Charlotte Bobcats 104 FinalRecap | Box Score 102 Toronto Raptors
Amir Johnson, PF Shot Chart 40 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 13 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 10 PTS | -9All over the glass. Made a big target rolling for Vasquez to hit with a pass. No threes. Set the perfect pick on Kemba Walker to get Kyle Lowry wide open for the game-tying three. He deserved more than 8 shots, but you wont hear him complain. I really have nothing else to say. Amir just plays his position the way it should be played.
Jonas Valanciunas, C Shot Chart 23 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 10 PTS | -2Here’s an idea: take your promising sophomore, whisper things like “franchise player” in his ear, and don’t give him minutes when it matters. Seriously, he sat from the 5:31 mark in the 3rd till overtime, then was just thrown out there cold. What is f****** going on here? Really? He started the game playing very big banging with Jefferson in the post, but yea, he got Casied and saw sparing/sparse minutes. Way to develop talent.
Kyle Lowry, PG Shot Chart 41 MIN | 6-14 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 6 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 5 TO | 17 PTS | -11I want to call him Buckets from now on. That was a stone cold three to send the game into overtime. Pulled down a couple very timely offensive rebounds, distributed the ball. The Raptors need to trade him ASAP if this tank is going to work. Score would be higher, but Kemba really took advantage of him all game. I said in my pre-game that the key match-up would be the point, and Kemba won that by himself.
DeMar DeRozan, SG Shot Chart 41 MIN | 11-26 FG | 8-10 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 3 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 30 PTS | -1The offensive was there: 30 points on 26 shots. The defense was there: 3 steals including a big one on Kemba to send the game into overtime. Whenever he put it in his head to take the ball to the rim, he did it. His off-the-ball movement was world class. The Bobcats couldn’t contain him, and rightfully so, he’s a tough cover. That missed foul shot wasn’t on you. I mean, you missed it, but you did your share tonight.
Terrence Ross, SG Shot Chart 24 MIN | 2-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +1There was a few minutes at the start of the 2nd half where he hit a three in transition, and played tough defense on Henderson, but man, that was his worst game since the Gay trade.
Tyler Hansbrough, PF Shot Chart 19 MIN | 3-4 FG | 0-2 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | +5Had a ridiculous block on Zeller in the 2nd quarter, and played hard despite looking like he’s not fully recovered. Have to appreciate that warrior mentality.
Patrick Patterson, PF Shot Chart 24 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -4Did what was expected, but 17 of his 24 minutes should have went to Jonas. Why didn’t those minutes go to someone who will be here long term? Why, Jesus?
John Salmons, SF Shot Chart 25 MIN | 3-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | +3As much as I don’t like Salmons, he makes good decisions, and hits his shots. I was uber comfortable with him
Greivis Vasquez, PG Shot Chart 29 MIN | 4-15 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 8 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 9 PTS | +84-15 totally negates the 8 assists. I like his game, I like that he looks for the pass first, but his shot selection was Gay-levels tonight. Not only were the shots bad, the timing was worse.
Dwane Casey
Garbage. Stop. I know what you’re going to say: “at least he got the team to foul tonight!” Stop. Just, stop it. If he didn’t make that call, he wouldn’t have made it out of the ACC alive. That call was made out of fear, not good coaching or learning. Straight fear. He cost the Raptors the game in the 3rd when his unwillingness to call a timeout to stem a slow Bobcats comeback erased a 16 point Raptor lead. I hate Casey.

