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Sources say Dallas is about ready to move on from the Roddy Beaubois experiment. The Mavericks have thought for years that the talented young Frenchman could be another Tony Parker, but he has not been able to master the move from shooting guard to point guard. Nor has he been able to fill the void left by J.J. Barea. If they don't move him before this year's deadline, he could be gone over the summer.

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What do you think of the guy ? Would you consider him an improvement over JB ? Would you be ready to give him his chance if we move Jose and get Beaubois+a draft pick from a third team ?

He's not a point guard. He's just an undersized 2.

I would only trade Calderon if we got a 1st round selection (a late teens at worst) and young point guard we could move forward with - and who is a legit PG. Not these 6'4"-6'5" SG's who possibly could play the point..or a young swingman who has the potential to fill up the basket.

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MangoKid wrote:

I would only trade Calderon if we got a 1st round selection (a late teens at worst) and young point guard we could move forward with - and who is a legit PG. Not these 6'4"-6'5" SG's who possibly could play the point..or a young swingman who has the potential to fill up the basket.

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Darius Morris on LAL is a 6'4" PG who I would have interest in - low risk, high reward - plus a pick, of course. However, a trade with LA would need another team.

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Matt52 wrote:

Darius Morris on LAL is a 6'4" PG who I would have interest in - low risk, high reward - plus a pick, of course. However, a trade with LA would need another team.

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I liked what Morris showed from his freshman to sophomore years at Michigan. He is a big PG and seems like a player that works to get better. He does not get by on athleticism and he does concern me on defence (i he quick enough), but I would be happy with him on the roster.

I say no to Beaubois!

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Matt52 wrote:

Darius Morris on LAL is a 6'4" PG who I would have interest in - low risk, high reward - plus a pick, of course. However, a trade with LA would need another team.

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Morris still has a LOT to learn in terms of being a true point guard. You say low risk, high reward - Morris at best could be a solid bench/rotational player. This team needs a guy on the court who will be a calming influence to these young players. Trading Calderon for Morris and a very low 1st round selection is called selling very low.

Seems to be a consensus to look to move someone for an additional pick. I'm only in agreement with this if it's a lottery pick which is highly unlikely. With JV and our own pick (top 10 I think is safe to predict) are going to need steady minutes. Adding a third rookie who needs time sets us up for serious growing pains and delaying the "culture change" another year. With Demar, Davis and JJ all just starting to settle into their respected roles and get experience I think two rookies is enough.

I'd keep Jose around unless a deal comes up that you can't say no to. He'll be great to help the two rookies next year and hopefully be willing to sign an extension to eventually become the back up PG going forward.

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MangoKid wrote:

Morris still has a LOT to learn in terms of being a true point guard. You say low risk, high reward - Morris at best could be a solid bench/rotational player. This team needs a guy on the court who will be a calming influence to these young players. Trading Calderon for Morris and a very low 1st round selection is called selling very low.

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For what it is worth, I would rather Darius Morris getting a shot to run the show rather than Jerryd Bayless to end the season. As a 21 year old rookie, I would imagine he has a lot to learn. Luckily he has a solid foundation. He was asked to do a lot at Michigan last season which resulted in forcing the issue at times.

Also, it would be very difficult to label it 'selling very low' as would depend on what happens this summer from the added flexibility of shedding Jose's contract. Also, having an extra draft pick that will likely be in 20-25 range will certainly add options. Of course, the salary cap space is for more than free agency.

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Matt52 wrote:

For what it is worth, I would rather Darius Morris getting a shot to run the show rather than Jerryd Bayless to end the season. As a 21 year old rookie, I would imagine he has a lot to learn. Luckily he has a solid foundation. He was asked to do a lot at Michigan last season which resulted in forcing the issue at times.

Also, it would be very difficult to label it 'selling very low' as would depend on what happens this summer from the added flexibility of shedding Jose's contract. Also, having an extra draft pick that will likely be in 20-25 range will certainly add options. Of course, the salary cap space is for more than free agency.

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Why would you rather Morris as opposed to Bayless running the point? You know what Bayless can do. Morris is still very much a mystery.

I think you're a bit more optimistic about what will occur over the summer. I don't believe that Colangelo and crew will do much. They told us last summer how they wanted to go young and not rush anything. A pick for this team in the 20-25 range basically equates to us acquiring a bench depth player. I'm not too fond of that deal.

I'm all for some Roddy Buckets

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Matt52 wrote:

From Chris Broussard at ESPN



I think we could classify moving either of the above as a major change.

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Whoa.

Although its unlikely, I hope BC isn't just hanging up on GM's calling about Bargs. While I think hes our best piece moving forward (along with Val) I'd certainly move him for the right price ie. lotto pick(s) and young talent

If I'm the GM you gotta throw a ridiculous offer at me to pry a 7ft match up nightmare making 9.5 million a year. I think Bargnani is now the only person that is safe.

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MangoKid wrote:

Why would you rather Morris as opposed to Bayless running the point? You know what Bayless can do. Morris is still very much a mystery.

I think you're a bit more optimistic about what will occur over the summer. I don't believe that Colangelo and crew will do much. They told us last summer how they wanted to go young and not rush anything. A pick for this team in the 20-25 range basically equates to us acquiring a bench depth player. I'm not too fond of that deal.

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That is why I would prefer Morris running the point.

When Colangelo has said repeatedly the plan is to hit the ground running next year, I believe him. If you don't believe BC and Co. won't do much this summer, then that is where we have a difference of opinion.

