Denver Nuggets 108 Final
Recap | Box Score
109 Toronto Raptors
Amir Johnson, PF 34 MIN | 4-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 8 PTS | +2

Not one of his stronger games, as somewhat expected going up against Faried who makes you work. No complaints in terms of effort and but looked slow-footed at times and didn’t get the spell of rest he needed due to Bargnani’s ineffectiveness. If Ed was around, this was one of those games where Johnson would’ve been given a bit of a rest.

Rudy Gay, SF 25 MIN | 6-14 FG | 4-5 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 17 PTS | +10

Started off like a man on fire, but his tendency to play at half-pace on defense puts him in vulnerable defensive positions, which is partially a reason why he picked up four fouls by the early third and had to sit the entire quarter. Was a bit of a no-show in the fourth until he got his chance with the game on the line. Very similar play as in Indiana and delivered. Again.

Jonas Valanciunas, C 32 MIN | 1-3 FG | 6-6 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 4 TO | 8 PTS | +11

Does he make a silly rookie mistake ever third possession? Probably, just look at his turnover count. But damn, this guy is in the fight for every single rebound that’s out there. Heavy minutes against physical players means a good learning experience tonight, and if this season is about developing, injury aside, he’s working doing it in spades.

Kyle Lowry, PG 37 MIN | 4-10 FG | 1-1 FT | 4 REB | 10 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 11 PTS | 0

Burned by Lawson all game long, partly because he was too aggressive eon the perimeter. And aggressive on defense sometimes means lazy, as in, reaching for the ball, trying to poke it from behind instead of holding his own up-front, etc. Offensively, had a statistically alright game but there are defensive and offensive possessions where the team is desperately looking for stability and leadership and he just doesn’t provide enough of it.

DeMar DeRozan, SG 39 MIN | 8-18 FG | 6-6 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 22 PTS | +1

Matched up against the physical Hamilton, was finding the going tough but managed to hit a couple nice fades over him. Still finding where/how to get his shots with Rudy being the #1 option now. We’ve seen more one-on-one stuff from him of late than we’d like, but the introduction of Gay has meant two things: 1) he sees less double-teams, 2) he doesn’t get as many first touches. He’s adjusting to both and needs to be given a little more time. Once he/Casey learn how to use Gay properly, he will profit. For now,k though, this level of posterization will suffice.

Landry Fields, SF 15 MIN | 2-3 FG | 4-5 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 8 PTS | 0

With Gay in foul trouble, came in to draw a few fouls and was useful in a short stint. Job well done.

Andrea Bargnani, C 18 MIN | 2-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -8

Struggled on defense big time against the agility of the Denver front-line. This was not a good matchup for him and it showed right from the start. Randolph and Faried can neutralize his quickness with ease and eat him up on the glass. This was never going to end well for him, and it didn’t.

John Lucas, PG 14 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 14 PTS | +1

After a dud of a second quarter where Denver erased the Raptors lead on his watch, he came in the fourth to hit four massive threes. The best part was that they were shots that were within the offensive, and funnily enough, the two he forced he missed badly. Nice, somewhat unexpected against Miller, offensive punch from the bench.

Alan Anderson, SG 13 MIN | 4-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | -7

A couple of big shots in the fourth quarter. This guy was due for an efficient performance and he did well in limited minutes. Had a massive offensive rebound off his own miss late which avoided some potentially fatal pressure.

Terrence Ross, SG 14 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 7 PTS | -5

Hit a three early, but overall looked very bad. Very out of sync in terms of footwork, and couldn’t defend anyone, picking up three quick fouls.

Dwane Casey

He did not adjust to Lawson at all and did not even give the Denver PG a second defensive look to think about. I thought this was a game ideal for Quincy Acy, given Denver’s agility but he never saw the court. Also didn’t see a zone despite Denver being a poor 3-pt shooting team and killing us off the dribble. The final play was nice, a clearout for Rudy and luckily for us, Denver didn’t double.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Maurice/551625103 Junior Maurice

    and ppl were bitching when we only gave up calderon and davis for rudy gay, how many game winning shot did calderon had as a raptor ?

    • Adriiian

      Sorry dude, retarded comment. 
      Jose is not Rudy Gay. Jose was invaluable to this team. You can’t compare a 6’3 pass first PG to a 6’9 scoring SF.

      • cdashq

        as invaluable as you may say Jose was, he’s direct impact on close wins was nowhere near the impact Rudy Gay is having. The point Junior is trying to make is the value that Gay has on the Raptors over Ed and Jose. It is quite clear. The comment is retarded if you take it literally, but look deeper and you’ll see what he really meant. 

        • Adriiian

          And the impact without Jose is easy to see. More turnovers, less assists. Rudy has hit 2 game winners, but is still shooting <30% from 3 and hasn't shot over 50% from the field in any game.

          EDIT: Both these games, luck has been on the Raptors favor, which they deserve, but that Amir tie was a fluke with .1. And even tonight, if that retard Anderson wouldn't have gotten his own rebound, who knows where this team would have been. That's the difference between winning and losing I guess.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Maurice/551625103 Junior Maurice

            dude we won the game point blank , a win is win and we will take it anyway it comes. You got a problem with that go and support a different team

            • Adriiian

              I support this team. You started to compare Jose to Rudy Gay. I was just backing up my point.

              • FAQ

                It’s just a t.h.f. game winning circle jerk… because the TRaps nearly lost to a team missing three of it’s starters… LOL

                • Realist

                  Did a t.h.f kill your only friend? Steal your car? Steal your girl?

                  I don’t understand your obsession with sticking it to the t.h.fs. They seem like a sad bunch = you seem like a sad person

                • FAQ

                  Gawd!!! You totally lack a SOH (Sense Of Humour) … yer totally besotted with yer beloved Ratpors… LOL

                • Phat AlberG

                  Spurs were missing 3 starters and they beat the Bulls…. So what’s your point

          • Milesboyer

            Using the word retard makes you sound like a retard.  Games may seem to be won or lost on flukey plays but if you don’t have the talent to stay in the game then those lucky bounces become irrelevant.  There is no disputing that the talent level has gone up since Rudy Gay has joined the team.

      • Joefresh

        sorry dude retarded comment.

      • Rapsloyalist

        Jose wasn’t resigning in the offseason unless we way way way overpaid and he was brutal on D which made his O way less valuable than the box score would have you believe….Ed is a nice young player but we have other good PFs and PF is the easiest position to fill in the draft or free agency..so basically we traded Ed to turn our biggest weakness (SF) into our biggest strength…and SF is the hardest position to fill in the draft or free agency…Plus, the whole save the cap space thing is a joke because nobody that is young and all-star level (aka Rudy Gay) is signing in Toronto as a free agent (especially if we aren’t even a playoff team)

        BC haters will hate on his moves no matter what they are….Ed Davis for Rudy Gay was an absolute steal…just accept reality and move on.

        • sleepz

          If you make those comparisons in a vaccum you can always make enough arguments to satisfy your claims.

          What about the other aspects of this trade?

          No mention of salary (inflated), possiblitiy of paying a ‘non franchise’ player $20,000,000+ in the near future, on the fly team building (no good teams build their team changing their core group every year), no financial flexibility at all to improve the team, no draft pick this year to hopefully improve the team (who said SF is the hardest position in the draft to find? You’re making this up), very little team depth. Cap space is actually not a joke for most contending teams homey.

          For “BC lovers”, you can’t make any arguments as to what he’s done well for this franchise. 7 years, 1 winning season and no plan of action. Just cut and paste and hope it works. Who’s the core of this franchise? BC teams building is the biggest joke.

          While you may call Gay a steal, I call it adding a better player via trade in an attempt to hopefully reach the 8th seed one of these years with NO plan on how to build a team that can sustain winning.

          • Hound

            What makes the trade a steal is the fact that ED is a rotation player at best. He, nor Jose, were in the future plans. So although Rudy is a bit overpaid (4m or so) he can be part of our future as he is only 26.

            I don’t think there is such a thing as a BC Lover!

          • Rapsloyalist

            If you don’t think SF is the hardest potion to fill just look at the league.  There are way more quality PFs than there is just about any other position.  Every draft and free agency there are PFs but SFs that are good are a very rare commodity   Besides centers, wing is the hardest potion to find elite talent at. 

            Rudy may not be AAA elite but he is very very good…and that is a huge improvement for the Raps at SF.

            It’s been a long time since I had hope in this team…but I do now.

      • ad

         This guys love for calderon has no limit. Your the retard. Jose cant even do half the things rudy can do on the basketball court. Or if you want a better comparison, Jose cant do half the things lawson or lowry can do.

        • knickz

          besides rebounding, what does lowry do better than jose?

          • ad

             Create his own shot, draw contact and get to the FT line, make big plays on d (case in point, disrupting the last play of the game). No way calderon does that that on that play. Just doesnt have the instincts and tenacity lowry has on defense. However, I know whatever I say I cant convince you calderon fanboys. So im just wasting my time.

          • Jeevu

            he is better at being black. 

        • sleepz

          No love for Calderon. For me it’s a love for my team and hoping someone else starts running it who knows how to do the job.

    • IC

      Not a good idea to compare the two players who play in different positions and have completely different roles. That being said, we now have a legit, consistent scoring threat in Gay. Calderon was streaky but very inconsistent. He was also as useful as a floor lamp on defence. Yes, Gay’s main deficiency is his low field goal percentage, but I’ll take that if it means 20 plus points a night on average, big time shots, and some decent D. Calderon can’t defend, much like Bargnani, who also has to go, and I’m glad we’re no longer complete pushovers anymore.

      • Lucas

        Calderon inconsistent? The guy has been one of the leaders in assists for many years, while committing very few turnovers. Jose had been the most consistent Raptor in years. Now, Gay is a true closer, and I’m happy we have him now. We will win many games because of him and I’m sure he will hit game winners on the way. But be sure that there will be close games that the Raptors will eventually lose because of turnovers and poor ball moviment and that’s when Calderon will be missed. 

        • IC

          Yeah but how many close ones did the Raps lose in no small part due to Calderon’s porous defending? I’m referring to his inconsistency on the scoring end. No doubt he was a great distributer. He wasn’t called upon to score in any case, but Lowry’s been dishing it fairly well along with Derozan and Lowry’s only averaging about one less assist per game than Calderon and has a higher efficiency rating. We havent really missed Jose all that much although we’re considerably less deep at PG – assuming that Lucas III can’t keep his hot streak up forever. As for Rudy and Jose, they’ve got similar efficiency ratings this season despite Rudy’s poor FG%. Calderon was always going to be a quality player, but not on Gay’s level in terms of value added.

          • FAQ

            … and pudgy Lowry’s defensive play against Ty Lawson was spectacular too….

            • IC

              One game. He may not be an amazing defending either, but he’s a step up over Jose, which is saying a lot about how bad he was.

              • FAQ

                Stop making excuses for that Ball of Fat … he’s slow to defend and slow to initiate a half-court play … he just dribbles deep in the backcourt trying to think of something to do while he has the ball in his hands.  No ball.. no think.. NO GOOD ..!!!

                • IC

                  Dude had the MGD smooth play of the game with a sick defence splitting pass lol. Don’t hate. He’s got junk in the trunk but he’s quick for his size and penetrates well.

                • RaptorFan

                  Dude relax….Lowry is our starting PG now. He’s better than you make him out to be…

                  Maybe now that our team has a legit SF in Rudy Gay …. Jose has a good reason to come back and we should be able to make it work financially.

