Dear Tim Leiweke,

First of all, congratulations on your new job with Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment. I know you just landed the job, but before you unpack your bags, there’s something you really need to do.

You see, I am a Raptors fan.

I have been one since the day David Stern announced Toronto was getting an NBA team in September of 1993. I followed them through their expansion days when Damon Stoudamire was thrilling fans with his adrenaline fuelled game, during the golden days of the franchise when Vince Carter was electrifying the league and taking the team to new heights, then through the dark days when Carter was traded, when Rob Babcock’s transaction record started looking like a textbook example of what NOT to do, and when Kobe Bryant scored 81 points on a 27 win team that seemed to have completely lost it’s desire to compete.

As the old saying goes, it’s always darkest before the dawn, and just a few months after Kobe eviscerated the Raptors, it did look like dawn was finally coming for a moribund team who hadn’t even sniffed at the playoffs in four long seasons.

Bryan Colangelo was coming to Toronto to run the team.


I admit, I bought into the hype. I quickly forgot about the criticism I threw his way while running the Phoenix Suns for trying to win with a defensively flawed roster and a coach that seemed to believe defense should be an after thought. I knew the importance of defense to any team hoping to win a title. Since they began keeping defensive ratings for teams, only one team has won a Championship without being ranked in the top 5 during the regular season. That’s going back 40 years.

There’s a difference between trying to be innovative, and simply ignoring common sense.

But I wanted to believe. That’s why I wrote off Colangelo drafting Andrea Bargnani off as a difference of opinion (I was vehemently against it). Sure, I thought selecting a big man who was a poor rebounder and had bad defensive instincts was a recipe for disaster, but I trusted Colangelo.

I trusted him when he built a team whose ceiling looked rather limited, even after they won 47 games and the Atlantic Division title.

I trusted him when he made move after move that didn’t seem to make a whole lot of basketball sense at the time, or in hindsight.

I trusted him even though the team kept getting worse despite the moves he made.

I trusted him when he signed a 30 year old defensively challenged small forward with a history of motivational issues and a declining game to a 5 year, $53 million contract, to add to a team of defensively challenged players and start in the same frontcourt as Andrea Bargnani.


I trusted that he didn’t REALLY believe that team could win 50 games that year, because it was fairly obvious to anyone outside of his office that wasn’t going to happen.

I trusted him when, after losing Chris Bosh and trading away Hedo Turkoglu, it became evident he was trying to build around Bargnani, because I trusted he would realize that this was a disaster in the making.

Well, after a franchise record five year playoff drought, a team with the payroll of a contender, but the roster of a borderline playoff team, after trying to sell an inefficient, inconsistent and massively overpriced Rudy Gay as an elite player, I’ve had enough.

After seven years running the Raptors, it’s clear that Colangelo has no clue how to built a championship team. Or he’s given up trying, knowing he can take advantage of the Raptor fans loyalty.

Raptor fans deserve better.

Over the last five years, the Raptors are 14th in the league in attendance, despite averaging only 30 wins. That’s loyalty. And I’d say that deserves to be rewarded.

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Raptor fans are a passionate group. Often without reason. Over the 17 years the franchise has been in existence, only two teams have made the playoffs less than the Raptors. And they’ve only had four winning seasons during that time. They are one of the least successful franchises in the NBA on the court. But that doesn’t have to continue.

First things first. Colangelo has to go.

He’s a fantastic salesman, but we’ve had enough of him selling us lemonade and trying to convince us it’s wine. He’ll no doubt give you the whole song and dance that he needs to finish what he’s started. That he should be given another year to see what this roster he’s built can do with a full season.

But do we really need a full season to see what this roster can do? Gay isn’t the elite player Colangelo pretends he is. DeMar DeRozan isn’t the All Star Colangelo envisioned him to be, and certainly not worth the extension he was signed to. Not with the one-dimensional game he’s shown so far. Kyle Lowry couldn’t even beat Jose Calderon for the starting position until Calderon was traded away. He’s not a bad point guard, but maybe there’s a reason two previous teams gave up on him.

We’ve already given Colangelo seven years. He doesn’t need eight.

If you need more evidence, please read thisthis and this.

I hear that you might be considering Phil Jackson to replace him. I admit, I have no idea whether Jackson would be any good at running a franchise, since he’s got no front office experience. At this point, however, we’d all willing to overlook it if it means ending the Colangelo era. Raptor fans are that desperate.

I haven’t seen such a lack of hope among Raptor fans in a LONG time. It’s worse than when Bosh left town. Most of them see this team for what it is. A last gasp attempt by Colangelo to keep his job by trying to field a team that he can sell as competitive, even though being competitive is basically the upside for this crew.

Give the fans something to hope for. Maybe it’s a shot at Andrew Wiggins or even Jabari Parker. Raptor fans will be patient if you give them a reason to be. More than anything, they’d really like a chance at this…



Tim W.
Raptor fan

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  • you liar, I thought you were from vancouver, it seems preposterous you would support the raptors. haha. jk.

    • I’m not originally from Vancouver, remember. And about the only place I can talk with people about the Raptors is on the net, since few out here seem to care about them.

      • sorry, did not know you weren’t originally from there.

      • RaptorReuben

        I’m from Vancouver! (If you don’t know me, I help mod the forums!) I’d definitely be a good guy to talk to, maybe we could have you join us on a podcast on the website I work for?

        Good post Tim, I’m a glass half full type of guy, but you definitely keep the fans in check. I have a hard time trying to think reality with this team after 5 seasons of losing.

  • youngjames

    Tell us how you really feel!

  • Marz

    Definitely a liar. Tim, you haven’t trusted Bryco since the Jermaine O’Neal trade AT LEAST 😛

    • I hung in with him until last year. Didn’t agree with most of what he did, but I still hung in with him.

  • MadmanRaps

    nailed it

  • This from Yahoo Sports…

    “Colangelo has been a disappointment as a Raptors executive. He inherited star forward Chris Bosh upon taking the job in 2005, but proceeded to whiff on both choosing Andrea Bargnani first overall in the 2006 draft (not the most damning move, as several executives would have done the same), and more importantly re-signing Bargnani to a terrible contract that no other suitor was offering a few months later.

    The former Suns general manager then went on to compound that mistake by adding several middling and similar talents on the wing, leading up to the trade for Gay that will saddle the Raptors with a roster that will sidle up to the luxury tax in 2013-14 even if the team decides to use the amnesty clause and waive forward Linas Kleiza this summer. The Raptors went 17-18 with Gay in the lineup following the deal, which sent promising forward Ed Davis and guard Jose Calderon’s expiring contract away, while the Memphis Grizzlies (Gay’s former team) finished the season on a 27-11 tear.”

    “If Leiweke did hit a home run and successful court Jackson, though, Phil wouldn’t need many trips to NBA.com’s stat tool to recognize that Colangelo has stacked the roster with middling, overpaid and inefficient players who don’t contribute much defensively.”


  • RobertArchibald

    Edit: Lemonade is good. More like he sold us urine and called it lemonade.

    • Ya, I thought twice about that one. I like lemonade better than wine, quite frankly, but you’re not going to pay more than a few dollars for a bottle of lemonade.

  • Let the man do his job

    Dear Mr leiweke,

    Please do what ever you feel is best for the franchise. Not what Tim W. feel is best. He is just a fan, nothing more. He does not speak for all Raptors fans.

