Toronto Raptors 92 FinalRecap | Box Score 88 New York Knicks
Landry Fields, SF 24 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 10 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -6Liked his effort and defence, and he led the team in rebounds, even though his misses were god-awful. Him and DeMar were the reasons Carmelo had such a rough game on the offensive end.
Rudy Gay, SF 41 MIN | 4-21 FG | 3-4 FT | 8 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 11 PTS | +6A really ugly game from a shooting standpoint – I almost felt like I was watching a young(er) DeMar given the way I was yelling at him to take the ball to the hoop. Did his best to make up for it with rebounding and defence, but when you’re the team’s unquestioned focal point, you can’t have many nights like this. Luckily, Carmelo was equally bad.
Jonas Valanciunas, C 13 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | +2Battled with Chandler inside but wasn’t able to overcome the strength disadvantage. Ineffective on offense, though he got hung out to dry with a couple of passes that left him in no-man’s land.
Kyle Lowry, PG 26 MIN | 3-8 FG | 5-6 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | +4Was one of the few Raptors getting anything done offensively when he was in the game, but he needs to not let his intensity get the best of him. Argue about the call that led to his ejection all you want, but that was one of many times he had words for the referees. Some of the calls were admittedly horrible, but you can’t let your temper take over your game like that.
DeMar DeRozan, SG 40 MIN | 5-11 FG | 10-10 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 20 PTS | +10THIS is the kind of game I love seeing from DeMar. Didn’t back down from Carmelo when he was matched up against him on D, and continued to take the ball to the rack on offense despite some early issues, which set up both his midrange game and his hot-shooting teammates. Finally got some respect from the refs as well.
Amir Johnson, PF 29 MIN | 2-4 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 4 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +7Disappeared at times on both offense and defence (was benched in favor of Bargnani in the fourth until Bargs’ poor D was just too much to bear) but protected the rim admirably in crunch time (4 blocks in the fourth) and was key defensive cog throughout, as he always is.
Andrea Bargnani, C 12 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | +2Completely disappeared tonight – I can forgive the lack of scoring given most of the Raps’ general inability to put the ball in the bucket, but giving no effort on the defensive end is inexcusable.
John Lucas, PG 22 MIN | 4-5 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | 0Clearly, all of the RR writers explaining that he’s not second point guard material has lit a fire under his ass. Wasn’t able to stay in front of Felton, as expected, but ran the offense admirably for the entire fourth with Lowry out and took (and made) tough shots when the team needed him to. If this isn’t the best stretch of his playing career, I don’t know what is.
Alan Anderson, SG 30 MIN | 10-16 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 26 PTS | +6Man, when his shot is falling, it’s a thing of beauty, isn’t it? Didn’t play any differently than he usually does, but he was unconscious from long-range and made some great decisions on dribble-drives, which was imperative tonight as none of his teammates could get their offense going in the first half. When he’s engaged on offense, he is on D as well – clearly tonight’s MVP. What are the odds I’d be writing that tonight after the last few games he’s had?
Terrence Ross, SG 4 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -11Got beaten a couple times on D, missed a couple shots, and wasn’t seen again. It’s far too familiar a refrain these last few games – Casey needs to have more faith in him, but he doesn’t get a free pass for this stinker of a game.
Aaron Gray, C DNP COACH’S DECISION MIN | FG | FT | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PTS | Didn’t play a second, but gets the obligatory “A” for taking the tech in defense of his rookie charge. Call it homerism, but there it is.
Dwane CaseyMade the right personnel decisions down the stretch, and clearly game-planned very well on defence against a Knicks team that lives and dies from 3-point land. I wish he’d kept his team’s emotions a bit more in check given all the T’s tonight, but that’s the give-and-take you get with a “player’s coach.” That said, he deserves some credit – a win over the Knicks is no small feat this season, even with ‘Melo playing as poorly as he did tonight.

  • jacobdrichards4

    Okay FAQ, now its time for you to tell us why we should of lost this game, and New York deserved to win.

    • FAQ

      HEY!!!!  Read what I posted on the previous topic thread, namely:

      FAQ  KNOCK DA KNICKS ….!!!!!!
      Today 06:01 PM 0 Like F

      … and then:KNOCKED THEM OUT….!!!!!!!

      I was honking for the Ratpors for the whole game.. even though it was somewhat ragged in the first half… but did you notice the improvement after fat blabber lips Lowry was ejected…??!!!

       

  • Guest

    People can knock AA all they want but he’s the reason the Raps have been in it for a lot of their games.  Even when his shot isn’t dropping his ability to create his own offence makes us much more dynamic.  And when his shot is dropping, like tonight, we can all see what a steal he is at his salary.  I’d hate to see us trade him.

    • Adriiian

      No. He just had a good game. Most of the other games hes played hes been shit. Please do not bring back the Alan Anderson effect. There is no such thing.

      Negative Nancy

      • Roarque

        Where were you in December? Let me guess, you got a widescreen in the boxing day sales?

      • Guest

        Even when he played like shit he was still bringing a different look to our squad.  It’s not always about getting the ball in the hoop.  He scores differently than our other players.

      • ad

         This is the only thing ive ever agreed with u on. You many now go back to your basement jerking off to
        calderon hilites in the spanish league.

      • ghotte

        Not to mention, he’s catching the ball and then quickly taking it to the rim. DD did the same thing to good effect. When he’s on, you have to find ways to give him minutes — and with TRoss chucking a stinker (again) you have no choice but to play him. 

  • Reggie_evans

    Demar’s getting the respect now since he Mozgov’d Mozgov

    • Dabosskwasia

      LOL you took the words right out of my mouth …they realize now that if he doesnt throw it down hard he was probably fouled!….its about damn time  tho 0.o

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.read.37 Chris Read

    WOW WHAT A GAME!!!!!