                  Lowry will do for now… I think he will improve with more time playing with this core….you think?

                • FAQ

                  Kyle is not a deevelopmental player any more, he’s being rated as a Top 10 PG … so he should be capable of taking charge at PG and running plays for all the players. Instead he is revealing a streak of incapability that becomes a weak link at a most important position on a b’ball team …PG… he’s the QB who runs plays.  Kyle is a streetballin’ player who only functions when he’s got the ball in his hands, and has to hold it while trying to imagine some kind of play.  He’s not truly competent.. just compare him to Ty Lawson …. NO COMPARISON..!!!

                • RaptorFan

                  Top 10 PG? I guess on some nights….. Regardless, he’s our PG now…lay off the hate dude… who else should we start?

                  KL had 10 assists…..we have RUDY and Demar as our primary scorers….and they BRING it on most nights (check their season averages).

                  He’s not truly competent??….WOW…maybe you hate KL because he reminds you of yourself…..short…pudgy….overweight…..sooo Obvious!!

                  the only difference is Kyle Lowry makes millions playing for your team in the NBA …lol

                • ghotte

                  One of the reasons this team is better than the pre-Rudy Gay Raptors is the “streetball” in them. They now have the talent to beat teams using their athletic ability. That just wasn’t the case before. 

                  With more time, the strategy and tactics they are learning – which will only come by getting more familiar with one another – will only improve and put them in even better position to get some W’s.

                  Just need time. Not trades.

                • Jeevu

                  yea he is a self hating faggot. 

                • Dan

                   Jose is no comparison to Lawson either. Do you really think Jose would have slowed down Lawson any better.  They won 23 games last year and 22 the year before and not looking much better this year. Jose put up nice stats as did Andrea and Demar. Basketball is a two way sport and none of those guys are high impact players. Indiana Gay struggled most of the game and came up huge in the 4th. Jose is always great the first three quarters then shrank in the 4th. Stats don’t always measure the impact a player has on the game and Jose was hardy a high impact player. Jose doesn’t fit the style this team wants to play. He is a half court player. How many more fast breaks and easy baskets have we seen the past 5 games. Jose ran a very predictable offense where you were always playing against a set defense.

            • ad

               Are you fucking kidding me? Did you see lowry disrupt that last play? No way calderon does that. If calderon is defending, lawson goes right past him for an easy lay in.

              • CJT

                lowry ran in to the screen and Rudy Gay defended the last play. 

            • ghotte

              Good game by Lowry. We are a much more tenacious, defensive, grind-it-out team without Jose running the show. Wish he were still on the team as a backup PG but you have to give to get. 

              Lawson is a tough cover for anyone in this league; one of the reasons the Nuggets are 3rd in the West – an upper echelon team. 

              • Dan

                 It’s not even that they are Street Ballers it’s that they are Basketball players. The reason Jose had to run an offense is because majority of the guys on this team Jose included were not talented enough to score points on their own. Even Casey himself commented he does not like to run a lot of plays because it makes the team less predictable and that’s how they had success in Dallas. Jose ran nothing but pick and roll form the top of the three point line. That’s why they always lost 4th quarter leads. Teams would easily take away Jose’s pick and rolls and the team was left to take end of clock long two’s.

        • Phat AlberG

          Jose Calderon was a terrible point guard!   Can’t defend! Doesn’t drive the lane and doesn’t push the ball.  Dude you guys honestly need get of this guy jock strap he wasn’t good at all!  Honestly he was pretty terrible, for his career he averages 10p 7ast you swear this guy is John Stockton 

          • The Truth

             Yeah, because stats are everything. Kyle averages 10.6 points 4.6 assists for his career. Does that mean he is “pretty terrible”, or is that just a really bad use of stats you brought to the table there?

    • morons

      the retards on here (you know who you are) would have you believe that ed or jose would’ve made those game winners against indy and denver. 

      • IC

        Calderon is a bit player. Rudy’s borderline franchise material.

        • ad

           EXACTLY. This X10000000

        • sleepz

          Really? Says who? The franchise that just traded him or the franchsie that tries to turn everyone they acquire into franchise material?

          Not arguing who is better between Jose and Gay but now Gay is “borderline franchise” material. lol

          BC’s got you guys wide open.

      • sleepz

        Maybe not but would they have needed a game winner to rely upon?

        Amazing how some of you look at things in one dimension.

        • morons

          yep, you’re one of the retards I was talking about. dumbass.

          • sleepz

            I can tell your ball saavy is lacking so if that is your response, good job ‘morons’.

            • morons

              lmao you talk about ball saavy yet you’re the one bitching up and down this boards in a violent hissy fit of rage seeing what apparently only YOU can see….. you sound like a bitch when you talk and I call it when I see it. if it looks like a bitch, talks like a bitch and walks like a bitch. it’s a bitch. fucking dumbass.

    • The Truth

      The point most people against the trade – including myself – made is that it doesn’t improve the team significantly enough compared to the amount it further ties us up going forward.

      I don’t see how a couple of short term wins dismisses that point, if anything it validates the argument that BC made the trade to get a few short term wins to bolster his chances of getting his contract extended at the expense of any chance of further improvement in future years.

      He talks a great talk but if he doesn’t flow through with something else significant before the trade deadline and/or spend over the cap as hinted at I don’t actually see this team as significantly better than the one we had, just different.

      • sleepz

        All BC’s moves are short term. The only thing he has done with an eye to the future is drafting Jonas and even in his rookie season the organization (Casey is most guilty imho) has not taken a consistent approach in his development.

        I totally agree with you that this team is just the same as it was before. Sure having Rudy Gay is nice but they are still a medicore 9 or 10th place team in the conference just like they were before the trade.