    • I edited it for you. Please refrain from personal insults in the future or your comments will be deleted.

      • Fair enough

        Thanks man, but seriously there is a pretty obvious contingent of fans who want to see what the current starting 5 can do with a full yr together. Don’t say u speak for everyone. There is probably another contingent now that truly just wants to see what direction the raps will take under leiweke and haven’t even decided which way they want the team to go

        • A cut and paste from above:
          I don’t claim to be speaking for all Raptor fans except when I say that we deserve better than what we’ve had over the past 17 years. If you disagree with that, then I apologize for making that assumption.

          • Jerry Garcia

            I don’t have a opinion on management …..I don’t get it…..I believe in the “Here we stand ” philosophy. I think we are Standing Tall going into next year. Peace Love Raptors

        • Copywryter

          “see what the current starting 5 can do with a full yr together”

          I hear this year after year. Lineup after lineup.

          You’re drinking the Kool-Aid. This starting five (four of whom started the season together) played .500 ball and lost important, soul-crushing, team-defining games against Milwaukee and Washington.

          So you’re waiting for this unit to graduate into a mediocre, 40-win team? You’ll call that success? What’s your honest ceiling for this team? Is that really good enough? It isn’t for me.

          Tim is calling a purple spade for what it is. This organization has been awful – basically Vancouver Grizzlies awful – for all but two brief moments. Colangelo has made poor decisions and sold them brilliantly to a fan base that doesn’t seem to care about franchise building – and not even that much about winning.

          We haven’t had an all-star in years, we haven’t made the playoffs in years, we started Sonny Weems and James Johnson.

          We’re a laughing stock around the league and Tim is asking the new CEO to wipe the slate clean by removing a man who has clearly not done his job. What’s wrong with that?

    • raptorspoo

      And some fans, you can sell them poop on a stick and they’d be happy.

      Isn’t that right, Mr. Let the man do his job?

      • Yup

        Obviously. Further proof that there are many different opinions. Nobody should be able to claim that they speak for all raptors fans, especially in an open letter to the new CEO

        • I don’t claim to be speaking for all Raptor fans except when I say that we deserve better than what we’ve had over the past 17 years. If you disagree with that, then I apologize for making that assumption.

          • Ok

            U specifically said we would all overlook Jackson’s inexperience in the front office if it meant the end of colangelo. I don’t agree with making change just for the sake of change. I’m not sold on Jackson in the front office providing us anymore than that

            • You know, it’s funny, because I had originally wrote that “I would overlook Jackson’s inexperience”, but it didn’t sound right and I changed it because I had just been talking about Raptor fans. I get your gripe. Honestly, I simply have a difficult time believing that anyone can still support Colangelo. This column seems to have brought out the few that still exist because I’m willing to bet that if you poll every Raptor fan, the overwhelming majority would be in favour of him not returning. You go to just about every Raptor forum and that seems to be case, and just about every member of the media who is not a mouthpiece for the organization has made the case he shouldn’t be back.

              As for Jackson, I’m definitely not sold on him, but I can’t see him doing a worse job than Colangelo, quite frankly. At least he’s got a Championship pedigree.

              • raptorspoo

                Yes Jackson lacks experience but he’s been in the trenches and there’s no one that would know winning character from an observers prospective more than Jackson, in my opinion.

                It’s different from MJ taking charge. I think the greatest coaches make the best execs eg. Pat Riley. Yes you can say he has the big three but even before then, he took a chance on Shaq when most wrote him off… and they won with an inexperienced wade.

                If Jackson surrounds himself with a few brains to do the grunt work, I think he’d be an awesome exec.

          • CJT

            I have to admit I am suprised to learn that you are not a fan of Colangelo. I think it would serve all of us fans better if you wrote a few more articles about the subject. I am however truly suprised that you allow other posters like your friend copywriter to throw personal insults around and don’t threaten to delete those comments. That type of convenient morality certainly calls in to question your impartiality.

            • I delete any comments that have personal insults, whether they agree or disagree with me. Since I’m not sitting by the computer 24/7, sometimes it takes me a while to see them.

              • CJT

                Thanks for the response, I appreciate you can’t be at your computer at all times and that you do your best with that stuff.

            • Copywryter

              Saying that someone is drinking the Kool-Aid is a personal insult?

              Also, how can anyone be a fan of Colangelo? He’s the Mel Lastman of GMs.

              • DumbassKicker

                I had less deleted.

  • RPT23

    Tim W., I’ve read your posts in the past (a couple of years ago I think) when I first joined the Republic. From what I remember, not a lot of people agree with what you believed in and may feel that you insult the team more often than praise them. I myself am a Raptors die-hard fan. Every year, my friends would ask each other, “who do you think is going to win the NBA championship?” knowingly that they needed not to ask me directly because every year, I trust that our faithful GM would strike gold and our team would be the cinderella team and make it to the finals. But sadly, as all of you know, we haven’t even made the playoffs in the past 5 years!

    Anyway, my point is that as a passionate fan of the Raptors (and Blue Jays), even though I don’t agree with most of the things you say, I do appreciate that you keep it real. Sometimes it’s a hard pill to swallow and sometimes the truth does hurt. But regardless, I remain faithful and true to my beliefs that one day, the Raptors will be champions, the same way the Blue Jays became one.

    I continue and still enjoy reading your blogs and posts. Keep up the great work!

    • By “not a lot of people agree with [me]”, you mean some? True. Not everyone agrees with my opinion, but a whole lot of people seemed to feel I spoke for them. There is no consensus, except, I’m guessing, when I claim that Raptor fans deserve better than what they’ve had.

  • pistol

    From Leiweke’s interview on Prime Time Sports today, when talking about the fact that he doesn’t start the job officially until June 30th (well after the decision on Colangelo’s extension would presumably have to happen):

    John Shannon: “Will you have a role in the Bryan Colangelo extension?”

    Leiweke: “I have a role in the Bryan Colangelo RELATIONSHIP, and we’ll see where that goes.”

    Translation: “Bryan, please don’t let the door hit the tails of your finely tailored Italian suit on the way out.”

  • Madrugata

    Absolutely my feelings. Accurate post that captures the feelings of many who have followed the Raptors. BC has not delivered. The team as constituted is a borderline playoff team with no hope of getting by the first round, even if they made the playoffs next year. There is limited upside. And among the fans, limited hope. BC has had ample opportunity to deliver. Would Phil Jackson be a good advisor? Seriously, when you look at our record and our team, something has to change. Thanks Tim W for chanelling the feelings of many.

    • Not a problem. Please pass it on to the other Tim if you happen to bump into him over the next couple of weeks.

  • enlightenment

    I dont think all raptor fans agree with this position.

    A lot of us are actually pro-Colengalo, but we have been the quieter group around these parts, obviously because the evidence is against us. I am not hear to defend his mistakes, rather I would like to point out that I believe that Colengalo is the right mind for the job.

    GM is a job with tons of uncertainties, where some bad GMs may seem awesome, and some good GMs may seem awful.
    Remember, no matter how you think of BC he still got the Exec of the year award. Is that the case of a bad GM being recognized as awesome? Or is he a good GM that seems awful?

