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Recap | Box Score

100 Toronto Raptors
Landry Fields, SF 23 MIN | 2-4 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | +4That jumper still looks ugly as ever, but he played some great D on Carmelo early in the game, and it was only foul trouble that kept him from rightfully closing out the night. Once Ross matures, it’s hard to see a place for him on this team going forward, but he’s great situationally and won’t ever kill your team on either end of the floor – a solid performance tonight.
Rudy Gay, SF 41 MIN | 11-23 FG | 9-11 FT | 7 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 32 PTS | +10I can’t give him an A+ after the litany of momentum-killing 3s he threw up in the first half (all unsuccessful), but tonight was his night from the 3rd quarter on. When his shot is falling, he’s borderline unstoppable, and rightfully put the Raps on his back and carried them across the finish line at the end of the game. There’s a different feel to this team in close games with him on the floor.
Jonas Valanciunas, C 21 MIN | 1-4 FG | 1-2 FT | 10 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 3 PTS | +11A really gutty effort tonight. Matched up with the larger Tyson Chandler, he didn’t back down, giving as good as he got, blocking a couple shots and showing some confidence in his post-up game. Didn’t play at all in the fourth, which was a shame – he was the Raptors’ best big tonight for long stretches.
Kyle Lowry, PG 34 MIN | 5-11 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 7 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 15 PTS | +15Was pretty invisible in the second half offensively due to the emergence of Rudy and DeMar, but kept the team in the game early with some hot shooting and hit an incredible floater late in the fourth over Tyson Chandler to put the Raps up 2 with 28 seconds left. I know there are some dissenters, but I love when he’s uber-aggressive on offense – it opens up the rest of the floor for his shooters and he’s extremely tough to stop.
DeMar DeRozan, SG 39 MIN | 6-13 FG | 6-6 FT | 1 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 18 PTS | +8Fought through a difficult first half to end up with a reasonable stat line after some excellent decision-making in the 3rd. In the first half, though, he seemed to give up the ball every time he touched it. A very Jekyll and Hyde-esque performance, but 18 points on 13 field goals isn’t too shabby.
Amir Johnson, PF 32 MIN | 5-6 FG | 2-2 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | -9Was strong down the stretch and went toe-to-toe with Amar’e for a couple plays, but his defensive effort seemed to be lacking at times, particularly during the Knicks’ early fourth quarter run. That said, the hustle plays he brings to the Raps can’t be overlooked in their recent success – I’m more impressed with the improvement he’s made this season than any other Raptor.
Andrea Bargnani, C 13 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -2Was unfairly booed by the home crowd, but his string of woeful performances continued tonight – he looked listless on defense and wasn’t even close on his two shot attempts (to be fair, one was extremely late in the shot clock). That all being said, I felt bad for him after the reaction he was getting from the fans – he’s an emotional guy and it clearly affected him. Fan etiquette rule number 1: If the guy’s on your team and he’s not doing something incredibly stupid, don’t boo him.
John Lucas, PG 14 MIN | 4-9 FG | 0-1 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 10 PTS | -13Triggered the offense when he was in, as he’s been doing with aplomb the last few games, but made some poor decisions with the ball to start the fourth that helped trigger a Knicks run. I’m really happy with the way he’s been playing lately, but it was still evident from tonight why the Raps felt they needed to add a point guard.
Alan Anderson, SG 22 MIN | 1-8 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -14If they go in, he gets an A. If he misses, he gets a D. Simple as that. Particularly egregious tonight was his attempt to go one-on-one with Carmelo in the fourth when Rudy was so hot his shoes were melting.
Dwane CaseyOne of the more well-coached games this year – Casey managed his rotations excellently (I could have gone with more Jonas in the fourth and letting Fields play over Anderson, but that’s nitpicking), came up with some nifty offensive set plays out of timeouts, and clearly lit a fire under the team at halftime that changed the course of the game.

Three Things We Saw

  1. Save for Fields’ individual effort on Carmelo, defence was nowhere to be seen in the first quarter. The teams ended the stanza tied at 32 – their combined total after 1 in their matchup 9 days ago.
  2. The third quarter tonight was the first time we’ve seen Rudy truly approach that “unstoppable” status that everyone’s been secretly hoping for – he went 7 for 9 in the frame and seemed to take (and make) whatever he wanted. He’s clearly not that player any given night, but the fact that he has the potential is more than the vast majority of players can say in this league – and it’s also something the Raptors haven’t had since Bosh.
  3. How great was the crowd tonight? I haven’t seen the ACC that amped for a game in a long time, and it clearly galvanized the team late. Despite the Bargnani booing, the best home crowd of the season for one of the best games of the year.

  • Mark

    What’s wrong with booing Andrea? 

    • jacobdrichards4

       I know hes had a rough year, your stuck with him deal with it. What do you want him to do hes going to be playing they’re not going to get rid of him. So just suck it up and if he plays really bad boo him if you want. But before he does anything you shouldn’t boo him let the guy make some mistakes. If you really give a shit about how this team does then you will cheer for your players . Just as much as he is the problem for his mistakes lately, its people like you who feel its okay to boo him and give him no confidence that adds to his bad games. Give the guy a break and get over it.

      • Tstuderm

        He should atleast try to will his fans back, not jus keep doing shit…he needs to do something to win us back

        • jacobdrichards4

           He had two good games when he came back , but you can tell their not running plays for him. He got two shots the whole game and one which Lucas threw it into his hands with two seconds left and left him out to dry. Believe me I’ve had my issues with bargnani and have wanted him gone just as much as everyone else. But now that hes here show a little class and give the guy a chance to do something to change your minds.

          • CJT

            Agreed.  I hate to see this classless display by our fans.  Just because you don’t cheer for him doesn’t mean you have to boo him.  We are becoming more like our asshole neighbors to the south everyday.

