I bet he'd be an all star by now if pop was his coach his whole career
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Let's ask this instead:
Who do you think would have more trade value -- DeRozan right now, or Gay, if we had traded DeRozan first.
I'd prefer we got rid of both, but I feel like it'll be hard to trade DeRozan now because it doesn't really help matters much unless someone is offering their 2014 lottery pick.
Talent wise Rudy would have been a better option.. but MU feared his player option, and I think MU wanted to tank (it just backfired).
Rudy is also good defensively as DeMar (arguably better) so the defensive effort would have been sustained. I don't know if I can say the same for ball movement but I would assume it would have improved just as well as it did after the Rudy trade with one less ball stopper on the team.
The key though is would DD have delivered Patterson? Pat-squared is one of the main reasons why the team has been so successful post-trade.
take note that despite the huge discrepancies in FG% placement, that accounts for ALL players without accounting for attempts, so its not as crazy bad as it seems. but still, its not great.
Interesting that Rudy is playing better after the trade but can anyone answer whether he is more "efficient"?
Man, I have both Demar and Rudy in my fantasy team. Take a wild guess who's hurting it more? Rudy has responded well and needed an alpha dog to find his game again. As for Demar, his weak handles and long 2's is wearing thin. Very thin.
Rudy is on a terror with the Kings... that deal was totally about his player option and this off season. like someone already mentioned above... MU didnt expect we would win this many games; well he himself admitted that in one of the interview aired on NBA TV Canada the other day.
Im just wondering, what do you guys think our offence would consist of without Derozan taking all of the shots he takes? What other offence do we truly have? He's not playing iso offence rudy gay style; he's getting good lucks, but things have changed since late December. Why?
DC literally runs the same handful of plays every game, and given how obvious they are, we are seeing defences close out on DD and block his way to the rim. In DD's defence, he plays a ton of minutes a night, and we can see when his legs are tiring. I remember seeing this way back when the Raps were in Miami and lost their lead early in the 4th quarter. Derozan couldn't get anything to fall while Miami showed their prowess and won the game. To me this shows how important he is to our offence, and how even he accepts being the 'bate' on offence by playing extended in minutes and drawing attention. The only way to retain that attention is, as necessary, to take more shots. Shocker.
What about the other starters? No one else can step up. T Ross's shot has been inconsistent, and JV (despite receiving a severe shortage of touches) is prone to taking poor shots as well over defenders. He has an arsenal consisting of 2 or so moves, and still has yet to grow. Amir has been disappointing of late. KL has been the bright spot overall with his 'brilliant' 43.8% shooting. If anything, JV can get more touches, but him scoring even 16-17 ppg doesn't make him any better of a first option than Derozan.
Honestly, is there any other potential first scoring option on our team? Clearly not in the eyes of the the coaching staff. I would love to see the Bigs get involved more, and more than anything, see Derozan take it to the rim off screens instead of pull up all the time. But is there truly anything more we can get from this core group on offence as of now?
I agree with much that has been said in this thread, but Demar and Lowry are the only reason we have been a 'consistent' 20-20 this season, and both guys are playing their hearts out. I just can't understand how outlooks change when, for example Derozan scores 26 on 9/24 shooting to lead us to the W over the Pacers( with 9 boards, 3 assists)[people are happy], to today, where people complain about Derozan's 10/24 shooting for 25 points vs the Bobcats in a loss (6 boards, 2 assists) when he was the reason we retained any dignity in the first half with the way he was playing. In the second half, he got shut down, but the attention he grabbed allowed the slumping Lowry (9-22) and Vasquez to bring us back into the game. Ultimately, our other All star Kyle Lowry missed the game tying free throw, but that was luck of the draw. As a fan, I appreciate their effort for fighting back and not letting this game go down as a blowout. But look at the bigger picture.
In both cases, Derozan brought it. Only difference, our bigs didn't.
To put this into context, last year when James Harden was given the reigns to an offence, he averaged 25 ppg on 43.8%. Demar, who for the first time has become our team's clear leader on offence, is averaging 21 ppg on 42%. Demar is no James Harden, but he has put in vast amount of work to come just a fraction closer to his offensive brilliance. If Demar was a better 3 point shooter, he too could put up 25 ppg on 43% by simply shooting more 3's and less 2's. The point his, he has become a legitimate scoring threat and is fully capable of dropping 22 ppg consistently. Lets not forget Derozan's improving defence either.
Demar wasn't supposed to become an all star in this league. Yet he is giving it is all for this team, and is working hard to step up. He hasn't hit his peak yet, and he continues to grow as a player and leader. He is showing fire and leadership. Leadership sometimes requires taking the tough shots.
Last time we faced the mavs, demar got shut down, yet he had 9 assists and came up big with what was the game winner in overtime. He has the fire to be great, and I think he will be, so long as he continues to put himself in the leadership position and take the tough shots.
That, my friends, is adaptive leadership.
Being the shining star on some nights
While being the rough gem in the dirt on others.
Point is, we have done what so many have said we wouldn't do, and that is to win games.
Just my 2 cents.
How many points per shot does harden get? Compare it to DeRozan. It is incredible.
Basketball is not 1 on 5.
Check raptors response to DeRozan on bench vs Dallas in 2nd quarter... Team ball trumps all.
Vasquez, Hayes, Amir, salmons, and Ross has taken 34-15 game to 38-32 in 6 minutes.
Wowza! DeMar's making me eat a little crow tonight. Dude's having a career game this evening. :)