  • HeGotBrain

    Gritty

    • ghotte

      UGLY. But that’s a product of the gritty defense. 

      “W”

      • ghost

        UGLY…because of lots poor shooting and some griity D.

  • pharaoh

    Raptors pulled out a tough one tonight

    • FAQ

      Conversely… the Knicks badly dropped a tough one tonight.

  • Daniel

    The Raptors are winning despite Gay. It’s like the basketball gods are protecting Colangelo for his horrible trade. Enjoy while it lasts, Raptors fans. Gay will not change: a soft outside chucker. Amir, Anderson, Lucas, and partially Derozan have been the unsung heroes of the latest streak. Raptors fans forgot we had a 5 games winning streak this season without Gay. 

    • Adriiian

      Truth boss. I agree with you.
      Outside of the 2 game winners, Gay has been pedestrian at best. Hes shooting <40%.

      EDIT: I hate how much Devlin and Leo were hyping Gay. This guy is definitely not worth 17m, or whatever the fuck hes getting paid. If Memphis couldn't win with Gay, Gasol, ZBo, and Conley, how are we going to build a team around a 40% shooter?

      Am I just talking out of my ass?

      • Sig

         Rudy Gay has hit two game winning shots in six games. That’s about all that needs to be said.

        • John

          Why bother, these people will always complain.  Like who doesn’t want stars on their team?  These people make it embarrassing to admit I’m a Raptor fan.

          • FAQ

            Yah… you gotta be holistic about it … it’s the synergy of the team that counts, not the t.h.f.’s fellatio hero …!!!!

        • Adriiian

          No, its not. In the long term we are fucked. 
          I LOVE THIS TEAM AND RUDY GAY, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER, AND THIS AINT FUCKING IT!

          • cdashq

            as if you know how to build a championship contender…

            • Guest

              Well, if knowing how (and being able) to build a championship contender was a requirement for posting, this website wouldn’t just be pretty bare, it’d be empty.  Just saying.

              • Deadallus

                 You know how you build a contender,  you need talent first and then you need to put up some wins.  That’s what helps attract free agents.  The Raps now have talent and they are getting some wins.  I liked Calderon, but anyone who thinks trading him to get Gay was a bad move needs their head examined.  Iverson shot 42.5% for his career.  Would anyone have flinched if Calderon was traded for Iverson in his prime?  He’s not shooting great fine, but when its gets to crunch time I don’t fear losing anymore, and they way this team battles, they will be in a lot of games.

          • Guest

            How many steps do you think it takes to build a championship team?  

          • ghotte

            Who really cares about building a championship contender? Really. The Raps have sucked so long with the barest of sniffs around being merely competitive. Let’s just hope for a good team that keeps progressively upgrading rather than expecting them to unseat the Celtics, Lakers, Heat and San Antonio’s of the world. 

            (No one else wins except those teams anyway)

            • Kollin Lore

              The Lakers are crap, and Boston is getting worse. More like Spurs, Thunder, and the Heat.

      • ghotte

        The goal shouldn’t be to build a team around a 40% shooter. It SHOULD be to stockpile talent and hope it gels enough to get wins. Which it is currently. 

        The offense was like molasses with too much 1-0n-1 (where’s Jose) but with time they are going to be able to rely less on the streetball aspect. 

      • Why

        ..and The Raptors were fortunate that Chris Bosh left and we didn’t have to pay him max money … the last 2.5 years have been fantastic.

    • rapsreality

      Despite Gay? I’ll admit that gay has been chucking, and his offense is inefficient, but without him we don’t win in Indiana and against Denver at home. He is not the revelation everyone is hoping for, but he addresses a glaring weakness on this team which has cost us at least five wins this year: a guy who has the moxy to take the ball in dying seconds and make a basket. I don’t think giving up Davis and Calderon will hurt us in the short term, but the question we need to ask ourselves is whether the Raptors can be a legitimate threat in the east with Gay and Demar as the anchors. My answer is no, unless we are able to somehow miraculously turn Kleiza, Bargnani, Pietrus, Fields into another “all-star” calibre player, which I think is difficult. I’m optimistic right now, but worried about the long-term vision of this team.

      • leftovercrack

        You left off the two key players who could become stars to make us contenders in the coming years. Jonas and T-Ross. I don’t think any sane person believes Kleiza or Pietrus are going to be stars

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/PLSEA7SEL5KM2YHY3JWZACTI6I keith warren

          rapsreality was referring to trading kleiza, bargs, peitrus and/or fields for an “all-star”. Not them becoming one.

          • leftovercrack

            ah, i see

            • FLUXLAND

               Classic! “Development” talk engrained in the mind of “true” Raptor fans.

              #FarmTeam

              • FAQ

                Our beloved Ratpors are beyond just being a “development” team … they have advanced to a “deevelopment” team… or haven’t you noticed…??!!!

                • FLUXLAND

                  Deave-velopment, indeed.  BC is putting in work for that EOY award, with classic form.

                • onemanweave

                   Flax,  You’re talking to yourselves again. Your doctor will be so disappointed. You seemed to be making progress.

                • Rob

                  The doctor has given up a long time ago man, there is no cure for this nutcase.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Are we back to the personal stuff again? Thought we crossed that bridge.

                  I’d hate to break it to you again, FAQ and I see some of the big picture stuff similarly (and share the same sense of humor, to a degree), but we vehemently disagree on some minutiae. 

                  I don’t know how else to let you know we’re not the same person, I don’t think you’d believe it either way.

                  Carry on.
                    

      • Roarque

        ” Gay is not the revelation everyone is hoping for…”

        Actually, yes he is.

        Without Rudy here DDR was being mugged nightly.

        Without this trade, Jose walks for zippo at season end.

        • FAQ

          The question is has DDR improved or has he plateaued even with RG on the floor.  DDR seems rather fragile and eschews getting hit hard on drives… so he vince-jump shoots a lot.  It must really hurt the fanny a lot landing on it so often.

