Toronto Raptors 104 Final
Recap | Box Score
95 Philadelphia 76ers
Amir Johnson, PF Shot Chart 24 MIN | 4-8 FG | 1-1 FT | 7 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 9 PTS | +1

Amir continues to be surprisingly quiet early on, losing playing time to the Patterson/Hayes combo in the first half. Amir made his presence known in the third quarter by punishing the undersized and undisciplined 76ers frontcourt with great positioning and a power slam. And then he was shown the bench and informed that he would be staying there. Ok then.

Terrence Ross, SF Shot Chart 20 MIN | 4-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 10 PTS | -4

Why doesn’t his jumper go in every time? Ross is not Steph Curry or Ray Allen or anywhere near an all-time great shooter yet. But he does have an Allan Houston aesthetic to his jumper combined with that lighter than air floating ability he has that makes me assume that every three that leaves his fingers is dropping in.

Jonas Valanciunas, C Shot Chart 20 MIN | 3-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 6 PTS | +2

Valanciunas just isn’t going to get a chance to be a major piece in major minutes on this team. You don’t need to rest your starters on the first night of a back-to-back when they’re 21 and under. There is so much opportunity for Valanciunas to dominate as a true centre in an undersized league, and we got a glimpse of what he can do with a couple of flashes again tonight.

Kyle Lowry, PG Shot Chart 36 MIN | 7-11 FG | 1-3 FT | 10 REB | 13 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 18 PTS | -1

Kyle Lowry threw up a triple-double on a night when he didn’t even really stand out that much. But no, you’re right, Uncle Drew should totally be the all-star starter over Lowry. It doesn’t matter that Irving has been invisible on defence, his team is imploding and his numbers are down. The people have spoken, and the people want Pepsi Max. I’ll take Lowry, thank you very much; you can keep your calorie-free soda.

DeMar DeRozan, SG Shot Chart 39 MIN | 10-22 FG | 13-16 FT | 9 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 34 PTS | +15

The 40-point game had DeMar a little trigger-happy early. His love affair with the off balance mid-range jumper is never going to be something I feel good about but it’s tough to be overly critical about 34 points. Consider this a ‘Community’ inspired A-

Patrick Patterson, PF Shot Chart 29 MIN | 5-14 FG | 1-2 FT | 9 REB | 2 AST | 3 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | +5

Patrick Patterson played a defensively suspect but ultimately effective 29 minutes. I hate to nitpick Patrick, but could you please try rolling to the rim? Just once for me? I get it, you love the pick n’ pop; that’s your game. But if the lane is wide open for a lob or layup if you roll, could you give it a shot?

Chuck Hayes, PF Shot Chart 23 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | +9

Nobody eats up space in a good and bad way quite like Chuck Hayes. On offence, he’s just kind of there, occupying space. On defence, he’s great at just occupying that same low post space and taking it away.

John Salmons, SF Shot Chart 28 MIN | 5-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +8

The veterans’ calm, thought-out style of play was a helpful influence when he was on the floor during an otherwise frenetic game. Bailed the team out on a deep fadeaway prayer when they left him on an island with the shot clock expiring. Some night Salmons looks like a player with a veteran mind. On other nights, he looks like a player with a veteran body. Tonight he put them both together.

Greivis Vasquez, PG Shot Chart 22 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 7 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | +10

The bad news: General Greivis’ silver kicks have got to go. The good news: when your shoe game is your biggest hole on any given night, you probably played alright. Well, that and the 1 for 6 shooting. But get rid of those silver shoes and we can write off the 1 for 6 as a bad night.

Dwane Casey

Tonight was another round of lineup roulette with Dwayne Casey. I may not understand how he rotates his minutes and lineups, and I may not agree with it, but it’s tough to get too critical of a nine-point win.

Three Things We Saw

  1. An absolute refusal to box out under the rim. Who wants rebounds? You do Spencer Hawes? Here you go. You do James Anderson? Here you go bud. Free offensive rebounds for all!
  2. The Hayes-Patterson frontcourt is a wreck against athletic bench units. Patterson plays away from the basket and lacks the aggression that his size would suggest. Hayes utilizes much more aggression and closer bench proximity than his size would suggest (there are more 6’6-6’8 power forwards who masquerade as 6’9-6’11 on their player cards than you would think. Hayes is one of the few to be listed at his actual 6’6). But while Hayes excels as a one-on-one low post defender, he is not anything close to a rim protector. Unless the opposing team is playing a low post scorer, it’s very hard to get away with this small ball frontcourt defensively.
  3. The Raptors fourth quarter juice continues! It’s the ability to flip that switch that is undoubtedly contributing to their first quarter napping. Is it possible to have your cake and eat it too?

