realize Demar is not a jump shooter or strong ball handler. You can’t have him start a play outside the three point line because then he is not a threat to shoot so you can back off a bit and take away his threat to drive. Make him a long two shooter all night which is what he was.

    • Destro

      Absolutely not….the issues were defensive tonight all over the place,thats not a place Calderon helps this team…..They just played a miserable 4th quarter SURPRISE !!!!

  • ad

    Ugh where to start. Lucas and anderson are awful. The anderson lovefest HAS TO STOP, CASEY. Those mins should be going to ross. Demar is Demar (complimentary player). Why so many fans consider him a core piece is beyond me. I have no idea why val and ross arent playing more since raps arent making playoffs this year and they are part of the future. A backup pg that can actually run the offense is needed. Raps still have a ways to go. However, if they started the season with this roster I think they would be much closer to 8th than they are currently. If only gay was here when bosh was.

    • DumbassKicker

      Ross isn’t ready, as evidenced by how a team with veteran smarts made him look silly when he was out there. He”l get his time, and will be very good imo, but you kids gotta cool it with calling for coach’s head every fn time he’s sat. You disagree with how the coach is giving him minutes. Great, you’ve said it over and over, no need to repeat 101 more times.

      • cdashq

        Thank you. Too much talk about minutes. Let the coach coach. I completely agree with you.  Casey is a championship level coach. He just needs the time to put it all together. This was a winnable game and I would rather have Anderson out there who has shown the ability to make the right decisions in the past vs. a rookie who, as much as i love his athleticism and shooting, cannot be relied upon to make the right decisions every time in the crunch. If we had lost and Ross had played, people would have complained that Anderson should have been in or that we played the rookies too much. 

        • Dan

           He is a championship level assistant Coach. Where he was more a focal point on Defense. Raptors rank 26th out of 30 teams. clearly he has not brought his championship experience with him.

      • Dan

         The point is they are not making the playoffs and his minutes are going to Anderson who’s season average is 36% shooting and like 31% from three. Those would be great numbers compared to what he is shooting now.  That guy is not winning you any more Games then Ross would. He’s 31 so he’s not getting any better.

  • DumbassKicker

    Why Anderson, not Ross? In a word, defense. 

    • ad

       Yeah, but raptors need to develop ross for the future and anderson is a scrub that doesnt know his role on offense.

      • DumbassKicker

        And you know how to develop him better than Casey does, right?

        • ad

           No substitute for playing in games, bud. Casey just wants to win, I understand, and he thinks the vets give him a better chance. However, the team is 17-32 now and he has to be realistic. They arent making the playoffs so play the young guys for fucks sake.

          • DumbassKicker

            Did you pay for a seat tonight? Then stfu, ” for fuck sake”, because coach isn’t dishing out minutes to players to please RR whiners, but people in the seats wanting a win. It’s professional basketball, not high school babysitting. When the kids are ready, they’ll get plenty of minutes. Until then, let us know when you’re holding your next pro basketball coaching clinic. Hoping it focuses on player development.

            • ad

              Most if the fans that go to games are fucking clueless. They are just there for free pizza and t shirts. AA did nothing 2nite. Whats the harm in playing ross? You a BC kool aid drinker thinking they will make the playoffs or r u just a casey dicksucker? Either way ur fucked.

              • Hugmenot

                As always, the “true internet fan” is much more knowledgeable about what the paying customers want than the people selling the product.

              • Dan

                I agree. I was the heat game and way more Lebron fans then Raptor fans. Plus when he got to the free throw line everyone would make noise to distract him but then cheer when he made the shot.

                • Dan

                   If your going to try to distract him then why are you happy when he makes it.

            • voy

              i dont think playing ross reduces your chances of winning at all if the alternative is anderson.  I think , you can easily make the argument you are improving your chances. 

              playing ross with the 2nd unit when its run by lucas is putting way too much pressure on the kid.  I think  by giving him minutes with lowry, dd and gay you (1) lessen his responsibilites and allow him to ease into the game and contribute with his athleticism and (2) you take him away from lucas.  anderson, with his experience may be a better fit to deal with lucas’ frantic/chaotic pace and try to give some semblance of order to our halfcourt sets.

              i’m not an advocate of automatically giving rookies burn with the team’s frontline players but when the alternative is anderson i dont see much downside.

