For those of you that thought that losing in the playoffs meant you were done, we bring you the Las Vegas Summer League, where the Raptors lost in the playoffs against Houston, but then, for some reason, played again today.

Summer League games aren’t always the most beautiful thing and this game didn’t try and rock the boat. For those of you who missed this game, let me just run down a few numbers to give you an idea of what you missed.

– This was the second-lowest scoring game of the Las Vegas Summer League, only being saved from being the worst on a three in the last seconds of the game.

– The Raptors and Clippers shot a combined 34.7% from the field.

– The Raptors shot 13% (3-23) from three, only to be eclipsed by the Clippers who shot 10% (1-10). Although, perhaps the Clippers should be applauded for taking fewer threes considering they weren’t hitting. Hard to say, 13% is better than 10%, but 9 misses is better than 20 misses.

– Both teams combined for 6 assists in the first half.  Six in twenty minutes.

– The Raptors “won” by outscoring the Clippers 64 to 60.

The Spurs-Heat this was not.

There was almost no flow on offense and obviously little passing. Too many guys trying to force things. This is the problem with Summer League play. Most players are trying to impress, and so they want to standout, but when you try and standout, you often end up going away from the team concept. It’s a catch-22.

For those that actually care about the game, the Raptors were losing up until midway through the second quarter when they went on a 16-0 run and stayed ahead the rest of the game.

For most fans, the interest in Summer League is focused on individual play. This is a chance for us to see rookies in a professional setting, and evaluate players who may or may not have a chance at making the roster.

This game gave some of the players who hadn’t had seen much action previously some playing time. Scott Machado got a chance to start with Buycks sitting out this game. TJ Bray disappeared in his first start. And Myck Kabongo got a chance to see some extended minutes for once. We also might have seen the last of Hassan Whiteside, who also sat out the game.

1. Whiteside certainly has the physical tools to play in the NBA, and even showed a few skills, but he’s the prefect example of a player who is simply not mentally on an NBA level. He’s got a low basketball IQ, let’s his emotions get the better of him and, at 25 years old, has shown little improvement since he left college.


Without any big name rookies in attendance, there was a lot of discussion about Bruno, and one of the Barry boys and the other commentator had a lot of nice things to say about him when they weren’t talking about Rick Fox’s scarf and, well, they talked a lot about Fox’s scarf for some reason.

The best comment was when Barry said, and I quote, “We like where he strokes it”, when talking about Bruno’s form on his shot (and not his length). He obviously caught the double entendre and backtracked a little, but that might have been the highlight of the game.

While Bruno didn’t shoot well, especially from three, he continues to impress with his potential. He’s still got a LONG way to go, but continues to have a big impact on the defensive end and shows flashes of an offensive game that is probably still three or four years away.

Bruno seemed to start the game with a slightly different mindset and looked to initiate a little more, but mostly failed miserably. He dribbled out the shot clock twice and one play, where he was isolated on the wing, was uncomfortable to watch as he fumbled the ball and then proceeded to dribble out the clock.

He also tends to fall for a pump fake WAY too often, especially considering a guy with his length shouldn’t even need to leave his feet. He also coughs up the ball under pressure, which is probably why I counted only a few times when he dribbled the ball more than twice.

Still, for the youngest player on the court and a guy who no one had heard of just a few weeks ago, Bruno impressed as much or more than anyone on the court. He doesn’t shy away from contact, has good form (despite not hitting in this game), and can be a game changer on the defensive end. On the very next play after the failed isolation attempt, Bruno used his length and anticipation to steal a pass and dribble the length of the court for a layup.

He played a team high 33 minutes and was a big reason why the team won.

The more I watch Bruno, the more I like Ujiri’s selection of him at 20. While no one should expect anything from him next year, I would say he’s definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later and, at the very least, can become a good defensive player who can hit the three.


Bebe got to play extended minutes and did show some things, but he also showed he’s got a lot of work to do.

He looked about a foot taller than anyone out there, and he’s not a stiff. With his physical tools, he’s got a chance to have an NBA career, but there are a few things that might prevent that.

Bebe might be the longest player in summer league (that’s just a guess, but he’s got 9’6 standing reach, so I think it’s probably a good guess), but he’s only got three blocks in five games. He should have gotten twice as many without even leaving his feet. And therein lies the problem. While Bebe is a willing defender, he’s not a particularly good one. Well, some of the time he is, but for a guy as agile as he is, opposing players seem to go around him almost at will at times. He’s not good at defending pick and rolls and will over-commit far too often.

And while he ended up getting 10 rebounds against the Clippers, there were far too many times when a smaller player came out of the pack with the rebound instead of Bebe. And considering the number of misses in this game, I guarantee there were more than ten rebounds available for Bebe.

