We are slipping around here. This game is from yesterday.
Box score
JV statline:
20:20 minutes
12 points
3/5 fg
6/6 ft
5 rebounds (1 offensive)
2 steals
1 block
3 turnovers
3 fouls
15 efficiency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=45zhSj-GqRE
I love the shot at 20 seconds. "Alright, no double? F*ck ya then. You people need to recognize."
Eurocup semifinal between Rytas & Valencia has just started.
http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/
Not looking good for Jonas early, he picked up what looks to be 3 early fouls and his team is down big after the first quarter.Quote:
omgsomuchpotential wrote:
Rough game for big V... 4 points, 0 boards, 1 assist, 8.5 mins played fouled out
expect a lot of that his first year here
Ouch. Tough game indeed for JV.
L. Rytas lost 80-70 in EuroCup semi-finals.
It will be interesting to see how he bounces back tomorrow in the 3rd place game.
4 points
1/2 fg
2/3 ft
0 reb
1 ast
5 fouls
8:27 minutes
Boxscore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CeYSzMrToNs
was he trying to do too much? what happened?
He shit the bed... That's what happened.
First really bad game in about 60 this year. Not bad for a 19 year old playing versus men.Quote:
ceez wrote:
Agreed. Even the best of NBA superstars have bad games.Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
I read the play by play real quick and he was in foul trouble the whole night. He took his fourth foul right after the second half started. Valencia punched Rytas in the nose to start the game (including Jonas), and they cruised the rest of the way. Fouling has been one of Jonas' problems, but he has controlled that very well this year. I checked his last 20 or so games in the VTB League and Eurocup, dating back to January 3rd, and he has been averaging over 26 minutes a games. Even though he's still prone to fouls, he gets 3 to 4 a game, it hasn't been affecting his minutes. This game is an anomaly. I don't think he shit the bed.
I think in terms of fouls, the coaching staff has done a tremendous job with Amir and his fouls this season compared to the past.
Jonas will learn defensive fundamentals for sure when he's here working with Scott Roth. Scott Roth has worked with a good number of big men, even a star. i.e Dirk Nowitzki.
None the less, every player has a bad game every now and then. Especially big men. They will have a game where they just get foul calls.
L. Rytas wins 71-62 over Spartak St. Petersberg
17 VALANCIUNAS, JONAS
26:46 minutes
10 points
4/7 fg
2/2 ft
12 rebounds (5 offensive)
1 assist
2 steals
3 blocks
0 turnover
1 foul
27 efficiency
Boxscore
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Matt52 wrote:
Everyone has bad games... bigger questions are how many (JV has had very few) and how do you respond (27 efficiency is getting it done).Quote:
Lietuvos Rytas led from start to finish in beating Spartak St. Petersburg 71-62 to finish the 2011-12 Eurocup season in third place. Ronnie Seibutis scored 21 and Jonas Valanciunas posted a double-double as Rytas controlled the paint and outrebounded Spartak 38-25. The winners started hot from downtown and finished 8 of 15 from behind the arc, while Spartak never found its groove. A pair of Seibutis threes made it 15-5 midway through the opening quarter and Rytas cruised the rest of the way. The lead peaked at 19 in the second quarter, but Spartak rallied late to get within 4. However Steponas Babrauskas stepped up when needed and Rytas regained control en route to the victory. Seibutis went 4 for 6 from behind the arc and 9 for 10 from the line in addition to 4 assists for the winners. Aleksandar Rasic added 12 points, Valanciunas had 10 points, 12 rebounds and 3 blocks and Mindaugas Katelynas netted 10 for the winners. Eurocup MVP Patrick Beverley paced Spartak with 18 points and Vladimir Dragicevic scored 17 in defeat.