            • knickz

               as you all know I don’t like bargs but I was absolutely disgusted with the acc faithful!!! that’s no way to treat a player on the team you root for!!! glad jose is gone from these miserable fans

              • FAQ

                Yes, miserable Moronto t.h.f.’s…. who only cheer when the ball goes into the hoop because all they can see is the ball in the air.

                When the tv cameras pan into the crowd you can see the pathetic, nerdy drek that sit in the stands screaming their faces off… deluding that they are actually an integral part of this Ratpor bunch of individual performers.

                This is not a ‘team’ it’s just three guys, RG, KL and DDR who dictate what happens on the floor… and Casey is  incidental to their performances.

                This is the shittiest, out of control bunch of jerks… and it’s no wonder Bargnani doesn’t fit into these scurrying rodents…. sooooooo obvious.

                • onemanweave

                  Fax, old pal.It’s a shame that one of the great bb minds of our generation is subject to the foibles and vagaries of thousands of THF. None of them measure up.
                  MLSE has a plan to ensure quality control at Raps games. Only you and your buddy Fluq will be allowed to attend. You’ll be sitting courtside in the same seat, of course.

              • Jerry

                They boo Bargs because fans pay good money to see players give it their all. Bargs does not give it his all he is just there to collect his paycheck! He is lazy and has not  rewarded the fans for all their support. They have supported him for 7 years and he does not give a shit! Maybe this will light a fire under his ass and finally inspire him to play basketball. Haha ya right!

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

                  So your motivational skills are negativity. Lets yell at the guy and make him feel like shit. How does that make sense? The guy is coming back from injury and the first thing we did was boo. We are in a playoff chase and if you want your moneys worth, we should encourage him so that he can produce off the bench.

                • Jerry

                  We have been encouraging him for 1..2…7 years!! His motivation should be that if he wants fans to cheer him he should start playing good ball and actually give a shit!

                • voy

                  at least for the sake of the other players the fans should stfu.  you think any other player wants to hear their fans boo for a teammate?

        • knickz

           he will never win me back…disliked him from the day he was drafted

        • Buschfire

          I agree, I was at the game tonight though and I was surprised that it was majority of the stadium booing him, and it was really loud too, I felt a bit embarrassed…. none the less he needs to do something to change the hearts of Raptors fans. maybe get 10 rebounds once and a while….

        • Dbobb28

          It’s classless. What is booing him gonna achieve? It’s just gonna get into his head as he’s only human and it won’t help our team. Come on fans, we are better than this

        • Mopola

          If he shoots the ball – you’re unhapy, if he don’t you’re unhappy too.  Yes, he is playing terribly last couple of games, but fans are asking too much from him. After R.Gay trade, he doesn’t get the ball at all. Guys like JLIII and AA (whom he plays with as second unit) think that they are Kobe Bryant and they don’t even look to his side.

          • pogi

            At least he should work hard on defense and rebound but he’s not trying to that at all.  Look at Fields, he doesn’t score but fans like him for his defense and rebounding.

            • trample54

              why should he have to settle when he has an offensive skill set people will die for?

    • John

      It’s pretty stupid because he’s on your tam, but do as you please I guess

    • Guest

      Its fucked up is what’s wrong.  We have the guy at least until summer and there’s nothing we can do about it.  He’s technically our best guy off the bench and we need him playing well if we want to get to the playoffs.  Heckling the shit out of him every time he’s on the floor isn’t going to help his shooting % or defensive intensity, so we might as well give him some support.  We’re all Raptor fans (I think) and Bargs is a Raptor for the rest of the season whether we like it or not.

      • j bean

        Booing him and putting him through hell is the best medicine he’ll ever take. What doesn’t kill u makes you stronger. If he comes through this by making it a personal challenge to change the booing to cheering he will be a better person for it and will earn the respect of his teammates.

        • Hound

          What if it does kill him? Figuratively for Raptor basketball. How does that help us fans, who are rooting for the team to do better. Never mind the fact that your hatred and anger is negative energy to both you and the people around you.

        • Dbobb28

          That is the most ridiculous comment of all. No player and I mean no player, would be able to perform well getting booed constantly at your home court. Kobe was up on rape charges, Bonds was hated all over baseball and at no point and time did they get booed at home. Show some common sense and class. We want him to do well for our team. Do you idiots who boo think his teammates or coach respect when you boo? Pathetic and childish

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Typical Hogtown stupidity. So if he misses a contested jumper, lets just boo him. Its like putting a gun to a guys head while he is in his own home court. How sad is that? How self-conscious does the guy feel when he is shooting or even dribbling the damn fucking ball when everyone is going to scrutinize his every move. You are a complete dumbass.

          • j bean

            My experiences in dealing with humiliation and rejection have helped me overcome adversity and has improved the lives of  myself and others. 
            I stand by my statement that if he overcomes the negativity and turns his game around he will step his game up to a level he has yet to achieve.  

            I’m not a boo bird and don’t condone it but the booing is there and he has to deal with it.  Maybe he lets it become the straw that broke the camel’s back.
            Maybe he fights through it and earns the respect of everyone in the process.

        • Boss2u

          Based on your comment, you’re either a 17 year old kid with now experience in life or a terrible parent who abuses his kids thinking that you are doing them a favour and making them stronger by abusing them!
          Booing Andrea only gets to his head and makes him lose confidence resulting into inferior play. Andrea is being picked on, because BC made him out to be this great player and the dumb fans in Toronto bought into his lies!  People like you are still basing their comments based on BC’s lies (that AB is going to be an allstar). And now that the cat is out and everyone knows that Andrea isn’t the player that BC advertised him to be, “Raptor Fans” are hanging him out to dry.I’m no AB fan, but this is no way to treat a Raptor! 