Bebe’s got great size, yes, but he simply doesn’t use it enough. He is active, but doesn’t always play very smart. Now, apart from the physical tools, Bebe is a willing, if not always pinpoint passer. He’s actually got a decent drive to the hoop for a player his size, and finishes fairly well around the basket.

He’s a project, but he’s a project worth gambling on.

Funniest incident of the game: While running up the court, Bebe apparently asked the ref if he could stop and tie his shoe. Do they stop games in Brazil for that?


Daniels was the leading scorer (15 points), rebounder (14 rebounds) and shot blocker (2 blocks) for the game, and definitely played fairly well.

He was active on the boards and on defense, but he did take 15 shots to score those 15 points, so it’s safe to say efficiency was not a strong suit. There were a number of times when Daniels seemed to have blinders on and forced the action rather than pass to an open teammate. It’s like he knew this was the last game to impress the Raptors and wanted to show something, but showing he could pass would have been something.


I was anxious to see Kabongo get some burn and was happy to see it happen. Kabongo has always had a reputation as a great ball handler and good passer, but his big weakness is his lack of a jumper, and all of that was on display in this game. Kabongo outplayed starter Machado, even dishing out a game-high 3 assists (?!?!?!). He showed some sneaky moves around the basket and was able to get into the lane almost at will.

But that jumpshot.

He’s been away from Texas University for more than a year and he obviously hasn’t spent enough time on his jumpshot. He was 0 for 3 from three and not one of them was close, even airballing one.

I still was impressed enough with him that I would like to see the Raptors bring him into training camp. He’s actually 22, which is older than I thought, but he’s got talent.


Daniels has no real shot at catching on with the Raptors, but since he was the ONLY Raptors to actually hit a three (he went 3-6) which I thought was worth mentioning.


In just 12 minutes, Holman actually looked like a fairly decent prospect. He’s not tall but showed a good post game and grabbed four boards in his limited time.

That’s it for Las Vegas. Next up, training camp. In three more months.

  • Tinman

    “The more I watch Bruno, the more I like Ujiri’s selection of him at 20. While no one should expect anything from him next year, I would say he’s definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later and, at the very least, can become a good defensive player who can hit the three”
    That’s what we wanted in your post draft article. Your viewpoint reflects mine, yet mine was made on draft night. Based on confidence in Masai and knowing 20 is a crapshoot so let’s swing for the fences.
    I’m hoping Casey can get the most out of Bebe.

  • Chewwy No Matthew

    Well done Tim. Very accurate on all accounts. I was thinking the same thing regarding Whiteside when I have watched him this summer. He looks lost and definitely emotional in a negative way. It will be great when Bruno and Bebe are at Raptors training camp working with the coaches and veterens

  • Feather Ruffler

    I had no idea that Bebe was as good a passer as he’s shown himself to be. Finding a willing and capable passer from the center position is a huge asset.

    I really like the two Brazilians. The two of them have completely different personalities but it seems they can compliment each other going forward, The Killer B’s!!

    • Abused Raptors Fan

      …didn’t they use “The Killer Bees” to refer to Bosh/Bargs back in ’07-’08? Lol.

      Maybe we can get a little more creative?

      • Feather Ruffler

        Hmmm maybe we can… any suggestions?

    • Jamshid

      How many Assist Per Game are you expecting from Bebe this season ?

      • Feather Ruffler

        Double digits all day.

  • Jamshid

    “While no one should expect anything from him next year, I would say he’s definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later and, at the very least, can become a good defensive player who can hit the three”

    That is pretty bold statement to make and I am curious to know how many games of the other players ( drafted after Bruno) have you watched already …


      Shut the fuck up you god damn fucking piece of shit! fuck off you ignorant piece of shit 😀

      • Jamshid

        It seems like logic has failed and you have to resort to act like this. Too bad because there are young kids who visit this site. Keep it clean and control your emotion :)

    • jjdynomite

      I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Jamshid, but since this is yet another TimW article, it makes total sense that I would.
      True, this is summer league, but the following players selected after Bruno at #20:
      #22 – Jordan Adams
      #23 – Rodney Hood
      #26 – PJ Hairston
      #34 – Cleanthony Early
      #42 – Nick Johnson
      #46 – Jordan Clarkson

      … all had much stronger games this past week. Of course, some of these guys are as much as 3 full years older than Bruno, playing in the NCAA, so who knows. But stating unequivocally “he’s definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later” is based on zero evidence.
      Of course, for TimW, “potential” = championships. It’s a retarded perspective, but at least Timmy’s consistent in his retardedness.

