In the Quick Reaction for the Pacers game I jokingly wrote #LetRossInTheGymAndMakeHimShoot1000JumpersADay for Terrence Ross. It wasn’t so much an indictment on Ross’ poor shooting night, but a reality check that called for the tempering of expectations regarding the 22-year old. Some of the benchmarks set for him have undoubtedly come from Bryan Colangelo labeling Ross as untouchable in trade negotiations, which was a little surprising given how little he had shown and how much Ed Davis had shown of late. All the key guys drafted in or around him (Davis, MKG, Beal, Waiters, Lillard, Barnes, Drummond) have arguably had better seasons than Ross, yet that hasn’t stopped us from already slotting Ross as a key cog in the ever-changing nucleus of the Raptors. There’s no problem having him enter the revolving door that guards the nuclei, as long as we remain level-headed about him.

Despite struggling mightily with his shot early in the season, he’s managed to hold our attention through his aerial work and some streaky performances where his pretty shot was falling. The offensive quickness that’s on display has also been something of a surprise, I particularly like this play against Indiana. For every bit of that, though, there’s also been cases of this and this. Say what you will, throughout his ups-and-downs he’s always dealt with things like this. So far it’s been a mixed bag as expected from a rookie going against bigger, stronger, and more experienced guys, but enough to get us excited about the possibilities.

His short-term fit is very similar to Mo Pete in this first couple of years where there aren’t going to be many plays called for him, and he’s forced to get his by scrambling around and hitting his open jumpers. In the long-term, and only if he’s able to fulfill his short-term duties, he could have the opportunity to make a case as a legit starting two. Those days could be some time away since he’s now got DeRozan and Gay ahead of him at the two and three, respectively. What Gay’s acquisition has done has bought Ross some time to develop while being in a reserve role with less pressure. Unlike DeRozan, who was penciled in as a starter early in his career and measured accordingly, Ross will have more time and patience afforded to him, with the caveat that he’s now expected to deliver some measure of production for a big-payroll team hunting for the playoffs. But hey, he’s got the confidence of the GM, and that’s the main thing that should net him some time (just like it did for Bargnani).

I don’t have much doubt that his shot will tighten up and he’s going to drop a higher percentage as he becomes part of the regular rotation as Anderson, hopefully, sees less time. He’s only at 33% from the field right now, but what’s encouraging is that his mid-range game is functioning as he’s shooting 47% from the 10-15 point range. Much like DeRozan, that will have to be Ross’ bread-and-butter if he’s striving to be more than just a bench specialist. It’s the three-point threat that, if he becomes consistent, can separate him from the crowd. At the end of the day a bench SG becomes a starting SG if he’s able to create his own shot, and for Ross that shot will either come from using his quickness to pull-up from mid-range or by getting to the rim using his above-average quickness and significantly above-average explosiveness (both of which he’s better at than DeRozan). Where this is leading is that if you’re a believer that DeRozan can become a legitimate scoring threat from the two, you better believe that Ross can too, because there isn’t that much of a delta (besides the 21 lb weight difference – DeRozan is 216, Ross is 195).

If being a go-to scoring guard isn’t in his destiny, the natural view to hold given his athleticism, potential defensive ability, and three-point shooting is someone in the mold of Jason Richardson, Raja Bell, Tony Allen, or Thabo Sefolosha, or if you go further back, Doug Christie, Nick Anderson and Eddie Jones. The resourcefulness of such a player is well-documented in today’s NBA even though they aren’t exactly star-caliber, and this is the more likely scenario for Ross because it involves him improving on his current strengths rather than developing new tools like face-up moves, a post-game, and shot-making against contests. The high-end of a player like Ross might even be Manu Ginobili. If you’re wondering, I’m getting these names by looking at players with generally high 3FGA and steals.

If the Raptors get lucky they’ll have a natural successor or even usurper to DeRozan. A word of caution needs to be heeded as players like Ross are being produced at a solid churn by the NCAA-factory, just look at the players cited earlier, making it imperative that he show something which keeps the Raptors engaged. What also helps him is that the Raptors won’t likely have a pick in this year’s draft, meaning that the chance of another young swingman coming in and laying challenge is unlikely. This gives Ross more breathing room in terms of competition.