          • ghotte

            Not sure what you are watching but other than Anderson, Demar was taking the ball strongly to the hoop. (Whether he dunks everytime is irrelevant.) 

            To not admit he’s improved every year is to be purposely blind. His 1-one-1 and help D, awareness offensively, handle (although with lots of room to go) have all improved. Not sure where you see “plateau” in any of that. But I guess you have to keep repeating your point even if you don’t fully agree with it.

        • Rod Missaghian

          I agree that the trade brought back a valuable asset, but Rudy Gay and Demar along with the current roster are not good enough for a deep playoff run, and considering that we can make limited moves because of the cap, then this is just another one of those Colangelo moves that looks good in the short-term but has no long term vision.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PLSEA7SEL5KM2YHY3JWZACTI6I keith warren

      That was a home stand against mostly bad teams. They were playing really well then and we knew it wouldn’t last. This one is different. They aren’t playing all that great. When you need Alan Anderson to go off like that to win, they are not playing very well. Yet they are winning. Signs of a better team when you can win playing ugly! Now with Gay on the team, they don’t have to play lights out to beat better teams like the Knicks.

      but love the negative thoughts during a win streak! Hope you choke on those words!

    • Dobsully

      The big difference is the quality of teams played.
      First 5 game run: Dallas, Houston, Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando.  4 were home games.
      This 4 game run: Indiana, New Orleans, Denver, NY.  2 were home games.

      • ghotte

        +1

    • Statement

      Rudy Gay Advanced Statistical + / – = +4.160 with Raps. 

      source: http://godismyjudgeok.com/DStats/aspm-and-vorp/2013-aspm/

      That indicates that the team is 4 points / 100 possessions better with him on the floor than without it.  It’s also the best mark on the team.

      Rudy Gay PER with Raps = 20.4

      With Raps, Rudy Gay WS/48 = .113 (above average)

      He is showing up pretty well in the advanced stats I would say.   I don’t know what it is, because he is shooting pretty crappy and normally that would be a big contributing factor in driving down a players value, but the team seems to be better with him on the floor. 

      82 games says the team is 3 points better / 100 possessions with him on the floor.  Maybe he plays better defense than anybody gives him credit for.  Maybe he is good at doing the little things?  Who knows what it is but I do know that he has probably played the most minutes out of any Raptors player with perhaps the exception of Derozan, and the team has beaten 2 great Eastern Conference teams on their court in gritty games that the Raps would normally fold like origami  in.

      • sleepz

        He has been active defensively. Steals, blocking shots. If I remember correctly at the end of the regulation in the Ind game I think he was the player that got back to break up the pass that Amir converted into the game tying shot.

        He is definitely launching shots right now but he is doing other things.

      • ghotte

        Past the advanced stats, he’s the first legit SF the Raps have had. And while not having standout performances – other than the game winning shots – the team is way more balanced.

        • Nilanka15

          Good point on balance.  Now, if we can only find a legit 3pt shooter in the starting lineup…

          • What the

            what about Barnie?

            • The Truth

              I believe the idea is for them to go in.

      • Destro

        Why are you afraid to admit his shooting the last few games has sucked ?
        Defense is cool so is the rebounding but im hoping for alot more than low 40s shooting,nothing wrong to admit it…these 8 for 25s are getting kinda old already… 

        • Statement

          I did say that he was shooting crappy.

    • j bean

      Still haven’t gotten over the trade of Jose? It’s been 7 games with 6 of the teams being very good and the Raps have come away with 5 wins. You really think Jose was more valuable to the team than RG? I don’t think you’ll get any agreement from Rudy’s teammates.

      • FAQ

        Nevertheless, you must admit that BC must acquire a superior PG with Lowry and keep Lucas on the bench.  Some are speculating that Jose might return for next season since he’s a FA…. however BC might balk at paying Jose what other teams might be willing to pay him.  

        Ah, can’t wait for summer and next b’ball season …. daylight saving time and spring arrive in April ..!!

        • ghotte

          The way Jose is playing in Detroit they may not want to give him up.

          • Dribbles gone

            thank you Jesus

        • Dan

           Lowry has been streaky but he’s also clearly playing hurt. Every time he goes to the bench he lays out on the floor to stretch his back. He also fits this teams style of play better. He’s trusting his teammates more now and trying to do less taking over of games like he was early in the season. Jose needs the ball a lot in his hands to be effective. He wouldn’t be as good of a fit on a team that has a lead guard who handles the ball a lot. With Gay here Jose’s role would have changed. Detroit is a good situation for him. Look at Nash playing with Kobe. Clearly Gay is not Kobe but Calderon is also not Nash. It’s like that situation to a lesser degree.

          • Destro

            right now Calderon is better than Nash…

    • voy

      yes anderson’s 10 points, 11, points and 0 points are reason we won against indy, noh and denver.  everyone knows its the holy trinity of amir, lucas and anderson that really the really fuel the raps engine. 

      yes, yes, when the immediate returns on the trade are the exact opposite of what you expected, its not that you were wrong… its that the basketball gods are conspiring against you.

      thanks for the laugh.

      • Nilanka15

        “Romney by a landslide”.  Nuff said.

        • voy

          i think i heard him buy all the tea party propagada about obama as well. hook. line. and sinker.

          i still like “durant is only a scorer” and “labron wouldn’t be a superstar in the 1980s and 1990s”.

    • ad

      You and adrian r fucking idiots. Got to say, did it ever occur to you that the 2 star calls gay got( the misses travel and the missed alleyoop resulting in a foul) were essentially 2 key plays that gave the raps the win. Ur lover jose isnt doing that.

      • Guest

        Should you really be calling other people black, little kettle?  Yeah, didn’t think so.

        You are to Lowry what BC was to Bargnani.