    Eitherway, you have to compare BC to the next person in line. How would that person have run the past 7 years? Would he have made bigger mistakes? Less mistakes? Longer mistakes? Who knows. But this feeling of simply wanting to get rid of someone because you are tired of him is unreasonable.

    I respect your opinion as much as anybody elses, and I even grant that the majority of evidence is on your side. I simply wish to see more recognition that yours is only one of many opinions, rather than painting it as an obvious fact that everyone shares.

    • I think there are still people who believe Bargnani will become an All Star, but from what I can tell, the majority of Raptor fans have had enough of Colangelo. Obviously not all, but I would guess it’s a clear majority.

      • enlightenment

        So the point I made of how skewed any judgment of a GM based directly on his mistakes, just went over your head?
        Can you intellectually, honestly, compare my point to Bargnani hitting All-stars?

        Ill give you a single point on why I think judging a GM based on mistakes/successes is false.

        Draft picks, you have no clue if they were smart moves or obvious moves. For instance, what if Bargnani was seen as the most obvious move at the time? Then you draft him. What if he becomes a bust? Nothing to do with the GM. The GM makes decisions based on uncertain predictions of the future, and you have to judge him on his decisions at the time of making the decisions and not in hindsight after it is outside his control.
        Some GMs seem like geniuses for going for the Obvious pick, and having it turn out in favor of them. Does that make them GOOD GMs, or where they lucky BAD GMS?

        This one point can be extended to Free Agency, Coaching decisions, etc.
        These are the argument and dissections I dont see in this article, or in general.. All I am saying is that judging a GM based on his mistakes can be a wildly inaccurate test of a GMs skill.

        • If a GM makes enough decisions that were easily predicted to be mistakes at the time, I think it’s fair to judge him on them.

          Good GMs seem to make a lot more good decisions than bad GMs, and Colangelo seems to have made a lot of bad decisions in his time. I could give you a LOOOOONG answer, with plenty of examples, but I suggest reading several of the previous posts I linked to.

          In the end, if all you judge a GM by is his record, which is what most teams do, then I don’t see how you can say Colangelo has done even a decent job.

          And my point, bringing up Bargnani, is that some people will continue to believe something no matter how much evidence to the contrary there is. And with Colangelo, it’s pretty overwhelming.

          • CJT

            Predictions are easy to make when there is nothing riding on your decisions. To have to make those decisions with all of the factors and real life consequences that accompany them is a different matter completely. A lot of people go “all in” playing internet poker with nothing on the line. Would they be so cavalier if it was their own money?

            • So you’re suggesting that you can’t second guess any moves a GM makes ever, even if you predicted the move was a bad one in the first place? I don’t get that logic. Sorry.

              • enlightenment

                Tim, I claimed that the judgment must be made from the decisions in the present, not in hindsight. So, if you predicted the move was bad in the first place, and had legit points as to why that is, then yes it is a good point to critiscize a GM with.

                Just for you, I will critiscize one of BC’s moves, and that is bringing in J.O. I totally hated the move the moment it was made, and I believe it set us back a few years. It is a mistake I blame purely on BC.

                But someone like Hedo, who came off of a 20 ppg playoff run to the finals, and had an unbelievable year playing with the Magic was the most obvious free agent to grab! BC was able to get his guy (which is a skill he has), and in the present it was a brilliant move.
                But who couldve predicated Hedo was going to become fat, lazy, and simply give up any sense of competitive ‘BALL’?
                Then, BC admitted his mistake IMMEDIATELY, and recovered very well in my opinion. Barbosa was a brilliant steal, seeing how bad Hedo’s contract looked.

                These are the kinds of arguments and points I would appreciate being brought up in your articles Tim.


                • There were loads of decisions I disagreed with at the time. Speaking of which….

                  The Hedo Turkoglu move was most definitely NOT a brilliant move at the time. There were a lot of people who didn’t want him to sign Turkoglu, including me. In fact, I thought the idea of going after a free agent in the summer of 2009 was a bad idea because there were so few half decent free agents available. I wanted him to hold onto Jermaine O’Neal and his contract in order to either trade his expiring contract in the summer or before the trade deadline, or simply have more cap space for the summer of 2010.

                  And who could have predicted Hedo would become fat and lazy? Well, anyone who had followed his career up until then. Hedo had always been a classic underachiever. It’s why Sacramento traded him away in the first place and why San Antonio didn’t re-sign him after one season. You ever wonder why a guy who can shoot, handle the ball, pass and drive only averaged one season that was even close to All Star level?

                  Now, I will admit I didn’t think the signing would work out as badly as it did, and was always trying to look on the bright side, because I still trusted Colangelo, but it’s definitely a move I didn’t agree with.

                  The fact that Colangelo was able to then get rid of Turloglu doesn’t make him a great GM, considering he should have signed Turkoglu in the beginning. I have heard this excuse before, for keeping Colangelo. That he’s able to clean up his mistakes. But the fact he’s MAKING so many mistakes he has to clean up is the problem. If you hire a contractor, and all he’s doing is fixing his own mistakes instead of actually building the house, would you keep him?

              • CJT

                Not at all, and I fully acknowledge that you and many others had predicted correctly on some of the moves that latter proved to be bad moves. I just think it is easier to make those predictions when you have nothing riding on the outcome of them. I also believe that there are so many factors that are considered that the public never knows about that it becomes difficult to truly know the full exent of the decision making process at that level.

                • I do agree that there are always other factors. Being a GM is far more than any of us realize. As for your assertion that it’s easier to make those predictions when you’ve got nothing riding on them, I completely disagree. Take the Turkoglu signing, for example. Colangelo would have had far more information than we do, background and stats, that should have predicted that signing Turkoglu wasn’t going to give the Raptors the 50 wins he predicted. That was ludicrous.

                  Turkoglu had a history of being an underachiever. He was 30 years old and has never kept himself in great shape. He had already shown decline in his game, save for one playoff series against the Lakers. He was a below average defensive player being added to a starting lineup of Calderon, DeRozan, Bosh and Bargnani. Considering what’s riding on this signing, if I’m the one making the decisions, I can’t see myself pulling the trigger on that one.

          • Copywryter

            Otherwise known as cognitive dissonance. The more information you supply, the more they ignore it.

        • Touloose.

          In the end, 7 years is enough time to build a solid contender. End of fact. BC has run his course in TDot, and the current roster isn’t any better than the one he started with.

          • Copywryter

            This is all that needs to be said. He was hired to build a team and failed. Other GMs have been sacked for far less.

          • CJT

            I agree all championship contenders are built in 7 years or less.

            • Copywryter

              Name a GM who’s team hasn’t made the playoffs in 7 years.

              • DumbassKicker

                A lot of simple things fly over your head, eh. The topic you’re responding to is “building a contender” in 7 years, not making the playoffs.

                • Copywryter

                  A: There is no topic.
                  B: Neither has happened, so what’s the difference?
                  C: I’ve seen your kind come and go on this site for years.

              • Interesting fact. Only two other teams in the league currently have as long a playoff drought or longer than Toronto. Minnesota and Sacramento. Kahn started in 2009, so has been on the job 4 years, and reports say he’s on his way out. Geoff Petrie was hired by Sacramento in 1994. In 19 years, the Kings made the playoffs 9 of those years, making it to the 2nd round three times and to the Conference Finals once.

