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  • Trading up in the draft

    Please put all trades with the Raptors trading up in the draft here.

    Now that we know the draft order, we (and especially me!) can stop speculating on draft order.

    Top 5:

    CLE
    MIN
    UTA
    CLE
    TOR

  • #2
    Twolves have been pretty open that they want to trade their pick for veteran help.

    And here we go...
    @sweatpantsjer

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    • #3
      Minnesota

      TOR: Flynn, Webster, #2
      MIN: Calderon, #5

      http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=5wbosnb

      Rationale:

      TOR: Flynn still has upside and I do not think he has been given a fair shake in the NBA with the system and injury he has been forced to play with. Webster is a 3pt threat and an expiring who can offer a wing player for 1 year while Kleiza recovers. Toronto gets their pick of whoever is left: my personal hope would be Kanter (he has really grown on me).

      MIN: It all depends on Rubio but Calderon has 2 years left on his deal plus would be an upgrade for a team looking for veterans. At number five I would see them taking Veesley, Valanciunas, Alec Burks, or Leonard if still available.

      CLE: Irving
      TOR: Kanter
      UTA: Leonard (they need SG/SF depth, Williams is very simlar to Millsap in my opinion and they have Favors at the 4).
      CLE: Williams
      MIN: Valanciunas/Vesely/Burks

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      • #4
        Matt52 wrote: View Post
        TOR: Flynn, Webster, #2
        MIN: Calderon, #5
        Only the TWolves are saying they don't want another young player so they are making their draft pick available in order to get a vet PG and expect Rubio to come over. Calderon makes sense as we have spoken about many times, but it does not make sense for the #5 going back as it contradicts why they have made the pick available. Now that said...if there were another team involved...
        gotta think some more again. Been waiting for this day now my freakin brain is frozen!

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        • #5
          Minnesota, Sacramento

          TOR: Flynn, Pekovic, Tolliver, Casspi, #2 (Kanter)
          MIN: Calderon, Garcia, Thompson, #7 (Burks/Leonard/Valanciunas)
          SAC: Bargnani, Webster, #5 (Knight/Walker)

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          • #6
            The Kanter sweepstakes have closed, CLE wins by rigged Draft Lottery.
            NBADoppelgangers.tumblr.com

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            • #7
              How about some trade proposals where we don't give up our pick??
              The Raps should have a company policy for the next 2-3 drafts to not trade any first round picks.
              Only then will the franchise have some long-term sucess.

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              • #8
                Matt52 wrote: View Post
                TOR: Flynn, Pekovic, Tolliver, Casspi, #2 (Kanter)
                MIN: Calderon, Garcia, Thompson, #7 (Burks/Leonard/Valanciunas)
                SAC: Bargnani, Webster, #5 (Knight/Walker)
                I would adjust this, since SAC is shopping their pick as well, perhaps they flip their pick with us, (potentially for use in a further trade) How about add in Denver (and assuming Minny completes the signing of Rubio by the end of this month as they intend):

                TOR: JFlynn, NPekovic, #2 Minny pick, #7 SAC pick, ATolliver.
                MIN: JCalderon, FGarcia, JThompson, OCasspi, TMosgov.
                SAC: RFelton, ABargnani, MWebster
                DEN: #5 TOR pick, Barbosa, LRidnour, SAlabi.
                (NOTE: sorry trade machine is freezing again, will post the link if I can get it to work again.)

                DRAFT: Kanter @#2, KLeonard/ABurks/KThompson/KWalker/BKnight @#7.
                TOR: Can draft Kanter and have a solid front court with the bigs attained, get a shot at a potential PG or wing at #7. Potential starting lineup of EKanter, ED, JJ, DD, Bayless/Knight/Walker.
                Bigs: EKanter, EDavis, AJohnson, ATolliver, NPekovic (4,2,5.5,2,4.3)
                Wings: DDerozan, JJohnson, LKleiza, maybe ABurks/KThompson/KLeonard, Free agents (WChandler, AAfflalo, KAzubuike, DCook, SWeems...) (2,1.8,4.6,2,3?+)
                Point: JBayless, JFlynn, maybe BKnight/KWalker.(3,3.4,?)

                Projected Salary (11 players pre-FA's): $37.6M. Say $6-8M on wings FAs, and $1-2 on a cheap big: ~$44-47M.

                MINNY: Get the vet PG they want to be with Rubio, gain experience to go with their young team, both things they publicly stated they want. Potential starting lineup of KLove, DMilicic, MBeasley, WJohnson/FGarcia, RRubio.
                Bigs: KLove, DMilicic, JThompson, TMosgov, ARandolph
                Wings: MBeasley, FGarcia, WJohnson, OCasspi, WEllington, LHayward
                Point: RRubio, JCalderon.