        • ad

           What did you say? I cant understand you properly. Your mouth is covering jose’s dick.

        • FAQ

          … and Lowry was ejected for flapping his big fat lips at the cracker ref… LOL

      • Dan

         He got away with a travel but a foul could have been called on the play too. That’s another advantage of getting Gay is now you get some of those “star”  calls going the Raps way now. Let the NBA send apologies to other teams for a change. Your right we will never see Jose miss a dunk attempt. You can also say the last six points that JR smith made from wide open threes because the game was already decided made the game closer then actually was in the final few seconds so based on should haves and could haves raps would have won any way by 4 points.

    • Dan

       4 of the 5 wins are against playoff teams. Knicks and Indiana are two of the toughest teams to play on the road. The 5 wins they had earlier were against 4 lottery teams and the Rockets. Gay’s shot has not been good. He can get his shot any time he wants so he still has to be guarded which opens things up for his teammates. Plus  even when his shot is not falling he still does other things. No he’s not worth the 17 million but he has changed dynamic of this team in a good way. I don’t remember this team getting nearly as many fast breaks or wide open threes before he got here.  His shot as not as bad as it has been lately. He’s missed easy layups and dunks too.

  • KJ-B

    THE DRIVE FOR FIVE… LOVE IT!!!  The ugliness of Eastern Conference ball was a thing of beauty…Rudy, Rudy, Rudy-smh… Deebo, is getting his sea legs back!

    • FAQ

      HATE TO BE EIGHT …. playoffs here we come… if only BC can find another pass-first playmaking PG when he trades Bargs…..

      • Dan

         I don’t think you need a pass first pg as much with this team at least not as the starter. Off the bench would be good. Gay is going to be doing most of the ball handling when they are in the half court. Lowry is good at pushing the ball on the break and can hit the three when open. Not that Lin is a great pg but part of his big success last year was he was given complete control of the ball. Once Melo came back and now playing with Harden he’s a secondary ball handler and used more as a shooter.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PLSEA7SEL5KM2YHY3JWZACTI6I keith warren

    WOW. 2 games back of Philly for the 8th spot in the playoffs. Just 4-5 games ago the raps were 6 games back of the playoffs. They might actually make it! Philly is struggling and I don’t see Bynum coming back anytime soon. Boston is falling apart and might start to sell, sell, sell. Milwaukee will definitely fall if they trade Jennings.

    It actually could happen! I have no problem with a first round beat down by the Heat if it gets these guys some playoff experience and to save that draft pick. Hopefully this hot run won’t stop after the all-star break. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/chris.read.37 Chris Read

      Philly is in 9th 😛 Milwaukee is 8th and the Raps are 6 back.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PLSEA7SEL5KM2YHY3JWZACTI6I keith warren

        LOL. Fukin ESPN website has Miami in last on their standings. It bounced everyone back up. It looked like what I said but I see the correct standings on NBA.com. 

        Damn, I was getting excited. Although, I still say there looks like a chance if all that goes down. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/chris.read.37 Chris Read

           Yea we still have a chance…but we play the Knicks 3 more times I believe. I doubt we beat them again.
          Im not sure whether I want to make the playoffs or give up the pick this year. I think I’m leaning towards big run and miss by 1 game.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/PLSEA7SEL5KM2YHY3JWZACTI6I keith warren

             Nah, gotta get the playoff experience. Rudy Gay knows what it is like being in the playoffs and what it takes to get there. Most if not all of this team has not been to the playoffs yet and I believe it will help. The growth may be slow going but it is getting there. Just a few more pieces and we could be at the very least in the playoffs more often.

  • cdashq

    haters of everyone but Bargnani better STFU

    • FAQ

      Methinks Bargs may welcome being traded but who would want him??  Personally, I think Casey is not properly utilizing Bargs’ skills … and putting him in a compromised position.   Casey is a confusing and confused ‘coach’… sooo obvious.

      • Nilanka15

        It’s always someone else’s fault with Bargnani….

        ….I think Reggie’s still stealing his rebounds.

      • trample54

        I agree. His skills are not being utilized properly. 

        • What the

          have we tried making AB13PLUS2-FLU+1 the  raptors point guard

  • http://twitter.com/NomadCreatives Fred Galang

    Even in wins, some “fans” are still unhappy. Gay is attracting attention, freeing up the likes of Demar. Not worth the money? Are you paying Gay’s salary? I cannot figure out this fan base, or whatever this is.

    • cdub

      yeah its absurd…it’s not hard to see how much better the team is with Gay

  • knickz

    gutsy win for the boys! the knicks won’t go far jacking all them 3’s

  • John

    Some people on this  make me sick!  The team has defeated some serious teams, is on a 4 game winning streak, win on a back to back in a tough building, playing tough defence and yet people have nothing but negative things to say.  Your hatred for Colangelo is obvious, and regardless of what Rudy does, people will rip apart a trade that is so obviously one sided in the Raps favour.  To all the people ripping the trade because of his salary, can you tell me the last time we were able to attract a star like Rudy in free agency?  Who gives a shit how much he’s making, because the truth is no one would come here without getting overpaid.  Look at his impact on all the other players.  It’s obvious they’re benefiting from the attention he is drawing.   Also you can’t put a price on someone who has been there, knows how to win and can have a positive influence on a young team.  The fact that he seems genuinely excited to be here can only be a positive.  So in conclusion STFU and be happy that we are watching a winner for a change, as opposed to the same old crap.

    • Realist

      +1

      Nothing more needs to be said!

    • FLUXLAND

      Another classic!  This one with the new coined and FAQ trademarked “3-Monkey Syndrome”. 

      Or typical Devlin induced brainwashing.: “DeMar with a GREAT rebound!”  and no one within a 100 feet of him.