Ross will get his chance in Toronto, after all, many a lesser player have gotten theirs here as well. The question is whether his fate will be of the extreme nature such as Vince Carter’s or Chris Jefferies’, or just a plain old Mo Pete which isn’t too bad. From a draft pick point of view, he was selected #8 and the two guys the Raptors passed up on to get him were Andre Drummond and Jeremy Lamb. Drummond’s shown some real quality and Lamb is struggling to get playing time in OKC, so the retrospective Hoffa/Iguodala risk factor is clearly in the form of Drummond.

Too early to worry about that though, the immediate thing to do for the Raptors is to get him some playing time even if it happens to be undeserved, just so he gets into a rhythm. I expect veterans to stay ice cold for days on end and come in and drill threes, not so much rookies, so he needs to be cut some slack there. I know Casey doesn’t like that and gives run to guys that produce, but sense and sensibility must prevail over Casey’s more baser instincts.

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  • Guest

    I think that at his peak (for the raptors anyway) Ross will come off the bench for 30 mins a game and score 15-16 a game in a similar role to Ray Allen’s in Boston.

    • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!


      At his peak he will take DD’s starting spot opposite of Gay…

  • Nilanka15

    The problem is that Casey (and perhaps management) still believes the Raptors have a legitimate shot at the playoffs this year.  Because of that, it doesn’t seem like he’s willing to let Ross learn through his mistakes.

    • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!

      Raptors won’t even have 20 wins by all star break..BC and his magic beans….

      • Alb Perjet

        Already Wrong! TSK TSK TSK!

  • Nilanka15

    Also, I seem to recall Ross being much more aggressive in Summer League attacking the basket.  Now, he’s settling for contested long jumpers far too often.

    • c_bcm

      likely a result of his better competition being able to close the lane on him.

      • Nilanka15

        I was speaking more about his mindset, than the level of competition.  He doesn’t seem to even attempt to take the ball inside anymore.  The pullup 22-footer (i.e. the worst shot in basketball) has become his “go to” move.

        • sleepz

          He has no handles.

          • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!

            People don’t seem to realize that his handles are weak- they were weak at Washington that’s why Tony Wroten was the better player because he can move with the ball on the court and create for others while TRoss needs people to create for him (ala Jose).

          • Nilanka15

            I actually think his handles aren’t as bad as made out to be.  Yes, they still need work, but he’s capable of taking it to the rim.  I’d say his handles are farther along than DeRozan’s in his rookie year.

    • EmarErozan

      Easy fix is to have him play against summer league defences full time.

  • 511

    I love the hops when he’s got the ball at just those right spots and moments … and I love the stroke when it’s zeroed in. But as yet, I haven’t seen enough to REALLY know what we have here. Does he have the work ethic, or a portion of, that DeMar has? Don’t know; I haven’t seen or heard of it, yet. If he’s willing to do the work, I think he’ll be the keeper that most hope he is, maybe even a star. If not … eventually, he’s trade bait. It’s up to him and what kind of career he really wants to have. 

    For the time being, I’m trusting Casey’s judgement on TRoss being that high character guy that was a focal point of Casey’s hard sell … when he was picked ahead of Drummond. 

    Regarding playing time, I don’t mind him having to earn his minutes on the floor at all. I think Casey knows what he’s doing there, like how he’s been handling JV. 


       DeWorkEthic!  Bwahahahahahahah!  I thought he was going to be a “10 times better player this year”:

      Don’t believe the hype! 

      “I think he’ll be the keeper that most hope he is, maybe even a star. If not … eventually, he’s trade bait.”  #FarmTeamLivesOn


    On any other team he would have enjoyed multiple stints in the D-league  and eventually fell off into obscurity.  But since this a “development” team, and fans like mountio are around,  it’s all money in the bank for the regime.

    Gotta sell high hopes/low expectations when you’re selecting scrubs with the 8th pick, because you like his parents.

    Remember when Drummond was getting destroyed on here because he was a “head case with no heart or motor that can’t rebound”?  Good times. 

    • sleepz

      I do.

      Many would still have you believe that selecting Ross instead of Drummond was the right move, instead of looking to tear a strip off of the bumbling fumbling GM.

      So what if we had Jonas? Ever hear of NBA teams turning down quality bigs? Even the trade potential of a young promising big man is significant and could have been more beneficial to the Raps.