  • FREEJV

    wtf man this brooklyn team is so fluke they beat Dallas by 1 and teletovic had 24 in the second quarter. Thats a once in a lifetime thing for him smh

  • FREEJV

    Demar has to step it up 34 points aint gonna cut it

    • Dont Hate

      are u kidding me, Demar is number 9 in the MVP ladder and your stilling hating

      • CJT

        I detect some sarcasm. He promised earlier that he would jump off his balcony if DD scored 40 again.

        • AB4EYE

          There is more than just some sarcasm there, hence why it got so many up votes.

          • CJT

            I was trying to explain that to Don’t Hate.

            • AB4EYE

              I wasn’t calling you out I was saying its should have been more than clear that he wasn’t calling DD out with it getting so many up votes.

      • FREEJV

        tell me when he gets to #1 ill be waiting

        • Louvens Remy

          Allstar posts. Keep it up. LOLing all the way.

  • FREEJV

    Btw wheres that Augustin dick rider no surprise he didnt come out today lmao #clown.

    • AB4EYE

      I was getting topped off by your mom sorry it took my so long she isn’t good at giving head which was shocking since she spend so much time sexually molesting you.

      • Trey King

        That’s funny AF but you went in on a nigga.

        • Tanks-a-lot

          Rachael Jeantel loves you

      • Sowce

        But you do admit you’re an Augustin dick-rider? Interesting.

        • AB4EYE

          If calling the team out for shitting on an asset, then paying him to play for another team while paying a older player far more money to not be half as good makes me a dick rider then ride on.

          I’ll be doing the same thing after DC runs JV out of town.

          • Sowce

            Yeah poor guy. Making millions to play a sport, we shit on him real good!

            • AB4EYE

              We shit on an asset not the man, he’s in a far better situation playing for the Bulls.

              • GetLicks

                Guy do you even watch ball? Every time you type something, it seems like you’re completely out in space. Let’s see how far a team with DJA as their primary scoring weapon will go.

                • AB4EYE

                  The same place we’re going

          • Abused Raptors Fan

            Then step off n go cheer for LA/ or BOS already then. If its such a chore to be a fan of the Raptors, go watch one of fhe few franchises with longterm championship success.

            • AB4EYE

              I don’t want to watch those teams all year long I have to watch them every April/May while we’re at home.

      • FREEJV

        watch out guys hes raging lmao

  • golden

    I know a win is a win and you’re supposed to be happy, but thiswas not a good win. There are some disturbing patterns developing and old habits resurfacing.

    The offense seems broken and heavily guard oriented, excluding bigs. No wonder Jonas is regressing. I can count on less than one hand how many post plays were run for either Amir or Jonas. Patterson is a mid-range jump shooter, so Casey uses him like a wing, soat least he can be used. But Hayes is a non-factor on offense, which is why Casey loves him. No pick and rolls, no big-small, hi-lo games. No alley-oops. Nothing. Even the guards don’t post up. Raps aren’t even pretending to have any sort of inside scoring threat.

    So for the Raps, there is simply no point of having bigs on the team that can do anything but rebound, kick and ball back out, set picks and screens and get putbacks. No wonder Jonas and Amir are disheartened. They do all the dirty work and are pretty much excluded from the offense – by design, it seems.

    Oh, and Jonas and Ross are losing minutes to Hayes and Alan Anderson, er, John Salmons, in case anybody noticed.

    You know how there are moral victories? Well, this win is kind of like an immoral victory.