A pick in the 20-25 range combined with salary cap space and a couple of young players might turn in to a bigger piece. A 20-25 pick in a deep draft could net a decent player as well. Players always slip - it would be nice to grab one. A 20-25 pick could also develop for a few seasons on a rookie contract and become something.

You guys think the blazers make a move for a big with oden out for the year? i know the news is shocking to everyone, but clearly they can't bank on him and i read rumors of the blazers cutting him outright.

amir/ed for batum maybe?

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Matt52 wrote:

That is why I would prefer Morris running the point.

When Colangelo has said repeatedly the plan is to hit the ground running next year, I believe him. If you don't believe BC and Co. won't do much this summer, then that is where we have a difference of opinion.

A pick in the 20-25 range combined with salary cap space and a couple of young players might turn in to a bigger piece. A 20-25 pick in a deep draft could net a decent player as well. Players always slip - it would be nice to grab one. A 20-25 pick could also develop for a few seasons on a rookie contract and become something.

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agree 100%

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ceez wrote:

You guys think the blazers make a move for a big with oden out for the year? i know the news is shocking to everyone, but clearly they can't bank on him and i read rumors of the blazers cutting him outright.

amir/ed for batum maybe?

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i know we've talked about this in depth but suddenly it looks very, very real.

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ceez wrote:

You guys think the blazers make a move for a big with oden out for the year? i know the news is shocking to everyone, but clearly they can't bank on him and i read rumors of the blazers cutting him outright.

amir/ed for batum maybe?

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Also, Oden is going to be an UFA next summer.

I don't think Batum will be traded - oh how I'd love to be wrong on that though. It would be really good to have the right to match an offer versus have to extend one.

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I see Portland trying to get through this season and pursuing a C via free agency. There are a few RFA's who might not stick with their team and a few good UFA as well (I am not implying all of these players would be options for Portland):

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Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $18.1 million – Early Termination Option ($19.5 million)
Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $14.9 million – Team Option ($16.1 million)
Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Washington Wizards – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Portland Trail Blazers – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Golden State Warriors – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

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WJF wrote:

I liked what Morris showed from his freshman to sophomore years at Michigan. He is a big PG and seems like a player that works to get better. He does not get by on athleticism and he does concern me on defence (i he quick enough), but I would be happy with him on the roster.

I say no to Beaubois!

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Not that it says much but Mike Brown noted that Morris was hard working and the FASTEST player on the Lakers.

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Matt52 wrote:

For what it is worth, I would rather Darius Morris getting a shot to run the show rather than Jerryd Bayless to end the season. As a 21 year old rookie, I would imagine he has a lot to learn. Luckily he has a solid foundation. He was asked to do a lot at Michigan last season which resulted in forcing the issue at times.

Also, it would be very difficult to label it 'selling very low' as would depend on what happens this summer from the added flexibility of shedding Jose's contract. Also, having an extra draft pick that will likely be in 20-25 range will certainly add options. Of course, the salary cap space is for more than free agency.

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Agree 100%

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Matt52 wrote:

That is why I would prefer Morris running the point.

When Colangelo has said repeatedly the plan is to hit the ground running next year, I believe him. If you don't believe BC and Co. won't do much this summer, then that is where we have a difference of opinion.

A pick in the 20-25 range combined with salary cap space and a couple of young players might turn in to a bigger piece. A 20-25 pick in a deep draft could net a decent player as well. Players always slip - it would be nice to grab one. A 20-25 pick could also develop for a few seasons on a rookie contract and become something.

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Personally, I like Bayless. I've always liked his game, since he was at Arizona, so we're going to have to agree to disagree. I'm intrigued by Morris' length, but that's all I'm intrigued by. He put up some solid numbers in his sophmore year at Michigan, but it raises some flags as to why he dropped to the second round in what was considered a weak draft.

Colangelo has said that his plan is to 'hit the ground running' next season, but as to what his definition of that, who knows. He's going to have to make moves that makes sense for this team going forward, not just for the here and now. I always figured that the goal was to add quality, young players and let them grow together as a core and not to deviate from it. however, who knows.

A pick in the 20-25 range is going to net a young, depth player, no question. But in my opinion (and it's just strictly my opinion - because I know you don't agree) that it's not worth to let go of a guy like Calderon for a guy who you're rolling the dice on (Morris) and a late first rounder. Maybe you turn the first rounder in cash by selling it, but it's hard to sell not only your fan base, but your team as well on a move like that.

I voted for 'minor tweak(s)' in the poll.

If the poll was asking for what I think will happen between now and the start of next season, then obviously my vote would have been for 'major change(s). I don't think BC is looking to add an impact player to the core of the team during the season, as it would undermine the goal of building through the 2012 draft (ie: hurt the building *cough* tanking *cough* process).

The most likely moves I see the Raptors making this season, ahead of the trade deadline are all related to dumping non-core pieces for draft picks, cap space and expiring contracts. In other words, nothing significant.


These are the only types of moves I expect to happen before the trade deadline. I wouldn't be suprised if they all happened, nor would I be surprised if only one or even none of them did.
- Barbosa for a late 1st round pick
- Calderon for cap space and mid-late 1st round pick
- Bayless for 2nd round pick
- Davis for early-mid 1st round pick OR Amir for mid-late 1st round pick
- Butler for 2nd round pick (conditional anything or essentially nothing)
- Carter for 2nd round pick (conditional anything or essentially nothing)

I could see BC holding onto assets like Bayless and Amir/Davis, with the intention of turning them (and who knows what else, possibly even DeRozan) into a single, more proven asset (ie: Gay/Mayo from Memphis, Batum, etc...) between the trade deadline and the start of training camp.