              • cdashq

                as DumbassKicker said tho, its about defense. Ross has shown to be a soild defender with potential but he is not at the same calibre as Anderson when it comes to defensive awareness. Casey trusts Anderson’s defense for a reason. Not to mention, you think the Celtics wouldn’t realize there is a rookie on the floor and not try and exploit his inexperience. We were trying to win the game. Player development should be done within the context of trying to win games. If the game is winnable the coach should trust the players that he is confidant can perform. The problem in this game was that there were numerous mental errors made and that’s to be expected when dealing with a relatively raw group. 

                • Dan

                   Still doesn’t mean he has to shoot it everytime. You don’t see Gray or Fields jacking up every shot possible. On good teams role players know their roles and stick to them. Anderson taking away shots from more efficient players is not a good option.

            • knickz

               don’t waste your time with this clown bro

    • Jamshid

      I agree. As much as I hate to see AA on the floor, but he plays a much better defence than Ross.

  • Dtkipfer

    I didn’t realize that the Raps were now title contenders and now we are going to stop developing the rookies.

    JV 2min
    TR 5 min

    I’ve never been one to call for Casey’s head but he cannot see the forest for the trees. We are 15 games under 500. We are not making the playoffs.

    • Jamshid

      Hahahahah, I know. The team has a new direction now :)

    • Hound

      Here are Casey’s fuckups, in no particular order:

      – TRoss, no real minutes
      – AA, too many fucking minutes
      – JV, 2 minutes
      – Bargs playing 14 straight fucking minutes from 6:30 in third to 4:30 in fourth. Why not 8 minutes, a blow, and then 6 minutes. Keep the energy up.
      – Gay playing too many minutes in a row
      – no timeout after Boston scores 5 straight points to start the 4th. I fucking near broke the TV.

      Can anyone please explain to Dwayne that we are not making the playoffs, Lucas is the shits, and the ball should go through Rudy, not AA!!!

      Also, two things on a side note. Get used to the turnovers, they will continue without Calderon, and this is 4 games in a row that we outrebounded the competition without the BEAST Ed Davis ( who happens to get the pedestrian 4 minutes a game with the Grizzlies)

      • ghost

        Dude, are you just fucking stupid or what. Casey’s job is to try and win every fucking game right now, especially after the Rudy Gay trade. The rebuild is over and the rooks have to earn their minutes. It’s not his decision. It’s coming down from the top. I’m pretty sure MLSE didn’t go out and get RG and then tell DC to start tanking because were not gonna make the playoffs. And for the record, one season, the Raptors needed to win 10 out of their last 14 games to make the playoffs…and they won 12…and I believe they had injuries at the time.

        • Dan

           If your trying to win now then why not put Petrius in for Anderson.  He has more length and is just as good of a defender. He may not be shooting any better but he at least takes them when he’s open only and doesnt force a shot everytime he touches it.

          • ghotte

            Because Petrius has no cartilage in his knees and can’t hit an open shot. Simple. The last time Ross was in during the 4th qtr stretch he nearly cost them the game in Orlando. *That* is why he doesn’t get burn at the end of games (yet)

        • hound

          Actually, I am not stupid. None of my suggestions were to help the team tank, they all were to help the team win. Leaving AA in for the whole 4th quarter when he was playing shitty, and all the other mistakes didn’t help us win. They were bad coacing decisions.

  • upset raptors fan

    I am furious. Casey is despicable! 
    So much wrong with tonight’s game.
    Casey has effectively ruined Kyle Lowry by forcing him to be more like Calderon, despite it being completely obvious that his strengths are driving and kicking and the offense is at it’s finest when Lowry is being himself. The brief 7 minutes or so when Lowry played like ‘first couple games of the season Lowry’ exemplified how he needs to be at all times.
    More so, Alan Anderson’s playing time is beyond me. How he played 21 min in comparison to Valanciunas’ and Ross’ 7 min combined in a lost season makes zero sense. Furthermore, Valanciunas and Ross are both more talented than Anderson so the “we are playing our current best players because we need to win” card doesn’t even apply!
    Gay took some bad threes tonight but on the whole he played well.
    Finally, what the fuck were Amir and DeMar doing on that final defensive stop that was supposed to give them an 18 second opportunity to tie the game?! Amir just needed to hold on and call timeout and DeMar can’t catch a basketball?

    This team is pathetic and Coach Casey needs to figure his shit out immediately. 

    oh, and i dont even want to get into John Lucas…

    • Adriiian

      I agree with most of the things you said.

