Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

for this team to move forward and begin to rebuild properly.....you can keep Calderon for now,but bargnani has to go..if he can maintain a decent scoring avg you try to move him in the new year...enough is enough..the points dont matter but the writing is on the wall.
You cant win with a guy in the middle who wont rebound or defend...cant.

Trade and begin the process of acquiring thru trade or draft some legit centers who play big at both ends...enough of this perimeter shooting crap..its been a fail from day one.

If BC has to go in order for this guy to get dealt then get rid of bryan as well....Time for some REAL proactiveness...this guy isnt working and its not going to get better...

stop it djeez the whole team is playing like shit

Game's not even over yet, you could have waited but I understand, it was just too tempting. I stopped watching when he was at 3-12 FG, 7pts, 0rebs.

The guy will always have some great nights (Orlando) and will suffer through terrible ones like this one. If there's one thing that has been established very well in his 4+ year career so far it's that he will never be a consistent scorer who will carry your team 70% of the time and will always be a poor defender.

He is the ultimate Anti-Center, probably not a starter in the league but a decent bench option nonetheless.

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Trife76 wrote:

for this team to move forward and begin to rebuild properly.....you can keep Calderon for now,but bargnani has to go..if he can maintain a decent scoring avg you try to move him in the new year...enough is enough..the points dont matter but the writing is on the wall.
You cant win with a guy in the middle who wont rebound or defend...cant.

Trade and begin the process of acquiring thru trade or draft some legit centers who play big at both ends...enough of this perimeter shooting crap..its been a fail from day one.

If BC has to go in order for this guy to get dealt then get rid of bryan as well....Time for some REAL proactiveness...this guy isnt working and its not going to get better...

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+1

I've been a bargnani fan for since day 1, I've cheered for him, but I've reached my boiling point, it is clearly a lack of effort, he shows flashes that he is capable but he's mentally not in it, I watched the game tonight, you guys are right, he's playing like a cancer which is not good. Triano is not holding bargniani accountable and he's not rewarding players that are playing well with more playing time. Very inconsistant coaching leads to inconsistant play, the coach is part of the problem too.

Wow trife76, you should seriously meet the other dude on this forum, "legalize it", and mellow. This whole season is going to be frustrating and long. Every player on this team has sucked the big one at least once this season and by season's end every player will have blown large in so many games its going to be a gang bang bukake with a swimming pool full of spooge. Lighten-up and enjoy the ride. There will be many more games like this, and take your pick on the player who will have you ripping your hair out. It just so happens to be Bargs in this one.

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Arsenalist wrote:

Game's not even over yet, you could have waited but I understand, it was just too tempting. I stopped watching when he was at 3-12 FG, 7pts, 0rebs.

The guy will always have some great nights (Orlando) and will suffer through terrible ones like this one. If there's one thing that has been established very well in his 4+ year career so far it's that he will never be a consistent scorer who will carry your team 70% of the time and will always be a poor defender.

He is the ultimate Anti-Center, probably not a starter in the league but a decent bench option nonetheless.

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+1. Enough's enough. Don't throw away the fans' season because of stupidity.

You can't blame Bargs. We got killed by Washingtons big men for sure, but we also got burned at every other position

Although Dorsey getting more rebounds in 5 mins then Bargs gets in 28 mins indicates Bargs isn't playing the game right...

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Nick wrote:

Although Dorsey getting more rebounds in 5 mins then Bargs gets in 28 mins indicates Bargs isn't playing the game right...

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Dorsey was playing in garbage time. That said, I hope he gets more min.

Although I FULLY agree with the idea that Bargs has to go, it isn't the right time to maximize his value. Right now you'd probably be looking at dumping him for a bad player with a shorter contract and maybe a draft pick, but if you wait for injuries to hit around the trade deadline and/or for his scoring average to pass 20ppg, you'll be looking at a far more valuable commodity.

