Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

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Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:01 PM
Deadallus

Typical nonsensical over analysis. I don't know about you guys, but in all the basketball I have watched I have never seen a player curl around a screen, take a pass, pull out a calculator, plug in some numbers (distance from the hoop, shot trajectory, ball rotation, speed the ball is travelling) prior to shooting.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:10 PM
joey_hesketh

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malefax wrote:

The most interesting thing about this stat is it is a +/- thing that doesn't say Bargs is garbage. basketballvalue also meaures +/- and says Bargs is complete trash.

So we have two +/- measures that totally contradict each other. Which is correct? Dunno.

But right now Bargs is playing hurt, and his defense is better this year than last. So I'm not unhappy with him.

The reason the two +/- stats differ is because one is a RAW +/-, and the other compensates for ones Crappy Teammates and Better Opponents. Suppose they are both correct... just depends what your definition of correct is.
They follow their own formulas, and using these formulas spit out 'Correct' results. Whether the formula is flawed is probably the better question.
And I'm not sure his defense is any better this year over last. At least last year he seemed to enjoy blocking shots. This year he's completely forgotten how!
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:14 PM
Balls of Steel

The irony in all of this is that numbers are used to justify Barg's or any other player's status. However, good players (the ones that matter to their teams the most) can never be measured by numbers - intangibles such as heart, passion and effort in the truest sense of these words. The only thing we can discuss as far as this player is concerned is just numbers simply because he really has nothing else to offer (or elements of his game that one cannot measure).
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:22 PM
Multipaul

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yertu damkule wrote:

sigh. i'm not simmons' biggest fan by any means, but the dump he took this morning had more basketball acumen in it than you'll ever have, my friend.

i do have one request - go play the game. find a group of guys, pick up a ball, head to a gym, and play. but what i want you to do is focus on the one guy who's just there to jack shots, who doesn't understand their defensive/rebounding responsibilities, and who could give two shits about the concept of team basketball. trust me, there's always at least one...of course, in the almost infinitesimally small chance that you do play, i'm guessing that YOU'RE that guy....which would explain a lot.

Wow..that was clever, that might have been the wittiest thing to ever come out of Halifax. Isn't there a "Sloan" concert you should be at. One day when they install basketball courts in Nova Scotia you should come back and post here.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:31 PM
Krix

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Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:42 PM
Raptor4Ever

Good on Evans for sticking up for his teammate.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 01:17 PM
yertu damkule

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Multipaul wrote:

Wow..that was clever, that might have been the wittiest thing to ever come out of Halifax. Isn't there a "Sloan" concert you should be at. One day when they install basketball courts in Nova Scotia you should come back and post here.

no no...THAT was clever. i mean, i know you know that there are basketball courts in NS (you do realize that Halifax hosted the CIS championship for a couple decades, right? and is doing so this year? right?), but the insinuations that we're an ass-backwards part of the country never gets old. hey, i'm proud of where i'm from. i've lived all over this country, but i came back here because i wanted to have a healthier work/life balance, and though at the time we moved back kids were a far-off thought, now that i have a daughter, the fact we live where we do is reassuring. you can mock that if you like, but i'm not sure it does anything but make you look like a close-minded fool. well, MORE of a close-minded fool.

and sloan was/is a good band. not a personal favourite (though 'underwhelmed' is awesome...and kind of fitting for a raptor fan), but pretty good.

now, if you'll excuse me, i have to ski-doo home & prepare our meal of whale blubber.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 01:41 PM
Multipaul

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yertu damkule wrote:

no no...THAT was clever. i mean, i know you know that there are basketball courts in NS (you do realize that Halifax hosted the CIS championship for a couple decades, right? and is doing so this year? right?), but the insinuations that we're an ass-backwards part of the country never gets old. hey, i'm proud of where i'm from. i've lived all over this country, but i came back here because i wanted to have a healthier work/life balance, and though at the time we moved back kids were a far-off thought, now that i have a daughter, the fact we live where we do is reassuring. you can mock that if you like, but i'm not sure it does anything but make you look like a close-minded fool. well, MORE of a close-minded fool.

and sloan was/is a good band. not a personal favourite (though 'underwhelmed' is awesome...and kind of fitting for a raptor fan), but pretty good.

now, if you'll excuse me, i have to ski-doo home & prepare our meal of whale blubber.

what about Thrush Hermit?
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:10 PM
DunkinDerozan

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Apollo wrote:

When Carter left, Bosh was only half way through his second season at the age of 19 years old. Bargnani is 25 years old. See where I'm going with this?

no actually i dont care to explain
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:12 PM
DunkinDerozan

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Nine New Faces wrote:

So what's the excuse going to be for never having developed his defensive skills or rebounding?

3 more boards / game = top 15 rebounder in nba homie.. then whatchu gonna say
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:12 PM
matt

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Multipaul wrote:

Ahahahah, you called Chris Bosh an ant!

He wasn't talking about Bosh dude, read before you troll....
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:13 PM
DunkinDerozan

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j bean wrote:

The Magician has disappeared!

see its magic he just reappeared
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:13 PM
matt

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DunkinDerozan wrote:

3 more boards / game = top 15 rebounder in nba homie.. then whatchu gonna say

Well we can't excess your weird dreams so we're just going to keep reality in check.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:14 PM
DunkinDerozan

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matt wrote:

He wasn't talking about Bosh dude, read before you troll....

wow buddy we get the point, you take everything you read at face value.. your footer is a clear indication
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:18 PM
Tim W.

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yertu damkule wrote:

sigh. i'm not simmons' biggest fan by any means, but the dump he took this morning had more basketball acumen in it than you'll ever have, my friend.

i do have one request - go play the game. find a group of guys, pick up a ball, head to a gym, and play. but what i want you to do is focus on the one guy who's just there to jack shots, who doesn't understand their defensive/rebounding responsibilities, and who could give two shits about the concept of team basketball. trust me, there's always at least one...of course, in the almost infinitesimally small chance that you do play, i'm guessing that YOU'RE that guy....which would explain a lot.

I don't know why you respond, anymore. I have Multipaul, Frankthetank and Rapter4Ever on ignore, so I never see their posts, anymore. It makes this forum much, much nicer. I figure anyone who can't have a discussion without throwing in an insult or two if you outargue them has nothing relevant to add to any reasonable discussion.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:19 PM
DunkinDerozan

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Apollo wrote:

I think he has a lot of offense. Sounds like you don't but I will say this. A mouse casts a shadow over an ant.

bosh is the mouse broke lopez the ant
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:21 PM
Multipaul

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Tim W. wrote:

I don't know why you respond, anymore. I have Multipaul, Frankthetank and Rapter4Ever on ignore, so I never see their posts, anymore. It makes this forum much, much nicer. I figure anyone who can't have a discussion without throwing in an insult or two if you outargue them has nothing relevant to add to any reasonable discussion.

Glass houses eh timbo
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:21 PM
matt

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DunkinDerozan wrote:

wow buddy we get the point, you take everything you read at face value.. your footer is a clear indication

Well I can't see your face now can I?
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 02:34 PM
DunkinDerozan

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matt wrote:

Well I can't see your face now can I?

Dunkin Derozan is asked if matt can see his face?

"See Face" he says. That's the only reason it can be. I beleive everything I read. Iv got the judgement of a 4 year old, it's just sometimes I pretend to be smart.
Wed Feb 2nd, 2011, 03:00 PM
j bean

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DunkinDerozan wrote:

see its magic he just reappeared

If he could reappear just enough to help his team stop this slide then I'd agree with you..

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