OFFICIAL: Landry Fields is a Toronto Raptor

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Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 08:51 PM
thead

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Rebuilding wrote:

Creating exceptions for the Knicks is just helping divisional rivals. We have enough movable pieces + amnesty if we need to make a move. I don’t think we see a sign and trade here that clearly helps the Knicks who are in a very uncertain position in our tight division

we are on pace to be truly relevant within 3 years...which should be just enough time for the Knicks to implode
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 08:53 PM
jbml

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Matt52 wrote:

I'm not sure that is correct.

I asked Coon a question a month back about trading for a player like Gay with little contract going out and the effect on the exceptions. He said they would be kept if the salary cap space is used to facilitate a trade.

So the Raptors could trade for Lowry, then trade for Fields, and have their exceptions left.

Gray could be resigned with his rights and Bayless too.

But to get the cap space we have a pile of renouncing to do basically our own FA's and the TPE. If I am following this discussion correctly.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 08:59 PM
jbml

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Matt52 wrote:

Raps could sign Fields in a S&T using TPE after all other business is done.

That would allow the Raptors to use the cap space they currently have in another trade whereby they could take back up to $6.75M ($11M minus difference in Lowry/Forbes contract). They would also have MLE at disposal and would not have to renounce any players.

This is off the top of my head - if anything is wrong, let me know!

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:07 PM
Bendit

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jbml wrote:

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade

Yes, but cant Fields & Toronto mutually void the rfa offer and go the s&t route as long as the numbers were the same? Unless this is against the nba rules of course.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:10 PM
CalgaryRapsFan

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Rebuilding wrote:

Creating exceptions for the Knicks is just helping divisional rivals. We have enough movable pieces + amnesty if we need to make a move. I don’t think we see a sign and trade here that clearly helps the Knicks who are in a very uncertain position in our tight division

Giving NY a 2nd round pick in a weak draft and a $3.15M TPE is worth it, for the Raps to keep their $5M MLE and $7.6M TPE. We could gain a lot more with what we gain, than NY would likely get with what they gain from the deal. BC just has to pitch it as something VS nothing for NY.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:12 PM
jbml

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Bendit wrote:

Yes, but cant Fields & Toronto mutually void the rfa offer and go the s&t route as long as the numbers were the same? Unless this is against the nba rules of course.

But if you were the knicks and wanted Fields back and the raps needed you to make their deal????
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:15 PM
CalgaryRapsFan

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jbml wrote:

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade

Renounce cap-holds (other than JV), then tell NY to either do S&T or we sign him outright. If they agree, it's done immediately on call with league, so it's not something they can go back on. Toronto would lose rights to Bayless, but keep MLE and TPE.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:20 PM
Matt52

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jbml wrote:

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade

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jbml wrote:

But to get the cap space we have a pile of renouncing to do basically our own FA's and the TPE. If I am following this discussion correctly.

I think you are correct on this with the exception of he is a RFA.

To make the offer, the Raps must have the cap space. However, if NY signs him to the deal ($6.3M per season, forget poison pill, or $6.05, $6.32, $6.1 - 3 years/$18.97M) and sends him to Toronto, then we are all good.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:21 PM
jbml

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CalgaryRapsFan wrote:

Renounce cap-holds (other than JV), then tell NY to either do S&T or we sign him outright. If they agree, it's done immediately on call with league, so it's not something they can go back on. Toronto would lose rights to Bayless, but keep MLE and TPE.

I see your point, but I am still stuck that we have to relinquish the TPE as well as the Cap holds to get to the point where we can get both Lowry and Fields
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:26 PM
jbml

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Matt52 wrote:

I think you are correct on this with the exception of he is a RFA.

To make the offer, the Raps must have the cap space. However, if NY signs him to the deal ($6.3M per season, forget poison pill, or $6.05, $6.32, $6.1 - 3 years/$18.97M) and sends him to Toronto, then we are all good.

I meant RFA thanks

But we would still require Cap space or the TPE, in which case I do not think we are gaining anything
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:29 PM
Matt52

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jbml wrote:

I meant RFA thanks

But we would still require Cap space or the TPE.

If you have the cap space then you use that to absorb the contract via a trade while keeping all exceptions and cap holds.