    • Saskatoon Raps Fan

      I have to disagree. The raptors are in win now mode and a win is a win. They can’t coddle Jonas just because he was a high draft pick. Look where that got them with bargnani. Quite frankly Jonas has done very little of late to show that he deserves any extra minutes. I hate to say it, but at this point in his career he just isn’t that good. He has games where he shows u what he can be, but overall he’s just too inconsistent. He is very robotic and has stone hands right now. I also don’t think he’s the athlete he was advertised to be coming in

    • Tinman

      Well you are right. We do not have that dominant big. Not yet. Amir is a hustler, still under-rated, but not that dominant big. And nor is Jonas. Not yet. I don’t see him as regressing, I see him as learning out there. And he’s a competitor. Love that in him. But at this point in his career, he is going to get schooled by the more savvy vets, it’s expected.
      Our offence looks great for about 15-20 minutes a game. We had a stretch about three weeks ago where it might of been the best I’ve seen from a Raptor’s squad. The ball movement was sweet.
      Of course it has been guard oriented, no coincidence that our two starting guards are in the All Star discussion, both deservedly so. We don’t have that guy we can give it down low to consistently. Jonas has shown good glimpses for a 21 year old. But he’s also had his struggles.
      I am OK with both JV and Ross playing only 20 minutes. Casey has shown that he is willing to give them more time. Tonight I thought Salmons did a great job and Hayes knows his. Ross’s overall development is moving along swiftly, and I am also pleased with Jonas’s.

    • SR

      Lowry got Amir a couple easy baskets in the 2nd half, but right up to that point I was thinking about how much more often Jose used to get the bigs layups. Easy buckets for bigs are a magic elixer. They would help a bit, for sure.

      On the flip side, both Jonas and Amir need to play on a kinfe’s edge with high intensity and lots of focus to be really effective. They seem tired lately and unable to keep that up for a full game night after night. Not too surprising – this happens to players in January/February. Hopefully they come back around with some more consistent high level play.

  • jonazzing

    68-68 and we had an inbound play! drawn up n everything!

  • ckh26

    “Valanciunas just isn’t going to get a chance to be a major piece in
    major minutes on this team. You don’t need to rest your starters on the
    first night of a back-to-back when they’re 21 and under. There is so
    much opportunity for Valanciunas to dominate as a true centre in an
    undersized league, and we got a glimpse of what he can do with a couple
    of flashes again tonight.”

    He is getting his butt put on the bench because he continues to make the same stupid mistakes over and over again. He holds the ball way to low when he has down low and is getting stripped. He has manos di piedra” as he reaches for passes. Improve on that and the minutes will come. Stay there and watch the Chuckster take your time.

    • monocled_gentleman_scholar

      I was going to make the same point. All the people whining about Jonas not getting playing time are missing the point. JV is not playing very well and that’s why he has to sit. When he played tonight (especially in the first quarter), we were getting torched inside. He needs to get better and tougher now, not two years from now.

      • bbguru

        He’s shown the bench too quickly when he makes a mistake. He had a good start then sat down for extended minutes. His size is needed on the court.

        • oioi

          But he makes the same mistakes game after game. I think Casey has had enough and rightfully so. Plus our defense is a whole lot better with Hayes in the game. JV needs to toughen up

        • Louvens Remy

          JayVizee needs to step his defence up. Hes not hacking it. Chunky is a stabilizing force. JV will get it. He needs to watch some KG and Noah tape over the summer. Hell get there. No kid gloves for him. If this team was shit then I would say play him all day and let him make mistakes but the Rapz are trying to win and JV needs to get to the point where he isnt making the same mistakes over and over again. Hes an active player but he isnt able to hide himself on D and make himself BIG at the same time. It will take time. Watch KG for what I mean by hiding on D while making yourself BIG. JV will always get whistled because he hasnt mastered the little nuances of defence…Yet.

          • Robert Archibald

            Am I the only one that sitting a player down is as effective a way to develop a player as giving them countless minutes? I mean JV still starts and usually gets at least 15 to 20 minutes. Is it a terrible thing for his development that Casey is making him earn his 30 to 40 minute games? I have no doubt he will get there eventually, but I have no problem making a sophomore earn their minutes (same applies to Ross) – Especially since; a) they are still seeing game action and not routing on the benchbench; and b) we have serviceable vets to spell them coming off the bench.

      • Mexiballer

        I agree. J.V was playing terrible. When youre trying to win a game you dont just leave a guy out there who keeps hurting you. I love J.V. but some nights he just doesnt have it.

    • Saskatoon Raps Fan

      I agree. Since we’re going for the playoffs, It’s time for Jonas to get his act together if he wants to see anymore minutes than what he is getting. If he doesn’t I fully support playing the guys who are contributing more that game, be it Amir, 2pat, JV, TH, or even Hayes.

    • keith

      the real issue is this team is missing the inside toughness of Tyler. When the backup center is Hayes, we are missing some good depth.

