The RUMOUR was that the spurs were trading up to draft him, that doesn't mean they were. A ton of rumours are spread as the draft approachs in hopes that teams may change their plans and someone will slip down, or will make a move up etc. They also, apparently, wanted to move Jeffersons contract... so was this that they wanted Jonas that bad, or that they thought they could start a retooling (ie. start dumping salaries)? Did Parkers comments have anything to do with it? Where they just gauging his trade value? Teaching him a lesson?
Even moreso, almost every team would have traded up to draft Darko aswell (and I'm NOT saying Jonas is Darko), and he was the sure #2 pick after Lebron, that doesn't mean he is therefore good or will turn out good.
I think the OP is right... expectations do need to be tempered. I think its great what he's doing, I think its great people want to support him and want to know how he's doing.... but this is a U19 tournament. Take it with a grain of salt, it doesn't hold much meaning.
But then again this always happens after the draft. I not only remember summer league with Derozan and Sonny (last season) I remember right after he was drafted and people were talking how Derozan was the steal of the draft and would end up rookie of the year. I remember Bargnani being drafted and how the Raps had easily the best player in the draft and their next stud player. I know fans want to get excited about players and want to see them play and want them to be great... but young guys are young guys, no matter where they are from.
Lets just put it this way.
The #5 pick that we made, has now grown in value due to this tournament. One can't deny that, and there is certainly happiness to be had for that.
Previous picks that dominated that competition included Bogut.
lets be thankful that the tournament happened after the draft :]
Someone should do a comparison of Bogut's numbers in 03 to JV's numbers in this tournament.
JV FIBA U19 Latvia 2011: 30 MPG, 23 PPG, 13.9 RBG 4.3 ORBG, 1 APG, 59.5% FG, 81.1% FT, 3.2 BPG, 0.9 SPG, 1.8 TO, 3.5 PF in 9 games
I would rather JV's more efficient stat line tbh, higher percentage (total fg and ft) less minutes, (-3mins), double the blocks (3.2 to 1.5) Half the TO (1.8 to 3.3) and even played an extra game (40 mins). Assists is what Bogut can boast about, and something I would love JV to have more of.
Or at least my argument isn't.
I said this later on in the thread:
And thats what this is about. Its not about expectations. And I'm not questioning ones fandown or loyalty; I am questioning why said person wouldn't be happy and excited for a kid that just led his Nation to a big FIBA Championship. And did so in DOMINATING fashion. Again, this isn't about "He's dominated here, thus he will dominate the NBA." Its about "He dominated here, and he got the MVP and he DIDN'T suck and play at a mediocre level. He was THE BEST player in the WHOLE WORLD for this tournament."Quote:
But we're not saying he will dominate the NBA. We're simply enjoying his success RIGHT NOW, at this level.
Thats exciting. Or should be. And if it isn't, then I don't understand that fans mindset. Thats all.
".... but this is a U19 tournament. Take it with a grain of salt, it doesn't hold much meaning"
"not much meaning"??? I fail to understand in context of:
1. The Raptors 1st round pick is JV
2. JV was the MVP of the just concluded Fiba world U19 tournament
3. His team won the championship
4. His stat line and intangibles were outstanding
5. There were reports of N. American scouts extolling his perf. there
...and Raptor fans should not put much "meaning" in this?
I am baffled. Isnt it just simply pleasurable? I dont think anyone is saying anything about his NBA career. The "meaning" I take away here is that he has more than confirmed his scouting reports as a very talented 19 yr. old. I prefer to look at his journey to the nba metaphorically as a series of steps and he has taken at least a couple here in a competition against his best peers. The pressure didnt get to him as a high draft pick. Next shall be @ Eurobasket which will probably be not statiscally gaudy (he'll be a backup). More important shall be his season in the Euroleague.
Sorry, but there was "meaning" in his performance.
I am curious...would you have had the same reaction if he had a bad tournament?
"In my opinion, this whole "Don't get excited, yet" attitude is for the people who aren't truly invested in the Raps as a team."
Who are you to question how invested I am in the team? On behalf of all those in favor of managing their excitement, we demand an apology.
(ie: anything short of playing at an extremely high if not dominating level would be a total disaster.).
Who are you to tell me to "manage my excitement"?
So far we have avoided the 'Total Disaster' that many fans around here predicted. So far.
what context did I take it out of?
And as for the spurs you are also speculating. Or do you have some inside source with the Spurs that gave you the direct scoop? Either that or you are taking what someone else apparently said and assuming its 100% accurate. All I was saying is we don't know for sure that the Spurs didn't have an alternate motive to the rumours. Getting Tony Parker's trade value also makes perfect sense (especially after his comments). So does wanting to dump Jeffersons contract. Its also not rare for teams to spread rumours so other players who they really want drop. They all make perfect sense. Hardly means ANY of them definitely happened. Also doesn't mean the Spurs definetely wanted Jonas or there wasn't other reasons why they could have wanted to deal up. We are both speculating... its pretty much what we all do around here is it not?
I think ebrian said it best with Jonas and this tournament:
"anything short of playing at an extremely high if not dominating level would be a total disaster"
How about when Jonathan Givony said that the Lithuanian team would dominate the NCAA tournament? So it could be argued this is a higher level of competition than the NCAA. Decent praise.
EDIT: Just to elaborate, I don't think anyone on this board expects him to put up a 26-24 game in his 1st year in the NBA. But if I guy did that in the NCAA final four and Raptors drafted him you would be pretty excited right?
why did utah pass on jonas? that is what I would like to know
my expectations with this tournament (and the players who play in it) are hardly high. If it wasn't for it being mentioned in every other new thread I wouldn't even think twice about it.
Thinking Jonas should be alot better than a bunch of nobodies shouldn't be setting the bar very high for him.