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I hear ya, Matt. But sounds like Gay is looking forward to making it work with Memphis.Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;...izzlies_012812Quote:
“People were saying they did it without me,” Gay said. “It would mean a lot for me to make the playoffs to show how good this team is – not just me – and how much of an impact I could have on it.”
What Rudy wants and what Heisley wants might be two different things though.Quote:
Nilanka wrote:
By the way, I realize it is a pipe dream....... or is it? lol
Right, but with Randolph missing games, and Gay leading Memphis to a 9-6 record without him, maybe Heisley starts to think Gay's a keeper ;)Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
a Chandler/Bargnani/Valanciunas/J.Johnson/A.Johnson front court rotation is loaded with versatility hustle defense and scoring. Sign me up for this
I see your Rudy/3 and Chandler/2 and like the idea but perhaps Chandler/3 and Mayo/2 is a little more realistic?
thats 144 minutes spread between 5 guys work out to just less than 30 minutes each. Obviously starters would play a bit more but it would give the Johnsons more than enough reason to stick around Toronto.
No surprise here that I am totally on board with getting Chandler into Toronto. He would fit in very well. Definitely a player for the future with the versatility to play either wing position, and fits in very well to what BC said at the onset of the pre-season wanting to get versatile players (a la JJohnson) that can play/guard multiple positions. He is exactly the player I thought of when I heard him say that. Since we have to free up a roster spot as well as some extra $ I would expect Barbosa would be traded.
On a side note, even though I read the rumour site on HH multiple times a day I missed this, and hoopshype pisses me off when they do an update within a grouping instead of a new section. If I had the patience I would wait until the end of the day, but as it is I miss some updates as they get buried within reports that have already been posted on their site. F*!*@*@*!K.
not sure i see it. i get that chandler is an upgrade over JJ, but the way things seem to be playing out, the raps look like they'd be in position to draft either barnes or MKG. so, is chandler so much of an upgrade that you'd go with him at the 3 (making potentially much more over the life of his deal, with less controllable years than an incoming rookie) over either of those guys? is what he gives you in terms of on-court value & $-value significantly better than what those guys will? i'd argue that it is in the short-term, but likely not long-term.
let's say they make moves (as matt mentions) to free up more available $ to acquire chandler, and it works, he becomes a raptor. they're still not good enough to make a playoff push (IMO), and are still likely a bottom-8-ish team in the L, so they'd be looking at a relatively high pick. the biggest downside to me is that chandler would help them win a few meaningless late games & hurt their lotto chances. i
suppose on some levels going after chandler & filling a position of need with a (relatively) known quantity is better (or at least safer) than gambling on a SF that you like (barnes/MKG) being available when you pick....and it gives the team the freedom to just go get the guy they like best (disregarding position) in the draft, and let the chips fall where they may.
still, i have a feeling that if chandler became a raptor, there'd be some disappointed folks around here. we have a way of building players up into an idea of what we want them to be.
The underrated part of this article that is not getting much attention is that the Raptors are searching for more picks while using Calderon and Barbosa. Assuming that is true then BC must not be worried about having more then two rookies on the roster if we are poking for more.
If the Raps are gonna throw money at a SF, I'd rather they wait until the offseason and throw it at Batum. He's a much better fit offensively with a lineup that includes Bargs, DeRozan and Valanciunas going forward.
did i hear that zach might be done for the year?Quote:
Nilanka wrote:
further...anyone check out the grizz record with both gay & z-bo in the lineup? it's reminiscent of the knicks record with melo & stat playing together. leads one to believe that the grizz may have to make a decision re. gay & z-bo, and my money would be on z-bo being dealt before gay.
Does anyone know how the Chandler situation works this year? Any offer we make would have to wait until the summer, correct?
And once he's cleared of his Chinese obligations, he's clear to play out the remainder of the 2011-12 season with Denver, right?
Except they need a taker for that, and NJ now has an owner that wants to win so where would he go?Quote:
yertu damkule wrote:
After reading about the raps trying to get chandler and more draft picks i started to really think about it. Seems to me were stocking tons of assets to get a big name player somehow via trade. ex. trading our 1st another draft pick plus derozan... what could that get us? thats just one of msany examples. i tihnk BC has a trick up his sleeve and it makes me very excited for the summer.:D
I don't think he would do the more than two rookies thing normally. But the 2012 draft is deep for a lot of reasons...so if there was a year to do that, it would be this oneQuote:
Shantz wrote:
Things have been quiet on the trade front ... finally some news. This would be a good deal for Toronto. He is young enough to have lots of upside ahead and yet been a pro for 3 years so the learning curve wont drive you crazy.Quote:
ryanc123 wrote:
this deal would signal that the raps are going PG in the draft for sure.
He was a Restricted Free Agent as of this previous Off-Season. He isn't currently part of the Nuggets or any NBA club. Denver has his RFA Rights.Quote:
Nilanka wrote:
Denver made a qualifying offer for the 2011-12, which he could have chosen to sign, but instead signed in the CBA.
By making the Qualifying Offer, Denver is given his Restricted Free Agent Rights, for whenever he choses to sign in the NBA. (Similar to our situation with Sonny Weems)
So once he is able to sign in the NBA, Denver will have the chance to Match any Offer given to him for the 2012 Season.
Any contract offer made for the 2012 season, will Count immediately against the cap as would signing any Free Agent from the pool.
However, as mentioned in the article, any deal would surely be a Sign-and-Trade deal, thus Denver would sign him initially, not Toronto. Not sure what the situation is in terms of what Denver can offer, but it is likely far more lucrative than the $4M Toronto currently has available to them.
If anyone wants to add to this, please feel free. This is all just off the top of my head.
Hope this helps though!
BC has a very uninspiring record as a deal maker as Raptors GM. He has the guts to pull the trigger but his dealing or lack of making the right deal is responsible for the Raptors current state.Quote:
pesterm1 wrote:
While Wilson Chandler is an upgrade over Linas Kleiza and James Johnson, he is no more than an average quality starter at small forward in my opinion. I would hesitate greatly before offering him a contract worth $7.5M or more per season.
It's unclear to me whether the player most impacted by Wilson Chandler's signing should count as trade bait or as a liability against the salary cap. If it's Linas Kleiza, then the latter may be true (but we can hope will be part of a S&T deal with the Nuggets).
Anything higher than $9M is too much for me. With Ujiri being the GM of Denver, and his history with Bryan, I think there could be a very favourable sign and trade that takes place. Perhaps JJ + Bayless for Chandler.Quote:
Hugmenot wrote:
I don't think Kleiza's salary is that bad personally, he's still young (27) and he seems to be adjusting fine to his injury. I'd also prefer to keep him for next year when JV comes here and I think he'd be a very easy piece to move in any future trades, since he makes less than $5M a year and is a very serviceable player.