      • Destro

        We could have had a Jonas/Drum backcourt for years,that hurts to think about….We could have been so dominant inside its crazy to even think of it…

        • Destro

          obviously meant frontcourt

        • sleepz

          Now thats a front court that solidifies your defence considerably.

          No disrespect to Ross as he has potential to be a good player and contributor, but for a team lacking talent, we should have gone with bigger upside. More risk indeed, but definitely more reward.

      • Doc

        Drummond is very overrated right now. First off his free throw shooting sucks. Second all he does is dunk. His post up game is non existent. Drummond and JV could not play at the same time. 

        • Tee

          Drummond is a stud.

          Bad back injury but the guy is a beast: he once got 18pts and 18 rebs… a rookie?


          If jonas did that it would be news in Toronto.
          I cant fully judge the last draft yet but right now Drummond is a freak of nature.

          • FLUXLAND

            “He can’t rebound”  “No motor”… LOL.

            You know what’s really sad?  JV was sold as a “defensive presence” and “rebounding force” for months upon months before the start of the season.  These were foregone conclusions about his game, in the minds of many; all he had to do was polish his offensive game and we had Wilt Abdul Russell on our team.  And then suddenly it was “lower your expectations people”.  (The BC KoolAid recipe)

            • hater

              hes a rookie u dumb fuck,, he was sold as a defensive presence nd rebounding force longterm with experience,, he needs to get stronger just like u need to get smarter u fucking dumbass

              • FLUXLAND

                 No, don’t lie. 

                He wasn’t sold as such long term. Go back and read. He was sold as already being so.

                You need to get a clue, son.

                • hater

                  no1 said that u clueless fucktard liar no one. 

                  “He’s all arms and legs right now but you’re talking about a solid athlete with a good frame,” Colangelo said. “He’s got a chance to become a very, very strong player. It’s just going to take some time and take some work.”

                  u have anythin else to say u fking clown?

        • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!

          Drummond is 19 years old the youngest player in the NBA.

          Shaq couldn’t shoot fts…and?

           AD (& Val can play together) should have been the draft day move either to keep or trade away.

        • FLUXLAND

           I don’t know which Drummond you’re referring to, but no one in their right mind is calling him, the one we’re talking about, over rated. I suggest you do a little investigating. 

        • Destro

          WTF @ overrated..his PER is 23 sumn as a rookie…Hes already an anchor defensively…Just a horrible post… 

      • FLUXLAND

        I love the “we had JV” argument.  Yeah?  We had DeUseless too, so what?

  • colef5

    Arse, Lamb plays on the Thunder

    • CJT

      And who the Eff is Andrew Drummond?  Speaking of Drummond isn’t he out for a few months with a stress fracture in his back?  Don’t stress fractures easily reoccur? 

    • Arsenalist

      Yeah, typo. Thanks.

  • Doc

    He seems like a really great kid and I want him to do well but in reality who the hell knows. I do wish he was not invited to the dunk competition because I think it is taking away from his focus. He needs to be practicing the corner 3 and not his dunks. Guys like B Bowen and A Parker made a career of the corner 3 and being a good defender.

  • TheR3dMenace

    Typical up and down rookie year. Nothing more than that. No need for the ominous tones just yet

  • Destro

    and i dont think his defense is all that great…He has length which can help him,but he was getting burned quite a bit yesterday in that 1st half…

  • jacobdrichards4

    Rudy gay a better vertical then Demar or Terrence, just thought id let you guys know, I found it interesting.

  • RapthoseLeafs


    [” ….  labeling Ross as untouchable in trade negotiations, which was a little
    surprising given how little he had shown and how much Ed Davis had shown
    of late.”]

    Davis was moved for good value – demonstated by his Starter time, and “potential” still out there. With Jose most likely gone – especially with slim pickings in the upcoming PG market – this trade becomes all about Rudy Gay for Ed Davis. Terrence Ross can’t command that kind of value. At this time.

    I’m sure most still believe Ross has something special going on, just have to realize the rookie wall is so aptly named. He has a smooth shot, and good defensive “potential” – notwithstanding the let-ups of late.  He’s got hops. Comparing him to Ginolbi may have merit, but I wonder if he’s just simply DeRozan model 2 – with a DNA that stretches the Offense out to the perimeter, as well as upping the defensive quotient.


