Toronto Raptors 109 Final

Recap | Box Score

108 Dallas Mavericks
Amir Johnson, PF 39 MIN | 5-8 FG | 4-6 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 15 PTS | +11Typical, workmanlike effort, which should probably be called “the Amir” at this point. Didn’t stand out, but played his butt off and did a decent job chasing Dirk around all night. Loses marks for taking 3s on back-to-back possessions, but he did hit one.
Jonas Valanciunas, C 35 MIN | 8-13 FG | 2-2 FT | 13 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 18 PTS | -1Take away his defence in the first quarter, where the Mavs paraded into the lane seemingly at will, and this was his best game of the season. The Mavs dared him to shoot his jumper, and he did with success, showcasing it along with a few nifty post moves. I know he’s a work in progress, but he’s already an elite rebounder – there were a couple possessions tonight that he saved with second and third effort attempts.
Kyle Lowry, PG 41 MIN | 7-16 FG | 3-3 FT | 5 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 20 PTS | -7The straw that stirs the drink. Carried the Raptor offence in the early going, taking the ball at Jose repeatedly. I love his effort level both on the defensive end and rebounding, especially offensively.
DeMar DeRozan, SG 42 MIN | 6-18 FG | 2-3 FT | 7 REB | 9 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 6 TO | 15 PTS | +1Jekyll and Hyde kind of game for him. Some of his shot attempts were just terrible, he had six turnovers, and that 6 for 18 line sure is an ugly one, but he was effective in spite of that by distributing and being active on D. It’s a sign of his maturation that he can have gross games like this offensively and still merit a B grade – last year, a 6 for 18 would almost guarantee a D or F.
Terrence Ross, SG 30 MIN | 5-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 15 PTS | +10A great shooting performance – he looked comfortable from outside the 3-point line, and knocked down a few key ones. If he can keep this up, he’ll thrive in the new pass-happy Raptor offence. I would have liked to see him in the game late instead of Salmons, but I guess you can’t argue with the result.
Tyler Hansbrough, PF 5 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -4Didn’t get much run, but didn’t hurt the team when he was in there. Didn’t do much for the team either, though, hence the C.
Patrick Patterson, PF 25 MIN | 3-8 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 7 PTS | -6Had a rough time defensively in spurts, but I do like the different looks he brings to the team offensively. Had a few nice moves around the hoop, reminding us that he can do things other than shoot from long-range.
Chuck Hayes, PF 2 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +2He came, he saw, he missed a bunny and that was all the run he got. Jersey’s looking good on him, though.
John Salmons, SF 32 MIN | 2-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -4The defence was solid, as usual, but I’m not a fan of the way he falls into hero-ball a couple times a game. The two shots he did hit were key ones in the fourth and overtime, though. Casey trusts him late in games because of his D, and to be fair, he seems to play more within himself when the game’s on the line.
Greivis Vasquez, PG 15 MIN | 6-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 14 PTS | +3Rebounded nicely from a dismal shooting performance against the Bobcats. Was key early in the fourth with a string of heat-check shots, but he quickly went cold and got rightly pulled before he shot the team out of the game. I’m still not sure whether I like the two point guard lineup that Casey seems determined to stick with.
Dwane Casey
The best coached Raptor game of the year, and it’s not really even close. Made excellent adjustments as the game went on, allowing the Raptors to climb out of their early hole by refocusing the interior defence and shifting the Raptor O to be more pick-and-roll heavy. The only decision I didn’t agree with was playing Salmons over Ross in the fourth and OT, but hindsight is 20/20 and the Raptors won.

Three Things We Saw

  1. A gutty effort by an outgunned Raptor squad tonight. It’s their first win in overtime this season, as well as their first – finally – against a team with a winning record.
  2. Dirk Nowitzki is still so, so good. Every time he puts up a shot, you think it’s going in. A throwback game from Jose Calderon as well, who paced the Mavericks late in the game with some unreal 3-point shooting.
  3. Tim will address this more fully in his post-game tomorrow, I’m sure, but this game was a great indication of why the team is so much better off with their new distribution-heavy playing style. Playing hero ball through the first 20 minutes of the game had the Raptors down 19, but they refocused and managed to scratch and claw their way back into the game. I wouldn’t say it was a standout game by any single Raptor, but as a team, this was a statement win. Guts and guile abounded.
  4. Felt like I needed to throw this in here, somehow.