                Projected Salary (13 players pre-FA): $45.9M

                SAC: trading pieces they have been shopping, the pick which they have been publicly shopping, gain a solid PG which they need who also plays good D, a scoring big that is complemented by DCousins and provides floor spread and scoring options next to TEvans, and a floor spreading SF, and they have lots of $$ to chase free agents which they say they are planning to do. Potential starting lineup of DCousin, ABargnani (SDalembert if they re-sign him), MWebster, TEvans, RFelton.
                Bigs: DCousins, ABargnani, DJackson, HWhiteside, FA's.
                Wings: TEvans, MWebster, DGreene, MThornton (re-sign), JTaylor, FAs.
                Point: RFelton, BUdrih, PJeter.

                Projected Salary (12 players pre-FA): $42.4M. Chase 2 bigs and a wing. They say they are looking to re-sign SDalembert (Houston, NYK also looking at him). Edit: +2 2nd rnd picks.

                DEN: Felton wants out to where he can start, get a solid backup to TLawson, get the #5 pick, a solid quick 6th man/emergency point to replace JR Smith and backup AAfflalo (who they openly want to keep), and Masai's discovery project in Alabi.
                DRAFT: KLeonard/ABurks/BBiyombo/JValenciunas/JVesely @#5, KFaried/JWilliams/MMorris/THoneycutt/THarris @#22.
                Bigs: Nene (?extension/re-sign?), AHarrington, CAnderson, KKoufos, SAlabi (KMart wants to re-sign - cheap? would they?), FAs.
                Wings: DGalinari, LBarbosa, #5 pick?, FA's (WChandler?, AAfflalo? both RFA's)
                PG: TLawson, LRidnour
                +#22 pick.

                Projected salary (11 players incl. draft pre-FA incl. RFA): $44.3M. (Edit note this includes Nene). ADD: +2nd rnd pick
                Last edited by Maleko; Wed May 18, 2011, 12:20 PM.

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                • #9
                  duncan wrote: View Post
                  How about some trade proposals where we don't give up our pick??
                  The Raps should have a company policy for the next 2-3 drafts to not trade any first round picks.
                  Only then will the franchise have some long-term sucess.
                  The two trades I put up have swapping - not giving up the pick.

                  Instead of complaining about other people's ideas, why not throw some of your own out here?

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                  • #10
                    Maleko wrote: View Post
                    I would adjust this, since SAC is shopping their pick as well, perhaps they flip their pick with us, (potentially for use in a further trade) How about add in Denver (and assuming Minny completes the signing of Rubio by the end of this month as they intend):

                    TOR: JFlynn, NPekovic, #2 Minny pick, #7 SAC pick, ATolliver.
                    MIN: JCalderon, FGarcia, JThompson, OCasspi, TMosgov.
                    SAC: RFelton, ABargnani, MWebster
                    DEN: #5 TOR pick, Barbosa, LRidnour, SAlabi.
                    (NOTE: sorry trade machine is freezing again, will post the link if I can get it to work again.)

                    DRAFT: Kanter @#2, KLeonard/ABurks/KThompson/KWalker/BKnight @#7.
                    TOR: Can draft Kanter and have a solid front court with the bigs attained, get a shot at a potential PG or wing at #7. Potential starting lineup of EKanter, ED, JJ, DD, Bayless/Knight/Walker.
                    Bigs: EKanter, EDavis, AJohnson, ATolliver, NPekovic (4,2,5.5,2,4.3)
                    Wings: DDerozan, JJohnson, LKleiza, maybe ABurks/KThompson/KLeonard, Free agents (WChandler, AAfflalo, KAzubuike, DCook, SWeems...) (2,1.8,4.6,2,3?+)
                    Point: JBayless, JFlynn, maybe BKnight/KWalker.(3,3.4,?)
                    Projected Salary (11 players pre-FA's): $37.6M. Say $6-8M on wings FAs, and $1-2 on a cheap big: ~$44-47M.

                    MINNY: Get the vet PG they want to be with Rubio, gain experience to go with their young team, both things they publicly stated they want. Potential starting lineup of KLove, DMilicic, MBeasley, WJohnson/FGarcia, RRubio.
                    Bigs: KLove, DMilicic, JThompson, TMosgov, ARandolph
                    Wings: MBeasley, FGarcia, WJohnson, OCasspi, WEllington, LHayward
                    Point: RRubio, JCalderon.
                    Projected Salary (13 players pre-FA): $45.9M

                    SAC: trading pieces they have been shopping, the pick which they have been publicly shopping, gain a solid PG which they need who also plays good D, a scoring big that is complemented by DCousins and provides floor spread and scoring options next to TEvans, and a floor spreading SF, and they have lots of $$ to chase free agents which they say they are planning to do. Potential starting lineup of DCousin, ABargnani (SDalembert if they re-sign him), MWebster, TEvans, RFelton.
                    Bigs: DCousins, ABargnani, DJackson, HWhiteside, FA's.
                    Wings: TEvans, MWebster, DGreene, MThornton (re-sign), JTaylor, FAs.
                    Point: RFelton, BUdrih, PJeter.
                    Projected Salary (12 players pre-FA): $42.4M. Chase 2 bigs and a wing. They say they are looking to re-sign SDalembert (Houston, NYK also looking at him).