    • ad

       Agreed. Fans have the right to boo primo if they choose. Fans like players who give effort. More often then not, primo is either invisible or just doesnt hustle enough.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

        Your not motivating him or making the situation any better by booing

        • ad

           Well, bargs just needs to suck it up. He is a pro athlete getting paid millions. Granted, he is human, but if he actually showed fans he cared and started playing harder, the boos would stop. The knicks broadcasters brought up an interesting point which I think is very valid. He just doesnt love the game of basketball, he likes it. Thats why he always seems to be going through the motions on the court. Just not mentally into it enough and doesnt have the passion of someone like jv.

          • Deadallus

             Booing = disengaged player = poor production = plummeting trade value = stuck with him longer or trading him for a luke warm meal.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

            Its kind of intimidating when you have to live up to the pressure of your own damn fans. Like I feel that Andrea would rather play on the road than at home. No athlete should feel that way, even if you are making millions. And please, don’t put money into the conversation, we are all human beings.

          • Hound

            Question? Pro athlete or not, do you want the raps to win and play better? Presumably you do. Do you think booing Bargs will make him play better or worse, knowing what you know about him? I think it is obvious he plays worse. Ergo, stop booing and perhaps your wish of the raps winning will be more likely.

            I hate to actually have to spell this logic out to you, but you seem to need it.

            • Dbobb28

              Well said!!!

            • RapthoseLeafs

              Stats say it all – since his return (7 games)

              Home …. .304 efg%
              Away ….  .694

              Keep it up Rap fans … we should be able to get that .304 down some more.

              .

          • Guest

            You should listen to your husband, Mrs. Lowry.  Go read his tweet if you don’t know what I mean.

            I normally wouldn’t care but right now, with us hoping to sneak into the playoffs, the last thing we need is an emotionally hurt Bargnani.  Forget the whole “he’s a human being” bit; why we would choose now to make it even harder for a struggling player to perform, all in the name of teaching him a laughable “life lesson”, is beyond me.  If you (this is a general “you”) can’t put your personal vitriol aside for the good of the team, then you’re more a hater than a Raptors fan.  Get behind the entire team or get the f*ck off the bandwagon.

            (Even if we weren’t trying for the playoffs, booing your own player into submission is the most anti-intuitive thing to do for a fan-base that wants the player traded.  Talk about stupidity.)

            • DumbassKicker

              ding! ding! ding! DING! DING! DING!

              hard to believe even neanderthals cannot grasp it

        • Hound

          Agreed. But Arse dumps another boo on him with an F. Reality check is that his man never got a rebound or scored when he was in the game, and he did exactly what he has been told to do on offence, set screens and then get your ass out to the 3 point line and take Chandler with you.

          I am from the prairies and have only been to Toronto once. If the fan reaction is indicative of the people who live there, then I guess everything i hear about Toronto is true. Very sad, as a canadian I would think we are better, but maybe not.

          • Hound

            Apologies to Arse, Garrett dropped the Boobird on Bargs

    • SukaTori

       nothing wrong just fans pedigree, NBA TV is watched in many different country all over the world and the world knows which kind of fans base there’s in toronto (that’s not a news)

    • pran

      there is something wrong with YOU. 

      • SukaTori

        nothing wrong man, it’s  “Fan etiquette rule number 1” booing is always wrong

        • Buschfire

          sure, tell that to the sellout crowd tonight, I was at the game.. I didn’t boo him but it wasn’t just one section of boo birds booing him, it was really loud almost the entire stadium, almost as bad as when VC come back to play in T dot….

    • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!

      Nothing- boo his lazy half ass out of town- BC too!!

      I can’t believe he’s still on the roster BC never gives up on trying to fit AB into whatever the Raptors have going on….smh

      I really don’t like watching the Raptors with AB in uniform…bad karma…time to clean house.

      Fuck you AB!
      You’re the Raptor fans love 2 hate (Ice Cube voice)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

        And by you booing, it ain’t going to make him go any faster. Your better off just shutting up, let him do his thing and hope he plays better off the bench. And maybe this will increase his trade value in the offseason. 
        By booing, his confidence goes down, production level goes down, therefore his trade value goes down. It just doesn’t make sense. Typical Hogtown idiot talk.

        • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!

          Wow…a little too emotional there buddy, lmao.

          I’m not at the games booing him- recognize game.

          AB’s value in BC’s eyes is too unrealistic- face the truth….

          • Boss2u

            AB’s value in YOUR eyes is too unrealistic and that’s why you agree with the booing- face the truth….

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

            The value isn’t going any to get any higher by booing him stupid. BC tried to trade him and saw no trade that would get fair value. Sorry but at one point this guy did average 20 pts in a season, so this guy can play. 

      • SukaTori

         The Idiot N.1 is back

      • NyAlesund

         Poor you.

        • BCBargnaniFieldsCaseyGots2Go!

          I got fans aka stans (eminem voice) lmfao

    • NyAlesund

       He is Raptors player. The team, Colangelo has to make a statement to help this guy. Notbecause they love him but at least to protect the investiment. In addition is to be awful for those “fans” to see him score 15 points?

    • RapthoseLeafs

      Loser fans boo their own players.
      Loser fans do it, despite how it affects their team’s result.

      Loser Manifesto …. If it costs a win, so be it.

      .

  • skeptical

    Giving Anderson a “D” is incredibly generous. If the shots he was missing were good decisions then I’d understand, but they weren’t.  The Raptors are lucky to walk away with this game after the horrible Anderson/Lucas show early in the fourth.

    • KJ-B

      BUT AT LEAST LUCAS SCORED.

    • ad

       I fucking hate AA. When your shot is not falling, PASS THE FUCKING BALL.  Instead this jackass just keeps hoisting up shots. When hes hot like he was against okc and mem, fine. However, those are rare exceptions.