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  • Ahmed

    I think DeRozans deserves a much better grade than B-. He played a complete game when his shot wasn’t falling..

    • Darkness

      Agreed completely, when your impact and effort pushes a team over the top, it’s worthy of an A


    lol wtf you give derozan an A last game but b- this game thats messed up #mindfucked

  • Dr. Dread

    Who is the man diving on the floor all game to get that ball? AMIR! that’s A+ right there!

    • FREEJV

      yea idk why he got b he locked down Dirk at the crucial points of the game and did a great job defending the P&R.

      • puffer

        And he loses marks for shooting back to back threes? He shot 50% from beyond the arc.

    • Tanks-a-lot

      Amir Johnson was the key to the Raptors’ overall team win.

  • Sprechen

    How does Amir lose marks for shooting 50% from 3?

    • StabbyRaccoon

      We love it when they go in but he’s shooting 25% from 3 for the season, so that’s reason enough to curse as the ball’s on its way to the basket. Then again being mad at him for a couple of 3’s when he’s consistently awesome night after night doesn’t make a lot of sense.

  • RaptorFan

    Too hard on Amir and Derozan….Both deserve B+‘s. Big win from the Raps; a statement win.

    6-6 on the road

    Their Defence was impressive and keeps them in a lot of games…

    Tank? I think not! We should get behind this team!

    • AB4EYE

      Support them to where getting one win in the first round which is the absolute best case scenario? Wasn’t Dallas the first team we beat all year to have a winning record and we were getting it handed to us before they started jacking jumpers and stopped picking us apart with the pass.

      • FREEJV

        hey if we can avoid heat or pacers in 1st round we might win a series who knows

        • AB4EYE

          Even if we went to the conference finals its going to set us back a year or two. We are heading towards the worst place a NBA team can be in, especially one on a major rebuild.

    • steve fisher

      DD continually lost his man on defense which resulted in several easy open baskets for the Mavs. To his credit he had 7 assists and a few rebounds and some clutch baskets near the end . Most of the young players must take their man to man defense much more seriously if the are ever going to be considered complete players. This holds especially true for KL TR and DD. Steve Fisher


    if we can get 1 of the next 2 games then we re in business but its gonna be tough against okc and SA

  • Andrey

    Fun tight game.

  • AB4EYE

    Dwane Casey is more or less guaranteeing no FA will ever sign here again unless he’s overpaid. He refused to play D. J. Augustin now he’s starting for the Bulls, he loved Hansbrough and was starting him now after getting a fellow Kentucky player Tyler can’t even get on the floor.

    On top of traded the guys who were willing to come here like trash we’re winning enough games to put us in no mans land were we get a bad pick or get bounced in the first round at best all while killing any trade value those FA players may have had.

    The fact Masai isn’t stepping in is causing me to lose faith in him, Denver got crazy lucky to get Ty Lawsona and Kenneth Faried despite only have 1 first round pick over a 3 year period and we don’t have a player like Melo that fills out half our roster.

    What started out great is shaping up as a nightmare season for the future of the Raptors with the pick going backwards, cannibalizing our trade assets value and getting less value back for Gay than what we gave up for him.

    • Will

      D. J. is starting for the Bulls because they’re so injured their other option is Marquis Teague, not because we failed to realize his potential. Vasquez is better than D.J. and Buycks has potential so waiving D.J. makes sense.

      I agree that Hansbrough should be getting more minutes than Patterson but he looks like he’s still not fully recovered from his shoulder injury yet. Also, I’m sure Casey and Ujiri want to see just what Patterson can do. He is a RFA so they need to know what they have before deciding to keep him or not. I’m sure Hansbrough will gets his minutes back up.

      I do think Casey needs to play JV more though. I’m glad he actually played in the fourth quarter and finished the game tonight.

      • AB4EYE

        DJ is still starting for them, DC refused to play him here but he upping his value tossing out 5.8 assists a game or 7.7 PER36. If we let him do that here we could have flipped him for a 2nd rounder rather than pay him to play for the Bulls. Just think if he gets his game ironed out there and trade him for a pick while we pay him.