Four Things We Saw

  1. What did we see? We saw Kemba Walker, whom many Raptors fans wanted to draft (I was 50/50 on Walker and Kawhi), murder this team. He has taken the Raptor Killer mantle from Jamal Crawford.
  2. When the Raptors attacked the paint off the dribble, or cut to the basket without the ball, good things happened. We saw this with DeRozan over and over, but what killed them from the middle of the 3rd quarter onwrads was the stagnant, iso-ball on the perimeter. The Bobcats closed out on the Raptor shooters with military precision every time. It was a beautiful thing to watch, if you weren’t a Raptors. Otherwise it was a crappy thing to watch; you had to respect it, though.
  3. The only person to play less than Ross and Valanciunas was an injured Hansbrough. What exactly are we doing here? Why do these kids log 23 and 24 minutes in a game that goes to overtime? Ross I get, he was having an off game, but in a game that saw the Raptors dominate the pain on both ends, which also saw Jonas giving the Bobcats front court great difficulty, he gets 24 minutes.
  4. Expect Lowry to be traded soon; without him, the Raptors don’t keep this game this close. Masai was sweating.

  • FREEJV

    lol how is Derozan getting an A …….

    • FREEJV

      my grandma could score 30 if she took 26 shots and 10 fts lmao

      • FREEJV

        look at all the butthurt raptor fans disliking my comments lmao #canthandlethetruth

      • Alex Vostrikov

        and my grandma could tie up a brick to casey neck, and throw him into Ontario lake.

      • WhiteVegas

        You think they just give you FT’s? Getting to the line 10 times is extremely difficult.

  • AB4EYE

    The fact we lost to a team who played Josh McRoberts a game high 44:17 and now a 0-2 record against the Bobcats should be enough for everyone to embrace the tank.

    It didn’t work but between now and the deadline I would like to see us go with the start of OT lineup with John Salmons moving into the starting SF role while moving Ross back to the bench and then let the second unit run and gun since T-Ross and the 3 other bench guys are best suited for that up tempo style. Plus that would also allow us to showcase Salmons for another trade to a contender. Terrence was great vs Philly but has been bad overall in the starting 5 so far.

    Kyle Lowry is starting to mix in some bad games of late we may need to hurry up and pull the trigger on the best possible offer before he gets hurt or his value takes a hit and Vasquez needs to play his game and not fall in love with shooting, he thinks he can score and maybe he can but his money is going to be made with his passing game.

    Casey needs to get over his Kentucky love affair with towards Patterson and scale back that PT some, dude is getting in everyones way making sure rebounds for us difficult at least 3 times he knocked a sure board out of one of our guys hands. No real justifiable reason why Valanciunas and Hansbrough are 3rd and 4th in big man PT and last and next to last in total PT even with JV playing most of OT. One is the future and the other needs to be getting as much time to up trade value as possible for an assets which will be part of the future. Once we make our trades and thin out the PF depth PP can get his big PT nights but unless we plan on moving him we need to play guys who we can move to get better. Casey talked up a Chuck Hayes and Hansbrough hard-ass front court but didn’t see one second of if tonight even with Chuck dressed.

  • Tanks-a-lot

    Those were some greasy bricks

  • moe

    still happy with jonas over kemba, he is a great offenseive talent but good centers are hard to find and we might have one in JV but is too early. side note, walker takes 15.6 shots to get 17.5 points and shoots only .402

    • Yoshi

      Free throws/three account for the remainder of his points/shooting percentage

  • rtzyyz

    JV: coach I go in now?
    DC: it’s to early to go in to the locker room, game isn’t over yet.
    JV: I mean in the game
    DC: why? Go sit on the bench, Landry will show you how its done.
    JV: Coach, I think I can score 30 points too if I got 26 shots and 10 foul shots/
    DC: hahahahah 30 shots hahahahaha go sit for another 5 minutes just for thinking that
    Okay now Terrence, I would like you to meet Alan Ander….I mean John Salmons, he will be taking your minutes…now go sit beside Jonas so you can watch and learn. Hahahaha 30 shots…that guy jonas kills me…

    #firecasey

    • Alex Vostrikov

      late evening, casey receives an email from grandma.
      grandma: dwane, I hope you put your act together, and stop spending all your hard earned money on that “fairy tale, peter pan, magic powder”. soon you will lose your job, and will have to land to the ground. just to remind you, I heared none of the fired Toronto coaches got another gig again.