    [” Gotta sell high hopes/low expectations when you’re selecting scrubs with the 8th pick, because you like his parents.” – Fluxland ]

    Terrence Ross may very well be the ideal Bench wing, with potential to start, or capable of filling in for an injured Starter. Is that worth an 8th Round pick. Probably. Is it worth more then Drummond? Who knows. Hindsight will figure it out though. If I had a Crystal Ball, I’d rather know if Kate Middleton’s child will be a Raptor fan?


    As to the Dunk contest, I hope TR seizes the moment. Anything that can boost his confidence, strikes me as good for his development.



       “Terrence Ross may very well be the ideal Bench wing, with potential to
      start, or capable of filling in for an injured Starter. Is that worth an
      8th Round pick. Probably. Is it worth more then Drummond? Who knows.
      Hindsight will figure it out though. If I had a Crystal Ball, I’d rather
      know if Kate Middleton’s child will be a Raptor fan”

      I don’t know what any of that means other than a “who knows” statement.  Bottom line, if you’re facing two projects, you pick the big, regardless of who’s on your team.

      • onemanweave

         Was it Portland who picked a big ahead of Jordan? I know they picked Oden ahead of Durant. Bosh ahead of Wade?  Always picking the big is definitely a fool proof policy.

        • Nilanka15

          Perhaps the better rule would be to always pick the player coached by Jim Calhoun…

          • Ol’ Dirty Raptor

            We picked Charlie V..just saying

            • Nilanka15

              lol, good point.

        • DumbassKicker

          No kidding, aye. It’s always these pompous know-it-alls that spout cliches as proof of their superiour intellect, basketball knowledge, and NBA coaching/management skills.

          There were reasons Drummond dropped from #1 prospect to a big risk in almost everybody’s eyes. One was his work ethic. Just a thought, but work doesn’t just involve working the boards and blocking shots while playing 15 minutes a game. Shooting free throws even much worse than Shaq and Dwight isn’t a good sign of work he’s willing to do, but one has to wonder if lack of effort in conditioning ones body to play against men, just relying upon the body he was blessed with, resulted in not 1 but 2 back issues half way through his rookie year. Back problems have a way of never completely going away, so we may be looking at another case of Bowie, or worse Oden.

          I wish the kid well, but wish my team’s kid better. Nobody knows how either of these guys will pan out. It usually takes around 3 years in the NBA before having any kind of accurate view of the career a player will have. Some shine right away, but many don’t. It amazes me that some people claim to have been following the NBA for many years, yet don’t seem to realize that. Every year there’s the odd rookie that fans get all excited about and proclaim future superstardom, only to see him go downhill. Every year there’s the odd rookie that struggles and fans proclaim him to be a bust, only to see him rise to being a quality player down the line. Anybody who has been around the game long enough should realize these things by now, but it’s a different world at RR.

          • FLUXLAND

            Not sure what you just said, that everyone else doesn’t already know.  A lot of typing, zero substance.

            It still doesn’t change the fact (for some, I guess) bigs are a better risk.

            And I do know “boards” win rings, but  let’s cry about his FT shooting, because plenty of bigs that can’t shoot FTs didn’t win rings.  Right.

            P.S. Just go back to p00ka – stop being lame Cptn Obvious.

            • DumbassKicker

              “A lot of typing, zero substance.”

              Oh, like your boy Nilanka, you need pictures to relate? I’d like to help you, but the site doesn’t allow me to draw what you’d understand.

              “It still doesn’t change the fact (for some, I guess) bigs are a better risk.”

              “Fact”? LOL. Opinions, no matter how self-serving, or cliched, aren’t facts. A partial list of teams that may have had a touch of regret from believing that “opinion of risk” is fact:

              2009: Thabeet taken ahead of Harden, Rubio, Steph Curry, DD, Jennings, Holiday, Lawson
              2007: Oden taken ahead of KD
              2003: Darko taken ahead of Wade and Melo
              2001: Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry picked ahead of Shane Battier, Jason Richardson, and even further down the list, DaSagana Diop, Vladimir Radmanovic, Troy Murhpy, Steven Hunter, Kirk Hadley, Jason Collins, all taken well ahead of Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Gerald Wallace.
              1998: Michael Olowokandi, Raef LaFrentz taken ahead of Vince Carter
              1997: Tony Battie, Adonal Foyle chosen ahead of McGrady
              1996: Lorenzen Wright, Samaki Walker, Erick Dampier, Todd Fuller, Vitaly Potapenko all picked ahead of Kobe and Nash

              And of course the most famous of all:
              1984: Sam Bowie taken over Michael Jordan

              In some cases, teams have missed out on HOFers, and got stuck with scrubs, taking that cliched “better risk”.