      The problem is Lowry. The brief 7 minutes of “first games lowry” was just as it always has seemed to be this season, inconsistency. He’s inconsistent overall. Casey is not forcing him to do anything. 

      The turnovers in the 4th show us that, indeed, Jose will be greatly missed.

      EDIT: I like Jose’s game, but I honestly feel that Lowry is just not good, and after however many games we played (I’ve forgotten our record and I’ve missed maybe 5 games this season) this guy is not going to work. he is not a good point guard. its not about the stats, he just isn’t very good. Sorry Kyle, I got nothing against you boss, but you just suck, bro.

      • knickz

         preach! lowry reminds me of jarrett jack, they might be physically more gifted than jose, but it doesn’t meant they’re better

        • Adriiian

          Truer words have never been spoken.

      • Dan

         What was their record the last two years with Jose starting? Remember it’s not about the stats. It’s the impact on the game. Jose is no better then Lowry.

        • unknown guest

          I KNOW!!! Damn Jose for choosing the players he has to play with as well as the focal point of the offense for those two years. Damn him.

          • DumbassKicker

            lol, I see it drives you as crazy as me, how some of these guys look at things that “support” their opinion, in a bubble.

  • knickz

    This is why the rudy gay trade didn’t make sense. you don’t bring in gay when your team is 14 games under .500, you do that before the season, or wait until the season is finished

    • Sig

       Well I’m still ecstatic that we actually have him. Makes watching the Raptors a lot less painful.

    • DumbassKicker

      Now where’s that big red button that makes other teams do things when we want?

    • Gman

      Yeah, I don’t know.  You get a player like Gay when you can get him.  And the trade makes total sense.  Everybody keeps forgetting that we are playing some really good teams.  

      Are you telling me we win that game with Calderon, Ed and no Rudy?  With Bargs and Val coming back trying to get acclimated to the game?  

      We have to have some perspective here…

      • ghotte

        Perspective went right out the door: Lowry sucks, Casey sucks, we woulda won with Calderon, let’s tank the season but should win this game…

    • Nilanka15

      Players like Gay aren’t available whenever you want.  You get him the moment you have the chance, and work out the rest of the roster accordingly.

      • sleepz

        What type of player is Gay?

        You’re making it seem like they acquired a superstar.

        • Nilanka15

          He may not have earned an allstar nod yet, but he’s that calibre of a player. 

          He’ll be up for allstar consideration with a full season in Toronto.

          • sleepz

            So what? What is “that calibre’ of player referring to? Deng was an all-star this year and last. Would you have been fine if the Raps traded their assets to acquire Deng?

            I find it interesting that before Bosh left many were fine with it including Colangelo because we weren’t going to be ‘shackled’ paying a guy the max who wasn’t a franchise player.  Most fans seemed to be in agreement at the time.

            Rudy now comes along and its interesting that those same concerns are not there although the player now is far less accomplished. I like Rudy Gay don’t get me wrong but making all resources available to acquire him is not the type of team building I envision. The type of players you do that for are established stars that win games for you. It’s yet to be determined if Gay can do that for the Raps.

            It was interesting watching the 4th quiarter lead evaporate and everyone waiting upon the “closer’ to finish out the game. I saw his shot getting blocked by Jason Terry last night.

            Once again, I like Gay but I see how quickly love affairs in this city last for (Lowry at the start of the year for example) and I think this one is in for some roadblocks in the future.

            • Nilanka15

              Building around Bosh, a player who isn’t a franchise player, was a mistake.

              If Colangelo attempts to do the same with Gay, it will also be a mistake.

              But there’s no denying he’s the best SF we’ve had since McGrady.  He’s a player who has very few flaws to his game.  He’s a well-rounded player, and a clear upgrade to any wing on our roster.  His contract is ugly, but he’s not someone I look past simply because of the financials. 

              • sleepz

                Thats the thing my friend; he HAS to build around Gay. They have no flexibility to do anything else.

                He might try and swing a trade for Bargnani to add some pieces but what is that getting back?

                They are into the luxury tax threshold and are 15 games under .500.

                Rudy does have a well rounded game and he is a prototypical 3, no doubt.

                Problem: If Gay played for a winning team the past 2-3 years and his game didn’t improve (basically similar numbers since his 2006 season) noticeably or he didn’t take it to the “next level” where is the motivation for him to do it on a team like this?

                His numbers are going to go up just due to increased usage, which might lead many to believe he’s taken it up a notch when really it’s just more shots and minutes? As a player, he’ll probably think he’s gotten better if his numbers increase.

                I just don’t see the motivation for him to be a better player playing with these guys for this franchise when it didn’t happen in a much better situation in memphis. 
                As for the financials, what happens in 2 years when he’s a free agent? You think he’s going to be looking to give a contract discount in the prime of his career?

                • Theswirsky

                  +1

            • Nilanka15

              As for the Deng comparisons, he’s a system player.  Not a guy you can spread the floor for.  Gay’s skillset is vastly different, and something the Raptors needed sorely.

              • Destro

                8/24

                Please stop….and i like Gay but this is already unfolding how i said it would,they still aint making the playoffs with this guy…

                • Nilanka15

                  I never said he was a good shooter, lol.

          • Destro

            Dude when he plays in the actual game you can label him as such….theres no such thing as all star calibre,you either are one or ur not and he HASNT ever been one….

            and predicting events next year for a player whos not made the grade in 8 seasons is also a futile argument…

            • Nilanka15

              All-star games really mean nothing, even if he DID play in the game.  It’s just a popularity contest….even for the reserves.

              I was just making a point that he’s skilled enough to be there (as in, he wouldn’t be out of place). 

              It’s not like we’re talking about Rasual Butler here.

  • SukaTori

    Celtics are now 5-0 without Rondo
    so trade Rondo 😉

  • hotfuzz

    As someone pointed out on the other site.
    The Rudy Gay era feels awfully similar to the pre-Rudy Gay era.

    • Jamshid

      With one major difference : Little minutes to the Rookies 😉

  • Guest

    I’m thinking a bargnani, Anderson trade is coming soon

    • Jamshid

      One can only dream :) Only 15 more days left.

      • Guest

        Hey you are back. What happened to your claims about the herd being stupid for believing in the Rudy gay rumor or no more of your comments on Amir who has been playing very good lately? tell us Jamshid :-)

        • Jamshid

          I stand behind all of them :) Go back and check what I said. R.G cost Raptors alot more than the herd thought it would !!! So I was right 😉 As far as Amir goes, yes, he had put up some decent games lately and mostly due to his amazing chemistry with Jose.
          Lets see if he can keep it up and the foul troubles don’t keep him out 😉

          • Sig

            A lot more than we thought it would? How? The majority of people on this website were begging for both of these players to be moved in the beginning of the season, and now that they are, you people are still complaining?!

            We gave up nothing of substantial value that was in the plans for the long term future, and the fact that people are proclaiming that Ed will be an allstar makes me laugh, hard.

            Even with this addition of an allstar-caliber SF, we have kept both Terrence and Jonas. This trade was a S-T-E-A-L.

            • Dan

              Ed is going to be a nice player but if he struggling to beat Darrell Arthur for minutes clearly all star is not in his current future.

            • Jamshid

              This is the problem with guys like you and the rest of the Herd. At the beginning of the season Rudy Gay had a different value than now and the same goes with Ed Davis. Ed was an unknown, risky investment at the beginning of the season. Rudy is having one of the worst seasons of his career which has made everyone question his value. As the season went on, the value for Ed has increased as the value for R.G decreased. At the same time, the impact of the Gay for the season has decreased as well. So as you can see, we did end up paying more than what the herd thought. The problem with the herd is that they don’t realize value of the player can go up and down depending on when you trade for them :)

              • Nilanka15

                lol, that’s quite the BC-esque spin.

                Gay for Davis/Calderon is a steal no matter how you look at it.

                • Theswirsky

                  I remember people saying that exact thing about Lowry this offseason to. 

                • Nilanka15

                  Personally, I still think Lowry could be that PG for us.

    • Hound

      For Who? Let’s be real, unless we get a serviceable player (6-8 in the rotation) or a 1st round pick, BC is a moron if he gets rid of Bargs. He was our 3rd or 4th best player tonight and I would think that is what he will be most nights. So if we dont get a 2nd or 3rd best player, I would keep him. This fucking hatred for him has to stop. If you want to trade somebody, let’s start with Lucas, Kleiza, Peitrus, Anderson, Gray, Acy, Fields, etc. Why is it an obsession to just jettison a player who can clearly help us? It boggles my mind. I would probably rather trade Derozan as I think we would get more for him, and I believe we already have his replacement in TRoss.