                Colangelo has been on the job 7 years, making the playoffs just twice, and never getting past the first round and hasn’t made the playoffs in five years.

                There is really no one with Colangelo’s record that still has their job.

        • Copywryter

          Seriously? This is just one giant homer apology for a team that has not performed well in any capacity for the last seven years. We are judging the man based on his SUCCESS – which outside of year 1 is NONE!

          He drafts the players, he hires the coaches, he makes the trades. He is the person most responsible for the success of the team.

          • He coddled Bargani as a young player, ramrodding the coach(es) into giving him minutes without effort
          • He continued to build a team around that player, when the rest of the league and many of the fans here had realized could not shoulder the load
          • He failed to put his pride aside and trade Bargs at near-peak value because he knew that doing so would be an admission that he had fouled things up and would threaten his job
          • He traded for or picked up any number of players that were disasters in purple – Hedo, JO, Kapono, James Johnson, Sonny Weems, and on and on. He did a nice job in getting out from under Hedo’s behemoth contract, but that doesn’t erase the first error.
          • Jay Triano
          • He got nothing for Bosh.
          • He gave up a first round pick for a point guard who had bounced from two other teams
          • He built a team that has not made the playoffs since 07.
          • Shawn Marion
          • He took seven years to build a team that may challenge for an 8th seed
          • He pursued Steve Nash, which made no sense, and overpaid Landry Fields, which made no sense.
          • He built a non-playoff team that is near its cap and has no draft pick this year
          • He built a team that really only has one development possibility in JV. Demar might get a little better, but statistically that’s unlikely.
          • He drafted Ed Davis, who did little. Then, when he started to show potential he moved him for a max contract chucker.
          • He drafted an outlier in Terrence Ross (a player not on anyone’s draft radar) when we already had a two guard, instead of the rebounder we needed, and what everyone else said was the logical choice
          • He talked out of both sides of his mouth for seven years. Putting lipstick on various ‘rebuilding’ and ‘accelerated rebuilding’ piggy versions of the Raptors.
          • Instead of being a man and accepting responsibility he shit on the coach during our terrible opening to the year and talked about how it was about effort and not talent.

          Ok. Your turn. Please list all the things he’s done right. I’ll start:

          • Amir
          • Barbosa
          • JV – though he is not a young Dwight Howard, as I’ve seen you suggest in the forums, and ranks below Drummond on the NBA rookie ladder
          • Reggie Evans

    • The Truth

      Those awards don’t mean that much when all is said and done. Mike Brown got a COY gong and then got fired the following year.

      • Copywryter

        Smitch came pretty close to that too.

    • Guy

      Holy shit man…. the last sentence of your posting could not be any more accurate. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen though.

  • Blackjitsu

    You forgot to ask for him to change the name…please.

  • Rick

    If you think colangelo dissapointed wait until the next gm steps in. You people are sadly mistaken. Nice post. But as some said you speak on behalf of yourself. I believe colangelo should get his option picked up. See what the team could do next year. People always fail to realize that this market doesn’t attract any free agents!!!! Only way to actually build a team is to draft which is what he’s done. And hope they don’t leave

    • So you want Colangelo kept on because you’re afraid the next GM will be worse? Why does that make me think of an abused woman who is afraid to leave her boyfriend because the next one could be worse?

    • Touloose

      BC let draft pic Ed Davis go in the trade for Gay. He probably could have bundled an AA, or a JL3, or an AG or something. Ed would have been a solid piece on a good team for years to come. BC doesn’t cut it.

      • DumbassKicker

        lol, and you actually got a couple of likes for this trolling. Yeah, Memphis really wanted AA or JL3, but BC resisted, lmfao

        • Copywryter

          Of course Memphis wanted the most that they could get. BC isn’t stupid, merely incompetent.

    • raptorspoo

      Chicken or egg.

      Who wants to go to a crappy team. Don’t see free agents lining up to go to the Bobcats.

  • Rick

    It doesn’t matter who you bring in toronto. Colangelo has made some stupid moves but also great ones. That’s the price you pay when your a gm trying to make things happen in a market that doesn’t allow you to get great talent coming north of the border. Keep colangelo let him finish his task. Alteast for one he wants to be here! As well as the players and coach.

    • Besides drafting Valanciunas, what “great moves” has he made? I would say having more bad moves than good moves, which is what I would say his record is, is a failure. Although your comment about “at least he wants to be here” tells me a lot. You don’t built contenders with that attitude. You build, well, exactly what the Raptors have been for most of their 17 years. Personally, I have higher aspirations for the team.

    • The Truth

      Whenever someone speaks of Colangelo making a “great move” they are usually referring to the manner in which he managed to unload one of his screw ups for spare parts. So go on, tell us what great moves you think Colangelo has made over the last 7 years?

    • A.C

      Umm what exactly is his task? I’m not sure he even knows his task. During his time as GM i don’t think any of us have really known what he was doing, Raps have never been in full out rebuild mode, we haven’t even been close to contenders and we haven’t even been bad enough to get into the lottery consistently. The problem with the argument about him making great moves as well as bad ones is that his great moves haven’t gotten us anywhere meaningful, hence our 5 year playoff absence.

    • krytha

      The “great moves” are BC somehow managing to undo his huge mistakes. It just proves that good GMs take advantage of BC and BC takes advantage of crazy ones. What does this mean? He is a middle of the pack, mediocre GM, and what we have is a middle of the pack, mediocre team. 7 years and counting,

  • grizzly73

    great post I 100% agree

    BC has had is run. Simply time to give someone else a chance. The AB draft mistake, compounded by the AB resigning, compounded by waiting until too late to trade AB, is 3 strikes and you’re out. Wrecked the franchise for a long time. You draft Aldridge perhaps Bosh stays and we are watching playoffs right now.

    You always always draft the best talent and sort out positions later. We should have Drummond on our roster instead of T Ross who was ranked in the teens for a reason. Drummond is a rebounding beast.

  • Bouncepass

    ….in other words:

    Dear Tim Leiweke,

    Yadda, yadda, yadda…. please fire Colangelo and replace him with whoever will tank next year with the faint hope of sucking bad enough and lucking out to score Wiggins or Parker in the lottery. Even if we don’t succeed in that dubious proposition, frustrated fans who had to pay good money to sit through a horrible tanking season that probably demoralizes JV and whatever decent young players we have will at least feel the catharsis of dumping some players that we don’t like any more… yadda, yadda, yadda.

    Signed, a frustrated long-time fan er, analyst.

    • So, out of the entire column, you focused on ONE SENTENCE that I prefaced with “Maybe”. You really do read what you want to read into things, don’t you?

      • Bouncepass

        Please point out anything in your “open letter” that gave any advice other than “fire Colangelo”, “the current players are no good” and “tank for Parker or Wiggins”. Did you seriously want readers to think that we should ignore the “maybe” sentence when it laid out the plan that you laid out for the Raptors in your previous writing? From an analysis perspective I am not all that interested in the historic “my life as a fan” stuff.

        • There were two main points in my open letter. The first is that Colangelo has done a poor job as GM, and I’ve yet to read even a semi-persuasive argument to the contrary. The second point is that the Raptor fans are a loyal bunch that deserve to be rewarded for their loyalty by being given a much better team. As I said, I wrote one sentence that gave one OPTION for what to do. After reading enough of my writing, do you really think that I WOULDN’T write “You should tank for Wiggins etc” if that’s what I wanted to say?