      • CJT

        Remember the time we beat the Knicks twice in a week?  No, I didn’t think so.

        • ad

           Ok so hes been hot 3 games out of 55 or so. But your ok with him contantly shooting bricks, the rest? The guy needs to pass the ball when his shot isnt falling, is all im saying. When hes hot, keep feeding it to him.

          • CJT

            I got your point, I just don’t understand your attitude.  When we lose you bitch, when we win you bitch.  Aren’t you able to enjoy watching your home team beat another team with superior talent and twice the payroll?  Are there issues?  Of course, but AA plays his ass off every night and 800K he is one of the best value players there is for the things he brings to the table.

            • ad

               Im not bitching. I just replied to somone else’s bitching. Im just pointing out an easily correctable flaw that will hopefully help the team win more games in the future. Less bad shots for aa= better chance of winning, simple.

              • CJT

                “I fucking hate AA”  I guess you and I have different definitions of bitching.  I am not saying that he can’t improve his decision making etc. but I also know when to enjoy a good win over a better team.

                • ad

                   Fair enough. Not all fans are the same tho.

                • DumbassKicker

                  No, some are even idiotic enough to hurt their own team, by booing a player on the team. Imagine.

          • Bendit

            WTF was Casey doing keeping him in? …or not whispering in his ear about the gulag at the end of the bench. He needs to pull up his coaching pants some.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

        Go sub in Ross or Fields then and have fun with them shooting bricks

        • ad

          Wow, I never knew such a crappy player like AA had such a devoted fan club.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

            There isn’t any other player on the bench to really cheer for

            • What the

              What about  Barnry ?

          • Guest

            Surprised you’re not the only fanboy sucking c*ck?

    • mountio

      coudnt agree more. I guess Ross was hurt tonight, but he has to get AAs minutes. Even Fields at least knows hes bad on O and doesnt shoot. AA is a real problem. 

      • WhiteVegas

        Ross plays like a lost child out there. He’s the definition of a rookie. I love the guy and he has huge potential but he looks so damn nervous and lost out there and he constantly makes mistakes. AA, even with his chucking, gives us a better chance of winning this year. After a summer working on his flaws I expect Ross to be the undisputed 6th man.

        • mountio

          I actually agree with what you are saying. But, the only way to get through it is to get TRoss more minutes. And, what exactly are we playing for this year anyways? The mythical playoff run…?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

            There is a slight chance, so why give up hope on a playoff run to give minutes to Ross now. I would prefer a steady vet off the bench like Anderson who can handle the ball and create his own shot then a shaky Ross, who is really losing confidence in that jumper. If we were tanking the season, then I would just dump the minutes on Ross and develop him but right now it is all too important.

          • DumbassKicker

            “the only way to get through it is to get TRoss more minutes”

            You keep spouting this over and over and over and over. WTF do you know of his psychological makeup? Basketball players are people, not identical pieces of lego. What works for one isn’t always the right thing for another. Coaches at any level, never mind when dealing with boys suddenly playing against seasoned men, have to deal with many different personalities and mental make-ups. No coach gets it right all the time, but they have a lot more information to make these decisions than any of us couch coaches.

  • morons

    “raptors 7-3 with Rudy Gay…they’d be 10-0 with Jose and Ed”  ——retards

    • Guest

      lol

    • EmarErozan

      Daniel?

    • Doc

      Ed outplayed Gay against Memphis.

    • knickz

       nobody i saying that. can you imagine what our record would be if we had rudy, ed and jose? colangelo needs to go

      • jacobdrichards4

         I’m sorry? Rudy ed and jose eh? who the hell do you expect us to trade besides ed and jose to get rudy?

        • CJT

          I think he was suggesting that BC could have drafted him in the first place and that may have allowed us to keep these other players.

          • N A Tate

             bingo!

        • knickz

           could have traded the 8th pick at the draft and someone else

    • SukaTori

      maybe they’d be 0-10 with Jose and Ed”  ——retards
      we won at leat 3 game with Gay scoring hard in crunch (and that was a team lack before)

  • Statement

    Great defense by Kyle on Carmelo for the last shot.

    I love Calderon,  but there was certainly no Calderon and Lin in that situation.

    • mountio

      agree it was good D, but isnt the right thing to do there to hug Carmelo once you are iso’d with the mismatch at the 3 pt line? There would have been like 9 seconds left .. even if he hits the 2 .. with an inbounds, another foul etc we should be able to ice it

      • Hound

        agree in principle, but the problem is that you can only get away with that if he turns his back to the basket. Face up, once the contact comes he will heave something up and because he is a star, he probably will get the call. If you could foul him on his first dribble, maybe that  would be okay. Tricky situation, I liked how Lowry played it.

        On a side note, I like how Lowry has played (by and large) since Gay came to the team. He seems to be more in control and although he never will be a great facilitator, he seems to have a better handle on the pg role. Other than the childish pouting from time to time, I would say well done.

      • Statement

        I agree with you, but given that they didn’t go there, I’m glad Lowry had that good defense Melo. 

        Obviously we don’t know about how it would have played out with Calderon, but I do know that Melo > Lin, so I can guess.

    • ad

       Yep, and calderon doesnt have the ability to hit that kind of shot over chandler. Clutch, KLOW.

      • knickz

         everyone has that ability, jose just isn’t a floater guy. i remember him hitting a clutch layup just before he was traded

    • why

      wow – an actual comment about the game

  • cdub

    I don’t think AB deserves an F.  I don’t think they even ran a single play for him.  If your not going ot utilize him they may as well put Acy out there.  I don’t get it.  AA hs a greenlight to shoot bricks though. The fans booing is pretty embarrassing for all raptor fans.  I don’t see anyone booing the chuckeroo for playing like garbage every 3 out of 4 games.

    • Hound

      Acy would not have defended Chandler as well, nor would he have been able to bring Chandler away from the basket on offence.