        The great thing about BC is it only takes a little time before his hastily made moves start going south and we get to see him for what he truly is, a spin doctor on the level of most politicians.

      • Nilanka15

        I would rather have overpaid players who contribute to winning, than overpaid players who don’t (i.e. Bargnani, Fields, Kleiza).

        Get rid of the worthless contracts, and flexibility is restored.

        • The Truth

          Yeah, what every team wants is one of those guys overpaid with multiple years left on their contracts. I bet we get some really sweet assets with completely reasonable deals back for them.

          • Nilanka15

            I simply need to point to the Turkoglu for Barbosa trade as evidence that horrible contracts can be dealt for useful contracts.

            • The Truth

              Oh yeah, great example! Are you really telling me you really think Leandro was worth 7 million the 2 years he was here (keeping in mind when he was eventually picked up by the Celtics he got 1.3 million)?

              To me he was just another of the overpaid role players you complain so bitterly about. Is that really the shining example you want to follow?

              • Nilanka15

                Did acquiring Barbosa provide us with financial flexibility that was lost when Turkoglu was signed?  Yes.

                No reason why history can’t repeat itself.

                • The Truth

                  Yeah…two years later when we turned him into a second round draft pick. That’s what I love about Toronto sports fans, success is turning your biggest free agent splash ever into a second round draft pick.

                • Nilanka15

                  What to do with the flexibility is a different topic altogether. 

                  My point is that it is possible to unload some of our bad contracts.

                  Gay’s contract isn’t the problem.

                • The Truth

                  It’s everything to do with flexibility, because you act like BC is magically going to shift all these guys overnight and poof flexibility is back baby.

                  I know that is the way he talks, but in reality in the best deal you could point to as an example of that actually happening most of the cap space involved was still locked up in Barbosa for near on 2 years afterwards.

                  Gay’s contract isn’t the problem, Bargnani’s contract isn’t the problem, Field’s contract isn’t the problem, Kleiza’s contract isn’t the problem. None of them is the problem in isolation, but in combination they are *all* part of it. Ultimately the end result is the same, we stretch out the mediocrity for a few more years and then we rotate the deck chairs again.

                • sleepz

                  +2

                • DumbassKicker

                  To be technical, it’s not impossible, but your previous post seemed to imply, in a casual kind of way, that it’s not difficult to return the flexibility; just unload these 3 guys, bingo, achieved. To which The Truth’s post was essentially it’s not so easy.

                  “No reason….”?

                  Aside from such deals being very rare, as in not so easy to unload overpaid undesirable players, there’s a couple of issues that make things very different than the historical example your give:

                  1. 3 players totaling $20M, is not not 1 player at $10M
                  2. The new CBA has significantly changed the landscape from that which Hedo was unloaded.

                  Those 2 things may not say it’s impossible, but they say it would be far more difficult than justifies casually brushing off flexibility concerns with a “just unload these 3, because it’s been done before with 1″ (ignoring the realities of the CBA changing the world GMs live in).

            • sleepz

              Was Barbosa a useful player though?

              When Turk was signed the thought delivered by the team was that he was going to take us to the 2nd round with Bosh.

              BC trades that terrible contract a year later and the fan base is happ cuz they got rid of him.

              The fanbase should have dragged BC out onto Bay Street after that signing and not l;et him back in the building.

              Same thing with Andrea. He gets re-upped and he is now “a cornerstone of this franchise” while BC is otubidding himself giving him a contract no one else would. Now we’re at the point where anything he gets traded for will be preceived as better already. Bar lowering accomplished.

              Another drag him out onto Bay Street contract given out by one of the worst GM’s in the league.

        • sleepz

          Get rid of the worthless contracts?

          How? You know better than to make that suggestion like it’s  so easy.

          Flexibility is never restored when Colangeblow is giving out bad contracts left and right. Imagine what would have happened to this team if Nash actually took the money offered to him in the offseason? LOL. BC is the master of giving out bad contracts so he can trade them a year later and say “see, look what I turned the scrub I signed 2 years earlier into”

          Andrea might have some trade value but Fields is a contract that is going to stay on these books. Kleiza might be an amnesty candidate but what about Demars $10 mil next year. You think Lowry won’t be getting a fat pay raise in the offseason or next year when he turns a FA?

          Thats not to mention what is going to happen when Rudy comes back in 24 months with a 22ppg scoring average shooting 40% from the field. He’s not taking a paycut for the sake of the team.

          I would rather only pay players that contribute to winning and even in that context I’m only paying big dollars to stars that are carrying my team to the playoffs year in and year out trying to get a chip. I like Rudy but he isn’t worth the money.

          • morons

            then tell us who these players are that you’d like to spend money on? chris paul and d12 want to come here this offseason right moron? oh no no, nevermind we need to throw way a bunch of seasons in the hope that we’ll have a 25% chance (at best) at an elite player that comes around every 10 years. another fantasy land comment from the retard sleepz

  • thatpeterguy

    I hope…

    • FAQ

      I cope…

      • Marc

        You dope

        • FAQ

          You grope…

          • Raps

            You mope

            • onemanweave

              Thank you guys, for amusing my friend Faq.  I know he can be a tad annoying by times and he repeats himself, repeats himself, repeats himself.
                 He has been on medication to address deep-seated self-doubt and feelings of inferiority. Unfortunately, it has worked so well he now believes everyone else is inferior. 
                 Honk if you love Faq.

              • FAQ

                … honk… LOL

                • thatpeterguy

                  Sorry guys. I think I just miss my friend Andy.

  • trample54

    On AB, clearly this was a bad game let’s point out the obvious. And I know that many Raptor ‘fans’ are gonna crucify him and say trade him. He’s had 1 bad game since he came back so lay off a little. Not trying to make excuses for him but relax, there are more games to go. On many different blogs and pages there are so many tradebargnani posts, (note that hashtags are for twitter and nothing else) and I would be happy if he gets a trade that benefits him, not a trade that saves BC’s ass. Coming off the bench in limited minutes is seeming to be a problem, it’s still early but it looks like he’s not comfortable with it. 