          • Bouncepass

            So it seems that you agree that I accurately captured the essence of your piece. Fire Colangelo. Tank for Wiggins or Parker. Some long-time Raptors fans like you are frustrated. What I haven’t heard from you is the potential downside of your proposed strategy. The statistical probability of obtaining a great prospect like Wiggins, even if the Raptors tank, is statistically very remote. Each year there are a handful of teams that are awful, and the odds of winning the lottery (or even finishing second) have to be split among them. That’s why they brought in the lottery – to discourage tanking. Statistically, a team in the bottom 3 group has only 20% chance of winning the lottery. As a group, the average probability for any team in the bottom five is 16%. Over the past 27 years the overall probability for a particular team in the bottom three winning the lottery has been 17%. So, even if the Raptors are successful in tanking into the bottom 3 (and remember other teams will be challenging them for this), it is very unlikely that they will end up with Wiggins. Sure, they might end up with another top pick, but history has shown that beyond generational talents like LeBron, it is not easy to predict which top draft prospects are actually going to alter the long-term fortunes of a franchise. So, what is the downside of a failed tanking strategy? First, the fans and the young players on the team have to suffer through another few horrible and demoralizing seasons. This does not enhance their chances of using cap space to sign any good free agents. Try to think of any bottom of the barrel teams that have been able to attract a top free agent. So, the Raptors would be left with a crappy roster, an uncertain prospect or two, and no chance at using cap space to bring in a top-grade free agent. I personally think that Colangelo’s mistake was more related to his inability to understand the importance of developing a winning culture and system. Triano was as much of a mistake as Bargnani. I’m not sure that Casey is the answer, but I think a top grade coach with a great system would be able to make the current roster very effective and dangerous.

            • No, you didn’t capture the essence of the article. The essence of the article is that the Raptors should fire Colangelo and reward the fans for the loyalty. That’s the essence of the article. If you want to debate the merits of tanking. You should have done so in the article I wrote about the subject. This article was not about that, so I’m not going to discuss it here. If you want, I can point you to the articles I wrote so I don’t have to rehash them again.

              • Bouncepass

                I think I did capture the essence of the article. Disillusioned fan. Colangelo must go. Dump this roster. Tank for Wiggins or Parker. What did I miss? Oh, and if you don’t want people to reference your previous articles, maybe you shouldn’t actually link them in the present article. That gives the impression that you want people to read the other articles for an elaboration of your thoughts.

                • Why did you give more weight to my single sentence about tanking being a POSSIBLE solution than my two paragraphs about how loyal the fans were in Toronto or to my full paragraph about Phil Jackson, or to my final note about the fans deserving a shot at a title?

                  I seems to me you WANT to focus on that one point because, maybe you’re looking for an argument? I don’t know. Again, the article wasn’t about tanking. It was about the desire to a) get rid of Colangelo and b) giving the loyal Raptor fans something to really cheer about.

                  If you want to discuss those issues, I’m more than willing.

                • Bouncepass

                  I’ve criticized your blueprint, as outlined in this article and your previous one. Your response has been to suggest that I didn’t read your article, or that I misrepresented it. I’ll let other readers decide, but I think I nailed it when I described the gist of your latest “open letter”. Your “full paragraph” about Phil Jackson basically just said that you had no idea if he would work out, but you’d be willing to try anything. I put that into the “disgruntled loyal fan” and “fire Colangelo” categories, which seems appropriate since you offered no cogent opinion about Jackson. How exactly would a discussion about “giving the loyal Raptor fans something to cheer about” go? Let’s just say “I agree”. That’s hardly an interesting or worthwhile “discussion”. I might agree with “get rid of Colangelo”, but my disagreement with you is: 1) the specific reasons for doing so, and more importantly 2) what a new GM should do. You don’t seem to want to discuss those issues right now. Okay. Maybe I’ll re-engage when you seem more ready to discuss content than accusing posters of not reading or understanding your posts.

                • “Accusing posters of not reading or understanding [my] posts?” Listen. I told you what the two main arguments of my letter were. I simply offered one possibility at the end. That’s all. I was going to follow it with, “Maybe trying to sign or trade for a real franchise player, who knows.” But I decided I’d said enough and didn’t want to start focusing on more stuff like that, so I just ended the letter.

                  You claimed basically asked whether you had understood the essence of the letter, and I said that the tanking part was not what the focus of the letter was about. And for some reason you want to turn this into an argument of WHAT I MEANT. I don’t see the point of that.

                  As I said, I’ve discussed ad nauseum the pros and cons of tanking, and have laid out my arguments in the posts I linked to earlier.

  • Mr Spiel

    Tim the Tank Driver is back with his we should tank until we hit the jackpot spiel. Like always, .he fails to acknowledge the goal is not to win a championship but rather to have a good, profitable product.

    • So, like I said above. You focused on one single sentence out of the entire article, and in the process missed the entire point.

      As for the goal, maybe your goal for the team is to have a good profitable product, but mine isn’t.

    • Copywryter

      We do not have a good product. And if a team’s goal isn’t to win a championship, or at least be in a position to compete for one, then it will never have a good product.

    • A.C

      For the people who oown the Raptors making a profitable team is the goal, I dont care how much money MLSE makes., I want to see the Raptors being contenders one day, not just hoping to making the playoffs year in and year out. I dont think in any of the seasons Conagelo has been here hes had a set plan, we have never really been through a proper rebuild,

  • Statement

    Personally, the one major downside I see to Colangelo’s option being picked up this year is that he could potentially extend Rudy Gay for way too much money. If you can tie his hands, or he assures you that he will resist the urge until Rudy becomes a free agent (in 2 years when he picks up his player option, I think), then that is okay.
    Otherwise, if you pick up his option, you keep continuity in that Casey stays. Recall that the Raps final starting 5 played pretty well together (though God help the team if Lowry or especially Amir gets injured). I feel that continuity is important for the Raptors this year because for the first time since Bosh, we have a great rookie in JV who blossomed at the end of the year appears to be benefitting from Casey’s type of coaching.
    Also, if you fire Colangelo now, it’s going to be pretty close to impossible for the new GM to get rid of of the burdensome contracts on this team in enough time to ensure that the Raps suck enough to have a chance at Wiggins or Parker.
    I don’t know if this is possible….but pick up his option, ride it out this year, go through your GM search and then fire him before Rudy and Bargnani come off the books, so that a new GM can inherit some cap space to work with.

    • I think the downside of extending Gay is a big one. But there’s also the danger of giving Lowry a big extension, too. On one podcast, somewhere, I heard the number $12 million thrown around as a REASONABLE number. So if Colangelo is kept on, and even gives Lowry a $10 million extension, in the 2015 season the Raptors would be paying Gay, DeRozan, Lowry, Fields and Bargnani (who I assume would be kept) $60 million. That’s five players, none of whom is an All Star, and doesn’t include Amir or Valanciunas or obviously anyone else. $60 million for 5 players. And that’s for a probable 42-45 win team.

      • DumbassKicker

        So you know who is or is not going to be an all star 2-3 seasons from now, and what are the probable number of wins for the team. Can I borrow your crystal ball for next weeks lottery?