      • rtzyyz

        hahaha…

    • rtzyyz

      (DC goes back to the huddle laughing hysterically)
      DD: coach, whats so funny?
      DC: you shoulda heard what Jonas just said, its hillarious.
      LF: Coach, we are down by 3 with 12 sec to go what should we do?
      DC: Landry, who told you to get up from your seat? go show the young guys how its done…now, lets give the ball to Rudy and…
      LF: Rudy’s been traded to Sacramento…
      DC: WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE?!?!?! Tyler, knee him in the groin, then go sit on the bench and think why you went to UNC and not Kentuky… ok…ummmm…where’s my playbook?

  • #TankNation

    Are you kidding me Sam? An ‘F’ for Casey? The man deserves a fricking ‘A+’ for his prowess as the tank commander.

  • Stahmenah

    I said it time and time again. Since his first year. Casey sucks and needs to go. I started a post today visible yet about the way we train our rookies. Why tank for top prospects if we are going to do the same as every other year. Leave them on the bench. I am getting sick of watching the Raps. Man, all these years and it’s like Groundhog day every year! Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • FREEJV

      dont worry George Karl is coming next year :)

      • FLUXLAND

        Are you aware of his record in the playoffs? 1st round exits, here we come!!

        • FREEJV

          whats caseys in playoffs again? o.O

  • truth be told

    One thing about JV. Yes, Casey doesn’t play him enough, however when you make critical errors, like the one at the end of the game (where Lowry was picked but JV switched off way too late to help out on Kemba, who was taking an open jumper towards the left baseline), the coach can point to those mental errors. The kid needs to recognize that game/time situation.

    Casey (or maybe it was Nurse) also drew up a good play to get Lowry the game tying 3.

    • FREEJV

      bro the guy sat out the whole half and got put in last 2 minutes when he was cold so he was slow getting out cuz his rhythm was off when he got put in blame Casey for that not JV

      • jonns

        Spot on! Even the lowly announcers agreed

      • byebyeCasey

        Even when Raps win, it’s despite of the terrible coaching. Casey

      • Tanks-a-lot

        I thought Casey was being a normal coach and matching JV with Jefferson down the stretch. It didn’t happen
        JV wasn’t in foul trouble either so not putting him in in the 4th was stupid.

      • FLUXLAND

        Cold? Please spare me. The guy is how old? Did his brain go cold too?

        • FREEJV

          obviously you ve never played basketball or never stood up off the bench lmao

    • Alex Vostrikov

      the kid needs playing time… in good and bad situations. how the hell you supposed to learn, and more important feel comfortable, when all you think about is not to make a mistake or you are out.
      and casey is an idiot. he lost the game way before that final shot in regulations. ok, screw the wins, I get it. but why on earth rental player, gets more time than future core?
      oh, I get it, next year we will try them out… and there goes one more year of “sorry and buts”.
      question to you “truth to be told”….
      can you perform when some one is constantly trying to get your squidgy out of your hands???

    • TheSpiceTyrant

      No. Not JVs fault: did you see Jefferson? JV had left him open and ran at him. Pick your poison. The problem was off the screen and the fact that someone should have anticipated a screen to get Kemba open. I put that on defensive coaching.

      And speaking of screens: where the hell were they in the 4th quarter when the raps just started jacking shots? No set screens nor plays? At least give someone a clean look? Moving the ball is fun but futile if bodies aren’t moving.

      • Dr. Scooby

        You’re right. The guards jacked 2/3 of the shots the Raps took and made only 38% of them…a lot of those shots in the 2nd half were looong 2 pointers.

      • sleepz

        Casey postgame regarding JV

        “He switched too late.”

        When I watched the replay to see what really happened, he did switch over too late

  • rtzyyz

    If the raptors do draft Wiggins and Casey is still here, expect Wiggins to park himself on the bench right between Jonas and Ross.

    #firecasey

    • consmap

      “So Coach, why did Andrew not see any action in the 4th quarter?”
      “I felt that John Salmons’ experience was needed most in that situation.”