      • FAQ

        Correction: 3-Brass Monkey Syndrome™ …. wherein t.h.f.’s see/speak/hear no evil about their beloved Ratpors (except for Bargs)…. LOL

        • FLUXLAND

          T.H.F. 3-Brass Monkey Syndrome?  “That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!”

          • FAQ

            (you may be the only one who understands/appreciates my erudite/wry/deprecating  humour … while the besotted t.h.f.’s can only live or die with their beloved Ratpors….LOL)

          • JerryGarcia

            I’ve heard its hard to run with the weight of gold and on the other hand I’ve heard its said. its just as hard with the weight of lead.

      • knickz

         delvin is becoming annoying, glad leo called him out few games ago

        • Phil_b123

          Damn he did what game? 

    • knickz

       thats why i hardly post anymore

    • Dan

       I’m not a fan of Bryan and this trade is again him trying to fix a mistake which was not drafting Gay or Aldridge in the first place. Gay has been really so far despite the shooting %.  I’ll take an over paid Gay over an over paid Fields (I actually like Fields and think is a very good role player) or kapano any day. 

      • Dan

         really good so far

    • Nilanka15

      ROTD

  • Thatsarap

    It’s unfair to say Melo was awful tonight when much of that had to do with the D.

    • Sig

       The Knicks missed a lot of  point blank layups. I’m usually not one to say this, but we seriously should’ve lost that game..

      • FLUXLAND

         The Knicks outrebounded the shit out of the Raptors and Melo was missing typical gimmies, no doubt.

        Some “true” fans around here have zero understanding of what is actually transpiring on the court.  The same ones that, if this were a loss, would have finally called out Gay for his shooting and blamed the refs.

         

        • FAQ

          Do ya suspect the “fix” was in … because somebody must have raked in a Las Vegas fortune betting heavily on the Ratpors… ya think..???!!!!

          • FLUXLAND

            (No doubt.  Pre – ASG ritual in Vegas.  Degenerate trap game made beyond obvious, the aura of  Tim was around the ref crew) 

            • FLUXLAND

               I mean… the Raps played suffocating defense, truly showcasing their new Pound The Rock personality and defensive mindedness ingrained into them by DC, the defensive guru and mastermind of former Sonic and Dallas ilk.  I believe this streak has put the entire L on notice, the Raptors have arrived – you don’t want any of this in the playoffs. HONK! HONK!  *thunderstix clap* 

        • Sig

           No doubt, W’s change everything. Look at GS right now, they’re panicking and putting the blame on “chemistry” lol…

          The flip-floppity fish fans never seem to disappoint

        • DumbassKicker

           “Rebounding wins championships” though, aye. Too bad it doesn’t win a game for the home team in MSG against a scrub team that played the night before. Got any more lame cliches to throw at the “true” fans you’re dissing at the keyboard?

      • Destro

        Outrebounded 52-25 and gave up 20 off boards 20 !!!!

        You know damn well we should have lost that game….

        • Adam Finn

           52 – 35 actually

    • John

      I agree I thought Gay and Fields played really great D and Amir and Jonas were quick on the help.  Great team effort.

      • CoachingCounts

        Ditto

    • FAQ

      Knicks defeated themselves …. sooooo obvious.

      • Dan

         a win is still win. Clearly the Knicks are the better team.  How many games did the Raptors give away this year and had blown lay ups and dunks. As long as they keep finding ways to win who cares. You don’t lose the win after because the stat sheet says you didn’t deserve it. If anything they should get more credit for pulling out a win they had no business getting. Denver was the same the night before. Allowing 70 points in the paint should have been a loss.

    • knickz

       no, melo was just awful! its fucking comical he’s being discussed as the mvp

      • What the

        no way guy it was our man Barnie who shut Melo down  AB13plus2/flu+1

    • Nilanka15

      I think it all started with Fields in the 1st quarter.  His D on Melo was pretty stellar.  Melo never really got into a rhythm after that.

      Despite the limited minutes, Fields was key in the win.

  • Dc

    Bargs apologist should have nothing to say after that half assed performance by him tonight dude sucks and gives about 2% effort. He’s a fucking bum. King bargs on one series stayed all the way out beyond the 3 point line one set while the other 4 players actually tried. Then after the miss this bum ass motherfucker half assesed his way down the court and pasta boy give his man tyson an easy 2. I believe just for the 3 mins bargs was on tyson, chandler had to at least score 6-8 points and about 4 boards. Literally almost single handedly gave up the lead and lost the game there.  rudy gay couldn’t throw it in the ocean there was alot of no calls that should of been tho, he couldn’t shoot for shit. DDR balled ppl really need to stop hating on him, ross isn’t better then him and Idk if he will be in the the future. Lowry was doing alright but his bitching and moaning to the refs is getting tiresome, just shutup and play. amir + jonas= all hustle team. JL3 and anderson have been on fire lately. Can’t take anything away from what they did tonight. 4 game win streak if we can keep this going in the eastern conference youll never know whats going to happen. 

    • trample54

      Okay…no need to throw names and insults.

      • FAQ

        Perhaps he is still being affected by his “flu-like symptoms”… which can really drag one down later in the malady.  I hope the team doctor is tending to Bargs’ condition … maybe an extra plate of Primo pasta and sawce …. ya think??!!!

        • trample54

          Honestly, for grown men on this blog saying ‘primo pasta’ or ‘pasta boy’ is so immature, please grow up. Please. It wasn’t funny in the beginning and it’s not funny now. 

    • FLUXLAND

      That was a great impersonation of an eff you “Jose off the bench sulking” type game.  

    • Phil_b123

      I genuinely think that he just doesn’t know how to play defense. He looks lost. 

      • Dan

         He has been terrible this year right from the start. I also think he really has no idea how to just fit in and be a role player. Even on his Italian team he has been the number one guy for a few years now.

        • trample54

          Yeah and he’s been effective with the Italian but seeing as they’re not really successful, he ca’t do it by himself. I don’t think role player is hi s nature

  • thatpeterguy

    We have been terrible for too long for anyone to worry about Gay’s salary. As it stands with our horrible reputation for losing we would never be able to sign a guy like Gay or anyone better. And the upcoming draft is one of the worst in years so why should we have kept Jose who was great but leaving anyway or Ed who plays PF which is an easy position to replace and whose game we already have a clone of in Amir for a SF in Gay who is at a level we would never get otherwise? We need to get back to respectability before we can complain about large salaries for players who with our losing record we could never sign anyway.

  • Rod Missaghian

    Note to Raptors fans: Rudy Gay has not made an all-star appearance in 7 seasons. How can you build a team around a fringe all-star. I’ll tell you: you can’t. Blah, blah, blah, “Rudy Gay has brought attention to Toronto and we can’t do better in free agency”. We can’t’ do better in free agency because we have failed to make the playoffs in five of the seven years Colangelo has been at the helm. I seem to remember some very legit talent ten years back more than willing to play for the raps. This mentality that nobody wants to play in Toronto irritates me. 

    Here is the rub. You finally build a team that people “may” want to play for buy signing Rudy Gay, but by signing Rudy Gay you won’t be able to sign those free agents who may be willing to come here. Colangelo saving his job by making this trade is only indicative of how stupid the Raptors ownership is by believing that this trade is some sort of coup.

    The Raptors have never committed to a “true” rebuild under BC. I’m excited that we have won four in a row and seem to be headed in the right direction. But teams in this league define success by championships, not first round playoff exits.

    And the fact that so many people on here are content with just that  is indicative of just how bad we have been over the years. MLSE has the formula down pat. 

    • John

      Yes so if you cant win a championship, bottom out every year.  That’s a sound solution.  It’s probably not important for young players to be surrounded by winners and veterans, or to experience what the playoffs are like.  

      • rapsreality

        “winners and veterans”. What veterans and winners are you speaking of? Gay hasn’t won a playoff round, and we haven’t surrounded the young players with any tried and tested playoff veterans. I suppose AA passes for a veteran these days?

        Bottom out? When have the raptors actually done that? Last year they had an opportunity to bottom out, but they decided to play their way into an 8th pick. We could have easily ended up with Lillard or Barnes.

        Lets not forget all those wasted years trying to surround Bosh with talent, when they should have been bottoming out.

      • FLUXLAND

        “I got better by losing” – said no one, ever, anywhere, for any reason, at all.

        Or do you mean what Bosh and Vince “experienced” about losing on a “developing” team? 

      • The Truth

        “Yes so if you cant win a championship, bottom out every year.”

        Certainly made it easier for OKC to draft Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. All of whom were drafted while that team had an abysmal record.

    • Adriiian

      Thank you.
      But then again, like my highschool teacher used to say.
      Opinions are like assholes, everybodys got one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jawid-Afghan/100000886463567 Jawid Afghan

      he’s having the worst season of his career, who were you hoping for instead, lebron? Also picking up an impact player in the draft is a pipe dream considering we were beating the bad teams before the trade. 

    • cdashq

      honestly, why did you even waste the 2 minutes it took you to write this. How many teams do you know go from the lottery straight to being championship contenders?? Huh, how many? None!! Why? because it takes playoff seasoning before you can become a contender. You need to get into the playoffs first. You need to play the games at that level of intensity, see what happens, and then build on that foundation after the first or second round exits. 

      How will we even get to the playoffs if no one is signing here? By continuing to draft and develop and develop and develop until we have a couple mediocre rotation players and borderline stars. That may work for some teams (not even sure who), but that hasnt worked for the Raptors in all these years. So why the hell shouldn’t we trade for a big time guy (and by big time i mean, proven, clutch and someone who has playoff and closing experience). Who cares about his damn contract now if he can help our team win and help the team develop confidence that can lead them into the playoffs. 

      Then, once we are in the playsoffs, we can see who performs and who doesn’t and then see what pieces need to be added and removed, and also we would have gotten players attention and then maybe we can sign players who want to win, and see Toronto as an opportunity to do so. 
      Why continue to condemn Colangelo for making this move. Its already made and the positive dividends will certainly outweigh the precieved advantage having cap space will provide. Seriously man, its Raptor fans like you that get on my nerves. Enjoy the ride and see where it takes our team. I’d much rather be a mediocre playoff team now, because you never know if those playoff appearances will lead to signings that turn us into a contender…Sheeeeesh!!

      • FAQ

        Hope springs eternal in the scrawny t.h.f.’s mindlets… and only ‘wins’ make their miserable lives bearable as they flip burgers for a living.  They have no temporal appreciation and require instant gratification on demand.  They cling to the smallest of hopes and join together to commiserate … bleating for wins/playoffs/ championships…. as if anybody bothers to listen to them.

        (I enjoy watching both the Ratpors and the visiting teams from the USA.. where b’ball was perfected, if not invented.)

        • Dan

          I love how you act as if your above everyone on this site and so much better and smarter then the rest of us. yet you are one of, if not the top poster for comments. Clearly your life is not as miserable as the rest of us because you have so much more free time to spend on the internet in the comment section of the Raptors republic website.  Maybe you should get some perspective and humble yourself a bit. Regardless of weather you do or don’t work a job flipping burgers your still at the end of the day spending the majority of your free time in an internet chat room. Quit trying to elevate yourself above people you are no different then and just have fun debating and talking about a sport and possibly a team you are a fan of.

      • The Truth

        So trading for a borderline star is the solution to only being able to sign borderline stars? Sweet deal.

      • rapsreality

        Yes, I have been enjoying the ride for 18 years and oh what a good time its been! *note sarcasm*

        • Destro

          You dont understand the move…This team is not in a position right now where they can sign an impact max player thru free agency.They took a calculated risk that Gay with a new change of scenery could develop into a legit all star and No 1 player by next year…Early numbers thru 6 games indicate at 23-24 PPG and 7-8 RPG he might be able too if so the contract wouldnt look so bad….