                    DEN: Felton wants out to where he can start, get a solid backup to TLawson, get the #5 pick, a solid quick 6th man/emergency point to replace JR Smith and backup AAfflalo (who they openly want to keep), and Masai's discovery project in Alabi.
                    DRAFT: KLeonard/ABurks/BBiyombo/JValenciunas/JVesely @#5, KFaried/JWilliams/MMorris/THoneycutt/THarris @#22.
                    Bigs: Nene (?extension/re-sign?), AHarrington, CAnderson, KKoufos, SAlabi (KMart wants to re-sign - cheap? would they?), FAs.
                    Wings: DGalinari, LBarbosa, #5 pick?, FA's (WChandler?, AAfflalo? both RFA's)
                    PG: TLawson, LRidnour
                    +#22 pick.
                    Projected salary (11 players incl. draft pre-FA incl. RFA): $44.3M.
                    DEN's number one need, in my opinion, is going to be PF. If Williams slipped to 5 then I could see this working.

                    CLE: Irving
                    TOR: Kanter
                    UTA: Knight (Utah is supposedly very high on him)
                    CLE: Leonard
                    DEN: Williams

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                    • #11
                      Matt52 wrote: View Post
                      The two trades I put up have swapping - not giving up the pick.

                      Instead of complaining about other people's ideas, why not throw some of your own out here?
                      In my mind; swapping is giving up the pick. The team is still only ending up with one pick. Let's use our other assets to aquire a pick, and then have 2.

                      And I wasn't "complaining" about anyone's ideas, I love reading trade proposals, and I'm more than happy to let people voice their opinion without shitting all over them. I was "complaining" about the concept of giving up the #5 pick.

                      Now your 4-way deal looks good, as the raps are sending out the #5, but getting back the #2 and #7. That kind of idea I can get behind.

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                      • #12
                        Matt52 wrote: View Post
                        DEN's number one need, in my opinion, is going to be PF. If Williams slipped to 5 then I could see this working.

                        CLE: Irving
                        TOR: Kanter
                        UTA: Knight (Utah is supposedly very high on him)
                        CLE: Leonard
                        DEN: Williams
                        Or they could take Biyombo, TThompson etc, they also have their 22 pick where JWilliams,KFaried/THarris etc. could all be available.

                        As I look at it from each team standpoint:
                        DEN: gives up a backup PG who wants out, and a big who played 6mins/gm for the #5 pick in the draft, a solid backup PG, a solid 6th man (who is also an expiring), and my own personal discovery/project (Alabi). Give up little/what needs to be gotten rid of, for needs and potential, and all for basically the same $$. Increase their # players. No brainer in my mind. They may even need to give up another pick (their 2nd rounder?) to get this.

                        MINNY: gives up role players/want to get rid-ofs for what they say they want: vet PG who happens to be friends with my most coveted player in Rubio (Calderon), experienced players (Calderon, Garcia), serviceable bigs that maintains the # of bigs on the team, a potential solid SF (Casspi) all for $3M more in salary and a pick they say they don't want. Maintain their # of players. Makes sense, and if they want what they say they want, this gets it done.

                        SAC: gives up role players that they have been shopping, and a pick they have been shopping, for 3 probable starters/first off the bench guys that fill their needs (Felton, Bargnani, Webster). They take on more salary which they have LOTS of room for, and still have $$ for FA's. Maintain their # players. Makes sense imo for them.

                        TOR: well they take the chance on PG or BKnight/KWalker available at #7, but gain salary flex, lots of depth at the 4/5, but needs depth at the wing positions. If BC can divorce himself from Bargnani, then this is a no-brainer for the Raps.

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                        • #13
                          I'm not sure why the team would acquire several more unproven young talents in the draft, our roster is already one of the youngest in the league, we need veterans to help the team grow and mature. I think the only move we should make is to acquire Kanter by trading Calderon and #5 for wolves' #2 and a role player, then trade Bargnani for Wilson Chandler/Felton + future draft choice.
                          We will then have the MLE to pick up some solid veteran role players/backups for the team.

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                          • #14
                            keefec wrote: View Post
                            I'm not sure why the team would acquire several more unproven young talents in the draft, our roster is already one of the youngest in the league, we need veterans to help the team grow and mature. I think the only move we should make is to acquire Kanter by trading Calderon and #5 for wolves' #2 and a role player, then trade Bargnani for Wilson Chandler/Felton + future draft choice.
                            We will then have the MLE to pick up some solid veteran role players/backups for the team.
                            The problem with our youth is none are screaming franchise player or perrenial all-star. At best they look like complimentary piees who may one day appear in an ASG.

                            Chandler is a free agent.

                            MLE might not be in new CBA. Everything may, and most likely will, change after July 1st - or once the lock out is over.

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                            • #15
                              I think Demar could be that guy, but I think a better solution is not to get future all-stars through the draft (unless they are proven, such as John Wall when he came into the league) packaging 2+ players that are potential all stars (Demar + Bargnani for example) can probably net us someone that's a lot more proven.
                              and I meant sign & trade for the chandler deal, expecting him to make 8-9 mil in the first year of his contract.
                              The new CBA just ruins everything to be honest, but I'm for the idea of every team able to put a lock on their franchise player by forcing them to stay with one team (?)

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