      • rtzyyz

        “plus, you know, he didn’t go to Kentucky, he went to Kansas and we need more Kentucky guys on the court in crunch time”

      • tweed8

        DC: “Plus we need to see more consistency from Andrew.”
        – “But coach, don’t you think consistent minutes might help with develop consistent play?”
        DC: “…Who said that!? Don’t make me break my foot off in your @$$!”

    • FREEJV

      joel Embiid is better him and JV would cause havoc in the paint. most teams dont even have one post up player let alone two so we will see.

  • AB4EYE

    Anyone see Bargnani almost cost the Knicks a win after he shot a 3 with just under 15 seconds left in OT up 2 and the shot clock off right after they got an offensive rebound?

    Nobody was 10 feet from him he could have dribbled back from the line and almost killed the whole clock but he jacked it up as soon as he got it and bricked, then the Bucks tied it on a tip back with 0.3 on the clock to send it to a second OT but lucky for him NY was able to pull it out.

    • FREEJV

      yea i saw that i wish he was on our team so he could lead the tank along with casey :/

      • cesco

        Andrea was a +16 and 10 rebs , both stats top on the team . That play was a huge brain fart allright .

        • jjdynomite

          Cesco shouldn’t you be posting on the Knicks board? Remind me again how are the Knicks doing with the Italian stallion as their second option?

          • cesco

            They missed the real (American) stallion for 20 of the 25 games they played and their second option (JR Smith) is playing like shit .

  • FREEJV

    There was a report on hoopsworld today that says we re trying hard to trade lowry and derozan looks like their days are numbered #tanking

    • Rick

      Yup toronto fans wanting losing team instead of trying to win!

      • SR

        Your right, why trade these guys away? Real fans want a winning team, just like tonight. Wait a minute…

        • sleepz

          +1

      • FREEJV

        what exactly are we winning this year even if we get 8th seed… lmao

  • FREEJV

    here we come Joel Embiid. him n jonas will dominate in the paint

  • TheSpiceTyrant

    I put this loss at a few things:
    1. The raps shots just we’re not falling today. Just a bad night.
    2. Cats defence was very good. Particularly effective for teams (like the raps) who don’t have many off the ball screens.
    3. Our off the ball movement was lethargic in the 3-4th quarters, which tells me something about the lack of good play calls. There’s not gonna be a lot of ‘chemistry’ brewing for these guys… Yet. And until such time, have more set plays.
    (In addition to systemic issues)

    • rtzyyz

      4. Casey sucks and once again was out coached.

      • TheSpiceTyrant

        “Systemic issues”

    • TheSpiceTyrant

      I should have added that both Kemba Walker and Jefferson played hard and well. Kemba has titanium testicles.

  • arsenalist

    I’m not being facetious here, I really am not, but maybe someone can explain to me, rationally, why Jonas Valanciunas did not play for close to 18 minutes of consecutive game time including the entire fourth quarter. Thanks.

    • Dr. Scooby

      I wasn’t watching the score when JV went out in the 3rd, but I believe the Raps were in the lead, no?

      What’s the term being used..Stealth Tank?..no, that’s not it…

      • arsenalist

        Oh man….this isn’t stealth at all.

    • DDayLewis

      Casey was saving him for double OT

  • ad

    LOL at those people on this forum that thought this team/roster could get 4th place after beating CHI and PHI.

    • ad

      #TANKNATION

  • Phat AlberG

    I don’t understand this coach, I don’t understand how this guy has NBA job. Because personally I thought JV was playing tough on the blocks, but I personally think the Raptors need to run the offence through him (but hey what do I know). I have no idea why JV sat for whole 4th, I’m watching game in shock and talking to my self like crazy person. Raptors need to make one more move, and its time let this guy go. He is the Rudy Gay of coaches, his decisions always cost the Raptors. I can honestly say I never seen coach Casey win a game on his decisions, but I’ve see Raptors lose whole bunch because of his decision making. The reason I dislike him as coach because his pussy, he coaches scared. This is the NBA you need coach who commands and demands respect, if we had real coach he would got T’ UP or at least kick out this game. You can’t let ref’s take over the game, they were 2 plays I couldn’t believe he didn’t defended his players. The Patterson loose ball foul, & the Kemba Walker travel in the last 2 mins of the game. He never ever sticks up for his players, If I’m feeling frustrated I wonder they’re feeling. I’m not apologizing for calling him a kitten, but this getting pretty dumb now.