        • Copywryter

          That’s not what you said last week about Ross and JV, you said that with time they’d be the core of the team. How can you have a team core that aren’t all-stars? Oh, unless it’s a 40-45 win team…..

          • DumbassKicker

            I never said any such thing, but then your shtick is often inventing history.

            • Copywryter

              You’re right, you were talking with certainty about Andre Drummond.

              “Unless there’s a huge improvement on that, and work ethic was one of the big red flags that kept other teams away from him, he won’t have much impact on a good team in the future. Where as we’ll have JV out there in crunch time, as he can actually sink FTs at a high rate. No way will a good team have Drummond out there at “impact” time, based on evidence of his rookie season that you claim validates your opinion that he should have been picked. He could easily end up being a bigger Reggie Evans.”

              Unless that was a different Dumbass.

              • DumbassKicker

                I’m I being too hard on you, when your big problem is understanding basic English? First, you tried to invent stuff that I said about JV and Ross, now you’re quoting a paragraph that the only “certainty” in it is that JV can sink FTs and Drummond is historically bad at it, making him useless to a good team at crunch time unless there’s a hug improvement in the future. No crystal ball needed for that.

  • Amigo

    “I hear that you might be considering Phil Jackson to replace him. I admit, I have no idea whether Jackson would be any good at running a franchise, since he’s got no front office experience. ”

    I m sure Tim W. will be better than Jackson, read this,this and this. But if you don’t have any time to read…………basically Tim W. real name is Nostradamus and he knows it ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

    • Thanks. I appreciate it.

  • EF

    I believe a lot of Bargnani criticism is not fair. Colangelo has drafted wisely and has done a decent job, considering his options. Outside of Rudy Gay and Aldridge, Bargnani is arguably the top player drafted in the 2006 top 10 (perhaps foye?). I authentically feel bad for Andrea. He was a first overall pick instead of 2nd or 3rd. He suffers from failing to meet the expectations of a 1st overall pick. Nevertheless, he was drafted to be the big, outside scoring threat (like nowitzki) and the most appropriate pick for the raptors, considering their roster. Also, why would you pick either of the other two players when you had Bosh and an “up-and-coming” Villanueva (and calderon)? I believe it was a smart pick for that time. Further, the raptors then win 47 games. At this point, a GM probably does not decide to dismantle a competitive roster to move up in the draft (especially considering the strong improvement). Managers of such teams tend to improve by adding missing pieces through free agency and trades. In reality, free agents are not looking to come to toronto, so toronto needs to pay above market to attract talent other teams can get for below market rates. This is sad, but something we need to live with. Not surprisingly, raptors could not sign steve nash last year, because he preferred to play elsewhere. So Colangelo trades a draft pick no higher than 4th in 2013, for a young PG who just averaged 14.4 ppg and 6.6 apg. What is the likelihood that you add a similarly talented player in the draft? (look at the stats of Turkoglu before joining and then propose a realistic alternative for what they gave up). It is not fair to criticise colangelo for simply overpaying for free agents, when that is the only way that toronto has been able to attract or retain them (for example, colangelo stole turkoglu right out from under portland for an extra few million). the big name players added had been integral components of playoff contending teams. these are players a GM probably want to add, if his team has just made the playoffs two years in a row and is seeking to add pieces to improve.

    But this is the past.

    Sure, the raptors may not have a superstar on the current team, but what assurance do you have that you can get one in the draft. Do you propose we sit the raptors starters this year in the hopes that we can draft jabari parker or wiggins? what if they decide to return to college for a second, third or fourth year? What assurance do we have that the raptors would not fall out of the top few draft positions, even if they had the worst record in the nba? Also, what kind of message do you send to your team about building a winning culture if you do not try to put them in a position to win every game? (should they even bother showing up to practise?) The raptors have a strong core at positions 1-5, it is quite formidable offensively and one of the most athletic team in the league. Lowry, Derozan, Gay and Bargnani should all be able to achieve mid to high teens ppg and Valanciunas should continue to improve. this is an excellent core to build around. It is unlikely to win a championship, but it should be able to get us into the playoffs and perhaps, even, a second round. This is to Colangelo’s credit. He has done extremely well, considering his options.

    That being said, I think the raptors should bring in phil jackson, if the opportunity is available. Not because Colangelo deserves to be fired, but because PJ makes a difference in terms of the free agent talent the raptors can attract to improve the team. He has a reputation that is second to none and he is a person so influential that the top stars want to play for him. He can take the strong core Colangelo has put together and improve it.

    Basically, I believe a lot of the criticism directed towards colangelo is undeserved. One should not simply focus on what has happened and criticize those decisions. Instead, they should be viewed in the context of hte options available. In this light, Colangelo has done a very good job. However, PJ is an opportunity that is hard to pass on, if it presents itself. Although, I would prefer to see a situation where they are both in toronto.

    Lastly, I may not agree with all of your views, but I enjoy reading them. Keep up the good work.

    • I thought Bargnani was a poor choice then and now. Was Bargnani really a better choice to play with Bosh than Aldridge? I don’t see it. Aldridge was a better rebounder and defensive player than Bargnani. You don’t draft a big man who can’t rebound or play defense and expect that will change.

      And the fact that Colangelo went after a 38 year old Nash to try and add to a lottery team is one more piece of evidence that he needs to go.

      • EF

        Bargnani was not drafted to be a big rebounder or play strong defense. Colangelo was coming from PHO where they played little defense and were quite successful. He attempted to implement a similar system in toronto.
        Bargnani was drafted to score and open up the offense for Bosh. He has been a fairly consistent scorer in the NBA.

        I used Nash as an example of free agents not wanting to come to toronto. However, he is obviously very talented and the Lakers believe he has three good years ahead of him and are paying close to 30 million. Also, this is simply a difference of opinion regarding strategy. It seems you believe that Colangelo should rely on obtaining a superstar via the draft (low probability event), whereas Colangelo tries to add different pieces to construct a competitive team (higher probability event). I do not believe this was an unwise decision.

        • If you drafted a big man not to rebound or play defense and expect to win with a team that doesn’t play defense, then that’s pretty damning evidence that you need to be replaced at GM.

          As for Nash, I don’t see how signing a 38 year old PG to a massive contract is a way to make the team competitive. I just see that as a huge waste of money, which has become normal for the Colangelo regime.

          I also would aim for something higher than simply competitive.

          • EF

            This is not necessarily true. PHO was one of the worst defensive/rebounding teams in the league between 04/05 and 07/08 and won between 54 to 62 games each season over that period, because they scored more than their opponents (a team that colangelo built).

            This was not the point I was trying to make. I mentioned Nash as an example of top free agents not coming to Toronto (the raptors offered more than LA…). Nevertheless, there were clear benefits- for improving the PG position and making the team a little more exciting / having a HoFame player as a fan attraction. I personally prefer Lowry for a young team and for the price paid, but simply disagreeing with the Nash effort is insufficient. It needs to be evaluated in context of the options available to improve the team.

            Most fans and management want their team to win a championship (as do I). But I prefer a team built to compete every night (with a good chance to win against the top teams in the NBA) and an exciting product on the floor, to a team designed to lose 82 games in the hopes of finding the one player that appears once in every 4 or 5 drafts who can transform a team into a championship franchise (and then wait a few seasons to build a supporting cast… and then hope he doesn’t bolt to MIA…). I think most GM’s operate from a point of view closer to mine.

