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    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

    Lakers: Hinrich
    Hawks: Barbosa
    Raptors: from LA, one of Morris or a draft pick (Mavs or Lakers); and from Atlanta, PHX 2012 2nd round pick.


    Raptors add about $7M in cap space, combined with $6M they currently have, sign Wilson Chandler to a contract that is reasonable and likely won't get matched by Denver considering they have $18M tied up in Afflalo and Gallinari per season.

  • #2
    I like this idea, fairly reasonable. I would be happy with a first and second rounder for Barbosa, it is better than if he just leaves after the season.
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    • #3
      I would say Morris and their first rounder.
      I know they are high on Morris, but getting Hinrich for a first rounder seems very cheap.
      Then we get another young and cheap player

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      • #4
        I like that deal. Atlanta is $1.4M in the luxury tax before the trade. That shaves $500K which they may like as an added benefit. Lakers get their PG (one that they were rumoured to be interested in in 2011). Atlanta gets a good 6th man to replace Crawford, and we get another pick.

        I'm not sure Atlanta would throw in a draft pick (even a 2nd rounder) since the move is lateral for them, but I'm okay without it.

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        • #5
          Like the idea especially if Morris and a pick, but I would bet Lakers would try to pawn off Fisher or Blake instead.

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          • #6
            Maleko wrote: View Post
            Like the idea especially if Morris and a pick, but I would bet Lakers would try to pawn off Fisher or Blake instead.
            If they did we would say no.
            Even in this trade their making away like bandits, Hinirch for Morris straight up?

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            • #7
              Hello wrote: View Post
              If they did we would say no.
              Even in this trade their making away like bandits, Hinirch for Morris straight up?

              The idea behind this trade is to get some more assets to possibly make a run on a top level talent and clear cap space THIS SEASON to get Wilson Chandler upon return from China.

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              • #8
                Good trade, mutually beneficial.
                @sweatpantsjer

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                • #9
                  Matt52 wrote: View Post
                  The idea behind this trade is to get some more assets to possibly make a run on a top level talent and clear cap space THIS SEASON to get Wilson Chandler upon return from China.
                  I do realize that. But at the same time, I feel like we could still get another draft pick from LA (either to make another deal with, or to get another young player) which would not cost us more cap space.

                  I do like the trade from our perspective, getting morris and more cap space to sign Chandler
                  but from a lakers perspective they are getting a veteran Pg/Sg who is a great shooter and a strong defender for an unproven (so far) Morris. I just feel like Colangelo could get another draft pick from LA.

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                  • #10
                    Hello wrote: View Post
                    I do realize that. But at the same time, I feel like we could still get another draft pick from LA (either to make another deal with, or to get another young player) which would not cost us more cap space.

                    I do like the trade from our perspective, getting morris and more cap space to sign Chandler
                    but from a lakers perspective they are getting a veteran Pg/Sg who is a great shooter and a strong defender for an unproven (so far) Morris. I just feel like Colangelo could get another draft pick from LA.
                    Possibly. The problem LA might have is their roster is, overall, old as currently constructed. Trading a young point guard and multiple draft picks will not help with the transition in years to come. Also, picking up $7-$8M for the Lakers is actually $14-16M with the cap space.

                    I'd really like to know what players value around the league is. I think you might be valuing Barbosa too much but I can also see, understand, and appreciate the idea his value is more as well.

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                    • #11
                      I probably am over valuing Barbosa (doesnt everyone with our own players? :P), but what I think it really comes down to is:

                      1) How long do the lakers expect to keep competing?

                      I know they have always been the most dangerous team in the league, but with Kobe and Gasol getting older their chances are running out. Are they willing to sacrifice some young players to get more veteran and play off tested players, or do they start stocking up on young players now for when their stars stop winning?

                      2) How much are they willing to spend?

                      I know some people thought the odom trade was about saving money, and by taking on barbosa they are taking on a lot of salary.

                      I think only the Lakers orginization can answer those questions, so for us, everything is a mystery.

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                      • #12
                        One thing to consider as well about the LA picks as that they could be saving them for Howard. Orlando's best deal could be Bynum and the two draft picks. That might beat anything NJ, LAC, Dallas (and Boston now) could give them. I don't think Buss/Kupchack would give up one of those picks this season for a rental when they can land the best center in the game next season for those same picks. But I could be wrong.