      • SR

        Hayes played a very solid game. Complain about the post depth some nights, but tonight was not the night.

    • FREEJV

      tomorrow will be a huge test for JV. if he thought Spencer Hawes was tough wait until tmr lmao.

    • Louvens Remy

      Love the Hands of Stone reference. Shout out to Roberto Duran and boxing fans everywhere!!!!!

    • tonious35

      The whole time those coaches in Lithuania during London 2012 and the 2013 Euros knew what they were doing. They do not care if Jonas can take them to the championship or to the gold medal at the moment, they want to make sure Jonas EARNS his playing time by playing smarter basketball in the critical stretch of a 4th qtr. and carry to that to the future. As painful as it is to watch it at the beginning of this season, plus I was sliding with the HATERADE to coach Casey for benching Jonas in 4th quarters, this is part of the culture change MU wants in this team. BC absolutely failed in enforcing this accountability system and it cost the franchise for 7 years and any respect from Chris Bosh. Your talented projects need tough love to get better in talent and in personality. If Casey stays or goes, the same tone must be applied to Jonas in the next 5 or 10 years about playing better and smarter in crunch times regardless of match-up.

    • Mack

      Jonas’ defense has been good but needs to be great for this team to get where they want to go. He has tons of potential on both sides of the floor. Offensively he needs to work with some big man coaches (Hakeem is the obvious first choice) and expand his low-post game. Also needs to start taking and making a mid-to-close range jumper if he wants to keep using that pump-fake; anyone that jumps at that fake at this point should be benched immediately (Andre Drummond…)

  • Thomas

    1. Loved seeing DeMar take it to the rim and get to the line when his shot wasn’t falling
    2. Hoped to see JV more in the 2nd half, but Hayes has been outplaying him the last couple games
    3. Good win, but way too sloppy
    4. DeMar and Lowry both should be all-stars

  • GetLicks

    So Salmons gets an A+ and DD gets an A-? I really don’t understand all the griping and whining about Derozan, especially after a game like tonight. He drops 34 pts with 16(!!!) trips to the free throw line and ppl still bitch. Unbelievable… What do you think opens up driving lanes for him? The mid-range game

    • Tanks-a-lot

      grades are based on their roles. That’s what I gather.

      • GetLicks

        I could live with the grade if there wasn’t always a caveat or complaining right after it. I really don’t think he gets enough credit, especially considering he makes under $10 mil.

  • Adriiian

    Vasquez with 7 assists but can he work on his shooting?
    Lowry tough as nails, and DeRozan with another big game. I could get used to this.
    I think we can take the Clippers without Paul tomorrow.

    LETS GO RAPS!!

    • Thomas

      Vasquez is a good backup, but even after his good games I still cringe whenever he takes a shot

      • http://www.facebook.com/asifyouknow Al Asifyouknow

        Needs to shoot at least 12 times…You cant just go out there and quit shooting……the best shooter in the team missed 9 in ROW,,,,got to keep shooting. Can you get AJ back? Like to see Vaz go to New York or LA…….That way you won’t cringe anymore…lol

    • tonious35

      Without Chris Paul? That ain’t saying much. They got Darren Collison playing like he was when he was at NOH taking over for Chris Paul and is wreaking havoc on other teams. Griffin-dor is playing out of his mind, JJ is playing the same sets from Doc R used for Ray Allen, DeAndre can demoralize you with a poster, Jamaal Crawford loves playing against the Raps, and Barnes is still a dick-hole. This is gonna be a tough-ass game!

    • http://www.facebook.com/asifyouknow Al Asifyouknow

      Vaz had a great game …did his job that is to maintain ……………..

  • Cheezy

    TRoss really does have a pretty jumper. Smooth stroke, great vert, arc and tons of spin… Once he starts driving to the hoop, he’ll start drawing fouls, finding open teammates, become a threat inside…etc. In this game, it’s obvious that Philly read the scouting report and just guarded Ross on the 3, and Ross has to mix up and attack off the bounce to be a great player. He can be a JRichardson, even Ray Allen-esk, but he’s playing too much like a Korver. KKorver is dope but TRoss can be much more!

    • Tinman

      He looks like a player that can contribute to a winning team.
      Hope he a gym rat like Derozan.

  • Colonel_Hapablapp

    I love seeing who gets voted in as a starter for the All-Star Game. Shows how stupid most NBA fans are.
    I’d rather Lowry not go at all. Let him rest and freshen up for the 2nd half of the season. Same for DeRozan too. More important to win games down the stretch than show off in a fan (read: retarded people) favourite game. Besides, let Ross defend the slam dunk crown. All the exposure we really need at this point.

    GO RAPS!

    • monocled_gentleman_scholar

      Yeah, and Kobe gets to be not only an All Star, but a starter at that, even though he has no legs.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        Kobe declined his vote in.

        • CJT

          That’s not really the point. He also asked for people not to vote for him because he was injured. The issue is that fans should not be voting for all stars period. How can a guy who has not played in a year and a half lead the all star voting? Coaches should be involved in the selection of all the participants. That is why when people say so and so is an all star, it carries little weight. Yao was picked as an all star years after he stopped playing ffs.

          • Tanks-a-lot

            “The issue is that fans should not be voting for all stars period”

            you lost me there. the all-star game would be pointless without fan decisions.

            • CJT

              Fan voting has little to do with talent and performance and reduces the All star game to an American Idol style popularity contest.

              • Tanks-a-lot

                “Currently playing well this season showcase game” doesn’t have a nice ring to it.

                • CJT

                  I agree, the “he used to be great until his injuries sidelined him for a few seasons showcase game” sounds a lot better.

  • keith

    DD is averaging 22/5/5 over the last 13 games and a shooting percentage of 45%, and people still are complaining? I couldn’t imagine any night before this year where he would get 34 and 9. That might not be 62 by Carmelo or 58% shooting percentage by Lebron, but that is a hell of a lot better than what Gay was providing at the #1 option (HA!)

    as much as I think Lowry is the straw that stirs the drink, DD is asserting himself and is still figuring it out. Once Ross and Jonas put it together a bit more, this team is really good!

    • GoingBig

      In the losses, I’ve seem him settle for too many weak jumpers and not enough drives to the nets(free throws.) Show me both drives and jumpers and then I’m good when the jumpers are not falling
      Loss LA 3-4FT
      Loss CHA 4-5FT
      Win Minn 9-14FT
      Win PHA 13-16FT

  • AB4EYE

    Kyle Lowry is playing his way into a contract much large than we can afford to sign him too. Its going to sting watching him walk with us getting no compensation this summer when we could have flipped him for several pieces if we weren’t in the East.

    • CJT

      Here we go again. Another post win celebration.

      • AB4EYE

        Its a big issue we’re noting without Kyle, take he play off this team we’re the Magic or Bucks if we let him walk we’re screwed since this bad East is keeping up in the playoff picture all year when we could have got major value back on him, and then if we keep him what’s the odds he keeps up this level of play once he has security and if we do pay him what it takes its going to hurt us long term once we have to lock up DD and other younger players.

        Beating a Bad Sixers team is fun and all but this is issue that can change the course of the franchise.

    • GoingBig

      It’s a risk. The trade-off is playoff experience/development for JV, Ross, and DeMar.
      The market is not as hot as you’d think, so the Raptors have a reasonable chance.
      See the RR analysis – http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/01/13/raptors-frontrunner-kyle-lowry-free-agency/
      But what’s on offer? That Nolan deal was the best but there are few other teams that want to take on a free agent that will walk. Definitely not a 2014 pick.

      • AB4EYE

        LOL we don’t play 2 of those 3 guys to get experience in meaningless RS games let alone do so in the playoffs.

        • GoingBig

          They’ll play and they’ll learn. The payoff will be the next year

          To the wider question of that experience being a trade-off for missing good stuff from a Lowry trade, it is a mediocre trade-off. But as there is no good stuff being offered for Lowry, that’s that value we have in hand.

    • Gman

      What if Toronto decides to go into the Luxury tax this year? They’ve certainly talked about a willingness to do so. And the reality is, most teams that are considered playoff contenders are in the luxury tax. When MLSE understands that then we may have a team on the verge.

      MLSE can afford whatever they want to. Very deep pockets.

  • AB4EYE

    Never been called a Patrick Patterson fan but dude gets 11-9-2-3-1 with no TO and has the wost bench grade? He shot poor but GV was 1-for-6 and Chuck 1-for-4 and their best secondary stat was sill lower than Pats and while JS shot it great he got one rebound and a block in 28 MP.