            • I was always critical of those Phoenix teams and never felt they had a legitimate chance to win a title because of their poor defense (although they did come close the year the Spurs beat them in the WCF). I always had questioned Colangelo’s team building strategy because he seemed to ignore the fact that no team had ever won a title that wasn’t very good defensively.

              I understand wanting to see a competitive team, but I’d rather have a team losing but have reason to hope that they are on the right track, than to watch a perennial 7-8 seed lose year after year knowing they are most likely not going any farther. There are a lot of fans that would be happy with a Joe Johnson-lead Atlanta Hawks team, but I’m not one. I never thought that team ever had a chance at being a real contender and said year after year they should blow it up and start again.

              I do disagree that elite players come around only once in every four or five drafts. In the last draft, Anthony Davis I think will end up becoming an elite player. Kyrie Irving, from 2011, is already close to that. The year before that was John Wall, who is looking like the elite player most predicted. And Paul George is looking like that, now, as well. The year before that was Blake Griffin (who I actually think is overrated, but is still a perennial All Star), as well as James Harden and Stephen Curry, and I think Ricky Rubio will end up being an elite player. That’s 8 players in just 4 years. All who I should become perennial All Stars and all who I’d MUCH rather have being the cornerstone of the Raptors than Rudy Gay.

              • EF

                I did not believe they were a championship caliber team, but they were competitive and exciting and were not that many pieces away from competing for a title. But they serve as a good example of a team that is able to win without playing defense and there are others. Therefore, drafting Bargnani, who can’t rebound or defend at a high level, does not make it a bad decision. Winning a championship is not the only measure by which we evaluate success. If that were the case, 29 coaches/GM’s are unsuccessful in any given year and there are only 5 successful coaches in the last decade.

                That’s fair, but this is your personal preference.

                I think most drafts produce one or two all stars, but not franchise transforming talents. You mention 8 very talented players who will probably be competitive for all-star game selections. However, I am referring to the few players that rise above them. These are players that do not get evaluated in light of their contemporaries, but force analysts to look back into history to find players against whom their abilities can be compared. In the last 20 years, with the exception of possibly three teams, every single nba championship winner had such a player. Waiting for one is not a viable strategy, it’s simply gambling.

                • Whether or not you WIN a title, the goal of any franchise should be to win a title. And to do that, you don’t ignore all of NBA history and assume that you don’t need to be a great defensive team to win a title. In the 40 years since they’ve been tracking team defenses, only one team wasn’t in the top 5 defensively, the Mavericks, who were 8th. And they featured one of the best defensive players in the league.

                  No matter how you look at it, drafting Bargnani was a bad decision then and now.

                  Of the 8 players I mentioned, more than half will most likely be on the All NBA 1st or 2nd team during their career. And you’re not going to even hope to contend for a title without one. Whether it’s a viable strategy or not, it’s really the only strategy you’ve got. Otherwise, you’re just fodder for the rest of the league. And I don’t think that’s a very viable strategy.

    • Copywryter

      A GM who has not made the playoffs in 7 years and has constructed a team with a low ceiling, max cap and no picks and little wiggle room has not done a good job. This cannot be argued.

      I actually agree with you on the Bargs pick. It was probably the right one at the time, the draft was weak and hindsight is 20/20. But his coddling of said pick and failure to accept that he was not even close to a franchise player after 3 seasons has played out disastrously for this organization.

      The Raptors do not have a strong core at positions 1-5. If they did, they would have made the playoffs. No team with 5 solid starters misses the playoffs. Milwaukee – a team with midgets in the front court and the devastating triumvirate of Dunleavy, Reddick and Delfino – made the playoffs. I dismiss Milwaukee the same way the rest of the league dismisses the Raptors. Except for SANDERS! of course.

      “it should be able to get us into the playoffs and perhaps, even, a second round. This is to Colangelo’s credit.”

      A team that can only get us into the (hypothetical) second round is not something to cheer for. It is the fat, bitchy wife that you settled for because you couldn’t do better. It is something to watch fail, and wonder when the rebuild will start.

      Colangelo has had seven years to make decisions. They have been poor decisions. With the Gay signing he has fallen victim to the moral hazard of his profession and looked to save his job over the interests of the team.

      • DumbassKicker

        7 years-wrong,,,,,, Delfino-wrong….. getting basic facts wrong gives one an idea of what your opinion of a GMs efforts are worth.

        • Copywryter

          You’re right about Delfino. he just missed that shot against OKC and was in my mind.

          Do you ever provide anything of value here?

          Please feel free to list the reasons why you think Colangelo deserves an extension. You’ll get the replies you usually get here, which is that you don’t know anything about basketball.

  • Fernandez

    ‘If you need more evidence, please read this, this and this.’

    more evidence of what? of what YOU think? you linked three articles written by YOURSELF!? wow are you that delusional

    I’m sure mr Leiweke doesn’t need that ‘evidence’ to make a decision

    • I had already outlined several arguments of why Colangelo should not be brought back, and as I was writing the article quickly, I thought I would simply link to them. If you want to debate any content of what I wrote, rather than just bash one sentence, please feel free.

      • Fernandez

        you answered the same way to others regarding different ‘one sentences’, you see…

        btw articles are made of sentences, and the one I commented tells a lot about the writer. Unfortunately.

        • My point is that you’re trying to rip the argument without actually talking about the content of that article.

          • Fernandez

            I’m not ripping any argument. It is very clear to me that this team needs a new direction and hopefully mr Leiweke can find the right one.

            Writing an open letter to new CEO as a fan is one thing. Pointing your personal OPINIONS as a fan as EVIDENCE is just delusional.

            I wonder which organizations in the NBA meet the Tim W. standard at this point, let me guess San Antonio? San Antonio jr (OKC)? Or maybe Miami?

            Do you think Brooklyn,Lakers or NY management – among others – don’t know what they’re doing wrong? they sure do, but this is the NBA and stupid as it mays sounds teams HAVE to look at lots of things, and winning games is ‘only’ one of them.

            You think tanking is an exact science? look at Charlotte. Sure next draft will be great. Just like every year. I remember many people last year who thought we should tank so we could have a chance to pick Shabazz. The guy was next Kobe according to the hype machine that is HS basketball. Now? Not much.

            Unfortunately running an NBA team is a little more articulated than you seem to suggest. And hopefully mr Leiweke can put things together and make Toronto a successful club. Basing on different EVIDENCE than three articles written by one fan.

  • davidc

    The Raptors could gel into an exciting team to watch next year. Your incessant negativity and lecturing of readers has become tiresome.

    • It’s certainly getting reactions, though. Thanks for the comment.

    • krytha

      They could. Or they could also just be as mediocre as any other team BC has sold the fans on.

  • Copywryter

    I think the majority of the ‘Tim is wrong’ crowd have sport-specific amnesia, because they seem to forget the stink this franchise has emanated year after year after year. All the shiny promises and terrible signings. The Bargani saga. The ‘young gunz’. Any other city would not put up with this garbage.

    • Bouncepass

      I agree that Colangelo’s record and performance are not acceptable, but I disagree with Tim W and some others about the specifics and the solution. I think that his greatest deficiency has been in not bringing in a consistent winning coach with a winning system. Talent matters in the NBA, but so does a great system and a great coach. A good coach would be able to make this group of players dangerous and effective. Maybe Casey will develop into that. I’d rather have Phil Jackson as a coach than Pres and GM.