    • NyAlesund

       What a shame!!! Booing him only because now this is the national sport! Not hockey. The crowd booed him even when he committed foul on Chandler. Jesus.

      Not play for him, for all the time he was relegated on the corner or to put some screens. Defensively he stopped Chandler to take some offensive rebs. I don’t know what’s going on but  the organization has to take the decision. If put him out of the rotation or give him the chance to be an active part of this team with some plays for him.

      They can’t go with this mess for other two months.

      • SukaTori

         They will go on with this mess for many year, with or without AB
        coach staff has lack personality and tactics
        wait and see fans will boo someone else when the dude will be out
        then someone here will change the nick in
        BCLowryFieldsCaseyGots2Go!
        or
        BCA.JohnsonFieldsCaseyGots2Go!
        and so on

  • KJ-B

    Alan Anderson at the beginning of the 4th–STRAIGHT UGLY–  

    RUDY GAY…did I just see THAT?!?  No really tho… *__*

    • KJ-B

      PLAYOFFS??? 

      • Scottbbaird

        You get a legit “maybe”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      Who else you going to put? I wouldn’t put Ross in, he can’t even buy a 3 right now. Anderson has that ability at least to create off the dribble or hit the 3 consistently now. He did it to the Knicks last time.

      • KJ-B

        Addition by subtraction would leave ol Bargs at the “stretch 4” and riding Fields/Ross based on who’s hotter to spell DeRozan/Gay that night…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Thats what they been doing with Bargnani. However with Fields/Ross, you need another ball handler because Fields or Ross can’t create off the bounce. Even though Anderson does take bad shots at times, at least he has the balls to be aggressive and initiate the offense when it becomes stagnate. 

  • John

    So if I praise Rudy am I going to have the same jackasses who always show up to criticize shooting % attack me? I guess the fact that the Raps are winning and beating good teams isn’t enough for some.

    • Syed Qamar1

      Rudy had a great game but man did he ever take too many shots I don’t even think I seen deRozan touch it after mid way through the 3rd. Gay had a good game but if his shots Wernt falling this was a loss and everybody would have bashed gay this there’s 4 other guys on the court and gay needs understand that, though he does an okay job at finding team mates its people like AA and JLIII that need to know that and bargs needed some play calls for him to get the second unit going and the poor guy hasn’t done Anything wrong and is getting booood night in and night out still stand by the fact that’s its colngelos fault and not bargs

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

        Hopefully Sebastian can own the second unit better and get guys touches

        • WhiteVegas

          Yeah, with Lucas in there it’s just another SG. The guy never passes or sets anyone up, just tries to score. Not sure if Bassy will be any better but it’s worth a shot.

      • RapthoseLeafs

        [“Gay had a good game but if his shots Wernt falling this was a loss and everybody would have bashed gay…”]

        I’m thinking  they would’ve bashed Bargs.

        .

    • Darien

      Nobody is saying Rudy Gay isn’t a good player or even that he isn’t the best player on this team right now, but the way that he is playing is not going to lead to consistent wins over good teams. When the game started to get tight in the fourth, it turned into the Rudy/Lowry show and it was just bad shots after turnovers after bailouts etc. Playing 2v5 will not get you very far (and for a looong stretch in the fourth it was Rudy vs 5). 

      So yeah, happy for the razor win, but better decision making has to happen for the wins to keep coming in.

      • WhiteVegas

        “the way that he is playing is not going to lead to consistent wins over good teams”

        That’s weird, because we have been consistently winning over good teams since we got Gay. Clippers, Pacers, Nuggets, and Knicks twice, plus our two wins over bad teams in NO and the Wiz.

        • Darien

          Yeah, we beat the Clippers who were without Chris Paul and Matt Barnes, and all those other wins were 2 or less points with the exception of New York which was 4 points. Honestly, they could’ve gone either way. We were “really close” to winning a whole bunch of games earlier in the season and just didn’t get the bounce and I’m glad we’re getting them now. But unless you got a crystal ball that says we play our way into the playoffs and prove we beat good teams regularly in the long run, I don’t see our style of iso hero ball making the cut in the long run.

          Love to be proven wrong though.

          • WhiteVegas

            You’re making excuses for other teams just so you can keep hating on the Raps. Thank goodness we have you as a fan…..

            • Darien

              There’s making excuses and then there’s reality. We needed the wins and we’re lucky to have them. However, we escaped some of those games by the skin of our teeth — saying “nuh-uh” doesn’t make it any less true. Some of those teams WERE missing key players, and if you think Iguodala, Chandler and Gallinari can’t make up 1 point then your glasses are just another colour of rose.

              Gay brings a certain brand of legitimacy to this team that was sorely lacking. Absolutely. But his game (and Lowry, JL3, AA etc.) also has flaws in it that need to be addressed, and without accounting for those issues, there is no way we beat those “good teams” when they’re healthy.

              That’s not all on Rudy, but he is the guy people give the ball to in the 4th and then get out of the way, so a large part of the burden lies with him.

              • WhiteVegas

                You’re acting like Gay, Lowry, JL3, AA is our core for the future. JL3 and AA will likely be gone next year, or serve far smaller roles. We got way better from the trade and have been beating good teams. NY is 2nd in the East and not missing any key players and we just beat them twice. The Clips were on a 2 game win streak without Paul when we beat them. But lets ignore all that so we can hate on the team we supposedly root for….

                • Darien

                  What you call hate, I call measured skepticism. You made a nice strawman there out of my one comment about the people who were playing with tunnel vision tonight, but no, I’m not acting like all those guys belong to our core. Just to clear things up, the players I currently view as core are Gay, Derozan, Valanciunas… um that’s pretty much it. I wouldn’t be too rocked if anyone else got traded (for the right price of course). I hope to god JL3 and AA will not have the same amount of game time they are getting right now by next year.

