The positive thing about all these losses is that it may force BC to pull the trigger some trades. This could help move AB or JC. Chasing 9th place won't result in any trades.
The positive thing about all these losses is that it may force BC to pull the trigger some trades. This could help move AB or JC. Chasing 9th place won't result in any trades.
lol totally.Quote:
Miekenstien wrote:
The problem is no one will take Bargnani unless they're getting something good to go along. Jose's expiring contract would be a big attraction, as would a young prospect like Ed Davis. You're not going to find a single team willing to trade for Bargnani straight up unless you're trading an equally bad player/contract back. In which case why even bother making the trade at all.Quote:
GameBreaker wrote:
Pretty much this.Quote:
ebrian wrote:
All of the deals that have Bargnani being moved for players like Josh Smith/Gasol/Varajeo/Millsap/etc. are pipe dreams unless the Raptors are willing to package multiple assets (pick two from the group of Calderon/Davis/Ross/picks) along with him. The market for a historically poor rebounding volume shooter with no interest in playing D is going to be a small one. Teams will not want Bargnani for the same reasons that Toronto is trying to move him; it's becoming increasingly difficult to make the case that you can put a winning team on the floor with him as a focal point.
It then becomes a case where you may be cutting off your nose to spite your face as the potential benefits you receive from moving Bargnani and acquiring one of those players is nullified by the other pieces you have to let go of.
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Fully wrote:
Better that BC use some of his European connections to get someone to put a horses head in bed with AB. Make hom an offer he can't refuse that involves playing D, and driving and kicking.
Hey bargs, leave the team. take the canoli
I was on the decision of keeping Calderon, but it seems trading him + Calderon + asset + 2nd round picks would be best for this team. Acquiring 2-3 assets (guard/wing/big) & a first rounder could be ideal.
I was almost with you until I read that line and my face had the same expression as your Krusty avatar.Quote:
madeupid25 wrote:
Also, Calderon should be traded...I actually thought we should have kept TJ Ford instead of him...As nice as his AST/TO ratio is, I dare someone to look at our record with him in as a starter. I gaurantee you all that its below 500. I would actually bet that we were never even above 500 for a significant period of time (maybe 2 weeks? a month?)
He seems like a great guy, but he should have been traded years ago when it was painfully obvious that he couldn't keep his man in front of him on D
The worst part about Bargnani is that he has the physical tools to be a great defender! That's what upset me so much. He capable of it but, it's actually all about his effort. There no under 7 footer in the league that can move better laterally than Andrea and plus he has a 7-1 wingspan to boot. It's not like his Calderon that he physically can't keep up players and his position. Every time Barney gets put in a iso I expect him to get a stop. He has the strength, quickness and length to stop any PF at any time. He just doesn't always want it.Quote:
madeupid25 wrote:
At the end of the day, it's a business, and you can only be so successful winning so little games. Time to shake up the team, Bargnani and Calderon have been here for years now, and how good has our success been over the years? Especially with those guys big parts of the team? Exactly. I would love to have Calderon retire a raptor, but we aren't getting anywhere when they can't guard their guys.Quote:
BallaBalla wrote:
Barny and linas Klezie for Paul Gasol. Raps keep calrdone who would love to play with gasol and the lakers get a stretch 4 in barny and a good backup to Meta. La has no reliable SF to back Meta.
I think this is good for both team. I would even include a second round pick to give to LA
#tradebarney
Gasol is no longer much better than Bargs, certainly not for the next 3 years.Quote:
trademachine wrote:
Pass.
In your opinion he isnt much better, but on a team, like the raptors, he would flourish, be a great mentor for JV and other bigs, could play more back to the basket than he does with LA, show of his craftiness, be a leader, number one option, would do that trade in a heartbeatQuote:
KeonClark wrote:
I agree that Bargs has overstayed his welcome and BryCo should consider a trade - but Jose? Having him and Lowry at point is one of our strongest roster points - maybe not at the defensive end, but when we throw that second unit out there with rookies and rawer offensive players, we need Jose's steady hand out there initiating the offense and getting his shots up too. Have you seen how stagnant the second unit has been with Lucas running the point? Trading Jose would give us a nightly helping of that every game.
Hahaha. he is wayy better than bargnani! don't even kid yourself man. He can do everything better than bargnani cept maybe score. He's a HOFQuote:
KeonClark wrote:
Perspective:
Pau Gasol is one month older than David West.
What does the Hall of Fame have to do with the Raptors current squad? You go ahead and trade for the 32 year old, that will really help us 3-5 years down the road when we want to contend and we lost an asset for a retired player.Quote:
NoPropsneeded wrote:
love the idea...but pau gasol is NOT the answer....simply not playing bargnani and calderon would be better