              “And I do know “boards” win rings, but  let’s cry about his FT shooting,
              because plenty of bigs that can’t shoot FTs didn’t win rings.  Right.”

              Obviously you needed pictures to get the point. I used the 36% FT% as an example to support his work ethic rep., in support of a theory that his back issues (which could now be problematic for the rest of his career) may relate to having not put in the work to prepare his body to bang with men. Half a season and he’s out with back issues. At the end of the day, Detroit may have won the risk for half a season, maybe much more. But as I said, it takes a few years to know whether you made a good draft decision or not, so claiming BC made a mistake in taking Ross over Drummond is nothng but a guess at this point, and has nothing to do with “fact”.

              “P.S. Just go back to p00ka – stop being lame Cptn Obvious.”

              Huh? I don’t know if you’re on bad drugs, but get a hold of yourself.

              PS. For those who find the details a little much, my apologies, but it’s the best I can do to draw a picture for this fool.

              • FLUXLAND

                Again, typing stuff everyone is aware of.

                Look at your own list and try to grasp the fact that even with the benefit of hindsight, GMs have still picked bigs over guards.

                Soo I guess thanks for proving my point, p00ka.

                • DumbassKicker

                  Prove your point? LOLOLOLOLOL. C’mon, you’re not that simple minded are you? What a dumb fuck. You and Nilanka really are kindred jackasses that can’t stand up and take ownership of your dumb declarations, so “cleverly” (in your own minds, haha) re-direct the conversation as some juvenile smoke screen.

                  Your bigs/small bs was what’s a “better risk”, NOT what some GMs do. DOH. And you’re stupid enough to try and cite MASSIVE errors, or horrid draft guesses, as “proving your point” that bigs are a “better risk” as “fact”. Are you really that simple minded?

                  Did your mommy type this reply for you? Because your true voice is sounding like: ” Dohhhhhhh, da biggest mistakes in dat draft histry dun follered my cliched “pick dem biguys,,,,, er,, er,, er (*seal sounds*),,,,,, pick dem biguys,,,,, er,, er,, er (*seal sounds*),,,,,, and aks dem GMs dat blew it follering my fax about biguy risks, er,,,,er,,er,,,er (*seal sounds*)

                  You really are on bad drugs, or a self-righteous loser, or pure dumbass, but my bet is all of the above.

        • FLUXLAND

           Lamest argument ever.  If anything, Brown and Darko are the anti big trend setting picks.

          • onemanweave

             Thanks for helping rebut your own silly statement. I can always count on you.

  • raptorspoo

    What worries me about TR is his inability and unwillingness to penetrate off the dribble. I can see this being a major drawback to his future development. Just like bargs and rebounding.

    • Destro

      My biggest criticism of him is him settling for jumpers and 3 pointers and hardly ever attacking the basket off the dribble…The two times i remember him doing doing it he looked like a seasoned vet..the dish to Jonas off the dribble in Indy and the hop step floater against Miami..he has the quickest first step of anyone on the team…

      Casey should be pushing him to attack more and not settle and i dont think he does…

      hard to really gage his talents when alot of it is underutilized…

      • Nilanka15


        With Ross’ quick 1st step, even a 2 dribble pullup jumper in the paint would be a solid weapon in his arsenal given his shooting/leaping ability.

    • gradgrind101

      Maybe Ross thinks he needs to bring something different from DeRozan and Gay. He’s still a rook and is trying to figure things out…

  • gradgrind101

    Sometimes I really hate this site. Too many experts who piss all over other opinions that don’t match yours.

    Keep things in perspective… Whether it’s JV vs Drummond or TR vs Drummond… They’re all rookies with close to zero nba experience. They have all shown flashes of brilliance but they still might bust in the end.

    I’ll say one thing if all 3 have the same work ethic as DeMar they will at the very least be solid NBA players.