Perhaps this analogy may make more sense to some, especially to those that are crying to relax. Let's say you work for a company and belong to a production team. Your boss decides to bring in someone to work with the team but not under any leadership capacity. You are all making the same coin with similar levels of responsibility. Come evaluation time, you noticed that even though the guy they brought in is not working as hard as you, he is getting better reviews and hence better bonuses, etc. This goes on for years. How would you, including the rest of the equally hard-working team members feel? Would you feel motivated to work harder to get noticed by upper management? Do you rally with the rest of the team to work harder so that upper management recognizes your collective efforts and not so much the guy that was brought in? Where would your level of motivation be? This my friends, is the Toronto Raptors.

Just like any job, pro team sports are just like anything else in life. So at 2-9, do some of you still want to relax? I understand it's just a game. I understand that it's just for entertainment. The game tonight was neither a game nor was it entertaining. Perhaps I should just cancel my HD sports package and save me some cash huh? Perhaps, an occasional game at the ACC (paying full price for several tickets) would be the thing of the past right?

Bargs needs to be held accountable, smacked up side the head... something to induce some level of effort on nights where his shot isn't falling. With an elite PG and elite big along side him, a hard assed coach, some sort of off season conditioning regiment more strenuous than clubbing with super models and maybe a gun held to his head he may be able to do something. Nice to see Truehoop acknowledge that 2006 was just a terrible draft - at least he isn't Adam Morrison.

Would you guys trade AB for Bougut ?

"He is the ultimate Anti-Center, probably not a starter in the league but a decent bench option nonetheless. "

I think AB's potential is Mehmet Okur of Utah.

The starting lineup needs to changed.

The Doug Smith rotation is a friggen disaster, straight up.

Evans and Bargnani are terrible together on defense and offense.

Hopefully Triano will see the light.

The starters are getting out scored every game, game after game.

So what does a smart coach do?

He changes the friggen starting lineup.

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At this rate, I would trade Bargs for toe nail clippers. At least the clippers have use. Honestly, Doug Smith proclaims that fans in Toronto have less love for someone like Bargs compared to casual observers outside of TO. Well, hello Doug, if you're a casual observer, then you won't see how your number one overall pick functions on the court with his own rebounding assistant. To answer your question, I'd trade him for Nene or Bogut or Biedrins or Okafor or Kaman or even Bynum. They'd love Bargs in the "run-n-gun" west coast style offence where the big men can roam freely while camping beyond the 3-point line or often shooting over players that are a foot shorter than them. Send Bargs to the West...

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Raptor4Ever wrote:

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I'd trade her in a second for Bogut. Heck, Bogut could miss 10-15 games a year for us and I'd still be happy with the trade.

It's Andrea's fifth season and she's never been anything but an inconsistent scorer. It's clear we need a stay-at-home defending/rebounding C, he'd be an amazing addition. But it would never happen... I wouldn't trade my gold chain for anything imitation, and I doubt that Bucks GM Jon Hammond would do the same with his C position.

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Buddahfan wrote:

The starting lineup needs to changed.

The Doug Smith rotation is a friggen disaster, straight up.

Evans and Bargnani are terrible together on defense and offense.

Hopefully Triano will see the light.

The starters are getting out scored every game, game after game.

So what does a smart coach do?

He changes the friggen starting lineup.

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Bargs is far from "terrible" on offense. He's just having a couple bad games.

Weren't you guys on about Amir after the first 4 games too? Now everyone is all quiet. You guys need to stop overreacting after every couple of games and wait till the end of the season before taking shots at someone.

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RaptorsFan4Life wrote:

Bargs is far from "terrible" on offense. He's just having a couple bad games.

Weren't you guys on about Amir after the first 4 games too? Now everyone is all quiet. You guys need to stop overreacting after every couple of games and wait till the end of the season before taking shots at someone.

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OK, how's this, he's been in the league for 4 years. I realize that 4 games is much different that 4 years. This constant pampering is a detriment to Bargs' game while costing the Raptors winnable games.