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So then Nash has to guard larger 2 guards?Quote:
Soft Euro wrote:
The numbers are what they are.
The Raptors did 'less bad' with Calderon off the floor. The Suns did MUCH worse with Nash off the floor.
Calderon's opponents had a higher PER than him and above NBA average. Nash's opponents had a lower PER than him and a lower than NBA average.
Calderon had a much lower win percentage compared to Nash.
Well the stats certainly suggest Nash is a far superior defender to Calderon this season.Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
Right, that should be noted if it wasn't already picked up on. We are looking at just one season - 2011/12.Quote:
Apollo wrote:
Looks can be deceiving I suppose... Maybe Nash is a better defender in general. I don't know, I've always felt Calderon looked more competent but that just might be my biased interpretation...
Nobody can get down in a stance and look intense like Jose! lolQuote:
Apollo wrote:
If you can't fill the part you better look the part. Touché.
According to Alex Kennedy (Hoopsworld):
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Sources say Phoenix will likely offer Steve Nash two years, $20 million. However, I think Nash leaves money on the table to join contender.
https://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBAQuote:
Nash wants to win now. He has made it clear that he wants to be on a competitive team. Unless the Suns make big changes, I think he leaves.
See the thing is, when you take all factors into consideration, the Raptors will be a highly competitive team next season if Nash were to join. Not only that but he would be the leader of the squad. That might mean a lot to him because he's already said he doesn't want to be like the Glove(without specifically mentioning him). I mean the Raptors will land a good player in the draft and they have another on the way from Europe. With those guys and trade assets like the Johnsons, Davis and Calderon's fat expiring contract the Raptors have enough to totally revamp the roster into a team that is better than what the Knicks have right now.
That Hill defends pointguards that Nash can't handle isn't something I'm making up here ...Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
I am not saying that Nash isn't the better player; no need to argue that point. I'm not even saying that Calderon is or isn't better on defense (I don't have an opinion on that at this moment). All I wanted to say was that Phoenix does have some twists to make the life of Nash easier on defense in reaction to your statement that "Nash did not have a defensive scheme created to cover his weaknesses".Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
To add something: I find Opponent's PER one of the most ambiguous stats. It doesn't even look at who is defending who; if you are a pg, the OppPER is the per of the other pg, period. It's also one of the most noisy stats because of the defense of the whole team.
For Nash to choose Toronto, all those changes may need to be in place before he makes his decision....which would mean Colangelo needs to get on his horse as soon as July 1 rolls around.Quote:
Apollo wrote:
Good point. Aside from Miami and Chicago, every other playoff team in the East this year could quite possibly look significantly different next season.Quote:
Apollo wrote:
Indiana - could lose Hibbert
Orlando - could lose Howard, Reddick
Atlanta - could trade Smith/Johnson or completely blow it up
Boston - could lose multiple players or compeltely blow it up
Philadelphia - could look to shake things up, were up and down this season
New York - likely no Baron Davis, could look to shake things up or completely blow it up if they decide to trade Melo
Non-Playoff Teams
Milwaukee - shook things up at the trade deadline, could lose player and look to shake things up or completely blow it up
Charlotte - just bad, even if they get the first pick, I don't think they have near the roster Toronto has
Washington - should be improved, still not great
Detroit - should be improved, still not great
New Jersey - just bad, unless they were to re-sign Williams, sign Howard and luck into a top-3 lottery pick, then watch out
Cleveland - should be improved, still not great
Toronto - with a healthy/consistent Bargnani, Valanciunas, a top-10 lottery pick, Steve Nash and whatever other players they can add through draft/free agency/trade (with Amir/Davis/JJ/TPE/2 2nd round picks/2013 1st round pick as available assets), they look to be pretty competitive in 2012-13 on paper, heading into the offseason
Nash coming here prior to Colangelo making a bunch of trades makes more sense for both sides in my opinion. For the Raptors they don't get burned. For Nash he gets to have his input into the moves. I don't think the Raptors go wheeling and dealing so that they might, possibly have a shot at signing Nash. That's not how smart people make business deals in my opinion. Sure, maybe they shore up a couple other positions but they won't move a guy like Calderon without Nash committing.Quote:
Nilanka wrote:
Like I mentioned earlier, anybody saying Nash is going to go somewhere where he will be known as a guy trying to ride another star's coattail to a championship is not paying attention to what he's said in interviews in the past few months. To me it sounds like how he wins it is more important to winning it at any costs. Malone and Payton are prime examples of legends who looked to ride other star's might to a championship and failed. In both cases it did not look good on them or their legacy. What's Nash's price to sellout on what he says are his principles? I think there is no price if he's being honest.
I know you are not. But he has to guard somebody.Quote:
Soft Euro wrote:
Just about every team in the league has a defensive specialist who can cover more than their own position. Hill is that guy for Phoenix. My comment about the defensive scheme stands: Casey himself has said exactly the same thing. The defensive schemes this year were focused on supporting Jose.Quote:
Soft Euro wrote:
Which is why I started with the below quote which was quoted in your initial reply. Say what you will about the stats but they do not support the claim he is a better or even equal defender as Nash - that was my point.Quote:
Soft Euro wrote:
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Matt52 wrote:
I guess that would depend on how much trust Nash has in Colangelo's word, and his abilities.Quote:
Apollo wrote:
But on the flip side, is it wise to give Nash any decision-making power?
Canada Basketball seemed to think it was ... Not sure why they wouldn't try to leverage Nash's persona and image across the league.Quote:
Nilanka wrote:
Colangelo drafted Nash. Colangelo pulled a blockbuster trade to get him back. Colangelo built a very strong team around him seemingly overnight. It should be well established that Colangelo respects, values and understands Nash as good, if not better than anyone in the NBA. Nash wasn't the MVP superstar he is now until coming back to Phoenix to play under Bryan Colangelo. He should have the utmost faith in Colangelo. The Raptors are one highly athletic multidimensional SF away from having a similar level of talent to many of those great Suns teams if Nash were to come here. Except in this case they arguably have a coach far better suited for playoff success than what Nash had in Phoenix during their successful years. I think if Nash were to come here he would have Peyton Manning-type freedom on offense. That's highly appealing in itself given the talent on roster and the talent incoming.Quote:
Nilanka wrote:
Yes, but giving a player any semblance of control has the potential to create problems in the locker room. NBA players have big egos.Quote:
joey_hesketh wrote:
Interesting point you bring up about the coaching situation. The Suns' offence suffered mightily when they focused primarily on defence (under Terry Porter).Quote:
Apollo wrote:
Wonder how Casey and Nash would mesh in terms of strategy.
I considered this and it's why I mentioned how they might give Nash the key and the nav. system so to speak.
Anyone else see a scenario where if Nash comes the Raps pick up Marion in a trade for pennies on the dollar? Dallas is going to be dumping Salary big time to try and get Williams/Howard.
If you say that makes us old. It doesn't, it just makes us older. The core is still young and young teams lose a lot, especially in the playoffs. Marion is still a baller. If attempts to land a different SF through FA/draft, a Nash-Marion reunion in T.O. might pay short term dividends.