      • Guest

        ‘But stating unequivocally “he’s definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later” is based on zero evidence.’

        The fact that you make this statement above belies your own “retardedness”, expecting “evidence” for what is very much a subjective standard (“potential”).

        • jjdynomite

          Hey “Guest” (ergo, TimW), as opposed to your ad hominem, I listed 6 players who had much better summer league stints than Bruno. But for some reason TimW thinks Bruno has “definitely got more potential”. Based on what? His Jay Bilas-like “wingspan?” The fact that he made a couple 3 pointers? His ability to get dunked on by CJ Fair?
          Sorry buddy, but however decent Bruno was — as opposed to late-drafted rookies like Napier who fell on their face — Adams/Hood/Hairston/Early/Johnson/Clarkson were, OBJECTIVELY, far better than Bruno. Ergo, they exhibited “more potential”, since this was summer league action, not NBA action.

          But honestly, TimW is not a scout, and he was not in Las Vegas this week. So why are you defending his “subjectivity” since it’s based on watching TV? Unless you yourself are TimW. Or a fucktard. Or both.

          • LuckyMystery

            You actually are retarded. Playing better in summer league today does not mean you possess better long term potential. Potential is not something you can just measure.

            All of your arguments are dumb and make no sense.

            • jjdynomite

              Sorry buddy, some random guy watching NBATV back home in British Columbia stating that Bruno’s “definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later” — when Bruno’s game was about as raw as it gets, and many later picks exhibited very promising games — makes no damn sense at all.
              This same idiot (TimW) claimed Tyler Ennis was one of the 10-12 best players (not PGs, PLAYERS) in the draft in a recent podcast, and he totally flunked summer league. In other words, TimW doesn’t know SHIT, yet you “LuckyMystery” and “Guest” are lapping up his predictions, which have been proven wrong time-and-time again.

              So congrats, you are a retard following a retard.

              • LuckyMystery

                Nowhere in my post towards you do I mention anything about the guy that wrote the article.

                I am simply pointing out as is guest that you are arguing an arbitrary point. Please tell me specifically how you measure ones potential in comparison to another player.

                Again using the argument of summer league stats makes no sense. Bruno is younger than almost every one else. Every person that watches him play can’t help but point out his unlimited potential. The reason is there is nothing else to talk about. All he has to offer is the hope of future potential. In the end this could still make him a better player than any one selected after him and a bunch of guys before him.

                • jjdynomite

                  I appreciate your rational response, LuckyMystery. TimW’s main theme is that potential is king — that potential delivers championships, and that Tyler Ennis would be a better fit on a championship team than Russell Westbrook (yes, he actually said this on a podcast).
                  I am not disputing Bruno’s NBA-caliber physical characteristics (height, wingspan, quick twitch musculature, etc., etc.). But I am disputing prognosticators like TimW who broadcast that Bruno is the second coming — better than all the players drafted after him, as he wrote — just like he broadcast that the Sixers have the best team built for the future (because they are all about “potential”. Until, of course, all the less-recent draftees like MCW say fuck this to 4 years of losing, and leave at the first chance they get).

                  I do think Masai is building the team well. The Raptors have a strong current roster and a hopefully good injection of up-and-coming talent, Bruno being a large part of that. But saying things like “unlimited potential” means nothing, especially when there are late-round draftees like Adams and Early and Hairston putting up big games. True, they might not share Bruno’s body type, but they are proving their NBA-readiness. Bruno, on the other hand, has a long way to go, and NOBODY knows if he’ll get there. Because for every wiry SF with upside like Nicolas Batum (6’8, 200 pounds, drafted 25th overall — a Daryl Morey pick, by the way, who was traded immediately to Portland, oops), there is a total flameout like Darius Miles (6’9, 210 pounds, drafted 3rd overall by the Clippers).
                  Potential doesn’t mean anything. I can potentially do well on my LSATs, doesn’t mean I’ll make a good lawyer, let alone succeed in law school. But for some reason, TimW thinks this way. Maybe he’s just an idiot savant — with an emphasis on idiot.

                • LuckyMystery

                  Dude you continue to confuse potential with immediate results. Until you can separate those 2 ideas we can’t have this conversation.

                  You have to look at the plays that Bruno made, as small a sample as it may have been and forget that he didn’t contribute in a big way on the stats sheet.

                • jjdynomite

                  No, I am not confusing potential with immediate results. I am arguing against the fact that the author conflates the plays that Bruno made meaning that he has “definitely got more potential than anyone who was selected later”. Again, why make this definitive statement, other than TimW being clueless?

                  Hairston had a much better summer league and he was drafted after Bruno. So why state that Bruno “definitely” has “more potential”. Because Hairston is a headcase?