          You have to understand this was the Raps one shot to land an impact player off the scrap heap and hope hes able to turn it on and revitalize himself in a new setting….This team as a losing fracnhise stigma attached to it was not going to attract anybody even with a ton of capspace that would have Gays impact in the next 3-4 years..They just arent a desirable location…

          You take a gamble and hope Rudy can be that player here in a new role and if it works out it can be a major reward…Contract is ugly right now and hes def overpaid right NOW but it was a good risk to take given he was available right now… 

          • rapsreality

            You are right 100% and I do understand what you are saying, and what BC was thinking. My point is that it is not good enough, and this move became necessary because BC failed at rebuilding,  or rather, never really committed to a rebuild in the first place. Signing Landry, bringing in Pietrus, giving AA significant minutes, these are not the moves made by a rebuilding franchise but one trying to be just good enough to sneak into the playoffs. BC is a chronic gambler, not a GM with a purpose or plan.

            • cdashq

              So you believe that flipping to a new GM is going to instantly solve the problem? Ha!

              BC gets judged too harshly on this site many others. Granted his moves haven’t always lead to the results we have expected, but I put a helluva lot of onus on the players and coaches as well and there have been some mind bogglingly horrible performances by players that were expected to play well that I don’t know how anyone would expect the GM to forsee.

              Does BC need to be held accountable? yes. But does he deserve to get railed on whenever he makes a move? Hell no. The thing about Raptor fans, and I get it, is that many of us are have now lost faith and patience, leading many of us to resort to “fire Sam” “fire Triano” “fire BC” “fire Casey” chants as if that is the answer. It’s not that easy.

              Building a championship contending team is hard. It’s even harder when the team plays in a city were big name players don’t even consider during free agency. That forces a GM to get creative and that’s what BC has attempted over the years. Has it worked? Obviously not the way we want, but why are we always blasting him. At least he’s trying something and is willing to quickly make adjustments.

              • sleepz

                When has BC ever been held accountable?

                7 years, 1 winning season. Nuff said.

            • cdashq

              And as far as this Rudy Gay deal, I give BC tons of credit for going out and getting a guy that many of us fans have hoped he could get and doing so without crippling the teams remaining talent level.

              This move was a good move. Nitpicking skeptics can dissect it and find faults and drawbacks but, just like the Turkaglo signing at the time, the move was bold and needed to be done. The hope is that the move pans out far far better and so far it has. So I say again, continue to enjoy the ride, knowing that our GM is not intentionally trying to sabotage the team and he also obviously knows a heck of a lot more about building an NBA franchise than anyone of us on this board.

    • Phil_b123

      The team payroll is 65,940,638 the hard cap is 70.307 not including exceptions. This gives them room to sign 1 or 2 players especially if they are willing to pay the tax. Do your homework. 

      • Rod Missaghian

        You proved my point exactly. Will they be able to sign an “all star” with that salary, or even a proven solid veteran that can contribute significantly? Probably not, and my point is, that as it stands, this team is good but not good enough. That is all I’m saying. I’m enjoying watching, and I like Rudy, but I’m just keeping it real.

  • Fresh_Prints

    Thought the good people here would appreciate this story.
     http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8944820/hedo-turkoglu-orlando-magic-suspended-20-games-positive-test

    • Phil_b123

      Someone spiked his shawarma!

  • Bigbassman69

    Looking at Rudy Gays game log this year these bad shooting nights seem
    to be a fairly common occurrence. We better get used to it and who cares
    if we still win…

    I always felt we should have traded Terrance
    Ross instead of Ed Davis. Seems like Memphis wanted him and since we
    already have Derozan and were getting Gay why give up our best post
    player knowing that we are going to get rid of Bargnani as well? Would
    have loved to see these guys dump the ball into Ed Davis for some easy
    baskets.

    • CoachingCounts

      tough loss in Ed but everything in life has a price – you think Memphis would have taken Ross?

      • Bigbassman69

        I remember reading it somewhere. I think they needed a two guard more than another four. Ed’s only playing 5 minutes a game and they lack a good athletic two guard. The way I see it they wanted a young player with a low salary and some potential.

        http://www.hoopsrumors.com/terrence-ross/

  • Letters 2 Al

    That was a close one, that easily could have gotten away from us.  The Raps tightened the D to hold the lead very nicely in those last minutes of the game to close it out.  Rudy had a tough night with some decent looks and shots that just seemed to pop out at the last second but AA and DD did a great job of keeping control of the game.  We’re weak in the front court and I think Chandler exposed that.  Maybe Aaron Gray should see a few minutes every game to cover the boards and fight with those big guys down low.  On that note Bargnani really needs to focus in on D and grabbing some boards.  His shot seems decent enough to score 10 pts out-of 8 shots consistently but he really needs to start contributing by getting into the game and crushing it on D, maybe start leading off the bench.. AA and the III are way out performing him.  The Raps have a lot of talent and I think if they focus and get in the right mindset they can make the playoffs.  

    • FAQ

      Bargs may be demotivated by all the trade talk and let’s not forget his ‘flu-like symptoms’ may still be lingering, and that tends to really pull you down in the later stages.  Have you ever tried to play with a flu virus??  I have, but most if not all of the tribal honking fans have never experienced that … nor have their Air Jordan b’ball shoes ever been used strenuously on a gym floor.

      (Foot Locker marketing has determined that 99.87% of all b’ball shoes sold only wear out from walking or shufflin’ along… or just rot over time!)

  • Roarque

    I don’t know was scarier:

    a Watching Il Mago play like a petulent child,

    or

    b No one seemed to care.

    • NyAlesund

       I opt for b.