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                        • #13
                          planetmars wrote: View Post
                          One thing to consider as well about the LA picks as that they could be saving them for Howard. Orlando's best deal could be Bynum and the two draft picks. That might beat anything NJ, LAC, Dallas (and Boston now) could give them. I don't think Buss/Kupchack would give up one of those picks this season for a rental when they can land the best center in the game next season for those same picks. But I could be wrong.
                          But Howard could just as easily pull a Bosh and Lebron and simply walk away from Orlando to LA.
                          I still think that LA is his preferred (and best suited) destination.
                          If they can get him to sign, they may want to trade for example Morris, a pick and Walton? for Barbosa's expiring contract

                          If they trade their pick (or both)/ and or morris with walton, im sure someone will give them an expiring contract(hopefully us).

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                          • #14
                            Hello wrote: View Post
                            I probably am over valuing Barbosa (doesnt everyone with our own players? :P), but what I think it really comes down to is:

                            1) How long do the lakers expect to keep competing?

                            I know they have always been the most dangerous team in the league, but with Kobe and Gasol getting older their chances are running out. Are they willing to sacrifice some young players to get more veteran and play off tested players, or do they start stocking up on young players now for when their stars stop winning?

                            2) How much are they willing to spend?

                            I know some people thought the odom trade was about saving money, and by taking on barbosa they are taking on a lot of salary.

                            I think only the Lakers orginization can answer those questions, so for us, everything is a mystery.
                            I keep seeing this reference to the Lakers looking to save money, but nothing of that fits with what they have done or are reportedly trying to do (get CPaul, DHoward, DWilliams etc.). It came out during the Odom crap but he told them he would not play for them anymore and they made a quick deal. I have yet to see something from the Lakers themselves say they are trying to cut payroll, just being perpetuated by bloggers and media. Really, if they said publicly they would cut payroll, Kobe would have a sh&tfit.

                            It is interesting to see what might happen with Gasol though, considering how he has been back hand slapping the coaching lately, but DHoward has said he would like to play with him. Quite the conundrum.

                            Hello wrote: View Post
                            But Howard could just as easily pull a Bosh and Lebron and simply walk away from Orlando to LA.
                            I still think that LA is his preferred (and best suited) destination.
                            If they can get him to sign, they may want to trade for example Morris, a pick and Walton? for Barbosa's expiring contract

                            If they trade their pick (or both)/ and or morris with walton, im sure someone will give them an expiring contract(hopefully us).
                            Still would have to get Orlando to play ball in a S&T since there is less than zero cap space in LA to sign big deals...unless of course Howard wants to sign for the mini-mid-level exception. It would certainly distinguish him from Shaq if he truly worries about that one!

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                            • #15
                              I've been thinking about trade scenarios regarding Calderon and Barbosa a lot.... I mean a lot. Like when my wife asks, "What are you thinking about?" as I drift off in to space and I say, "Uh, nothing?" I'm thinking about trading Calderon and Barbosa.


                              I think this might be my definitive final answer to trading them both with an eye to the future with cap space, financial flexibility, and acquiring assets.

                              Two trades would be required to make it work and would have to happen after March 1st with the Lakers clearly out of the running for Dwight Howard:

                              Trade 1: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=77jeyw4

                              ATL: Barbosa, Gray
                              TOR: Morris, 2012 1st round pick from the Hawks or 2 2012 2nd round picks from the Hawks (ATL & PHX)
                              LAL: Kirk Hinrich

                              Trade 2: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3o2ugv4

                              LAL: Calderon
                              TOR: Hinrich, 2012 1st round pick from LAL (one of DAL or LAL)

                              The second trade on the trade machine link has Atlanta but that is to only show that the trade does satisfy the number requirements of the CBA. Essentially, the Lakers immediately send Hinrich to Toronto for Calderon. Remember individual players can be traded on their own an infinite number of times which is why Q. Richardson was traded 5 or 6 times in the summer of 2010.


                              Both trades combined (i.e. looking at the final result) would look like this:

                              ATL: Barbosa, Gray
                              LAL: Calderon
                              TOR: Morris, Hinrich, 1st round pick or 2 2nd round picks from Hawks in 2012, 1st round pick from Lakers in 2012


                              Why would teams do this?

                              Atlanta gets a Jamal Crawford replacement. They are thin on C's (Horford injury and Collins leaves them with just Pachulia) and Gray has shown he can play productive minutes. Both are expiring contracts so it leaves the Hawks with flexibility moving forward.

                              The Lakers get a solution to their biggest problem: no PG. It only helps that his presence might help Pau Gasol's play due to the history.

                              Toronto gets financial flexibility, a young prospect at PG with great size and known as a 'pass first' PG. Here is what DraftExpress.com had to say about him last year leading in to the draft:

                              When talking about the most improved players in the country this season, Michigan's Darius Morris has to be in the conversation. The sophomore point guard has increased his numbers across the board and made the leap from an unproductive freshman to one of the top guards in the Big Ten.