      • krytha

        So then how does that fit with Colangelo’s selection of coaches? And once you have that elite coach, is our current mob going to outduel other teams which have elite coaches AND elite talent? I say no. This team needs a reboot.

      • Copywryter

        My biggest issue is with Bargs. Not the pick itself, because it was a weak draft and he made a choice that was fashionable at the time (floor stretching bigs), but because Bargs was coddled and indulged – and when it became clear that he was not going to evolve/grow as a player and absolutely could not carry a franchise, Colangelo gave him a big contract that he refused to trade until well after any value it had had passed.

        This tells me everything I need to know about the man. He chose his job over the interests of the franchise.

  • GoingBig

    When it comes to draft picks, when BCo chooses I expect an average record – just too much luck in draft choosing
    The ultimate reason for BCO gots to go
    – Zero cap room for any chance to improve. If he gets fired today, the next GM could do next to nothing to improve this team until the season after the next. The new GM Phil Jackson will be looking under couch cushions for any small bits of talent.
    This is an accumulatation of all of BCo’s faults
    – overpaying for any crap in shoes
    – locking in under-achievers at inflated prices that cripple over the long-term
    – paying for any piece on the floor without looking to cohesiveness. He does not “assemble” a team. He pulls bits out of a bag and tosses them to the coach and players to make it work. When Gay arrived, it was like a reset
    – draft picks always disappearing in trades

  • Mojo Rising

    This team has promise to be better, but not better than average.

    If this means trading Gay instead of extending him, trading Lowry, DeRozen maybe, dumping Bargs and Kleiza somehow amassing draft picks…I would be willing to watch a weaker team for the next few years if they draft the right young pieces to build with.

    Goodbye Calangelo, and good luck to you in the future.

  • Michel G

    You’re a good writer Tim, but your rhetoric is tedious. The Raptors will not tank. The chance for that has come and gone. Maybe talk about what management needs to do to improve the team with the core of players they already have. Who they should target in free agency? etc.

    • Why are some people focusing so much on one single comment I made that I prefaced with a “maybe”, as in here is one option.

      • Michel G

        You’ve seemed to have written a number of articles on how the Raptors should proceed if they were to do it right, and tanking seemed to have been the central theme. If I’m wrong, I take it back.

        I wish there were less articles on the incompetence of Raptors’ management. We all know they’ve made mistakes, but they’re not as incompetent as every one constantly write about. The rebuild, like it or not, is finished. It doesn’t matter if they fire Colangelo. The players he’s acquired aren’t going anywhere. We have a core of six to seven players that we can move forward with. Deal with the Andrea situation and hopefully make the playoffs next year.

        • I’ve not hidden my opinion that I feel the best course of action for the Raptors should be to tank for the 2014 season, but that’s not what this article was about. There are several people who are focusing less on the actual article, and more on my body of work, which they obviously have their own opinions about.

          One thing is that Leiweke would not control what the GM did. He’s said as much. So my one rather throwaway comment is really inconsequential.

          As for the number of articles about the incompetence of the Raptors’ management, there’s obviously a reason for it. There are a whole lot of fans who don’t feel the roster Colangelo has is worth keeping. If Leiweke brings in a new GM, my guess is he’ll be given the power to be able to gut the team, if he feels that’s necessary.

          • DumbassKicker

            When you spend half your “article” ranting about your entire history of being a fan of the team, the door is open for others to talk about their view of your history.

            • Guy

              Bingo !!!!

  • studiogame

    I’m with Tim W., who else? How gift wrapped do we want this serious threat to an NBA championship named Wiggins?… he’s Canadian Raps fans… that is ***knock on wood*** barring serious injury, character implosion or laziness.

  • KC

    wow u seem to be getting lots of heat for this. just wanna say as a long suffering raps fan like you, i 100% support you. i’m not sure why no one else in the media hasn’t come out strong against BC. he’s had his chance and sadly it didn’t work. now it’s time for someone else to give it a go… surely that’s reasonable

  • Wiley

    Does anyone know whether Toronto will have a second round pick this year? We’re in need of a decent back up point guard (considering we’ll have to ship off Telfaire and/or Lucas this offseason) and apparently Steph Curry’s little brother Seth Curry is expected to go second round or even un-drafted simply because he is a senior even though he averaged 17ppg this season. If we have a second round pick and that guy is available I would draft him, that would be the biggest steal ever. The guy is 6’2″ with handles and is a dead-eye shooter.

    • At this point, the Raptors have no draft pick this year, including a second round pick.

  • Rick

    The raptors flat out need to bring by back. Tim w. it’s kit about an abuse woman being afraid to move on. It’s about exercising what he’s done and trying to finish his contract. I agree of p Jackson is onward make the move. But that’s not happening.

  • Jamshid

    Who has decided to let Tim Write for R.R ? It is a shame !!!

  • Jamshid

    LOOOOL at this whole Article. I think it belongs to forum section and not the main page.

  • Brandon

    Hear hear!

    But Tim, a while back you were calling Derozan “great”, and suggesting he could be a future all-star, while I was saying he was a fungible, interchangeable part. Now, I guess, you’ve backed off your original view.

    • No, I’ve never, ever called DeRozan great. Ever. After DeRozan’s first and second season, I did say he had the potential to possibly be an All Star one day, but he simply hasn’t developed like I thought he would. I’ve fully admitted that I supported Colangelo drafting DeRozan because I liked his potential, and I don’t see how you could argue it was a bad pick, considering who was ranked where. Upon review of the pick, though, I’m not sure I’d do it again under the same circumstances because of how few previous examples there were of players as raw as DeRozan was when he was drafted being able to make the leaps in development that would be necessary to fulfill his potential.

      When Bosh was still with the team, there was some discussions about whether the Raptors should try and trade DeRozan (and others) for Iguodala and I said the Raptors would have to be stupid not to do the deal if they could. My argument was basically that Iguodala was as good as you could hope DeRozan would ever be.

      • DumbassKicker

        argh, you make it hard to not insult

      • Brandon

        Well, I won’t argue since I can’t find the forum post now. I do think we agree now, although I think you can tell in a player’s first 2 seasons what you’ve got, and no more information is needed.

        I think BC should have been fired before he could give Bargnani that extension. That extension, like Derozan’s, was a political move BC had to make — these were his draft picks. Just as surely as a new GM would have gotten rid of them. The Raptors would be much better off had Bargnani simply been allowed to go somewhere else for nothing.

        • I agree to a point about knowing how good a player will be after his first couple of seasons, but I think a lot is dependant on how many minutes he plays and what position he plays. I think by his second season, I realized borderline All Star was DeRozan’s absolute ceiling, and even then I think I was being too optimistic, probably because I was focusing on his work ethic rather than his lack of skills.

          It was similar with Colangelo. Despite disagreeing with the vast majority of his moves, I still supported him because I WANTED him to be successful.

  • Andre

    Wow Tim, ppl are going HAM over your open letter! LOL. BC needs to go. No other GM other then Joe Dumars has been allowed this much time to “rebuild” (And joe won a ring) so BC NEEDS to go.

  • Slap Dog Hoops

    This jackass does not know what he is talking about either like all the other jackasses in Toronto.