    If you add up all the positive stats ad subtract the TO they add up like this.
    26 for PP
    13 for JS
    11 for CH
    10 for GV

    If you add the missed FG which as Pats bad line on top its still
    17 for PP
    11 for JS
    8 for CH
    5 for GV

  • cdub

    good win but not saying a lot about caseys confidence in jv or ross. another second half benching for them both

    • SR

      Ross only sat because Salmons was playing great D on Philly’s wings and DD got hot. Considering the game those two had, can’t really argue for giving their 2nd half minutes to Ross. It was the right move for this game.

  • SR

    Totally disagree on “JV shoulda played.” What I saw was the Raptors getting slaughtered in the paint and JV totally lost on Philly’s high-pressure transition offense. Philly outscored them 56-36 in the paint on the night.

    I’d like to know the stats, but Chuck Hayes was a real calming influence in the post – exactly the type of impact you want your vets to have.

    The more I see Chuck play, the more I like him. It’s so important to have him and Salmons playing with all these young guys. Even if Hayes and Salmons end up with unimpressive box scores, they make the right decisions, play the right way, and play with an even keel. They’re a good influence.

    I feel like Chuck’s most frequent criticism on here is that he’s 6’6″ and pudgy. When Casey puts him in the right situations, his height is not an issue, imho. He clears space better than some players half a foot taller.

    Lowry’s night wasn’t quiet at all for me. He did everything, all game long. Again. His night and DD’s 4th quarter were the game highlights.

    • tonious35

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6f5Uyu6Dv4 This sums up about what he said about Chuck Hayes…

      • Eric Evensen

        Nice link. There’s a couple of beauty lines in there too. Can’t decide between “Chuck Hayes: What a Man” and “There’s no namby-pamby in the Chuck Wagon”.

    • Nerius

      JV was taken out of the 1Q after 5 minutes when he had 6 points and the raps were leading the points in paint 6 to nothing. By the end of the quarter the points in the paint were 6-22. Valanciunas had good rhythm, he made one TO and was benched for 10+ minutes to Hayes who was terrible in that first stretch. I’m all for winning now and earning your minutes but you to give young guys a chance to get some flow. Casey was always famous for killing flow by his default rotations and that’s what he did tonight.

  • Tinman

    Looking at the Eastern Conference standings the East now have 6 teams playing at least 500 ball and a seventh in the Nets who are playing strong and will probably continue to rise in the standings.

    • AB4EYE

      The East will start eating each other up with tons of H2H games among the playoff teams with several of the good West teams still to play them as well. I know the Hawks have well over 50% of their reaming games vs current playoff teams or teams with ..500 records.

      I will be impressed if 5 can stay at .500 or better.

  • AB4EYE

    WOW the Kings just fouled Paul George up 4 on a 3 with 15.1 left, he hit the shot and FT to tie it up.

    • AB4EYE

      The Kings capped off the choke 116-111

      Arron Gray killed them in the 4th and OT with some terrible turnovers plus failing
      to come up with some big rebounds he had his hands on.. He finished with weak 3-7-1 and 4 TO and 5 fouls in 36:18 of play which was 3rd most on their team behind Thornton and Thomas who scored 80 of their 111.

      The Kinds got one of the worst collective game’s I’ve ever seen from a starting C/PF/SF group shooting 3-for-20 from the field and 5-of-11 from the stripe for 11 total points with 16 fouls and 7 TO with just 3 assists in over 105 combined MP.

      • GLF

        Thank God Aaron Gray is not our problem anymore. Even though Chuck Hayes struggles to finish in the paint just like Gray did he at least has the being 6’6 excuse and he’s just so much better than Gray at pretty much everything else. What a good trade that was.

  • GLF

    People need to stop acting like if JV and TRoss don’t get 30 minutes a night they won’t develop. There is nothing wrong with giving them 20-25 minutes a night and if they show you something that night you give them more minutes. Yes they are our future and yes they are young but you have to EARN minutes as well. You can learn by watching Hayes and Salmons, you can learn by watching tape, you can learn by practicing with you team. JV and TRoss are the starters and they will get playing time every game for 82 games (as long as they don’t get injured). It’s not like when they play bad one game Casey doesn’t play them again for a week. As long as they’re getting playing time they will develop and learn. We aren’t tanking whether you like it or not and we are trying to win. If JV and TRoss are making the same mistakes over and over and when Hayes or Salmons come in they change the game in a positive way for us you got to play them. Simple. Take a breath everyone. JV and TRoss will develop and get better. It takes time and 30 minutes a night isn’t the only way of doing that. They are actually getting the best of both worlds. They are getting to play but they are also able to see and learn from two veterans that are now on our team. Chuck Hayes and John Salmons play the game the right way even when the stats don’t show it. They are good mentors for JV and TRoss if they take on that role. And they now they are both on a winning team so they are learning how to win and what it takes to win. I don’t know what everyone is so up in arms about. Chill.