    #BringBackButchCarter

  • craptor

    I hope this game really showed those people who thought sneaking into the playoffs and becoming first round fodder is more beneficial than getting a top pick in this upcoming draft. Amongst some, there was so much delusional false hope that this roster, after the RG trade and winning 3/4, that it can amount to much.

    Those 3 wins: Lakers, a rusty Kobe’s first game back. Also the Raps first game after the RG trade, they may have been under-manned, but clearly glad he was shipped out. Mark down Jan 19th, I’m sure Kobe did, revenge game and another Raptors L.
    76ers, at home against a team that is actually worst than the Raps and a team that was clearly tanking even before the season started. If they had lost that game, the anti-tankers would’ve been on mass suicide alert.
    Bulls, wow an impressive road win… Muahahahaha.. Really??? Those Bulls without DRose and a depleted line up??? Losers of 9 of their last 12 up to that point, the same ones that lost on their home floor to the Mighty Bucks of Milwaukee and Orlando Tragic???

    This game was looking like a possible W, catching the Bobcats at home on a the second half of their b2b while the Raps were well rested. Raps even take a huge lead in the early 3rd quarter. Luckily for the tank, they woke up and played some good olde Raptors ball. The Bobcats also showed why they’ve had the better record this year; they can clamp down on D.

    Perhaps now the anti-tankers can take off their blinders and see what this current roster for what they’re truly for. Normally, I am not in favor of tanking; losing to take a shot at the likes of Nerlens Noel, Anthony Bennett et al? No thanks. However, I haven’t been this excited for a draft since 2003!!! There is a windfall of generational talent, if the Raps are going to be first round fodder at best this year, then I prefer the alternative, and have a crack at the said wealth of generational talent. The only people I do kinda feel sorry for are the seasons tickets holders, having already paid hard earned dollars for a losing product. Then again, most of them knew this was the roster going into the season, and probably should’ve stayed away and send MLSE a long deserved message from Raptor fans; this ain’t the f@cking Leafs, we won’t pay for a shitty product year after year!!! Don’t worry about a mass of empty seats at the ACC for a season or two, the team won’t fold or move. MLSE won’t hurt that much either, they’ve got plenty of stashes from gouging you all these years. But they will get the message.

    The upcoming stretch will be the toughest part of season for the Raps, they’ll be lucky to win 2 of the next 10. Gotta love those extra ping pong balls!!! Do any of the anti-tankers even remember or had the type of excitement I had during VC’s rookie year; knowing that you had legitimate elite level talent on this team??? Or the year they won their first playoff series vs the Knicks; seeing a second elite player developing alongside VC??? Let’s get that feeling back, that type of talent is available coming this July!!!

    • cdub

      people just don’t want the whole team traded away for a hope and a dream. they want an evaluation period….and they feel Casey is a main problem in making that evaluation about what we do have. you guys just want the whole team traded at any cost in some hope that we bottom out and luck our way into a ping pong ball that may or may not even help the team in the long run. it’s not a coincidence that all these leads are blown in the 4th quarter. I have no problem if we sneak into the playoffs, as long as MU has flexibility and a plan to acquire the right pieces going forward. regardless MU is the one deciding and not the myopic posters on this site. no ones going to complain when the moves are made because they will be made when required and at the correct time not when you tankers want them to be made.