        You have all post deadline to look at Patterson what we need to do now is build up players you want to trade to get maximum value. Every single guy who signed here has got jerked abound in PT and all took cheap deals to come here. Don’t think others agents aren’t going to notice that and have second thoughts about letting their guy come up here and pay more in taxes only to get messed with,

        What’s happening right now is we are dumping on future FA relations and hurting the future by not maximizing our trade assets value all while going to wrong direction in the draft order.

        JV developing is a positive everything is an utter nightmare. Ujiri said we wouldn’t be in no mans land but that exactly where we are.

        • Will

          Ok, talking about Augustin’s per 36 numbers is useless because you’re not going to give him 36 minutes when you’ve got Lowry and Vasquez. And who’s giving up 2nd rounders for a third string point guard? Also, I think we only have to pay Augustin the difference between what he signed for and what Chicago is paying him. Even if we had to pay his full salary, it’s so small that it’s irrelevant. It’s not like when we paid Mourning 10 million to win a championship with Miami.

          Regarding Patterson, Ujiri doesn’t need to wait until after the deadline to have a look at him because he’s eligible to be traded before the deadline. Maybe he’ll play well and some team will like the fact that he’s a RFA and trade us something for him.

          • AB4EYE

            No but teams will look at the advanced stats when looking to fill a bigger need with their teams. If this who first quarter of the year we played DJ we could have got something for him and not end up paying him to play for another team who is building up his value so they could get a pick for him.

            How sick would it be for the Bulls to get a 2nd round pick, hit on that pick and have yet another weapon to go with Rose if he ever gets healthy. The moment DJ finds his shot again like he did last game he’s a starter in this league and we gave him away.

            We aren’t going to move PP again, Tyler is the player to move since his contact fits in with teams in financial crunch and looking for and getting those two cheap years is worth giving up something of value. Patterson is younger so he will be back here for the rebuild.

            • Will

              Well clearly you think very highly of Augustin. I have never heard anyone else worry about him becoming a starter in this league again. If your scenario ever comes true, I’ll remember who called it.

              And I think you’re valuing Hansbrough a little too much too. Indiana is a championship contender and they let him go because they got Scola. It’s not like they tried to resign him and he left because he wasn’t getting enough playing time.

              • caccia

                That is indeed what happened. Hansbrough asked to have Indiana’s qualifying offer rescinded so he could become an unrestricted free agent. He signed with Toronto for less than the amount of the qualifying offer to get more playing time and (perhaps) put his game back together again. Scola is doing well in his place for the Pacers, I’ll give you that, but he was signed a few weeks after Hansbrough became unrestricted.

                • Will

                  Ok, well Indiana doesn’t rescind their qualifying offer if they’re interested in keeping him. They were probably already in talks with Phoenix for Scola and wanted to make sure Hansbrough didn’t accept the offer. Let’s just say it was mutual. Hansbrough wanted more playing time and Indiana was looking for an upgrade. Don’t get me wrong. I like him as our first big off the bench but he is not going to, and should not, get more playing time than Amir or JV. More than Patteson, yes. In terms of who is better trade bait, I’d say it’s a toss up.

                • AB4EYE

                  They did so because they’re a small market team who also has a hard time getting FA and always want to come across for doing whats best for the players.

                  They signed Chris Copeland a week and a half after they rescinded Hansbrough’s offer so if they had the Scola move in the works they would have never paid Copeland who never plays for them and who could get in the way of them resigning Lance Stephenson.

                  It was a full 3 weeks between when they made him unrestricted and when they made the Suns trade. You just don’t ink Cope to a more than one year deal in the middle if you’re going to dump a first round player like Plumlee and a pick for a guy who plays same position.

              • AB4EYE

                Its not about DJ its about maximizing assets and FA relations.

      • George

        Patterson is better than Hansbrough, you guys have to be kidding?!?!?

        • Are you saying that Patterson IS better than Hansbrough? What are you basing this on? His poor shot selection or poor defense?