  • Trace Fairley

    I would take Aaron Gray over Chuck Hayes. They’re a wash on O but Gray can protect the rim where Chucky can not. I have a hard time watching Hayes play more minutes than the highly touted, high pick, franchise future JV whether he is making mistakes or not.

    • tonious35

      Take a look at Sacramento’s Record now since the trade…. ’nuff said…

    • Louvens Remy

      I understand what you are saying, but Chunky Tuna is effective because he can play one on one and thus limits offensive attempts with his D. JV has a tough time defending one on one. He makes a lot of mistakes. Chuck is a stable vet who can handle himself down low. Gray was a deterrent down low, but by no means was he a good defender at the rim or 1 on 1. I think you arent giving Chunky enough credit. He is undersized but doesnt bite on fakes and is able to hold his position. JV is young and despite being a 7 footer he gets pushed around easily because he hasnt mastered the art of post and 1 on 1 defence. I feel that Chunky Hayes and Psycho T are the best thing that could have happened to JV for the development of his post and 1 on 1 defence. That folks is my undeducated guess.

    • Gman

      There’s two ways you play post defence. One, height. Two, you swing your big ass knocking the guy your guarding out of the comfort zone. The second is obviously Chuck…high Bball IQ and low centre of gravity.

  • Mexiballer

    Does anyone know exactly why it is taking Hansbrough so long to come back from his ankle injury?

    • Louvens Remy

      Ankles are tough recovery. I screwed my ankle up way back in 96 during UWO football camp and I still have problems to this day. Granted we didnt have the same type of treatment or mentality towards injuries back then, but its still a source of pain to this day. I think Psycho may have some sort of fracture to the ankle if its taking this long. Tough injury to rehab because, unfortunately, he has to support his weight on the ankle because its not broken enough to be in a boot or have crutches. Thats my uneducated guess.

      • Mexiballer

        Someone at the Toronto Sun might have seen my question. They ran a story today saying that it wasn’t an ankle sprain as originally reported…its a bone bruise. That explains it. Yeah Remy…ankles can be tough. I turned mine badly playing high school ball and was on crutches for a few days and was out for over a month. No time of return for Tyler. I really hope its soon. Its those nights when the Raps are flat that they need him most. I think its amazing how that guy can bring so much energy each and every night.

  • Louvens Remy

    Demar is learning, very frustratingly for fans, how to pass out of a double team. Right now he dribbles into a double team when he doesnt have to. His footwork is still wonky when he gets down on the block, but he has enough fakes, spins, up and unders to get by. Hes getting to know the lay of the land of what teams are going to do to him when hes in ISO. The key for him is to drive or go down to the post more. Once he gets he double teamed, he needs to quicklyu figure out how to pass to Ross for the corner 3 or dump it off inside to the bigs or kick it back outside to Kyle over the next 10 games or so. Right now, hes a bit slow. This will only happen when those players mentioned figure out how and where to move on the basketball court to maximize options and space for DD. A lot of the time the spacing is not there and that has to do with DD dribbling into the wrong spots and other players not rotating. DD is a field of dreams player. If you build it, they will come. Im excited by the progress these young guns are showing, in wins and losses. #keepDD #progress

  • Feather Ruffler

    I feel that the reason JV’s minutes were limited was due to a calculated decision on Casey’s part with the game against the Clippers and DeAndre Jordan in mind. There is no one else on this team that can deal with Jordan’s sheer size and having to deal with that while having played 36 minutes the game prior would be a lot to ask of a second year center. Jordan played 43 minutes last night and Griffin 37, while Casey kept JV to 20 and Amir to 24 while securing a victory. I think that grade for Casey needs to change to an A as he’s ensured our front court is fresh for a stretch where we have 3 games in 4 nights and Monday has a divisional rival in Brooklyn waiting.

  • Quest

    community reference was too good

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