                              From a physical standpoint, Morris has great size and length for the point guard position at 6'4” with a very impressive frame. Always looking to make things happen with the ball in his hands, Morris is capable of overpowering defenders with his solid first step and extremely aggressive mentality, similar to the way Tyreke Evans did at Memphis a few years back. While he may not possess jet-quickness by NBA standards, his size and strength are major assets on both ends of the floor and give him a huge physical advantage at the point guard position.

                              Running the point for a young Michigan team, Morris has really stood out with his ability to utilize his size, ball-handling ability, and craftiness to get into the paint and make plays. His ability to finish in the lane and in the midrange area is highlighted by the fact that he's shooting an excellent 56% on 2-pointers so far this season, where he's shown that he's capable of finishing in a variety ways. He's also doing a much better job drawing contact at the rim this season, as he's getting to the line at a much rate than he did as a freshman.

                              The area where Morris has really stood out and made strides this season has been as a distributor. Aided by the fact that he's asked to handle the ball and create shots for himself and his teammates dozens of times per game, he's shown to have a solid feel for making drive and dish plays, even if there's still plenty of room for improvement. He's clearly embraced his role as the Wolverine's primary ball-handler and playmaker, nearly doubling his assist rate from last season.

                              Morris is dishing out 8.8 assists per 40 minutes pace adjusted this season, which leads all players in our database. For a player who last season looked like he may not even be a point guard, that is a pretty incredible stat. With that said, we must consider the situation he's in right now, as he is asked to handle the ball virtually every second his team is on offense. This results in some very ugly possessions from time to time, where Morris will pound the ball incessantly or force the issue badly, leading to a huge amount of turnovers and low-percentage shots.

                              While his decision making can be very shaky at times, due to attempting to throw difficult passes or forcing up contested shots, he's adapting pretty well to his role this season, particularly as the year has moved on. Coach John Beilein has had no choice but to show the utmost confidence in Morris and his ability to run the team, altering his half-court philosophy dramatically from a stagnant motion offense to one centered around pick and rolls and isolation plays. This appears to have improved his team's offense—Michigan was just narrowly defeated by two of the top teams in the NCAA in Michigan State and Kansas this past week—and has allowed Morris to emerge as an interesting draft prospect in turn.

                              Morris can become even a much more dangerous player if he can continue to improve as a perimeter shooter. His 3-point shooting is up slightly to 27.9% this season, from a miserable 18% as a freshman, and his free throw shooting has risen from 63% to 77%. Clearly he put in some work shooting the ball over the summer. With that said, he still has plenty of room for improvement. He isn't particularly effective as a shooter with his feet set, and while he's more comfortable shooting off the dribble, he still takes some bad shots and doesn't have great range. If he can become a reliable shooter from 3-point range, it should really open up his slashing game and make him an even tougher matchup for opposing point guards.

                              Defensively, Morris has the potential to be a solid defender at the NBA level. He has ideal size and length for a point guard, he moves well laterally, and he plays with good energy. He'll need to improve on defending the ball-handler on pick-and-rolls and work harder at fighting through screens, but he can get better with that in time.

                              Another plus for him defensively is that he's big enough to be able to cover most shooting guards, which would enable him to be able to play in different backcourt combinations and give his coach flexibility on the defensively depending on matchups.

                              Overall, it's still a bit premature to jump to too many conclusions regarding Morris's NBA prospects, but through sixteen games of this season, he's certainly managed to turn some heads. His dramatic improvement from his freshman to sophomore season is very encouraging, and he is definitely a player to keep an eye on as he goes through Big Ten play.

                              While Morris may not be able to operate offensively in the NBA in quite the same manner as he does at Michigan currently, his size and knack for getting into the lane and making plays is definitely intriguing. As he continues to add polish and improve as a perimeter shooter and decision maker, he'll likely be a player we talk much more about in the future.

                              From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1lWbA8lhD
                              http://www.draftexpress.com
                              The increased cap space would allow the Raptors to entertain the idea of signing Wilson Chandler. Also, the addition of multiple draft picks come draft night (2 or 3 first round picks and 1 or 3 second round picks) and a roster with a starting SG/SF in Wilson Chandler would allow the Raptors to entertain the idea of including other assets (WC, DeMar, ED, Amir, JJ, own draft pick) in a package to acquire a true difference maker. Then, come the off season, I would be looking to re-sign both Barbosa and Gray as they are both UFA's this summer.



                              Personally, I really like the above. It is never easy to let go of players who have been on your team for a long time but, at the end of the day, there has not been a lot of success with those pieces during their time in Toronto.
                              Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sun Feb 5, 2012, 01:47 PM.

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