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Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:04 PM
Matt52

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Tim W. wrote:

Hilarious. Either they're reading this forum or you should change your name to Nostradamus.

If I am Marc Stein's 'source' it certainly explains a lot of his bogus Raptor reports.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:07 PM
Matt52

The last day has been crazy and continues to get crazier:

Forget Chuck Hayes to Sacramento. Now they are looking at Minnesota!

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ChrisBHaynes Chris Haynes
According to Chuck Hayes' agent, The #Sacramento #Kings & #Minnesota #Timberwolves are on equal ground in attaining Hayes. #NBA #Rockets

It certainly makes sense with Adelman there but what a backlog of players at PF and C:

Miller
Millicic
Pekovic
Love
Randolph
Tolliver
sometimes Beasley and Williams

Now throw in Hayes?!?!?!
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Apollo

Expect a trade. :)
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:10 PM
heinz57

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Matt52 wrote:

Looks like the Knicks are prepared to trade or amnesty Chauncey Billups to sign Tyson Chandler.

Wow. That would totally end any possibility of the Knicks making a play in free agency for Chris Paul.

This is just me speculating but I wonder if the Knicks would trade and the Hornets would accept Amar'e for Chris Paul? Again, total speculation on my part.

All the big names are ablaze on twitter with this Berger, Woj, etc.

Uhhhhhhh..... Didn't they JUST extend chauncey!?!

Apparently stupidity didn't leave the organization with Isaiah.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Tim W.

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Matt52 wrote:

If I am Marc Stein's 'source' it certainly explains a lot of his bogus Raptor reports.

Hey, I've been Peter Vecsey's source for years! Welcome to the club.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:35 PM
Apollo

Knicks in lead for Chandler, next step is to make play for Paul?

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Multiple league executives say the Knicks are now in the lead to land Tyson Chandler, jumping in front of the Warriors.

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If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.

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Can confirm @WojYahooNBA detail that one scenario in Chandler deal has Billups being traded. Amnesty also a possibiity.

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If the Knicks' next move is to engage NOR in CP3 talks for Stoudemire, this is not something that Amar'e would be happy with, at all.

Source: Twitter @KBergCBS
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:37 PM
MangoKid

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heinz57 wrote:

Uhhhhhhh..... Didn't they JUST extend chauncey!?!

Apparently stupidity didn't leave the organization with Isaiah.

No, they just picked up his option for this season. I guess the Knicks are comfortable with James Toney running the show.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Matt52

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Tim W. wrote:

Hey, I've been Peter Vecsey's source for years! Welcome to the club.

That explains a lot, Tim.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Apollo

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Apollo wrote:

I sort of hope Amare gets screwed over here and the Knicks get Paul. I'm not rooting for anyone who bails on their team. So Amare takes his medicine and then the Knicks pretty much make a lateral move because Amare and Billups is just a good a combo as Chandler and Paul.

http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/sh...785#post103785
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 02:45 PM
MangoKid

I know this belongs in the trade discussion forum (or maybe in Tim's thread), but for a team like Toronto, with New York looking to trade Billups, would you deal Amir and Calderon for Billups and have about 22 million (Chauncey's and Barbosa's contracts) coming off the books next season?
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 03:10 PM
Apollo

$58M over four years for Chandler

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The New York Knicks are nearing a four-year, $58 million contract with Tyson Chandler(notes) after the Golden State Warriors conceded they’re no longer in the running to sign the free-agent center, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

To add Chandler, the Knicks will either use their amnesty clause to waive Chauncey Billups(notes) and his $14.2 million salary or they will trade him, sources said. The Knicks have privately told people that if they trade Billups – who has said he doesn’t want to leave New York – it will be to a “good” team. If the Dallas Mavericks do a sign-and-trade with Chandler, they could conceivably get Billups in return.

The Knicks’ pursuit of Chandler intensified after efforts to trade for New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul(notes) stalled, sources said.

Source: Yahoo Sports
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 03:40 PM
planetmars

Butler's gone:

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Source: Caron Butler agrees to terms with Clippers. Three years, 24M.

Source: @daldridgetnt
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 03:45 PM
ceez

Same old clippers
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Matt52

If the Knicks amnesty Billups, guess where he ends up?

MIAMI*

*assuming no one bids on him which is highly unlikely.... but you never know.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:25 PM
Apollo

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MangoKid wrote:

I know this belongs in the trade discussion forum (or maybe in Tim's thread), but for a team like Toronto, with New York looking to trade Billups, would you deal Amir and Calderon for Billups and have about 22 million (Chauncey's and Barbosa's contracts) coming off the books next season?

That doesn't achieve the Knicks goal. The only way a Billups trade would work would be to use the TPE and eat the rest with cap space. The Knicks need cap space to sign Chandler outright or they do a S&T with Dallas.

Matt, I could see the Lakers being a good fit for Billups too. In fact I think the Lakers would be a better fit. With James and Wade out there with him the guy will be a spectator.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:28 PM
planetmars

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Apollo wrote:

That doesn't achieve the Knicks goal. The only way a Billups trade would work would be to use the TPE and eat the rest with cap space. The Knicks need cap space to sign Chandler outright or they do a S&T with Dallas.

Matt, I could see the Lakers being a good fit for Billups too. In fact I think the Lakers would be a better fit. With James and Wade out there with him the guy will be a spectator.

You can't use the TPE to get a player worth more than the TPE. Even if you have cap space. Most Toronto can spend is on a player worth less than or equal to about $9M.

*EDIT: With a third team you could work something out though.. give the TPE to NY for someone like Turiaf (and other cap ballast). Send Barbosa/Calderon/Bargnani to a third team, and get Chauncey that way. Much more difficult this way though.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:31 PM
Matt52

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Apollo wrote:

That doesn't achieve the Knicks goal. The only way a Billups trade would work would be to use the TPE and eat the rest with cap space. The Knicks need cap space to sign Chandler outright or they do a S&T with Dallas.

Matt, I could see the Lakers being a good fit for Billups too. In fact I think the Lakers would be a better fit. With James and Wade out there with him the guy will be a spectator.

He'd have to get to the finals to stick it to New York - and NY would have to get through Miami.

I think it is a moot point because some team under the cap will take him on - despite the arm waiving and temper tantrum.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:34 PM
Apollo

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Matt52 wrote:

He'd have to get to the finals to stick it to New York - and NY would have to get through Miami.

I think it is a moot point because some team under the cap will take him on - despite the arm waiving and temper tantrum.

His agent is letting it be known that he won't report unless the team is on his list. Buyer beware.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Matt52

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Apollo wrote:

His agent is letting it be known that he won't report unless the team is on his list. Buyer beware.

For the sake of a $1M bid, a number of teams might take that risk to ensure he doesn't end up in Miami. If I was an Eastern conference GM, I most certainly would. He doesn't show, he doesn't play until next year... if at all.
Thu Dec 8th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Apollo

And if he does show and becomes a cancer in the locker room? I think Denver might put in a bid and he'll be happy to go back there.

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