    • j bean

      Totally disagree. He had a poor game and maybe being sick had something to do with it. The good news is that his performance never cost the game like it has in the past because he is no longer expected to lead the team in scoring every game. If he is traded or if he stays here coming off the bench in limited minutes is what he is going to be doing so he had best get comfortable with it. He’ll get better.

      • Gman

        The guy was a game time decision because his flu symptoms were so bad.  In this we cut the guy some slack.  He looks like this in a week, we chase him out of town like he’s Frankenstein.

        • ghotte

          Give him a pass. Probably for tomorrow as well. 

          Think he is really starting the play well within the system – as shown in that Indiana game especially. Taking better shots rather than being the man and jacking whenever he gets his hands on the ball. 

          Since he’s not getting traded (there’s no one we’ll get back with his talent; Blair? Boozer? All stinkers!) let’s see what he can do on this new team!

    • Guest

      Good point about coming off the bench being uncomfortable for him. He should just stay there.

    • RapthoseLeafs

       .
      As Jbean said, the flu impacted his game. Andrea had very little energy – he was game time decision – and he really shouldn’t have played. Bela Lugosi looked better at opening night for Plan 9 from Outer Space.

      AB did what he needed to do, eat up some minutes for Casey. New York is on tomorrow, and all hands will be needed.

      Not sure why Acy is not getting some minutes. He’s net +16 in  on court/off court, and third on the team in Simple rating. lol

      I like Acy. I think he’s under-rated. His Reggie look detracts from his abilities. 
      I wish Casey would play him more.
      .

      • trample54

        I’m not saying no that he didn’t he didn’t feel sick before the game. Hold on I dont hate the guy, very much on his bandwagon but I honestly don’t know limited minutes will work for him. IMO. 

        • j bean

          His minutes are tied to how well the team does with him on the floor. 
          If he out rebounds, plays better defensively and out scores Amir he’ll see more minutes. Surely you don’t want to see him getting big minutes when other guys are out playing him.

        • onemanweave

          Most times, in sports, minutes increase in proportion to performance.  With Andrea, somehow that formula got turned around.
             He does NOT play better, the longer he plays.  He begins to duck defensive and rebounding assignments and his long range shooting,  which hasn’t been good for several seasons now, gets worse. He isn’t conditioned well enough; deos not have the cardio-vascular system, or both, to play extended minutes. Never has.
             He had a couple decent games coming off the bench. This one, for whatever reason, wasn’t good. Stay the course with him. He might help as a part-timer and I doubt Toronto gets anything but a different kind of headache if they trade him.

      • JerryGarcia

        I am missing Acy as well….hell…..i miss Reggie…..

  • jacobdrichards4

    I’m not trying to be too negative here, but C is too high for Ross he had a horrible game.

    • ghotte

      He started out well, looking composed and running the offense. Then got exposed on defense which through him completely off. A little more mental toughness needed here. 

      Funny: Since his breakout 20+ pt game he’s generally stunk up the joint. Think he just needs to simplify things.

      • Hound

        He needs to go to the Dunk Contest, hopefully fuck up, and then get his ass into the meetings, soak up the coaching and start trying to get better at all aspects of the game.

        I think he has been concentrating on the wrong things. He is raw and needs to learn, practice and start shooting better. I would rather he hits 3 threes per game and defends better, and I never see him dunk again.

        • ghotte

          Would be better if he didn’t hit three’s and rather take it to the basket more. He appears to settle on his shot rather than take what the D gives him.

  • leftovercrack

    Too bad we sucked so badly at the start of the season, otherwise this team could be in the playoff hunt

    • j bean

      Win 2 out of 3 the rest of the way and they’ll have a shot.

  • Buschfire

    I have to say that dunk by DeMar in the 2nd was probably his best in game dunk of all time. Also Rudy FTW… I’d do that deal again and again for Calderon and Davis….and again.

    • RapthoseLeafs

       Here here

      • Scottbbaird

        Hear, hear

        Hear, hear is an expression used as a short, repeated form of hear him, hear him. It represents a listener’s agreement with the point being made by a speaker. In recent usage it has often been re-analysed as here, here, although this is incorrect.

        • FAQ

          … there there ….

        • Ihatehaters

          Scottbbaird = Language Hero of the Internets

        • RapthoseLeafs

           Hear hear

          Thanks Scott … you are right. My comment was in the heat of the moment, or is that heat of the night.

          :-0

          .

    • Sig

       Definitely his best in game dunk so far in his career

      • ghotte

        Fantastic dunk. Through the contact. Tough.

    • FAQ

      That sucking sound you hear is the tribal honking fan fellatio moment.

      • Gman

        Really?  Are you that messed up that we’re winning?

        • FAQ

          How not to win a game …. LOL

    • Nilanka15

      The question is, why does he not attack with such ferocity more often (instead of the weak double-pump, arm flails we always see)?

      I’m not expecting him to posterize someone on every drive, but he’ll definitely get more calls if he embraces contact.

      • Facial

        so he did good??  Did he finally earn your respect?  The kid is 23…..there are plenty more dunks like this as he becomes stronger :) 

        • Nilanka15

          It was a sick dunk, no doubt.

          But I’d much rather have a shooting guard who knows how to shoot and dribble.  23 is too damn old to be that weak in the ball-handling department (something he should’ve figured out before college).

          • ghotte

            The guy has shown growth every single year, ha become more consistent in almost all aspects of his game. To suggest he’s already peaked at 23 is ridiculous!

  • knickz

    the more good rudy does, the more i want bc fired

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      that doesn’t make sense. 

