DRAFT LOTTERY on TSN2 at 8:30pmEST TUESDAY, MAY 17

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Tue May 17th, 2011, 03:19 PM
ceez

if we did in fact get the first pick and did in fact draft derrick williams i will vomit on my newborn
Tue May 17th, 2011, 03:19 PM
ceez

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Raptors_ wrote:

could we send anyone to the draft lottery to represent the raptors? cause i saw Danny Granger there last year( i think)

we sent demar a year or two ago. BC is going this year.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Tim W.

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slaw wrote:

I wouldn't advocate trading down in the NBA draft as a general rule but in a year where there is no clear franchise-changer and there are serious questions about all of the picks you have to try and maximize value and maybe the best way to do that with the #1 pick is to end up with Kanter at #3 and another asset. Also, looking at Toronto's current situation where they need 5 or 6 "top 8" players, if you could get two of those guys instead of one, well, why not?

Yes, there are some questions about all the players, but it doesn't mean that the there's not going to be a dropoff in talent as you get lower. There's a far better chance of drafting a good player at 1 than 5. And however much I like Kanter, if I get the top pick, I get the best player. In the NBA, it usually comes down to which team has the best player, not the most good players.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 03:45 PM
ahoang

Sending BC again with the hopes he hits #1 again.

Lightning usually doesn't strike in the same place :(
Let's get the pieces in place to become Thunder 2.0!
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:30 PM
slaw

Quote:

Tim W. wrote:

Yes, there are some questions about all the players, but it doesn't mean that the there's not going to be a dropoff in talent as you get lower. There's a far better chance of drafting a good player at 1 than 5. And however much I like Kanter, if I get the top pick, I get the best player. In the NBA, it usually comes down to which team has the best player, not the most good players.

But what if you think Kanter is the best player? What if you know he will be there at #3? #4? And both those teams want desperately move up. You still just make the pick and take Kanter at #1? Of course not. You extract value. That's all I'm noting. Of course, if you're not sure Kanter (again just a for instance) won't be there at the spot you're moving down to then you don't do the deal. How in the world is getting the player you want for less money, plus another asset in any way controversial?

As an aside, I am no draft expert but I don't see anyone talking about Irving and Williams as "best players" in playoff series.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:32 PM
ezz_bee

Quote:

ceez wrote:

if we did in fact get the first pick and did in fact draft derrick williams i will vomit on my newborn

Payback for all times your newborn has vomited on you? Sounds fair to me.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Hassan

no use no on really exiting this year
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:42 PM
Hassan

Quote:

e2thed wrote:

if we pick 5th , pick brandon knight or jonas if hes still available

NO more euros !!!!!!!!!!!
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:42 PM
ezz_bee

Apparently Doug Smith gets to be a third party witness at this evenings event so I emailed him the question of whether he or the teams involved know beforehand what combinations are assigned to them. I'll post his answer if i get one.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:44 PM
ezz_bee

More Euros!
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Tim W.

Quote:

slaw wrote:

But what if you think Kanter is the best player? What if you know he will be there at #3? #4? And both those teams want desperately move up. You still just make the pick and take Kanter at #1? Of course not. You extract value. That's all I'm noting. Of course, if you're not sure Kanter (again just a for instance) won't be there at the spot you're moving down to then you don't do the deal. How in the world is getting the player you want for less money, plus another asset in any way controversial?

As an aside, I am no draft expert but I don't see anyone talking about Irving and Williams as "best players" in playoff series.

If you really think that Kanter is the best player, then I agree with you. I am just thinking of when teams get two slightly lesser players for one better player. Usually the team that ends up with the better player wins. I think the best thing to do is draft Irving, who probably has more value, then if Kanter gets picked third then you trade him. Really, though, how much are you going to get by trading down two spots?

I think Irving, Williams and Kanter could all be the best player in a playoff series, but it's far more up in the air regarding that than in most other drafts. I think they all have the potential, but whether they fulfill it is another thing.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:57 PM
ceez

Quote:

ezz_bee wrote:

Payback for all times your newborn has vomited on you? Sounds fair to me.

I'd have to do it more than once
Tue May 17th, 2011, 04:59 PM
jeff_hostetler

Quote:

ezz_bee wrote:

Apparently Doug Smith gets to be a third party witness at this evenings event so I emailed him the question of whether he or the teams involved know beforehand what combinations are assigned to them. I'll post his answer if i get one.

I thought about doing that, but then didn't do that. Hopefully he replies.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 05:08 PM
jrdyck

Apologies if you've already seen this, but I felt I should post it here for those who haven't.

http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/sh...ch-the-Lottery
Tue May 17th, 2011, 06:08 PM
jeff_hostetler

Pretty good discussion between Bill Simmons and Chad Ford about the draft.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?...DIO&id=6559975

EDIT: It's a long ass conversation, but it's actually kick ass. They talk about a lot of different things concerning this draft and the draft in general; of draft picks; of how to/how not to rebuild; the value of collecting assets...
Tue May 17th, 2011, 06:24 PM
jeff_hostetler

From Simmons:

"The poor Raptors...It just seems like every chance they get to get a lottery pick in the top 3...they either have bad luck or the draft stinks."
Tue May 17th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Quixotic

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slaw wrote:

But what if you think Kanter is the best player? What if you know he will be there at #3? #4? And both those teams want desperately move up. You still just make the pick and take Kanter at #1? Of course not. You extract value. That's all I'm noting. Of course, if you're not sure Kanter (again just a for instance) won't be there at the spot you're moving down to then you don't do the deal. How in the world is getting the player you want for less money, plus another asset in any way controversial?

As an aside, I am no draft expert but I don't see anyone talking about Irving and Williams as "best players" in playoff series.

Well that's the thing. If you think Kanter is the best player, sure, but I think a lot of us have been talking about Kanter being the best in the position we're given (as in #3). If we had the #1 pick, I'd have to go with Irving. If we had the #2 pick and Irving is off the board, then I say trade down with a team that wants Williams for hopefully 2 relatively high picks.
Tue May 17th, 2011, 06:52 PM
Pureraptors

Simple if the raptors fall at:

1st/2nd - Irving or Kanter
3rd/4th/5th/6th - Kanter, Vesely, B.Knight, or Bismack
Tue May 17th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Raptors_

Quote:

ceez wrote:

if we did in fact get the first pick and did in fact draft derrick williams i will vomit on my newborn

Do u want to get bitch slapped?
Tue May 17th, 2011, 07:37 PM
RapthoseLeafs

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I called Kreskin about the pick ... and all he said was ..... Raptors? wtf ... stop wasting my time.
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