  • j bean

    So many “fans” stuck in the past. The Raps are evolving individually and as an organization but you won’t see it if you are overwhelmed by stats. keith warren got it right when he said they are beating good teams without having to play their best ball. The new look Raptors are doing alright in the one stat that matters most. Wins!

    • FAQ

      hey, jelly bean… are you suggesting that teams are underestimating the ferocity of our Ratpors, and go into games with nonchalant state of minds??   The TRaps really goosed the stumbling bumbling Knicks tonight. 

      FEAR THE RATPORS ….!!!!!!!!

  • grizzly73

    When Lowry got tossed I actually go the feeling the Raps would win.  He turned his head to the ref as he walked away and said “this is bullshit” The T was totally justified. Too emotional to be a good leader. JL III deserves to play more.

    It was the MSG effect tonight folks. The smaller market teams play their best in the Big Apple like when NHL teams full of Ontario boys go home to play in Toronto.

    • knickz

       i think bc is going to deal lowry like anthopolous dealt snider and thames

      • ad

         No chance bud, sorry to disappoint u. That doesnt even make sense. Different sports. Whats a reliever in basketball terms?

    • ghotte

      JL3 was playing like a steaming pile not more than 2 weeks ago and you’ve already anointed him the backup who needs more playing time? He can’t run the offense well enough and appears to be getting just the right amount of game time now. 

      Can’t have an emotional leader, eh? (This was his first game getting thrown out so I guess it’s chronic, right?)

      • The Truth

        I said this in a thread yesterday but everyone needs to calm down and remember how quick they were to jump on the JL3 train after those few good preseason games before he proceeded to stink it up for the first half of the season. His return to form is well timed but I’m skeptical of how long it will last.

        • Nilanka15

          I’ve been saying all season that Lucas is a perfectly capable backup PG (for 15-20 mpg).  He stunk the first half of the season because of the inconsistent minutes, IMO.  As long as he continues to see his minutes, we’ll see a PG capable of spelling Lowry.

          • The Truth

             Sure, only concern with that is if Lowry’s back issue keeps giving him grief and we have to see more than 15-20 mpg of Lucas on a consistent basis. Hopefully the few extra days off now helps with that though…

  • Raptorholic

    Bargs is one of the greatest raptors of all time!

  • Phat AlberG

    5 and 2 since the trade and people still complaining you got to love Toronto… But I don’t know what they are going do with Bargs because honestly I think have to agree with Butch Carter the Raps ruined this kid game.  This summer Bargs needs to lose like 25 to 30 pounds and stop eating so much pasta and become more athletic because right now he looks like a log out there. 

  • NyAlesund

    I really feel sorry for Bargs. I have never seen him in this condition. It’s clear thatnow this guy is in unconfortable zone. Too ugly to see him.

    Of course he deserves most of blames, but now he looks like someone that have nothing in common with this group.

    Not mention the commentators. Jesus. I can understand that they can’t stand Bargs, ok, but when they talked about his poor defence, they forgot to say how they teammates made him in no-man land. He is not famous to be smart defensively but blame him and only him in those two plays was unaccettable.

    Happy for the win, happy to see this team fighting well, happy to see some bright future in this group and honestly the chance to pick the po spot is not impossible. We need a sort of a miracle, but we have the time to try.

    The official ridicolous………………….The Lowry’s ejection was unexcused.

    Stat
    OMG. He looks like old. He impressed me, when he was unable to dunk twice from one foot from the rim. (55-55 the score).

  • Brallbeats

    We won. That’s all that mattered. Aa is a good player off the bench and he is cheap. What else you expect? He dropped 26 tonight, can’t name another bench player getting paid what he does and making a difference. His defense is good to. Fuck four in a row and three were against playoff teams. Gay has made a difference. I got love for Calderon and Davis but we really needed gay. And regardless of his performance tonight he still played OK defense and hit a tough shot when it mattered. I’d still like to see bargnani stick around. Someone give the past a eating guy some buckleeys . Derozen looked good as did Lucas. Let’s make it 5! Playoffs!

  • Hound

    Observations from last night:

    1)We have completely changed as a team, love the defensive intensity, hate the isolation plays, lack of ball movement and assists.
    2)Lowry seriously needs to grow up.
    3)Bargs needs a heart transplant. (probably will be amnestied in the summer, no trading partners)
    4)Combination of Melo and Stoudemire will never win in the NBA
    5)I can live with AA and JL3 on my team, good versions or bad versions
    6)Matt and Leo need their mikes disconnected. If i hear one more thing about Syracuse, I will put a gun in my mouth.
    7)BC might just have got the extension he wants, not necessarily deserves.
    8)Rudy Gay should just stop shooting 3’s
    9) I like Landry Fields. Happy he is on our side.

    Hope everyone enjoys allstar weekend.

    PS to Tross. Go dunk and then come back and play some fuckin BASKETBALL!!!!!

  • NyAlesund

    The Rudy Gay’s value.

    Gay, despite the stats was a great acquisition.
    Not for the buzzers (great of course) but for what he gave to the team.
    For the first time in ages, DeRozan, Anderson and why not even Bargs
    can flourish alongside him.

    This team before the trade didn’t
    have one able to be the real 1st option. Everytime we assisted many
    attemps from Bargs, Calderon and DeRozan to carry the team, to score
    when necessary down the stretch, to do the difference. In fact we lost many games down the stretch and this year I can count at least 3/4.

    With Gay, DeRozan can do his job without unbeareble
    pressure, same for Lowry, Anderson and Bargs……….. So, now the
    guys can rely on Gay when necessary and time to time to hit the buzzer
    like  Lucas III yesterday.

    The great thing is the the feeling
    that these guys have now, the way they are playing with confidence, able
    to win difficult games and not only when their best player score well.
    The impact/value of Gay’s acquisition has to be evaluated beyond the
    stats.  And now was impressive.