                  In any case, we could go back and forth about the “quality” of wins forever, but the fact is that right now the sample size is too small to make real judgements about the team. I like it when the team wins easily; you like it when the team wins period. While there is something to be said about a win is a win is a win, I don’t think our current streak is indicative of future performance against elite teams because of how we got those wins.

        • CJT

          Don’t insert facts please.

        • John

          Exactly

        • FLUXLAND

          Fake wins. Beating (op) and “wining” are two different things.

          Clippers missing best player, Pacers playing 15 games in 3 nights,  Nuggets missing 3 key guys….don’t let facts get in thew way of your entertainment. 

          Just talk about the much improved defense while ignoring they still giving up leads when the other teams switches gears.

          • WhiteVegas

            15 games in 3 nights?!?!? That’s god damn impressive. I guess I can forgive the Pacers for losing then….

          • John

            These are some fantastic facts.  I can’t believe I missed all this.  Here’s a fact for you, the Raps are 7-3 since the trade and have beaten top teams, despite all your whining and excuses.

            BTW, who were the Knicks missing for those two games, you know the team that has the second best record in the East? 

  • BadDinosaur

    Really good, exciting game! Everybody played it tough, with effort, not backing down and with confidence. I loved it! The crowd was really going nuts too! Great night being a Raps fan!

  • thatpeterguy

    Wait. Are we good now? 7-3 since the trade and the team looks totally different. For the first time since the Oakley days we look like an actual tough scrappy team. This feels like the beginning of the franchise turning the corner. 

    • Jimi

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

    Booing him and putting pressure is not making it any better. 

  • Gusto

    Booing to Andrea is a low blow really, he may suck but have respect

  • robertparrish00

    I love it.  Mostly because I hate the knicks.   The booing of Bargs is getting annoying, like it is the in thing to do.  I am not a fan of his contract or work ethic, but give it a rest.  We know how long he is going to be on the team so deal with it.  He plays better when he is cheered, so cheer him and help your team win. 

  • Jigs

    Guys we need to stop booing Bargs. Its only gonna hurt his confidence and his game even more. Best case scenario, we don’t boo him and he regains his confidence, and we have another offensive weapon off the bench. Can’t hurt!!

  • ad

    Good to see the raps do better in late game situations. The talent is improved, clearly. Definitely better to have lowry and gay on the floor in crunch time situations instead of calderon and fields/anderson.  Loved the gay/melo matchup also.

  • j bean

    That was one the Knicks wanted bad to end their losing streak. A very tough test for the Raps who bent but never broke. Remember all those games lost in the final minutes when a stop was so hard to find? The weak links on D have been replaced and what a difference it’s made. 

  • Scottbbaird

    When was Bosh “unstoppable”?

  • SukaTori

    brain plastic etiquette rule number 1: If the guy’s on your team and he’s not doing something incredibly stupid, do boo him.

  • knickz

    if colangelo had a heart, he would amnesty bargs tomorrow, nobody on our squad deserves that type of treatment. Also, isn’t a good look for free agents

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      I surprised a teammate hasn’t stood up for him in the media

      • knickz

         lowry just spoke out on twitter. asked fans to stop the boos

        • POUND THE ROCK

          lowry needs to shut the fuck  up cause he hasn’t been here for 7 years or he needs to pass Barney the ball so that he can score and  the fans can start  showing love for the broken pasta

          • SukaTori

            well Idiot N.3  has arrived, a new entry

    • SukaTori

        that’s good idea. the right way for both side (take bargs out of this shit)

  • Deadallus

    I can’t believe people keep roasting Gay for his FG% when he is winning us games.  This fan base is f&%@ed.  Probably the same morons that boo Bargs.  Clown asses.

    • SukaTori

       +1

      • Thornbury

        +2

  • WhiteVegas

    I hope Arsenalist is eating his words about the Gay acquisition being horrible for the Raps. 7-3 with 5 of the wins against good teams, 2 of them against our rival the Knicks (I like to think of them as our rival).
    When you see Gay having a good game you just know it’s going to be a Raps win. No more nail biting in the final 4 minutes as we slowly give the game away. It’s fucking great.

    • arsenalist

      Never said it was horrible.  Said it was another hard swing by Colangelo and that it was due.  Said it hampers us financially unless we move some pieces.  Was worried trading Ed was an endorsement of Bargnani.  Here’s exactly what I said:

      What I do know is that this is GM hackery and he’s entirely flying by the seat of his pants and gambling at every turn.  He’s failed every time but the sun shines on a dog’s ass some days, and I’m hoping this gamble, unlike every other, works.  To me, there was no reason to disrupt the course we were on (get draft picks, develop draft picks), but that requires patience.  Sometimes, when your NBA reputation is on the line, one’s job security takes precedence over what the proper direction of a franchise should be, especially when your tendency is to gamble rather than plan (but hey, at least he didn’t give up a first-round pick!).Welcome, Rudy Gay.  I hope you surprise us all.  At the end of the day, we all knew Calderon was a goner, so this essentially boils down to Ed Davis for Rudy Gay, thus clearing the long-standing logjam at PF.  Two years ago, that would’ve been an awesome deal for the Raptors, the question is whether it is now.  I also hope that this is not the end of the wheeling and dealing.http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2013/01/30/deal-agreed-raptors-acquire-rudy-gay-for-jose-calderon-and-ed-davis/

      • WhiteVegas

        I’m not talking about that article, I’m talking about this huge piece written by you that shits all over the trade.
        http://staging.raptorsrepublic.com/2013/01/29/developing-story-trade-talks-between-raptors-and-grizzlies-reach-final-hurdle-jose-calderons-salary-raptors-throwing-in-pick-as-well/

        Here are some choice quotes:
        “I had some hopes that the board would stop this madness but clearly, given that this is in such a late stage, they’ve given their approval and can’t seem to see this is a desperate act by Colangelo to seem proactive and ultimately, try to save his job. To me, this season is quite on course to what was expected, unless you actually thought the Raptors were going to make the playoffs which is absolutely insane. Perhaps they are 3-4 wins shy on account of, say, injury and bad luck, but at the end of the day we’re seeing Davis blossom into something meaningful, Valanciunas show that he’s capable, and Ross pick up his game. The right move here is to get rid of Bargnani in favor of a cheap three-point shooting small forward (or just amnesty him), and to trade Jose Calderon for a pick or serviceable rotation player.”