      • DC

        Probably bec he could of just drafted rudy gay in the first place instead of bargs and had a legit star player playing along with bosh while he was here. Is most likely what he means. Instead of having to trade for him in the long run and wasting a whole bunch of time and assets over the years searching for that legit wing we needed the past 6- 7 years. 

        • Shhhhh

          Yes if only he could have seen the future

        • Guest

          Ain’t hindsight grand.

          We should fire him for picking DeRozan over Jrue Holiday as well.  Would have saved us from dealing a pick for Lowry and the current logjam of wings.  Actually, can the entire franchise.  Had we drafted Kobe instead of Camby back in ’96, the 2 spot would have been set for over a decade.

        • FAQ

          Rudolph was lucky he wasn’t drafted by BC.. because if he was, he wouldn’t be banking $17 mil p.a.!!!

        • RapthoseLeafs

          [ ” … Instead of having to trade for him in the long run and wasting a whole
          bunch of time and assets over the years searching for that legit wing we
          needed the past 6- 7 years. ….” ]

          Who’s to say that the Rudy Gay we have, isn’t a function of Andrea Bargnani being chosen by BC. Who’s to say Rudy’s time in Memphis hasn’t been instrumental to the Rudy Gay we have.

          Who’s to say I didn’t waste 6 – 7 minutes explaining all this.

          .

        • Hound

          Stop it already. Every GM in the league was going to take bargs with the #1 pick that year. BC has plenty of fuckups, starting with the way he handled Bargnoodle since he showed up, but drafting him isn’t one of them.

          • sleepz

            Lol. That’s a HUGE assumption that I am confident is way off-base.

          • Nilanka15

            I don’t blame Colangelo for picking Bargnani, but he wasn’t the consensus #1.  Aldridge, Gay and even Morrison were discussed as possibilities (depending on which mock draft you look up).

          • The Truth

             In isolation picking Bargs was fine, what was not fine was how far down the road he has been prepared to kick that can when it became clear he just wasn’t as good as they expected/wanted him to be.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Sorry BC couldn’t find his draft genie ball and predict who would be the better player in 6-7 years, so that he wouldn’t have to waste all his assets. Give me a break.

      • j bean

        Knickz logic is that after seeing the impact of the trade bc should have done more earlier.

  • j bean

    A win sure feels better than a loss. This felt like a game the Raps lost over and over the last few years but not this time. That’s 4 of 6 since the trade mostly against good teams. 

    • leftovercrack

      We have a couple of games coming up against the Knicks, they will be a test

      • FAQ

        … more likely they will be a testicle…. 8P

        • j bean

          Maybe you should run your material past your momma before you try it out on us. You seem to be slipping.

          • FAQ

            … so yer testicles are the size of beans …??!!!

      • j bean

        True. The Raps aren’t going win all the rest of their games but it looks like they can play with anyone. 

        • FAQ

          … particularly a visiting team crippled with the loss of three of their starters … and win on the last shot.

        • ghotte

          Wow. FAQ is really trolling tonight…

          Anyway: The raps are a much different team now. Clearly. Whether against good teams or bad teams they are bringing the effort. Sure there are spells when the offense grinds to a halt (this is where Jose would have been useful) but they had those spells before too. Just a familiarity thing imo

          • FAQ

            Casey & coaching staff are learning with new surprises every game with this bunch of disparate patchwork of players trying to play as a proper NBA team.  They must cringe and expecting the worse from their PG-deficient roster.  Lyle and Lucas are not starting PG players, and never will be… soooo obvious.

  • Holycraptors.com

    The game winner was nice, but it was just as encouraging to see the Raptors end the game with a defensive stop.

    Oh, and Mozgov.

  • Adriiian

    Its a W.
    You can’t argue with the result.
    Although if Alan wouldn’t have gotten his own rebound off that miss, who knows what would have happened?

    • Disforpdb

       you are an idiot

    • CJT

      that’s the beauty of reality it happens.  So why ponder the if’s that didn’t happen.  If Lawson wasn’t way faster than Lowry, if Faried wasn’t a beast, if……but they are.  Good win over a good team. 

  • cdashq

    This game right here showcased the value of basically all the players on the team, including Bargnani, who basically has no value on this team and most certainly should be moved pretty soon. 

    • FAQ

      Ty Lawson >>>>>>>>> Pyle Lowry …. soooo obvious

    • RapthoseLeafs

      I like how you wrapped your whole philosophy into one neat little package, and came up with Bargs.

      Why waste all those extraneous words and just say what you wanted to say – “Bargnani has no value on this team”.

      I wouldn’t say this game showcased our talent. Certainly not Ross. Fields was okay, but I expect more from him. And Demar’s 8-18 is not showcase game. Plus 70 Points in the paint by Denver doesn’t help.

      .

      I really hope Andrea gets traded, so that he can reboot his career in front of fans that don’t boo him (for things like simply returning from injuries).

      What I don’t hope for, is the return package that comes to Toronto. One which will most likely be crap, or saddle the Raptors with future Cap issues. We’ll spend x number of dollars paying for “whoever”, while losing one level of flexibility or last resort (Amnesty) – even though I disagree with using it on Andrea.

      .

  • Simon

    Just wanted to point out that Denver did double Rudy Gay on the last play. The defender just didn’t get there in time. In that situation Gay is ISO’d on right side and then driving to his right baseline, and the defender (a) doesn’t have time to arrive, and (b) is essentially cut off from Gay by the primary defender. Beauty move. Should be able to get that shot against man-defence every time regardless of the double.

    • IC

      He’s got a fantastic J. He’s so long and shoots at max elevation which makes it’s almost unblockable when taken quick off the dribble.

  • Your Conscious

    I’ll take 82 ugly wins over 82 good morale, team building, pound the rock smashing losses

    • FAQ

      … but will you be happy with say only 32 wins…. ???