      If you absolutely need change, punt CASEY! I rather have Casey from the Mr. Dressup Show than this clown. No fucking clue!!!

  • Daniel

    Before the trade, we were 2nd on ORtg in NBA for the previous 20-25 games or so and 26 in DRtg. Any GM in his right mind would have made trades to shore up the defense. Our GM trades for a big name instead. We have no playmaker onthis team. Lowry is the prototypical backup PG: he provides a sparkplug off the bench. When starting, he scores in spurts and that’s the extent of his contribution. Derozan, Gay, Andrea are inefficient high usage players so the ball stucks and we tend to have more turnovers than assists and we are shooting low percentage shots which are the equivalent of turnovers.
    We have no direction: we should either go all in or do a proper rebuild. We are bringing in the wrong players for our rookies. Jonas and Ross are getting no minutes now. I hoped Colangelo will be fired before making any trades. Now it doesn’t matter: we are handcuffed for at least 2 more years. I’m really enjoying watching the Spurs and the Rockets. After 7 seasons of watching the Raptors almost without fail, I give up.

    • Jamshid

      “We have no direction: we should either go all in or do a proper rebuild. ”

      With current Salaries for 2013-2014 season and ONLY 12 players, we will be paying almost 73 million in salaries. I think that is the DEFINITION of ALL IN :) The only problem is that our ALL IN is NOT good enough for #8 in East.

    • Sig

      *crying baby sound*

    • DumbassKicker

      Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Don’t let the door hit you…..

    • ad

       Will you just let go of calderon for fucks sake? They made the right decision, lowry is a better, more complete player, and he doesnt always score in spurts. The problem is, the drop off to lucas is huge. BC’s biggest offseason mistake was giving lucas a contract. He is useless.

      • FAQ

        Lowry is not a true PG (Playmaking Guard)… He’s a streetballer who can’t play without the ball and when he has the ball he can’t run a play… sooooo obvious.

        Of course he can score on his own which gives you t.h.f.’s your b’ball orgasms.

        • Adriiian

          I agree with you. This guy has to be out of his mind, or Kyle Lowry himself, which I highly doubt.

          • ad

             Its not just me. Any knowledgeable fan who watches NBA games regularly can see that lowry is a more talented and well rounded player than calderon. Its only raptors republic jose calderon fanboys such as yourself that disagree.

            • ad

               BTW, if jose had a game like lowry had tonite you would be fawning all over yourself at how good jose is.

              • Destro

                YEa way too much blame for Lowry….he brought them back in the 3rd and needed help in the 4th and got none….17-8-7 is indicative of the impact he had overrall….

                • FAQ

                  Yeah… it was prolly Bargnani’s fault the Ratpors lost….

        • Dan

          The record with Jose the play maker wasn’t any better the last few years. It’s the gm and overall talent that is the problem. Jose has just as many flaws in his game as Lowry. 

          • sleepz

            Its always been the GM as the problem.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jawid-Afghan/100000886463567 Jawid Afghan

      ok.

    • Mo

      Fun Fact: Assuming Lowry is extended at 10M (a reasonable assumption considering BC fascination with Raptor monopoly $), Raps will have commited ~70M TO 8 PLAYERS!  Assuredly making them a top 5 salary team in 2014 (possibly top 10 next year). Today the fans are crossing their fingers for an 8 seed, tomorrow they will want a second or third round team and it will be Atlanta Hawks v2.0 (2nd round and done). Everyone wants instant gratification, no one wants the pain and build the team the right way. 

    • Adriiian

      I feel you Daniel. This whole franchise has gone down the shitter. It’s honestly depressing.
      I’ve only been watching maybe since Jose started his career, but damn. Has any other franchise gone worse in that time, I understand injuries, but it’s not even about that, it’s just the horrible mix of players we have.
      The whole equation is wrong here. And I feel like giving up Jose for Rudy maybe could have been a good marketing move, but I don’t think it was that great of a team move.

      Is Bryan the dumbest GM in the league?

      • Dan

         Jose wasn’t having any more success here then Lowry. The problem is BC. Jose would have benefited from playing with a player like Gay who can take over ball handling duties in the fourth.. He also would be better paired with a low post player who can draw doubles and take advantage of Jose’s shooting. Kyle needs to be surrounded with good shooters to take advantage of his drive and kick game. The problem is what the other poster said. Your three best scorers are all volume shooters.