        Thank fucking god we aren’t trotting out a cheap small forward and a serviceable rotation player instead of Rudy Gay.

        “I realize that it’s tempting to see Rudy Gay as the “shot maker” who will save us in the fourth quarter and stop the bleeding when it comes to these close losses, but that is a tremendously short-sighted view of the situation.”

        Short sighted? Really? The guy is a fucking monster in the fourth quarter is is absolutely the shot maker who saves us in close games.

        “The resulting lineup out of this trade will be Bargnani, Valanciunas, Gay, DeRozan and Lowry. It’s an OK lineup on paper presently, and assuming it yields mediocrity (and that IS the best case scenario)”

        Mediocrity? We’re 7-3 with Gay and have beaten 5 winning teams in that stretch. We’ve already surpassed your “best case scenario”

        “Why we would abandon this course of drafting talent and developing it, in favor of another gamble is beyond me and speaks to nothing but lack of patience.”

        The trade, a gamble as you call it, or steal as I call it, has clearly worked out way better than waiting on more fucking draft picks. Patience gets you in the lottery every year. We’re winning now and driving towards the playoffs and it’s awesome. Look at the fucking crowd now!

        This trade wasn’t a gamble, it was a steal. We gave up a mediocre PF and an aging PG who was going to leave anyways for a Superstar potential player in Gay. He has flashed that potential more often than not in the 10 games he’s been here, and you most certainly have egg all over your face after that article I just linked to.

        • Hound

          In defence of Arse, it is pretty easy to cherry pick words and then blast them back at someone. WTF, are you trying to make it onto 60 minutes.

          I don’t think anybody thought Rudy wouldn’t be an upgrade immediately for this team, but many had, and still do have reservations as to the $ amount of Rudy’s contract and how it affects the team moving forward.

          • WhiteVegas

            Cherry pick? I copy/pasted 75% of the damn article because the whole thing was a hit piece on Gay and the trade. Go read it, I provided the link.

            • Hound

              I am not disputing that these are Arse’s words and that most of the article is there. But when you write 100’s of articles and many about the same player, to come back after a small sample size (10 games), I think cherry picking is an appropriate term.

              I like Rudy and I like the trade, but don’t blast a guy thinking you are right and he is wrong without the fullness of time to back up your theory. Like the Zen master says “we’ll see”.

              • WhiteVegas

                10 games isn’t enough to prove it to you, fine. I have no doubt he will keep playing this good. Also, Arse didn’t write hundreds of articles on the Gay trade, there was this one when it was heavily rumored to be going down, and one more after it happened. That’s 2 by my math.

                • Hound

                  Fair enough. Two reasonable people can disagree.

                  Go Raps

        • John

          Well said White Vegas.  These so called experts, who love to speak in a condescending tone, as if they have some extraterrestrial basketball insight, love to shit on this team and any move Colangelo makes.  I’ll be the first to agree I haven’t agreed with some/many of his moves, but this was an absolute steal.  The idea of constantly tanking to rebuild is incredibly flawed.  First, you’re not guaranteed the top spot just because you have the worst record and you need to be unbelievably lucky to score a franchise changer.  Creating a winning culture is what draws free agents and what develops our young players.

        • arsenalist

          I stand by everything that’s written.  Gay is a gamble, it’s paying off right now and I hope it continues because I’m starved for winning just like you are. For a moment, though, try taking the long view here and look at the type of moves the Raptors are able to make in their current cap situation, the length of Gay’s contract which is determining the window of opportunity, and the type of picks the Raptors are likely to have in the next two years (and their associated trade value).  As I said in the podcast yesterday, the argument for Gay is “if you get a chance to get a guy like him, you do it”.  That’s what BC did and after failing using the same approach on Turkoglu and JO, and failing miserably, he tried it a third time with Gay and I hope it continues working.

          • WhiteVegas

            I get it, you can’t admit when you were wrong, just like every other writer (most commenters too) on this site. Comparing Gay to Turk and JO is a fucking low blow. Gay was perceived by everyone in the entire universe to be way better than those guys when we made the move. The JO deal looked bad right from the start. The Turk signing made a little more sense, but Turk has never sniffed the level of play that Gay is at, nor did he have the youth or All Star potential.
            The long view without Gay is struggling to miss the playoffs every single year, just like the past forever. Even when we get good draft picks (Bosh), the same damn thing happened. Getting Gay was a shit storm of good luck brought on by the new CBA and Toronto having the best pieces to offer of teams that were interested in Gay (Phx tried extremely hard too). You shit all over the trade from the start, and that was a bad call. It wasn’t a desperation move by BC, it was BC waking up and finding a winning lotto ticket in his cereal box. If you can jump to judgement after Gay played 0 games for the Raps, then I can certainly jump to conclusions after 10 games of 7-3 ball with Gay where he looks like a fucking stud.

            • NyAlesund

               Hedo played excepional well with the Magic. He was a key factor for the team when they played the Finals.

              Without him the Magic never ever had the possibility to sniff the ring.

