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I mean, before tonight's game i was pretty optimistic that they could turn this thing around. But losing to the Sacramento Kings? not just that, the way they lost was embarassing. Kings could do anything they want offensively.
So i ask the question, is this Raps team really this bad? like top 3 pick bad? i'm starting to think that they are. Pretty sad because it's only December but it might be time to talk about next year's draft already.
No, they are not top 3 bad.Quote:
TRex wrote:
Yes, they are bad.
To me now they better be a Top 3 bad. What's the point to land on 4-9th spot once again, giving pick away. We need some serious talent. Be the worse, imo. Nobody cares about reputation and dignity anymore, it is unavailable to restore it, it can only be fixed by long term success or franchise name change. Just play the way you are playing guys. Keep commander Macaroni a.k.a the best player in the team and get us No1 pick. Checking results every morning when you know that it is a loss anyways without even seeing it is meaningless.
This appears to be an absolutely horrendous draft..... still trying to find the silver lining!Quote:
RandomGuy wrote:
I'm not sure if there is a silver lining. This is simply bad. With the team hustling and playing better as a team without Andrea, I think that the rest of the guys are trying to send a message that the big banana needs to go (IMO). I just can't see Lowry pairing with Andrea to work long-term (Kobe stare from Lowry). As for the draft, now I think they're top 3. I really do (not speaking from the heart, but from the brain).Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
Just about the only thing positive this year are their turnover ratio. Other than that, they don't move the ball well, don't score efficiently and worse, cannot defend pylons.
I agree .. probably not top 3 bad. But I dont know how anyone can say we arent looking like top 5-7 bad. It really comes down to AB being historically bad. If he keeps playing like last night, we may well be top 3 bad.Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
I hate to keep saying it .. but doing what we are doing has landed us with the 2nd worst record in the league! Can we please play Ed, T Ross and J Val for 25-30+ mins per game and see what happens? Either we will lose more (not really possible .. but) or hopefuly get a bit of a young nucleus. Either way, extended minutes for AB (unless hes on fire), JC, MP (sorry dude, great game last night .. but you arent part of the future), AA etc do this team no good whatsoever!
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mountio wrote:
I agree on this as well.Quote:
mountio wrote:
I would be thrilled with adding Derrick Williams to the mix as well assuming rumours are correct about Minnesota wanting Gasol. He has shown great flashes in Minnesota. He is still just 21 years of age. We are talking about the #2 pick in the draft 2 years ago.
This is a core I could get excited about:
PG: Lowry
SG: DD
SF: Williams
PF: Davis
C: JV
6th man: Ross
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Matt52 wrote:
I wouldnt mind seeing this core at all!
#FireBC, #TradeBargnani, #TradeCalderon, #PlayJV, #FreeEDDavis, #PlayTRoss, #FireDwaneCasey (Hell and high water has come - time to go down with your ship!)
we have the second worst record in the nba. so the answer is yes. i get the "we're better than the record indicates!" argument somewhat, but the fact is you are what your record is. and for us, its a unlucky shitty team.
The way this season is unfolding, ridding ourselves of Bargnani and adding Derrick Williams would be a dream come true (even if we lose our pick to OKC). The future would look [somewhat] brighter.
Williams, Pekovic, Ridnour and a 1st round pick would be a pretty decent haul for Bargnani/Calderon/Kleiza. Similar to what Houston did in the preseason, loading up on young talent and 1st round picks, it would give BC more assets to work with (either to develop as Raptors or to facilitate additional trades).Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
Something makes me think that there's no way Minnesota is giving us Williams/Pekovic/Ridnour/1stRounder for AB/JC/LK...Quote:
CalgaryRapsFan wrote:
I don't know. I mean they've got losses to Detroit, Sactown and Charlotte in the books. Despite all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments about the tough schedule, they have played a whole bunch of the dregs of the league and have little to show for it. Then, you look at last night and they got a terrific game from Lowry, production from the SF spot for the first time since dirt was invented, and they still lost rather convincingly to the worst team in the WC. They might be top-3 bad.Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
My assumption was that AB/JC/LK would go to the Lakers, with Gasol going to Minnesota, while Toronto got the young players from Minny. Even without a 1st round pick coming back, it would be a pretty decent trade for the Raps.Quote:
omgsomuchpotential wrote:
No, they (hypothetically!) would be giving it up for Pau Gasol.Quote:
omgsomuchpotential wrote:
Seriously? Only the homers thought this team would make it to the playoffs as an 8th seed.
Hate all you want but a healthy Orlando, Cleveland, and Detroit team are all slightly better than the Raptors. That just shows how garbage the Raps are.
After i red this http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...out_2013_Draft i started to think that Raptors may not get 4th pick this year, we might win the lottery in this extremely poor draft and then OKC will draft 4th in Wiggins and Jabari Parker draft...
As it stands now, the Raptors pick going to OKC has no chance of being a 1 to 3 pick it 2014.
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mountio wrote:
If you added Demar into this i would be very happy (as well as lowry) these 5 players i like and are the only ones i see hope in maybe not in our plans but at least to give us some talent and value assests. Demar has impressed me beyond what i thought tbh but he's playing for a team that wants to feed a guy who sucks. Even when hes "hot" he sucks takes terrible shots if they go in they go in but he gives it all up on the other end anyways so doesn't matter.
Good quote