But now that they have Bayless things are different.
Looks like it could be the best player available and most likely it will not be a lottery pick.
i dunno there's about 3 guards in the draft that have massive potential and could be franchise pg's. just trade calderon after, for whatever you can get.
If the Raptors draft a forward when some star PG's are still on the board I'll quit.
I'll take Irving,Knight,Nolan,Curry,Selby over any big. (Although Sullinger and Jones are beastly at the moment).
No dominant PG has won a Championship since....
Dominant Wing players are what contending teams are largely centered around. Drafting an incredible PG would be great for the regular season record and would make our players look better than they actually are, but PG's don't carry teams in the playoffs. Period.
yeah rondo did little to nothing last year
I would argue that this previous year, two of the final four teams were carried by their PGs in the playoffs. The Celtics depended so heavily on Rondo and he took them to game 7 of the Championship. And Nash took the Suns to the Western Conference Finals. Tony Parker also was the Finals MVP one year.
I realize that the Celtics were not just relying on Rondo and have a great team (including great wing players), but Rondo seems to be their team MVP both last year and this year.
A team can win with a championship with a great PG. It has been done and it will be done again. I think Miami is reminding us that you can't just have a couple great wing players...something more needs to be their.
How about Billups at Detroit.
However if you are running the Triangle offense like the Lakers do and the Bulls did when Jackson coached them you don are correct, the dominate wing player is the most important.
However, very few teams run the Triangle. I think the T-Wolves also use it, because he takes high basketball IQ players with very good passing skills on a five man unit to be really successful because it is so complicated.
If it's a choice between Rose and Beasley... obviously take Rose. But you can't build your team around a PG and expect playoff success is all I'm saying... I can't say I fully understand why, but history is quite clear about that. Perhaps it's the increased physicality (Horry hipchecking Nash comes to mind) but PG-centric teams have a strong tendency to struggle in the playoffs...
I think the biggest reason for this is since '91, Phil Jackson teams with the triangle offense and Jordan/Pippen & Kobe/Shaq have won so many titles.
Bayless is not the future PG for this team, the dude is an upgrade over Jack, that's it. Both their ceilings are good to great back-up point guards.
This team is going for a 25years and younger core group. Calderon is 29 and injury prone, Bayless and Barbosa can't be your starting point-guards. And the 2011 free agent season, is poor for point-guards.
This team doesn't necessarily need an all-star point guard, just a point guard with a higher ceiling than Calderon.
I think drafting by position is a bad idea, and most people would agree that you draft the best player available rather than by position.
That said, in 2010 people knew it was highly likely BC would be drafting a power forward, and the year before it was pretty obvious he would be taking a wing player.
I submit that this team can be competitive sooner than later if (assuming we draft in the top 8 next year) we have the opportunity to draft a 2 or a 3 who can shoot, and create off the dribble, which are skills that are lacking in our current starting 5.
Prior to this season, a lot of Raps fans rightly complained that Barney and Jose would not be starting quality players on contending teams in the NBA. This is probably true, but I would argue our need for an elite wing player is greater than our problems at either the 1 or the 5.
The Jose / JJ argument that we had this summer has obviously been silenced with the departure of Jack, and the arrival of Bayless. This was a bit of a steal considering Jack arrived in Toronto via free agency, and NO gave up a 1st rounder to acquire Bayless during the off season. Bayless has potential, and they should at least give him a shot to see whether or not he can realize some of that while playing in TO.
Given the performance of Camby since his arrival in Portland, and Chandler this year in Dallas, potentially the Raps could find a rebounding / shot blocking big man through a trade or free agency, rather than filling that whole through the draft.
I have watched about half of the Raps games this year (I work nights sometimes)... I was at the Houston game at the ACC earlier this year. Sonny put up 9 in the 1st quarter, then I don't think he scored til the fourth quarter. His inconsistency and decision making is hard to watch sometimes. Despite all that, I would still give him a contract next year and a spot in the rotation. He does indeed have untapped potential. The same is true for Demar. He could be a solid contributor on a winning team, but he is def not there yet. I wouldn't mind seeing Kleiza be on his way. I don't think he would see very many minutes on a championship team.
Finally, Bargnani. His inconsistency is also frustrating. I think he has enough skill that, if he were playing with elite players at all other positions, he might possibly be a player capable of playing big minutes in important games.
Blah, blah, blah, the point of that long assed rant was to suggest that if the Raps have a decent draft pick next year they should take a small forward to replace Weems / Kleiza in the starting lineup.
Very good points. That's why I hope that the lottery ping pong balls are kind to the Raptors this year and they end up with a top 3 pick. If they could draft Harrison Barnes, Kyrie Irving, or Perry Jones, they could have that missing piece that they're lacking now. With the way they're playing and barring any serious injury, they might end up with 30-35 wins and more likely an 8-12 pick. Hopefully there's still some real good players in that spot. You then have to consider the impact a possible lockout would have on eligible players declaring for the draft.
I was mentioning this in another thread, but depending where they pick and where he ends up being projected, I think Tobias Harris would be a really good fit for them. He's moving up draft boards in a hurry, and I could see him ending up as a mid to late lottery pick if he declares for this year. He's an athletic wing player, great hustle and work ethic, and excellent range on his jump shot. Defends and rebounds well. Putting up great numbers for a freshman who doesn't get many plays run for him. Looks to be a very good draft for SFs overall. After Jones, Jones, and Barnes, there's a bit of a drop-off, but Harris, Honeycutt, Leslie, Vesely, Singler, and Hamilton make up a very strong second-tier of SFs.
I still think it's way too early to start talking about the draft
Where was Landry Fields pegged on the earliest draft boards? Was he ever a consideration for a late first rounder or was he always a marginal second round pick? What were his numbers in college? Is there anyone out there like him?
See, I truly believe that DeMar DeRozan is supposed to be a SF -- shooting guards can generally shoot the ball, no?
Great site for draft board references.
Couldn't help but notice that if the Raps can land a top 4 pick, then we're pretty solid in terms of getting ourselves the Small Forward of our Dreams.
Perry Jones, Terrence Jones and Harrison Barnes are ALL going to be Solid NBA prospects. We need one. Which one?
Perry Jones mix. (Big L freestyle makes it even better)