  • Lino Dinardo

    No doubt BC is feeling an itch to pull a trigger on a trade to try to put us over the top and make a run for the post season..

    if they win tommorow, I expect it to happen after the all-star break

  • HeGotBrain

    Lawson’s a nice point guard. If he were a Raptor we’d have something…

    • Dc

      Yep BC could of drafted him too. Another one of his many fuck ups. 

  • Holycraptors.com

    Raps got to the line more than Denver tonight, and their FT % was over 90. Nice to see in a close game.

  • Disforpdb

    watching a raptors game feels way more exciting now since the rudy gay trade. raptors may not make the playoff but the core makes so much more sense now that we are not baby sitting andrea. Hopefully we can trade him when his value is up for more defensive oriented players.

  • KJ-B

    So no one’s talking about the DeRozan smash??? That’s an A+++ in my books….WOOOW!!!

    • FAQ

      When you go to bed tonight, wearing yer #10 jersey and playing with yerself,  fantasize about that dunkeroo….

  • FAQ

    Notwithstanding the semi-heroics of the PGs, both are deficient playmakers and poor ball handlers when under pressure.  Lowry was trapped a lot and that made him hesitant… so he played deep in the backcourt making his passes to the wings very long.  Lowry is a coward because he knows he has limited skills… and he’s out of shape… he’s a roly-poly piece of pudge… sooo obvious.

    If Bargs is gonna be traded, it better be for a half-decent PG… not Boozer.

    In post-game interviews you could sense that Rudolph Gay was somewhat reticent in his remarks about the game because he knew, and it was painfully evident that the TRaps desperately need a strong starting PG.  Gay was also thinking about what he has gotten into with the TRaps… they’re worse than he thought and that puts the pressure to perform on his shoulders.  An effective PG would reduce that pressure.

    The TRaps unjelled badly because they are a patchwork of players and not a true functioning team. 

    • IC

      The guy had a double double night and has had some monster games this season. Sure he sucked on D tonight, but if 11 and 1o is a really bad game for Lowry, then sign me up! As for the Raps putting the pressure on Gay’s shoulders, if anything Lucas put the team on his shoulders after Gay got into foul trouble. Gay just had to make one shot, albeit a huge one. But it’s not fair to say Gay had no help when it was the rest of the team that stepped up in his absence tonight.

    • Lino Dinardo

      that is such a ridiculous reach.. you are actually telling us .. not suggesting, but  telling us what he was thinking by .. can you tell us what he is thinking to have for breakfast tomorow?

      • IC

        So true. In the interview I saw right after the game on court, Rudy praised the team for stepping up. He didn’t look dejected and acknowledged he had a bad game because of foul trouble. The Raps weren’t playing against the Wizards. This is a strong Denver team and they also held their own against a strong Pacers team that hadnt lost at home in 15 games. I don’t think he thinks the raps are a weak team at all.

      • FAQ

        … you could read it on Rudy’s face … sooooooo obvious… LOL

        • IC

          Dude, you’re imagining things.

          • FAQ

            Obviously you don’t have NBATV ….

            • Ihatehaters

              Obviously you don’t have a clue…

              • FAQ

                … and you don’t have NBATV either… sooo obvious.

    • Tevinpeterson

      What did rudolph say ?

      • FAQ

        … let me guide your sleigh tonight ….??

    • ad

       OK, are you and adrinann lovers? Do you regularly partake in threesomes with calderon? How many 11 pts 10 assts games did calderon have? TONS. If this is a bad game for lowry, I’ll take it.

    • Lafayette

      Way way way  too negative ! Get a    life!

  • RaptorFan

    CHEER UP we won against a really good team. Dwane Casey gets a C+? DEMAR gets a b? Cant be serious….

    • FAQ

      …. and missing three (3) of their starters…. otherwise the TRaps would have lost by 20… at least…

      • IC

        More use of your crystal ball lol.

      • jacobdrichards4

        Can we stop making excuses for why we won, It’s a fucking win.

        • FAQ

          TRap coaching staff can’t be happy with how the team played against a crippled, visiting Nugget team…

          • Risingaction2004

            Hahaha lets pretend you have a clue FAQ since you seem like the type to never concede to anyone else.. You still need to get a life. Seriously. I have no delusions about the raps but it was a fun game and you get pleasure out of raining on parades. Sad man, sad.

            • FAQ

              Actually, I was rooting for the Nuggets in the last minutes… because they bravely overcame the loss of three starters and were playing on the road.  TRaps didn’t deserve the win, and you know it… but you can’t face that reality.

            • j bean

              Please don’t be hard on our friend FAQ. He has “special ” needs and calling other people names makes him feel better.

              • FAQ

                hey, jelly beans …. what is yer favourite flavour and colour …??

  • Destro
  • Roarque

    Thank you JL3 (again) and thank you AA and Landry Fields – these were the “bench” players who saved this game so that RG could play the hero. That is not meant to disrespect RG’s ability to close the game but without the aforementioned Raptors the well coached Nuggets ( playing without three starters) would have run away with the game in the third.

    I really respect the Nuggets – they are a very good team.

    Go Raps!!

    • ghotte

      Fields should get more playing time. The Raptors don’t need AA’s scoring going forward. They do need the rebounds, defense and cuts that Fields brings – and what AA has been doing in the past (to be fair.) AA’s clutch shooting won’t be needed as much.

      • CJT

        They seriously needed those big threes he hit last night.  He was key to turning the momentum back our way during the 4th.

  • Dabosskwasia

    DeRozan deserves a A+ based on that poster of Mozgov alone period  o.0 

  • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

    Looking at the team stats, Denver beat or tied Toronto in every respect except for 3-pt shooting. That is what actually made the difference. But Toronto was close or tied in everything except for a deficit of seven rebounds.