          • onemanweave

            Tim, Please get on here and explain to those poor nitwits jumping for joy in their Lazy Boys why this OT win against a very good team is bad, Bad, BAD! Could you explain to us — again — the long term benefits of losing consistently?
            Please bring along Yert and Flux as guest commentators. We miss their cheery optimism following games that the Raps win. Thnx.
            P.S. I believe George is questioning Will who is NOT saying Patterson is better than Hansborough, just that the latter may still be recovering from injury. Both seem to agree with you. Go easy on them. Yr wlcm.

            • FLUXLAND

              I’m never one to let you down oneman, check out my comment in Tim’s post game. Thought of you the whole time while writing it. From me to you – Happy Holidays, ol chap.

            • This article does it better than I would:

        • AB4EYE

          13.2 and 7.3 for PP
          15.9 and 8.8 for TH

          Win Shares Per48
          .090 for PP
          .128 for TH

        • kayell

          uhhh…Will never said Patterson is better than Hanbrough, what are you reading?

    • caccia

      Exactly right on Tyler. I have followed him since 2005, and the Raptors have only once seen the real Tyler Hansbrough, the one that can play both ways. He’s not being used on offense except to clean up the glass and set screens. You have to treat your men the right way if you want free agents to sign in Toronto.

      I would add is that he is a streak shooter, unusual for a power forward, so it may take a few shots to get going. He looked pretty healthy last night, I was happy to see. Also, he had a terrific alley oop and over the shoulder shot against Charlotte. He and Vasquez will get humming together, if the coach will let them.

      • AB4EYE

        I don’t see him as a streak shooter as much as a rhythm shooter. If you look at his carrer the more shots a game he gets the better he shoots mainly why he shoots almost 10 percent higher as a starter.

    • mountio

      The kentucky point is a funny one with PatPat .. and I agree that hes giving PatPat a little too much love. Having said that, Tyler stinks .. lets call a spade a spade. Is he better or worse that PatPat? I dont know. Im not sure it matters, because neither is very good. Selfishly, I at least enjoy watching PatPat play because hes not so dirty and does have some skill, but TH makes up for it with his effort. End of the day, Ive probably already typed too much comparing inconsequential players. And DJ …. please. He is AWFUL

      • AB4EYE

        Tyler is the better player, he may not be the more graceful or pretty to watch but he gets it done better. All Hans needs to do is get time and be giving shots. He scores more and rebounds better but you can’t do too much of either playing limited time and getting no shots. Even when we started him he took just 9 shots over 3 game Pat had 8 last night alone.

        We’ve seen some of the best Pat has and his PER36 with the Raps over 4 games is. 11.5 and 7.0 while a caged Psycho-T is 11.1 and 10.4. So he’s scoring .4 less PER36 but Tyler takes over a shot and a half less a game. Tyler score 1.29 points per FGA that’s a great clip, when he gets the ball he gets to the line better than most of the superstars in this league.

        We haven’t even let Tyler be Tyler yet and he’s better than Patrick! Not only are we playing the guy our of position he’s getting 35% less shots than his career low, that low is why he asked off of Indy so you know he isn’t going to like it here losing more and making less while paying more in taxes.

        In Win Shares Per48 Tyler is only behind Amir and Lowry our two best players. He was also 3rd on the Pacers last year ahead of Hibbert and Paul George. He’s a winning player and we need to treat him like one so someone will pay us a nice price to get him for their playoff push.

        • mountio

          Ya – fair enough. Ill concede the point .. as Im certainly not a huge PatPat fan. Maybe Tyler is better, but if your team has to rely on Tyler (or PatPat) to play big minutes and be anything other than energy / change of pace guys, then you are in trouble …

  • AB4EYE

    I hope blowing a shot at this premium pick with several game changing players is worth getting embarrassed in 4 games to Heat or Pacers.

    • FREEJV

      what if we get 6th seed or higher?

      • AB4EYE

        Even worse draft pick for no long term positive gain? I’m not sold we can beat any team in the NBA 4 times in 7 games especially when it will come down to coaching making the difference with some teams and we have DC manning out sidelines.

        We are basically last years Bucks team and we see where that got them this year.