                  Early had a much better summer league and he was drafted after Bruno. So why state that Bruno “definitely” has “more potential”. Because Early is a SF/PF tweener?

                  Adams had a much better summer league and he was drafted after Bruno. So why state that Bruno “definitely” has “more potential”. Because Adams is short for a SG and played behind LaVine and Anderson at UCLA?

                  I could go on and on. Do you see my damn point!? The only thing Bruno has going over these guys is that he’s 2+ years younger. THAT’S IT. And again, for every Nicolas Batum with Bruno’s body type and skill set, there’s a Darius Miles — who was drafted much higher.

                  Funny thing is, I did “look at the plays that Bruno made”. The question is, did YOU look at any other Summer League games on NBATV…and see the plays that the other late-first round/second round guys made? My guess it you and TimW didn’t, while I did.

                • LuckyMystery

                  I give up, I go back to my original comment. you are fucking retarded. sorry bro. you have no fucking clue.

                • jjdynomite

                  Wow, LuckyMystery can’t refute the facts, so he resorts to ad hominems.

                  I can bring both: stop riding TimW’s dick and start eating it, you little bitch.

                • LuckyMystery

                  the only fact to refute is that you are completely fucking dumb.

                  it is not my fault you don’t get what the word potential means. listing peoples names and saying they had a better summer league than bruno just continues to drive that point in.

                  calling people names and telling them to suck guys dicks is what you have to resort to because you are to stupid to be able to argue an actual point. people are trying to help you understand, buy you are to bloody stubborn to open your fucking eyes. when your mom lets you move out of the basement do you think it will be hard to adjust to society, or do you think by then you will have the mental capacity to not be so retarded.

      • sleepz

        Jordan Adams looked really good.

  • leftovercrack

    I like the swing for the fences plan by MU with Caboclo and Bebe, instead of settling for a single. It’s not difficult to acquire role players in the NBA, it’s getting the special player that is difficult. If they flub a No 20 pick, it’s no biggie, but if Bruno turns into something special it is a huge win. Same with Bebe. Even Deandre Daniels with his length looks like he could have potential, UConn has been messed up recently and a lot of players have underperformed there. People forget that Drummond dropped in the draft despite his incredible physical gifts because his numbers were weak and he often looked pretty bad at UConn. Maybe it’s a program thing.

    • robertparish00

      Drummond dropped in the draft because of his knees, people thought he might be an Oden.

      • leftovercrack

        Drummond averaged 10 points and 7.6 rebounds a game at UConn, decent but hardly awe-inspiring. He was notorious for disappearing at times

      • Andrew

        I also thought it was because of a number of other things including: personality issues, lower basketball IQ, and almost a non-existent offensive game

    • LuckyMystery

      UCONN just won the national championship, I’m pretty sure thgere is nothing wrong with their program

      • leftovercrack

        I meant in the previous years, they went through a floundering period. Daniels is 22 years old, and only got hot at the end of the championship run

        • LuckyMystery

          They won in 2011 also. There is nothing wrong with the program. Some college systems don’t allow for a player to dominate the stats sheets. Also Daniels improved his numbers each year he was at UCONN. So not sure what else you want to see in a players development.

  • Vin Domenico

    These guys look so far away from contributing

    • afrocarter

      Which is perfectly fine.

  • Niagara_dude

    After watching the summer league I believe the Raptors should move on from Buycks, they should try and sign Marshall who was waived by the Lakers.This guy can run a team and is a great passer, would allow us to give Lowry some rest and not have to play major minutes during the season.

    • DDayLewis

      I would love it if they signed Marshall. He’s got a Greivis Vasquez-type game. Good passer and three-point shooter.

    • afrocarter

      Marshall may be too good to be a third-string PG, though. Furthermore, I believe Lakers waived him in order to sign him long-term.

  • Eunys

    On Bruno! For a kid who is supposed to be two years away to be two years away..I like what I saw ! The guy is 20th pick and averaged 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 steal and shot 39% in his 5 SL games ….that is impressive from a kid everybody saying is raw and does not have basketball fundamentals etc…Useless pressure on the kid just because an ex looser coach (Fran Fraschilla) now turned TV commentator thinks he knows eveything about NBA talents.

  • ZQ

    The forum article shouldn’t count as a web article on your site, hurts your creditability
    Regardless, its a fake thread anyways, the tweet is from a fake account

  • Capoeira

    They do stop the game so that a player can tie his shoe, not only in Brazil but in all FIBA basketball. Obviously none is stoping a fastbreak or a drive to the hoop, but if there is no iminent chance to score, the refs are allowed to stop the game.

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