  • ckh26

    We lost when a professional basketball coach drew up a play that was executed by professional basketball players. Set a good screen.. inbound the ball with ease to the designated shooter who gets an open shot from <15 feet and it went in. Sucks for us. Good on them for being able to execute. We have seen a lot of those game winning moments. Unfortunatley I can only recall 2 or 3 situations where it was our guys who get to do the post game interview on how it feels to win in that situation..

    What we can and should get upset about is how we got to that point:.
    Letting a 16 point lead bleed away over 8 minutes in the 3rd Q.

    Missing your free throws in the clutch. Great game demar.. but all i remember from last nite is one clank.

    Lets call it a non standard use of your bench and substitutions.
    A run of about 7 minutes in the 4th quarter where i saw 2.. yes 2.. at least 45 foot 3 point shots because we couldn't or wouldn't get the ball inside.

  • morgan c

    And…. that’s that. Nice little optimism post Gay trade, but I’m sorry, if this team can’t beat the Bobcats, coming off a game the previous night, at home, we are just bad. Blaming Casey is easy. Sure, he can’t coach. We know this. But this is on the players. We just aren’t that good. JV is a huge disappointment this year and I’m sick of making excuses for him. I no longer think his ceiling is as high as I once did – he’s probably a 14 and 9 guy on a mediocre team. Not a true building block. Does nothing really well and is below average defensively, which is inexcusable.

    Anyway, as much as it pains me to say this, bring on the TANK. Clean house Masai. This team is going nowhere so there is no point to keep players around if we can get some picks, etc.

    • morgan c

      BTW, I know Casey is limiting JV and stunting his development somewhat. His minutes distribution is a problem. My problem though is that when he is out there, he is lost half the time defensively, and is predictable offensively. I know he’s young and “still developing,” but I just don’t think he’s a franchise player at all.

    • johng_3

      Sorry but the guy needs to actually play to even develop and produce. You want him to put those numbers but the guy gets 20-25 minutes some gms. And this guy is your supposed to be your future? And you play Tyler Hansbough. Casey is the main problem and this began all the way from the beginning of the regular season

    • John Pinsky

      Take a look at almost every center to enter the NBA and you’ll see that it takes a few years for them to really develop, unless you’re Shaq or Howard. This is particularly true on the defensive end, given the responsibilities of that position and how different the coverages are in comparison to lower level ball (European bigs generally have even more difficulty with the rule changes and PnR use offensively).
      JV’s already averaging almost 12/9 with a block per game over his last 8 with less than 10 FGA in under 30 min a game. Since the LAL game with the team playing more of a PnR offense, he’s averaging 13/9 and 1.5 blocks in the same amount of time/FGA and is shooting 52.6%. So maybe we should give him a little more time before we declare him a bust.

  • steve fisher

    A few observations from the CHA game. They reverted back to one of their old killer habits, settle for lazy 3 pt shot even when it obviously wasn`t working 6/23. They just kept on shooting unlike the good teams who continually take it inside coming down the home stretch. Where was the coaching. One of the main problems with the poor shooting shooting % is that they were settling for too many late clock and poorly selected shots. Another major chronic problem is that our starting back court continually lose track of their checks on defense like KL on the winning basket by Kemba. TR may be the worst of the three in getting completely lost out their. Despite their offensive heroics their plus minus when you consider how many easy open baskets their checks score would be quite mediocre Last but certainly not the least is the OLD school coaching philosophy of letting young players sit. it appears as if the coach is not watching the same game as the fans. The only Raptor to have any success in controlling their big man inside was JV. The coach again benched him from the middle of the third quarter until overtime. Its almost like coach Casey has been told he must give JV playing time so he begrudgingly gives him time early. That is NOT how you develop the Future of your franchise. he needs lots of playing, to continue to develop and be allowed to learn from his mistakes, not by old school BENCHING him. One of the top priorities this year should be the development of our future potential stars. Wake up and see the BIG picture which should be the future. Steve Fisher

  • thatpeterguy

    What if Casey actually is a great coach but this is all just a big tank job? Well that would make the man a hero.