  • Roarque

    If Bargnani catches fire as the 6th off the bench then the Raps could make the playoffs.
    If Bargnani catches fire as the 6th off the bench then the Raps could make the playoffs.
    If Bargnani catches fire as the 6th off the bench then the Raps could make the playoffs.
    If Bargnani catches fire as the 6th off the bench then the Raps could make the playoffs.

    Encourage the guy to perform – stop the childishness and help him break this slump

  • FAQ

    THIS IS NOT A TRUE BASKETBALL TEAM… IT’S JUST A BUNCH OF ONE-ON-ONE STREETBALLERS… AND SOON THEY WILL IMPLODE BECAUSE THE COACHES HAVE LOST CONTROL OF THE PLAYERS…. JUST WATCH..!!!

    • Hound

      I sincerely hope not. But you may be right. I don’t see a lot of chemistry, but the core (RG, KL, DD) seem to get along pretty well. I am concerned about the lack of ball and player movement, but there is no disputing that Rudy has brought a swagger and a winning attitude to this team. Does he take bad shots? Absolutely, but he seems to make players around him better. He draws the best defenders, plays decent defense, is engaged, seems like a good guy and we are winning the close games. I will give this group the benefit of the doubt, but I can’t give the coaching staff much credit from what I see.

      • knickz

         we need to trade val for a larry sanders type player because he’s useless in this 3 man offense

        • Hound

          I hope that is sarcasm. JV is doing exactly what he should be doing, gobbling rebounds. They do not need him for offense right now, but trading him would be lunacy.

    • WhiteVegas

      Are you serious? You have surpassed BCstefansaskibargsgayrossjonasgots2go as the most annoying negative nancy poster on these boards. Take your half empty glass and get the fuck outta here.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      This team has had Lowry in and out of the lineup during the season and Rudy Gay for 10 games. What the fuck do you want dumbass. They aren’t the San Antonio Spurs.

  • Nelson

    We cheered Bargs for 7 years and what did that get us.  If he’s that mentally weak that he can’t take some boo’s we’re better off without him because he’s will never win.  All the talent in the world won’t help if you can’t deal with adversity.   

    For all of you worrying that booing Bargs will scare free agents from signing here, don’t the reason free agents don’t sign here is because all the raptors have done for there existence is lose (with the exception of the Vince years) and the raptors don’t try to spend the money of free agents.

    I would amnesty Bargs and try to sign either Milsap or Al Jefferson to add some toughness to the lineup  

    • SukaTori

      here another of the guys that were booing – plastic brain

    • Hound

      Totally agree on the amnesty if he doesn’t play better, but I still don’t see how booing him makes him play better and helps us win? You can complain that he is mentally weak and can’t handle adversity, but how does that make him better? NBA players, actually all players in all sports, play better at home, partly because they have the support of their fans. Taking that away doesn’t help any player or team. It only makes the ignorant, small person feel better about themselves when they boo.

      • Nelson

        I boo him out of frustration.  He represents the failure of the last 5 years.  
        I’ll admit most of the blame is on the Raptors for their failure in developing him as a player and handling him with kid gloves because he isn’t mentally tough (Sam Mitchell quote).  
        On another team Bargs can be successful as a 6th man in the Toni Kukoc mould, but it’s not going to happen here.  The relationship has reached that point where your just sick of each other and a divorce is needed.  

        • Hound

          Ok. There is no divorce until the season is over. I am just saying, people need to grow up, put away there frustration and maybe cheer all the players while they are still Raptors. That will help the team far more than booing.

          • Nelson

            Watch him turn into Larry Murphy LOL
            On a separate note Bargs is from Rome and Lazio fans are some of the toughest fans in the world. Bargs should think he is getting off easy compared to what those psycho fans would do.

            • SukaTori

               you can say everything about Lazio fans
              Fascist base, Knife easier etc etc
              but they don’t boo their team players for free

  • knickz

    bargs isn’t good but people act as if he quit on us like bosh and vince

  • Krix

    LEAVE BARGNANI ALONE!!!!

    • SukaTori

       Yeah and FREE BARGNANI sound goods too

  • Advanced Strategy

    By booing him, we’ll bottom out his confidence until he has a breakout game in a few weeks. 

    Once he gets cheered again after that, he’ll get on a hot streak just in time for the playoffs.

    Sam Mitchell never benched him when he became a non-rebounding 21 foot chucker. The fans are benching him now.

    • Hound

      No, actually Casey is. He played 12 minutes. I don’t recall knowing any athlete that was booed to greatness by his home fans.

  • Fresh_Prints

    I usually only cringe over how pathetic some of the fan base is when Bosh or Vince come to town, now it’s every home game.  Sigh…

    Great game. Landry played a pretty tight game on D and it was fun to watch JV battle with Chandler.
    Damn you Raptors, you have me caring about you again.

  • Reje50

    i am done with you assholes

  • grizzly73

    Oh poor Bargs. The fans might hurt his feelings.  Bargs has 10 million reasons to help him feel better. Fans are paying an average of 100$ a pop to watch  a listless stiff go through the motions. They can cheer boo heckle yell all they want as long as they don’t spill their beer on me. Park his ass on the bench. That will stop the booing.

    • SukaTori

       and here is the idiot N.2 – goodmorning !!!!
       [but this dick has also value of 100$…..]

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

      So just because fans buy a ticket, it gives us them the right to be a dick. Don’t put money into this conversation. Thats more about you bitching about your own life. Bargs is a human being for godsake and we should treat people with respect, especially if they are representing Toronto and our team.

  • IC

    Seriously Raptors? You boo a guy on your own team, who isn’t even THAT bad? I don’t like his game either, but I’d never boo the guy just because he enters the game and he wasn’t traded. Rap fans stooping to a new low with this one. Booing bosh or VC is one thing, booing a guy who is still on your team and hasn’t done anything to really deserve it is bullshit. He’s not great but was offered a massive contract, which was not his fault. If anything boo Colangelo