You do not have to renounce the TPE to make a trade assuming Toronto/Fields/New York are all in agreement on contract.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:39 PM
jbml

40 mil in Salary
16 mil in holds
14 mil in exemptions

Assuming a cap of 58. We need 47 mil to land Fields and Lowry The math is close but 16 mil in holds plus 7 mil TPE relinquished gives us 47 mil

Are you thinking holds are not a factor in trades?

There may be a chance to hold on to the TPE, but the MLE would be gone??
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 09:45 PM
Matt52

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jbml wrote:

40 mil in Salary
16 mil in holds
14 mil in exemptions

Assuming a cap of 58. We need 47 mil to land Fields and Lowry The math is close but 16 mil in holds plus 7 mil TPE relinquished gives us 47 mil

Are you thinking holds are not a factor in trades?

There may be a chance to hold on to the TPE, but the MLE would be gone??

That is exactly what I am saying - not thinking. It is 100% accurate - unless Larry Coon lied.

http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/sh...l=1#post143706

If Raps could get Fields in S&T, they still have MLE and TPE.
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 10:05 PM
jbml

Ok I see your point.
Tomorrow should be interesting
Tue Jul 10th, 2012, 10:40 PM
CalgaryRapsFan

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jbml wrote:

I see your point, but I am still stuck that we have to relinquish the TPE as well as the Cap holds to get to the point where we can get both Lowry and Fields

You don't have to renounce the TPE, because it's not a cap-hold like RFAs. The TPE can't even be used until the team is over the cap, but they have to get to the cap via trades, not through free agent signings.

I think you are getting stuck because you're adding the $7.6M value of the TPE to the total cap-holds/team salary, which you don't need to do. If you look at the list of cap-holds on shamsports.com, you'll notice that the TPE isn't included in any calculations. A TPE's greatest benefit is enabling a team to add salary beyond the cap.
Wed Jul 11th, 2012, 05:44 AM
Matt52

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sheridanhoops I can predict, from talking to numerous sources, that every single offer sheet except Landry Fields' will be matched.
Wed Jul 11th, 2012, 07:27 AM
Miekenstien

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Matt52 wrote:

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sheridanhoops I can predict, from talking to numerous sources, that every single offer sheet except Landry Fields' will be matched.

this is good news. i expect fields to silence the nay sayers. a bit too much money for what he has shown so far but he will be greatly appreciated here on the republic
Wed Jul 11th, 2012, 08:01 AM
Matt52

With Bayless signing with Memphis, things just became much more clear:

committed salaries: $43.211
Calderon, Bargnani, Amir, Kleiza, DD, JJ, ED, Ross, Forbes

cap holds: $6.702M
Weems, JV, Gray

Raps sign Fields at $6.3M per year.

These numbers put the Raps at committed salary at $53.213M. This means the Raps are $169k away from having the MLE. Seems to me they should totally renounce Weems - unless the numbers are not right - as that would remove his cap hold and give them the MLE.

Trade for Lowry and Raps are at $57.463M.

I think the MLE and TPE are both gone UNLESS Gray's rights are kept and he is signed with half the MLE leaving the other half ($2.5M) available. If MLE and TPE are both gone, room exception is what signs Gray.
Wed Jul 11th, 2012, 08:08 AM
enlightenment

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Matt52 wrote:

With Bayless signing with Memphis, things just became much more clear:

committed salaries: $43.211
Calderon, Bargnani, Amir, Kleiza, DD, JJ, ED, Ross, Forbes

cap holds: $6.702M
Weems, JV, Gray

Raps sign Fields at $6.3M per year.

These numbers put the Raps at committed salary at $53.213M. This means the Raps are $169k away from having the MLE. Seems to me they should totally renounce Weems - unless the numbers are not right - as that would remove his cap hold and give them the MLE.

Trade for Lowry and Raps are at $57.463M.

I think the MLE and TPE are both gone UNLESS Gray's rights are kept and he is signed with half the MLE leaving the other half ($2.5M) available. If MLE and TPE are both gone, room exception is what signs Gray.

I thought we already renounced weems?
Wed Jul 11th, 2012, 10:09 AM
Matt52

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enlightenment wrote:

I thought we already renounced weems?

His qualifying offer was withdrawn. Not the same thing as renounced.

He is still a cap hold of 2 year veteran minimum of $854k.

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