        • theswirsky

          2006/07 the Raptors landed the 3rd seed in the east and first in the atlantic.
          Where did that get this team? What benifit came from it?
          Unlike what Bryan Colangelo and his fan boys may tell you, its not hard to win games in the NBA. Its not hard to make the playoffs especially in the east. (although I’ll admit its near impossible when you try and build around someone as bad as Bargnani)
          Whats hard is winning ALOT of games, and going DEEP in the playoffs.
          So while the Raptors were content with a short term playoff experience, others in the east were building their asset base. They were improving their future for the long haul not concerning themselves with short term victories.
          7 years later, history is on the verge of repeating itself, and we see the same excuses and rational for doing it now as there was then.
          “Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it”
          But then again, this organization has learned that all they need to do is throw lipstick on a pig and the fan base will convince themselves they have the prom queen. So why not do it again? Its not like a large chunk of this fan base has exactly shown any basketball savy over the years.

          • tonious35

            REMEMBER, NO DRAFT PICK FOR THE RAPS IN THE DURANT DRAFT CLASS 2007, Winning or losing wouldn’t of made a difference.

      • ac1011990

        And than what? Does this team magically become the pacers or spurs? We get the 6th seed and now we can beat good teams? Remember this is our first win against a good team. We accomplish nothing at all in the long run by getting our butts whooped in the playoffs. The jazz, sixers, magic and bucks will most likely land players who can help and we get to feel what it’s like to get beat in the playoffs.

  • Chewwy

    I love DeRozan but he has to stop splitting free throws with the game on the line. He did this a few times last year and in both the Charlotte and Dallas games, he was on the free throw line very late and both times did not make both. If he wants to be considered the leader of this team, he has to make key free throws down the stretch and so far, he has not done so. I would certainly give Amir an A for the defence on Dirk but Demar’s grade is fair.

  • Tanks-a-lot

    The story of the game is that the Raptors at least have depth enough to catch up and keep up with the Mavs.

    • AB4EYE

      But we are 0-2 vs the Bobcats

      • Tanks-a-lot

        the Bobcats are a hungry team that tries to win every game.
        There used to be a time when allowances were made for a team that is in flux like the Raptors.

        • AB4EYE

          They would have one more win than us if they didn’t beat us and have loses to the Jazz and Magic so they suck too.

          • Tanks-a-lot

            The NBA is all about matchups and runs.

            Only God knows what the team knew about the potential trades. One wonders how a showcase team is who they are when they feel they are a possible chopping block piece.

    • mountio

      Funny thing is, Casey actually doesnt think that JV gives him the best chance to win down the stretch (thus never playing him, cause “vets win games”) .. I think he just felt he had no choice in this one cause JV was playing so well. Hopefully he sticks with it (and adds TR to the 4th Q rotation)

  • Cameron Becker

    Just knew Casey would fall in love with the veteran Salmons and play him massive minutes immediately, even with Ross having a very good game. Too predictable!

    • mountio

      Couldnt agree more. Casey did have a good game coaching wise all around, but wtf is with the Salmons decision. Casey FINALLY played JV down the stretch and … guess what, hes pretty good! T Ross had a very good game .. absolutely no reason for him not to play down the stretch and in OT.
      And most importantly out of all of this … WE ARE WAIVING SALMONS NEXT YEAR! He should not be playing crunch time minutes period. Its totally fine for him to get blows to give the guys who are here for the long haul minutes, but thats it.

    • puffer

      Exactly. Missed his first five shots. Ross was D’ing up just as well. And having a better shooting night. And needs the PT more than Salmons.

  • Slick

    Dd still should’ve gotten a A- . Still don’t care about the 6-18 it will come the shooting. Had some tough looks that didn’t go down. But the 6 TO sucked. But he’s doesn’t have those many games where there’s lots of turnovers! Good win! Screw thanking.

    • Plus

      yeah thanking sucks lol

      • Slick

        Lolll tanking!!!!

  • mountio

    Great game. All in all, things are looking better. My only complaint .. WAY too many minutes for the scrubs from Sac-town. These guys are fine to plug holes, but no crunch time and no big minutes please. Greasy buckets was about right tonight – 15 mins and nothing down the stretch. PatPat is a nice rotation big off the bench. He should split time with TH – 15-20 mins each max. And same for Salmons. 32 mins is a joke when TR is playing as well as he is (although frankly it doesnt really matter how TR is playing .. he needs to learn how to finish games).
    Otherwise, I like what I see …

    • Ho Tep

      The rotation is becoming idiot proof… too many of these guys can play (a little, anyways).

    • Slick

      Hey man I like Terence. But in late game situations he has mental mistakes. He has the get more consistent. But he had a good game. But in that situation when it counts if have john salmons to be honest. I’m trying to win not tank. But I like what I see from Terence that he’s getting more minutes. But he has to deserve it. Some games he’s not focused and has a lot if mistakes. Fans get upset for Casey benching. I would bench him so he’d learn. Playing time does help. But if it’s the same mistake ie: passes turnovers sit him for awhile. As for jonas he needs play get minutes as his mistakes is just from playing against tougher bigs. Great win. On to next one

      • mountio

        Ya – Im not sure about that. I think you are falling into the Casey trap that has kept both Jonas and TR out of late game situations for 2 years! If you wait for them to play flawless ball before you play them down the stretch .. you are gonna be waiting a long time. If these guys are our future, lets give them the time (both total mins and down the stretch) and let them learn. Ya, there might be a few growing pains, but pretty soon this team will be much better off because a) they have more talent than whoever is playing in their place and b) guys like Salmons wont even be on the team next year, so what do we care about developing them (ala AA last year). I think its super, super short sighted to not let these guys play through mistakes.

        • Slick

          I disagree every bit with jonas sitting! He has to play big time minutes. But Ross sometimes he just has mental breakdowns. It’s usually the same plays over. But I think for him he has to start games and play 30 plus minutes. How ever if he’s having an inconsistent game which he does I’m sitting him for awhile. I’m not talking the entire game which Casey does. But I’m also not playing him to make same mistakes! So maybe that clarifies what I was trying to say. Jonas is far more improved and nba ready. He needs to be out there play as many minutes as possible. When Casey puts him in bench it’s stupid. So I agree with you but disagree in the sense that down the stretch if Ross is having a bad game he’s sitting. Good game ya id leave him in for sure. But I could understand why Casey went with the vet. That’s all. Go raps!!!!!

  • Justafan

    I wonder what would happen if raptors go 3 – 0 in the next games, before christmas

    • DDD

      Christmas miracle?

  • John Pinsky

    For those who have doubted the development of Valanciunas, check out his statistics over the last 5 games without Gay (excluding the LAL game, as the team didn’t start utilizing the PnR as much till after that game):
    13.8 PPG, 9.4 RPG and 1.2 BPG, shooting 54.9% from the floor and 92.9% on 2.8 FTA per game.

    Granted, this is a small sample size. But, the fact that his improvement follows after a significant changes to the team suggests they have some legitimacy. Also, these statistics are more in line with what he was doing at the end of last season when they started to feature him more offensively.

    Even if we go back 9 games, he’s still averaging 12.5 PPG on 10 FGA (51.1%) with 9 rebounds and a block per game. Over that stretch, he’s scored double digits in 7 of 9, and had 5 double digit rebounding nights

    • Tanks-a-lot

      JV is able to get his own shot off physically.

      This is a VERY valuable trait when clutch buckets are needed.

  • Louvens Remy

    The sportvu cams and analytics can’t measure heart and effort so DD can’t get an A.

  • steve fisher

    Great gutsy comeback from 19 down.which was partially due to a couple of things. After the third quarter our assist to turnover ratio was 12 to 11. Theirs was 24 to twelve. Players like TR KL DD and JS forced too many contested /bad shots which at times is their nature. The same crew sometimes in a poor attempt to help left their best shooters wide open for easy baskets. If they WORKED harder and tried to stay with their checks they could eliminate several easy baskets making the wins much easier. Kudos to the coach for giving JV lots of playing time in the crunch which he handled very well. Hopefully this will happen regularly even with a few mistakes. He is only 21 years old.The overall trend is encouraging and continued improvement will mainly come from better DEFENSE. One last thing is their inability to set a proper pick especially JV and TR. The coaches could show them the tape of the Dallas game and focus on the picks set by Dirk which were superb. Steve Fisher

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