      • ghotte

        “I feel like giving up Jose for Rudy maybe could have been a good marketing move”  > So the trade doesn’t make the Raptors better from a talent perspective? Really? Just a marketing move? Wow

    • Jerry

      Ok leave and follow the Pistons where your lover Jose plays dumbass you fanboy

  • hateslosing

    Sub pattern needs to change. anything is better than Lucas in the 4th. Play no point if you have to, have Gay or DD bring it up and set up the offense. AA should not be playing big minutes anymore, we have too much depth at the wing for him to play more than 10 minutes a game.

    Nice to see Bargs back, we played well on defense and shot reasonably well. Here’s hoping he keeps it  up until he’s traded.

  • Jamshid

    Where is Fields ?? Is he hurt again ?? How about M.P ? Is he he hurt too ?

    • The Truth

       I was going to ask that too, I was at the game and couldn’t even see him on the bench.

      • Dan

        I think they said he was out with back spasams

    • FAQ

      Apparently sprained his thumbs… playing PS Vita… !!!

    • Nilanka15

      He’s been dealing with back issues….apparently.

  • Gman

    Just curious…I saw Bargnani get 2 blocks.  And waited for the stat to show up and it never did.  The first one on Garnett they even did a replay of going to commercial.  

    • enufisenuf

       I don’t get how two obvious blocks are not noted…..  If Larry Sanders they give him 4 because he was close to the ball…..

  • grizzly73

    It looked like Rudy was having a great game. I was shocked when I looked at the stat line 33% for Rudy 1- 7 from 3. Same for DD. That’s why we lost – a great effort but same as ever the Raptor curse no one can knock down late shots.  Why did BC let Leandro go? he was huge in the 4th = a great pro.

    Grey is better than JV? he sure gave us a lot – 2 rebounds 0 -1  2 foul shots. Wow.

  • Phat AlberG

    Alan Anderson is terrible he shoots 36% from the field and logs more 24 mins a game why??????   And personally Dwane Casey needs to get fired now!!!!! That is 12 games we had a lead going into the 4th and they end up losing. The raptors need to find a point guard to back up Kyle Lowry, because right now John Lucas III is not cutting it.  This team is not bad honestly, but you have a coach that cannot make decisions when comes to crunch time.  I have no idea why Ross is not in the 8 man rotation on this team, he’s young, athletic, a better shooter & on ball defender than Alan Anderson.   This guy Casey honestly is clueless and he’s not a winner, and he needs to go.  This getting beyond ridiculous now and something has to be done.  An if you Blame Bargnani for this lost, you honestly being a hater because he played good tonight.  

    • DumbassKicker

      Gay shot 8/24 , DD 5/16, but yeah Andeerson’s 2/7 was brutal and cost the game.

      “Ross is ……a
      better….on ball defender than Alan Anderson.”

      You haven’t a clue what you’re seeing. I believe he will be, but far from it at this point.

      • Phat AlberG

        Are you defending Alan Anderson lmao omg dude you’re killing me

        • DumbassKicker

          I didn’t “defend” anybody.

          1. I pointed out that your statement that Ross is a better defender (at this point) is lacking knowledge of the game and what goes on, as in you are clueless.

          2. You made the focal point of your post about Anderson being so bad. Remember, this a is a summary post about the game. Anderson’s 2/7 in this game is practically irrelevant when looking at Gay’s 8/24 and DD’s 5/16. In case math isn’t your strong suit, that’s a combined 13/40, but you want to whine about 2/7 Anderson? How about talk about our new 4th qtr saviour, whose 4th quarter went like this:

          11:41 Gay 3pt Shot: Missed

          10:51 Gay 3pt Shot: Missed

          09:57 Gay Turnover : Bad Pass (2 TO)

          06:19 Gay 3pt Shot: Missed

          05:23 Gay Jump Shot: Missed

          03:12 Gay Turnover : Offensive Charge (3 TO)

          01:32 Gay Jump Shot: Missed Block: Terry (1 BLK)

          00:42.8 Gay Driving Jump shot: Missed

          00:42.7 Gay Tip Shot: Made (25 PTS)

          00:12.9 Gay Driving Jump shot: Missed

          00:09.9 Gay Tip Shot: Missed

          When the “star” has a 4th qtr like that, whining about Anderson is nothing short of dumbass.