The game opened with both teams settling for outside shots, but it was Rytas that connected first with a Seibutis triple and a Rasic jumper. Yotam Halperin connected from downtown for Spartak’s first points before Seibutis from the line and Valanciunas on the offensive rebound of Seibutis’s missed free throw made it 10-3. Beverley followed in a missed Halperin shot, but Rytas continued to own the flow. Valanciunas corrected an Arturas Jomantas miss, came up with a big block on defense and then Seibutis hit his second three to make it 15-5. Even after a Spartak timeout, a Valanciunas steal led to a Jomantas free throw. Anatoly Kashirov hit back for Spartak, but Rytas kept raining threes as Rasic made it 21-7. Aleksey Zozulin gave Spartak hope with a three and then a steal and foul drawn. Three free throws by Katelynas over two possessions kept Rytas in total control, 24-10, after 10 minutes.
Beverley opened the second quarter with a long jumper and Dragicevic scored in the paint to trim the gap to 10. Valanciunas displayed his power inside with an offensive rebound and a slam. Lawrence Roberts was next to dunk on the Spartak defense and soon after Valanciunas made it 30-14. Seibutis made his third three for a 19-point Rytas lead. Miha Zupan got on the scoreboard for Spartak. A Beverley three made it 33-20 midway through the second quarter. Valery Likhodey took charge for Spartak with 5 quick points to bring his team within 35-25. A Rasic triple got a lot of rim before falling in to protect Rytas’s comfortable lead. A Halperin triple in the closing seconds of the half made it 40-30 at halftime.
Rsic scored twice in the first minutes of the second half as Rytas reasserted control. Beverley was credited with his 10th points thanks to a goaltending call and Kashirov’s basket kept Spartak’s slim hopes alive. Halperin made it 46-36 midway through the third quarter. A Babrauskas pull-up jumper put Rytas back up by 14. Likhodey and Katelynas traded three-pointers. Dragicevic hit a mid-range jumper and a Beverley steal, layup and foul brought Spartak within 9 for the first time since the opening quarter. Babrauskas hit back from the line to make it 55-44 through three quarters.
Beverley continued to fuel Spartak with a big three. Then he dished to a cutting Dragicevic to close the difference to 6. Dragicevic further narrowed the gap to 55-51 as all the pressure shifted to Rytas. Babrauskas looked to rescue Rytas with a triple, but Dragicevic scored on the ensuing possession for Spartak. Seibutis padded the Rytas lead from the line to make it 62-53 midway through the fourth quarter. Beverley drove hard for a layup and then Dragicevic got to the line to bring his team within 6. A pair of Katelynas jumpers sandwiched a Dragicevic layup. The Spartak forward attacked the glass to keep his team alive, but a Seibutis triple with just under two minutes to go practically sealed the outcome, 69-60. A Spartak timeout tried to come up with a plan for a late frantic run, but it was to no avail. Seibutis free throws with 1:15 left just about sealed the outcome as Rytas finished its Eurocup season on a winning note.
I saw the game versus Valencia, what I noticed :) that referee was playing dirty games with Jonas, 3 out of 5 fouls were far more than questionable (all those fouls were called by same ref, while other ref didn't even had any interest on most of them), Valencia haven't had tall players in the front court and it was huge advantage of Rytas (a team with most rebounds in the league). Yes, I may be a drama queen, but that's what I noticed watching the game, referees ruined it and won it for Spanish team.
There are dishonourable refs in the NBA. It is not outside the realm of possibility there are shady refs in Europe.Quote:
RandomGuy wrote:
Actually, there's not shady refs, there is shady people.
Wouldn't be surprised if he got threatened before the game.
i can see the mafia having a strong presence there much like russiaQuote:
Matt52 wrote:
C'mon guys enough with these conspiracy theories, LOL.
The fact of the matter is Jonas is still an inexperienced kid in mens basketball. He still fails to shift his game on defensive end when the refs aren't allowing much contact, and therefore fouls out quickly.
I do feel like this is one of those areas where he might improve vastly under NBA coaching.
I wonder if it is more a function of uneven reffing? Also, as you say JV's failing to shift his style when the Refs tighten up. Just a learning process. At first I wondered about the reference "Under NBA coaching" since it seems he has been getting great coaching, but your are probably right about the availability of Coaching resources in the NBA i.e. more staff available to work with him/video footage etc.Quote:
omgsomuchpotential wrote: