bahahaha, seriously i doubt the dude is even in the police force. why the fuck in any situation would you need him or he need to be a sniper? this isn't cod, ya goomba.Quote:
Prime wrote:
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bahahaha, seriously i doubt the dude is even in the police force. why the fuck in any situation would you need him or he need to be a sniper? this isn't cod, ya goomba.Quote:
Prime wrote:
You're gonna put a caveat emptor on the guy because of one wild pitch?Quote:
Prime wrote:
The case in favour of Santos' is much greater as opposed to those against it. Santos' mental makeup, his salary, his team control and the fact that he doesn't have wear and tear on his arm like other pitchers are the major plusses. Jays fans aren't looking at him to be the savior, they're just looking at him at being an improvement over both Francisco and Rauch.
Bingo.Quote:
MangoKid wrote:
And judging by that wild pitch, he should be an improvement over Francisco! ;) haha
Next up in ridiculous posts: why Batting Average is essential in judging a prospect! why RBIs are an indicator of how "clutch" a batter is!Quote:
MangoKid wrote:
By the way, for those of you still high on Mariano Rivera, he had a WP last year, too. Sell high!
If you paid attention you'll I notice never said anything about pitch location or his intent to pitch either, other than the fact that he was off by >70 inches.Quote:
Ryan_1523 wrote:
If you have no reason to argue about it, then why did you bring it up? Your hypocrisy is not needed here.Quote:
Also, how would knowing the distance a ball is thrown from the center of the plate help me at all in life? Maybe if I had a reason to know it other than to argue about it online I might look into it, but I'm good for now, thanks.
I apologize if my initial post was not clear enough but my point should be rather obvious if you took a moment to think about it.Quote:
Can you really say your point was clear through your two line post? My initial reaction was trolling, now I see that you just would like people to stop thinking this guy is the best, I get it, I do. My point though is, why bother? Let people think what they want, I'm not saying don't post things to show your point of view on the guy but be a little more open minded about it.
However, you need to heed your own advice. Being open minded also means that you have to consider opposing points of views. Your eternal optimism is appreciated but what if Santos may very well be Kevin Gregg take two?
Can you stop with the judgmental BS? Yes everyone knows by now you're the Jays' #1 fan. Too bad you don't even live in Toronto.Quote:
The bottom line is, I'd rather think about the positives of the Jays and be optimistic about the future than be angry and bitter that the Jays don't meet my current expectations
While I agree that one pitch may be too small a sample to begin with, in this case it's still definitely something we can start with given the scenario shown.Quote:
MangoKid wrote:
Case in point: if Mariano Rivera threw a wild pitch in the bottom of the 9th with bases loaded on a full count would we still have this discussion?
Next up in terrible flamebaiting: slaw insults the mother of a RR member!Quote:
slaw wrote:
How many closers have had perfect seasons (in terms of conversions) in the past 25-30 years? Very few. Jays' fans don't expect the guy to convert every save oppourtunity - there are going to be blown saves - that's just part of the game. But to dismiss the guy right away because of one wild pitch is a bit too much.Quote:
Prime wrote:
To answer your question, if Mariano Rivera threw a wild pitch in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded on the full count, would I care? No. I wouldn't care if Santos did the same in the same situation. Closers are going to blow games from time to time, but Santos is a massive upgrade to a bullpen that blew a ton of saves last season. The key here is to minimize the blown saves and converting the oppourtunities.
Oh, and FYI: That game in the clip you posted was June 19, 2011. The White Sox won 8-2 in which Santos pitched a perfect 9th inning including 2 strikeouts - one of those punchouts was...... Willie Bloomquist.
But Santos didn't throw his WP with bases loaded and full count ... he threw his wild pitch on an 0-2 count with 2 outs and no one on Base AND the team up by 6 ...Quote:
Prime wrote:
Thats the perfect time for pitchers to try something really tough, and if its a blown throw, big deal, its still only just a ball on the count.
The .GIF doesn't really show me anything concerning to be honest.
it's almost easier to make the argument because of his c rating on mlb 11 the show.
Again, I didn't dismiss him. I just prefer not to linger in that state of eternal optimism you and Ryan seem to share.Quote:
MangoKid wrote:
Indeed. But Santos has nowhere near the rep or record of Mariano to show for it. Whereas Mariano might throw one wild pitch in every 150 innings Santos will probably have to settle for 4 or 5.Quote:
To answer your question, if Mariano Rivera threw a wild pitch in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded on the full count, would I care? No. I wouldn't care if Santos did the same in the same situation. Closers are going to blow games from time to time, but Santos is a massive upgrade to a bullpen that blew a ton of saves last season. The key here is to minimize the blown saves and converting the oppourtunities.
Correct.Quote:
Oh, and FYI: That game in the clip you posted was June 19, 2011. The White Sox won 8-2 in which Santos pitched a perfect 9th inning including 2 strikeouts - one of those punchouts was...... Willie Bloomquist.
And that's perfectly fine. I like the Jays' bullpen better than what they had last season, and while I do not think they'll make the playoffs, they will be a better team than last season. I'm just perplexed as to why out of the blue you would just decide to piss in everyone's corn flakes.Quote:
Prime wrote:
And now, here's J.P. Arencibia doing a little impersonation of writer/analyst Tim Kurkjian.
It's actually pretty funny. This group of Jays like to have some fun, Lawrie is a funny guy by the sounds of it too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s983T...ature=youtu.be
Extra Wild Card Spot has been Added. Its Official.
Jays are making the Playoffs next year. Book it.
HAHA. This is GOLD Jerry. Gold.Quote:
Mack North wrote:
by next year you mean 2013?Quote:
joey_hesketh wrote:
I'm thinking 2014.
And, in "not sure what to think of it but it may be bad news if it continues" talk, Cecil topped out at 88 today and sat around 86for most of the day. Too early to get worked up about it but the Jays can't be happy to see those numbers.
In better news, Morrow apparently looked good yesterday and was sitting at 94-95 mixing in a change and curve without, he says, letting loose. Hutchison and McGuire have apparently looked good, too. Cecil keeps throwing 86, he might be in the bullpen or in AAA...
they had every opportunity to trade some of these bums like litsh and cecil for a top tier talent. they should just sign oswalt.Quote:
slaw wrote:
Litsch and Cecil were never bringing you back top tier talent. I agree that Oswalt would be a good signing but he wants to stay close to Mississippi, so it seems unlikely he'd ever come to Toronto. If he went somewhere other than the southeast, I doubt the fourth place team in the AL East is at the top of his list. The good news is that if Cecil flops then guys like Drabek and Hutchison are going to get a shot. Honestly, given where this team is at, I'd rather see what those guys have...Quote:
LBF wrote: