The price of Iggy.

Deng was an all star last season. And all NBA defensive 2nd team. He's a proven winner, an unselfish player, a legit permimeter defender, a capable scoring option, he has playoff experience, and is a veterna leader. In my opinion, he is the best player that's been listed as a potential trade target and he is just what our team needs. But, again, we don't have the trade chips to make it worthwhile for Chicago and I certainly don't want to take on Boozer's deal in return. It's shocking to me that anybody here would say no to a Demar-Jose/Deng deal.

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planetmars wrote:

Iggy and Deng have had very similar careers. Using their career stats, I find that Deng is actually a better player.

Perhaps Chicago would be interested in a similar trade for Deng as Philly was about to do for Iggy. If that was the case, I'd be interested in making that deal happen.

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It's just a personal preference. I think Deng is more of an injury risk and also think that Iggy's stats declined because of the role he was asked to play. A case could certainly be made for Deng (as has been discussed on a few other threads this offseason). It's just my personal opinion, that Gay is the only player I would be willing to make that trade for. Iggy would be 50/50, and then only if he at least exercised his option, since the package is way too much to giveup for one year rental.

I'm glad we didn't acquired Igoudala. He's not at all worth that price. What was also interesting(interview) is that Jose could probably still be traded before the season begins.

my two cents...

If Andre Igoudala had four years left on his deal I would take that trade.

BUT

Andre Igoudala's contract expires this season with an option for next season.

He would likely opt out and sign a long term deal with a contender ala Gerald Wallace

We would likely not be the place his decided to sign. At the end of this season we would be out

Ross/Lowry/Jose/Davis/Igoudala and have nothing to show for it. LIKELY.

IF he opted in for the MONEY. We would likely be in the same boat again.

IN SHORT

this deal, without assurances of an extension, was selling the future for one season.

the updated price is derozan ,ed davis, jose calderon an this year 1st pick (therefor dont affect the lowry trade)
If and only if he got to speak with iguodala and get a longterme deal i would do it in a heart beat
but then again with no commitment from AI i am happy colangelo didn't ...

PS:ross might have a better career inth end only time will tell
(i hope we wont give a max deal to derozan next year)

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DG88 wrote:

I laugh at them all the time. Some people don't understand how much you have to give up to get a high value player. They're not cheap and you can't just give you're scraps away thinking that it will net you a star.

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What did Denver have to give up for Iggy? Arron Afflalo
Lakers gave up Marc Gasol and 'biggest bust of all time" for Pau Gasol

not all the time do you need to give up star quality players. It depends on situation, finance, and fit.

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ab7 wrote:

the updated price is derozan ,ed davis, jose calderon an this year 1st pick (therefor dont affect the lowry trade)
If and only if he got to speak with iguodala and get a longterme deal i would do it in a heart beat
but then again with no commitment from AI i am happy colangelo didn't ...

PS:ross might have a better career inth end only time will tell
(i hope we wont give a max deal to derozan next year)

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Where is derozan coming into this? It was this year pick, future, Jose, and believed to be ED.

Essentially getting AI would have meant no PG (no KL or JC), No Ross, no fields (no cap space), no ED, limited flexibility, no 2014 pick, and possibly nothing after next year to show for any of it.

Price was high because he's going to be in the same division...

However thinking about the situation at hand and Jose... There might be a chance that this year we can win a NBA championship if all the pieces fall together at the right time after the allstar game... It's anyone trophy when you enter the playoffs and match up seeds becomes problems...

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Nilanka wrote:

At this rate, it may cost MLSE the Leafs and TFC in order to nab Gay from Memphis.

I'd still make the trade...

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I wouldn't object to that trade...But at the price Philly wanted, I'm glad we stuck with what we have.

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Father rev wrote:

Price was high because he's going to be in the same division...

However thinking about the situation at hand and Jose... There might be a chance that this year we can win a NBA championship if all the pieces fall together at the right time after the allstar game... It's anyone trophy when you enter the playoffs and match up seeds becomes problems...

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WHOA DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! DUDE!

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

Let's stay right where we are with hopes of 8th seed ;)

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Father rev wrote:

Price was high because he's going to be in the same division...

However thinking about the situation at hand and Jose... There might be a chance that this year we can win a NBA championship if all the pieces fall together at the right time after the allstar game... It's anyone trophy when you enter the playoffs and match up seeds becomes problems...

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You are either the troll of the year or the new starting floor general for the Raptors All-Homer Team.

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Matt52 wrote:

Where is derozan coming into this? It was this year pick, future, Jose, and believed to be ED.