  • vino

    1. Matt Devlin is an idiot! Was embarrassed more than Ross on that defensive break-down and follow up recovery block. Very irritating lack of basic understanding of the game. If anybody has got to go its him! Every game I try to tune this dude out… enough is enough. I’ve reached a point where I am ready to start emailing the organization!
    2.  Awesome press D on the perimeter by the Celtics. Lee and in particular Bradley forced turn overs and cause havoc in Raps offense tonight. They deserve a lot of credit!
    3. Anderson… has got to sit down! Even is its not for winning games but for developing Ross
    4. Garnett is still a dominant player. Huge game by KG!

    • FAQ

      But Jack Armstrong fingered Kyle for the 4th quarter collapse saying that Kyle still has to learn how to run a team on offense (like Jose).  Of course, Kyle is a fan favourite because he’s so cute and cuddly … also cruddy as a NBA PG.

      • Phat AlberG

        Okay 17 pts 6/12 from the field 7rebs 4steals 8ast plus +8 yeah he sucks

        • FAQ

          You prefer to blame the loss on … Bargnani, maybe?

    • Destro

      KG was dominant ONLY because the Raps resistance on him was so weak and meager….He never gets 27 again this season not even close…

    • sleepz

      The worst from Matt Devlin came when Andrea went up early in the game didn’t get a call and Devlin claimed “Bargnani looking for a call but didn’t get it like in Charlotte”! LOL.
      @ddbed5d43a58f64645d1359653f38aa9:disqus 
      What has this franchise become? The barrel of excuses and yearly pivoting by the GM has permeated itself throughout the organization. It’s a joke when you are making references to these things during the game.

  • FAQ

    Too many holes in the Ratpors …. and BC is in charge of plugging up those holes.

  • Guest

    Most annoying Raptors (in order of most to least)…

    – Aaron Gray
    – Kyle Lowry
    – John Lucas
    – Dwayne Casey

    • ad

      1) Alan Anderson
      2) John Lucas
      3) Alan Anderson
      4) John Lucas
      5) Dwayne casey

      • Phat AlberG

        I support this statement^^^^ 

    • John_is

      Why is Aaron Gray annoying?

      Because he busts his ass and plays within himself?

      • Dan

         Agree. He is a great player because he knows his limitations and plays within them. If Anderson cut down on his shots and stuck mostly to D he would be seeing less hatred in the comments.

      • Guest

        I agree that he bust his tail, but it’s annoying when a 7 footer can’t put the ball in the hoop when he’s right under the net 50% of the time.

    • Adriiian

      1. Lowry
      2. JL3
      3.  Grey Matter

    • Dan

       Aaron Gray is not very talented. But he also comes in and does what he is asked to do and does not play outside of his abilities.  He has been very good the past few games.

  • RaptorReuben

    We need Landry Fields back from his back spams. Also, like everyone else is saying, JV and Ross need to play more minutes that Lucas/Anderson/Gray. Gray can start, but balance out the minutes. 

  • NyAlesund

    Do we remember when Bargs took a lot of shots? Well now we have Gay. 24 shots, 25 points. Almost 50 shots in the last two games. We don’t need this kind of effort. Not now with this team.
    We don’t need an incompetent coach, jjjjjjjjjjjesssuss
    Anderson? He was awarded minutes from Casey. Does anyone know why?

    Rotations? Lunatics.

    Another game lost. Another chance lost. There is something wrong in this team. Every choice made has the dark side. We fix something and we broke another piece. Endless spiral.

    Last thing: we see C’s move the ball, find the open guy……….when we see something like this?

  • enufisenuf

     Happy I turned off and just taped the 4th…..  Went back @ 9:33 to peak and saw they blew a 10 pt lead…..  Never bothered to watch it in any case.

  • Kujo

    JoVal, and T-Ross not playing is mind boggling, and frustrating as hell.  We are going to chase this fantasy 8th seed spot at the expense of developing our rooks.  Lovely.  

    • Guest

      If it continues, our underdevelopment of Ross will be one of our greatest failures this season i.m.o.

  • Mopola

    Gray is too slow to defend Garnett, Valanciunas had to play most of tonight Gray’s minutes

  • KaioKev

    “easing JVal back in” thats nonsense because when hes back to playing regular minutes and he picks up his 3rd foul midway through the 4th, he’ll be benched for the rest of the night. 

    I watched the 3rd and 4th Qs through Comcast Boston and they felt the Raptors spent way to much time dribbling the ball.

  • Honest Fan

    This Dan guy is among the least educated fans I have seen in a long time. Even for a Raptors fan, he is pretty awful