    We shouldn’t forget that Denver is (was) the hottest team in the league. It’s also worth noticing I think that the Raps delivered on a great opportunity to make up one whole game on all the teams in the 8th seed playoff race.

    If Lucas can maintain his 3-pt prowess, he is a huge asset to the team. Since he is too small to play any position except PG, he deserves to be the unchallenged second-string at that position. No need to trade for a 3rd stringer. A call-up would suffice there. If we trade, it should be for a rebounding post-playing PF. But if I’m the GM, I just ride with these guys, including Bargs, until the off-season. Unless, of course, some contending team makes me a nice offer for Bargs. Or Fields.

    • The Truth

      We’ve already seen how this movie ends, Lucas can’t maintain his 3-pt prowess. Remember how everyone was raving about him in pre-season games and then he stunk it up for the entire season until the last couple of games?

      • CJT

        You mean when he was getting 2 minutes a game?  Pretty tough to develop any consistency or confidence when you don’t see the floor.

  • NyAlesund

    The most deceiving stats 11 points and 10 assists. Lowry got torched all the game by  Lawson, that abused him. We conceded over 70 points in the paint because nobody was able to contain the dribble penetration. Lowry was one of the worst but the stats at the end of the game are good. Unfortunately Lawson scored 29 points with 12-20 from the field.

    If we won we have to  thanks Lucas, Anderson and Rudy for the buzzer.

    I can’t stand him.

    Colangelo
    Great acquisition. Without him we would have won this game and the previous against Pacers. We need a good PG.

    • Phat AlberG

      Dude Lawson is a beast no one can stop that guy, did you see when drove the lane and body Val out of way for the layup.   Why you think Denver is the playoff’s is because of Lawson, and Kyle did what he could and as long they won who cares on to the next.  

    • Destro

      Delusional post of the day…

      Ty Lawson is a near All star calibre PG not Lowry not many guards can contain him off the dribble,watch some damn games….Lowry actually played a decent game defensively…he created some havoc on the ball including the final missed shot by Lawson…

      Im convinced some of you dont even watch the games…

      • NyAlesund

        I watched the game.
        Lawson: 15 points average, yesterday 29 easy.

        Yes delusional post……………………………….

  • downtown

    another nerve wrecking game. started very well, but continued as a contest in which Denver was breaking out every 2 minutes, and needed just a small push to finish the raptors off in third quarter already. Grades given above, in particular those given out to derozan, fields, ross, and coach are too high. derozan is now defacto defensive liability. his ball handling skills deteriorated so much in the last 10 games, that is hard to believe. But the worst thing about him is, once he lost the ball on the offense, he does not run back and try to make the defensive stand, he rather chooses to stay back and bemoan with the refs. Needs a bit of sobering up… also, derozan needs to run towards the basket more, and  not fear contact that much. Gay, on the other hand, showed somewhat way too much of a “nonchalance” and “elegance” while handling the ball. Careless passes, lacking urgency on delivering the ball to the other player… I thought for a moment he was shooting a commercial for a clothes line, rather than playing the game. 
    Every single raptor player turned the ball over, and even a simple pass back to the teammate appears to be a difficult proposition. Ross – plays very, very predictable defense. Jumps on every pump fake,  produces multitude of “and-ones” for the opponent, and allows the opponents to run into lane around him. With his physical abilities, he should be able to defend better, and with no fouling.  And coach, 70 points in the paint, that has to be on him and no one else. Inserting Bargnani and keeping him for the long stretches of the game inside, instead of Johnson, rendered paint defense non existent. We got a win, but consider this as well: Denver was missing 3 starters.

    • RaptorFan

      Who cares if Denver was missing 3 starters???  Why do you sad bunch of fans keep repeating this fact.  Do you not remember when we were missing 3 starters for MANY MANY games (Lowry, Bargnani, Valenciunas)???  Even Amir was playing hurt almost EVERY game….

      NO EXCUSES!!  We won the game….stop bitching over our players NOT being PERFECT.  WTF is wrong with you people?  We won the game! 

      Derozan deserves more than a B and Casey deserves more than a C+.

      • FAQ

        RaptorFan = Tribal Honking Fan… who gives himself a ‘Like’… and I gave him another ‘Like’ in pity.  He’s besotted and suffers from the 3-Monkey Syndrome … see/speak/hear no evil about his beloved Ratpors.

  • sleepz

    Don’t mean to put a damper on the joy of beating a shorthanded Nuggets team but if Raps have to hit 3’s like that in the 4th to pull a game out at home, it’s going to be a struggle from now to the end of the year.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      We were playing a team that forced us to play that kind of offensive tempo. We won’t have to depend on the 3 every game for example like the Pacer game were we grinded games out with defence. Also, with Rudy out with chippy fouls, we kind of had to get our offense from somewhere. 

  • unknown guest

    Can’t we just all put the Jose love/hate-fest to rest? He’s gone. For better or worse Lowry is now the PG, and RG is our franchise player.

  • CoachingCounts

    You have to admit that Nugget coach looks so cool just sitting there, watching his bench compete, inserting the right piece from the bench to compete with the best the Raps had to give. Coaching is a BiG part of the NBA and the Coaches are right there in the thick of it.

    Cool sport, glad the NHL had the work stoppage.

    BTW, it’s not cool to say your team won because the other guys were missing a piece or two. It’s a team game and seems to me the Raps were winning before Christmas without three pieces that were in tonight’ game.

  • JerryGarcia

    Hey….I’m 6′ and weigh 193….you calling me fat ??!! 

  • Jeevu

    no he is just a homo. Who else spends a great deal of time commenting on a man’s physique. guys who like cock that’s who.

  • FAQ

    Jeevu has just labeled JerryGarcia a ‘homo’ who adores his cock.  Shameful!!