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go reverify derazan was in the deal it was the pick ed jose and derozan a per last report on hoops hype

No way I would have done this deal as well. I think it really was a steep offer, as it should be, seeing the Raptors are divisional rivals.

I am still hoping for an early Memphis collapse, and trade low for Rudy Gay.

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ab7 wrote:

go reverify derazan was in the deal it was the pick ed jose and derozan a per last report on hoops hype

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I am going off this interview. nowhere is demar mentioned. see original post and listen to interview.

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theycallmeZZ wrote:

WHOA DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! DUDE!

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

Let's stay right where we are with hopes of 8th seed ;)

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NoBan wrote:

You are either the troll of the year or the new starting floor general for the Raptors All-Homer Team.

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haha

"Let's stay right where we are with hopes of 8th seed"
and see how our first round match up goes with the heat before we get into round 2

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Matt52 wrote:

Essentially getting AI would have meant no PG (no KL or JC), No Ross, no fields (no cap space), no ED, limited flexibility, no 2014 pick, and possibly nothing after next year to show for any of it.

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Doesn't that depend on when the trade would have been consummated? If Philly was specifically targeting Ross, then it would seem to have been at least after the draft. Even after the Lowry deal, a similar deal could still have been struck with Philly, if Toronto was able to turn other assets (ie: future 2nd round picks and cash) into a future 1st round pick. Given that the combined salary of Calderon & Davis & Ross (~$15.33M) is more than Iggy (~$14.72M), it also wouldn't have had any negative impact on the salary cap (ie: signing of Fields). Had Philly not traded Iggy to Denver, the only thing standing in the way of that deal being made today, is Toronto's ability to secure a future 1st round pick via trade.

Regardless, I agree that the price was too high to pay, if BC had the feeling that Iggy would wind up being a rental player. That likely would have ended BC's tenure as Raptors GM, no matter how good a season they had this year with Iggy on the roster.

However, I would still do that deal in a heartbeat for Rudy Gay ($16.5M), with either Ross or DeRozan involved (remaining player would become a fantastic 6th man scorer off the bench for Toronto). I just don't see Memphis being as high on Davis as Philly was, since Memphis already has Randolph and Arthur at PF. Plus, Toronto would still need to acquire that future 1st round pick - they have 2 2nd round picks in 2013, 1 2nd round pick in 2014 and cash to work with, so it likely wouldn't be too difficult.

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CalgaryRapsFan wrote:

Doesn't that depend on when the trade would have been consummated? If Philly was specifically targeting Ross, then it would seem to have been at least after the draft. Even after the Lowry deal, a similar deal could still have been struck with Philly, if Toronto was able to turn other assets (ie: future 2nd round picks and cash) into a future 1st round pick. Given that the combined salary of Calderon & Davis & Ross (~$15.33M) is more than Iggy (~$14.72M), it also wouldn't have had any negative impact on the salary cap (ie: signing of Fields). Had Philly not traded Iggy to Denver, the only thing standing in the way of that deal being made today, is Toronto's ability to secure a future 1st round pick via trade.

Regardless, I agree that the price was too high to pay, if BC had the feeling that Iggy would wind up being a rental player. That likely would have ended BC's tenure as Raptors GM, no matter how good a season they had this year with Iggy on the roster.

However, I would still do that deal in a heartbeat for Rudy Gay ($16.5M), with either Ross or DeRozan involved (remaining player would become a fantastic 6th man scorer off the bench for Toronto). I just don't see Memphis being as high on Davis as Philly was, since Memphis already has Randolph and Arthur at PF. Plus, Toronto would still need to acquire that future 1st round pick - they have 2 2nd round picks in 2013, 1 2nd round pick in 2014 and cash to work with, so it likely wouldn't be too difficult.

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If the trade was consummated before, no Ross because Raps would pick who the 76ers wanted. If the trade was consummated after, no Ross because he'd be in the trade package.

Fields could have been brought in but there still would have been a hole at PG.

Houston didn't just want a 1st round draft pick for Lowry, it appears they wanted to acquire a lottery pick. Many seem to think that is what the Raps 2013 pick is. I hope they are proven incorrect in the next few months.

Raps 2nd second round pick is in 2014 from Sacto.

I'd love the Raps to get Gay but I honestly don't see how it could happen given the packages Cleveland and Houston could offer. Then there is the new ownership in Memphis that appears to be solid. Local ownership group is being brought on board with Pera.... hell they even have Justin Timberlake. No luxury tax might have been Heisley's mantra, can't say the same about the new group. Time will tell and I"d love to be wrong.