Rudy Gay is another piece to be added if you are bringing other pieces as well because he himself is not going to make your team a whole lot better right now. If Memphis want Ed, Jose and Ross then its going to be an addition by subtracting and the Raptors will suffer as a result since their team is currently build on a balanced system of players where the two units help each other out.
This is why the deal doesn't make sense at the moment unless Colangelo has more up his sleive, otherwise I wouldn't do it right now and possibly wait untill the summer where Gay stock will likely to drop some more (if he hasn't moved by then) and the Raptors would be in a better position to assess their direction.
Im pretty sure within BCs vision of the team and Casey input Demar, Ross and JV are untouchable core pieces he wants to keep around for the next 5 years unless a legit talent allstar is being pitched our way.
When I read the Gay trade thing I could only lol, really I have no problem with how the turnaround has been continuing with the group and building chemistry and moving Bargnani is a good strategy. Save bigger trades or acquisitions come off season when guys like Milsap our free agents this way.
I'm surprised they didn't take the clippers deal. I'd take that deal and then trade bledsoe away as well. get the picks and Caron to man the 3. trade bledsoe for better picks and another backup. probably be teams lined up for a great young guard like him.
Who to believe in it all????
I believe it was Matt Moore who said the price was rising. Well, surprise, here comes another angle to the story:
As the Memphis Grizzlies continue to shop Rudy Gay, it has become clear that teams aren’t exactly lining up to trade for the 26-year-old forward. The Grizzlies have talked to a number of teams and gauged their interest, but most executives aren’t willing to part with significant pieces to acquire Gay. That could be why Memphis has explored other options such as waiting until the offseason to move Gay or trading Zach Randolph instead.
The Grizzlies’ payroll currently sits at $74,127,785, and with the league’s luxury tax threshold at just over $70 million, Memphis is in danger of having to pay the tax.
If the Grizzlies do trade Gay, don’t expect them to acquire a star player or even a high-potential rookie. The more likely scenario is Gay being traded for a package that includes several role players on short, reasonable contracts and possibly a draft pick. That’s why players like Jared Dudley of the Phoenix Suns and J.J. Redick of the Orlando Magic have been mentioned as realistic targets for Memphis. Bradley Beal of the Washington Wizards was briefly mentioned as a possibility, but that was quickly shot down, which lines up with the idea that teams aren’t willing to move a star-in-the-making for Gay.
One of the biggest reasons that teams aren’t expressing much interest in Gay is because of his contract. He’s owed $16,460,532 this season and then $17,888,932 and $19,317,326 over the next two seasons. He’ll be one of the highest paid players in the league for the duration of his contract and teams don’t seem to think he’s worth that much money.
It doesn’t help that Gay is having one of the worst seasons of his career. It’s hard to justify paying that much money for a player when his numbers are down across the board. This year, Gay has averaged 17.7 points, 5.7 rebounds and 1.4 steals while shooting 41.7 percent from the field and 31.2 from beyond the arc. Those numbers are lower than Gay’s stats over the last two years. The Grizzlies are having success – they currently sit at 24-13 and hold the fourth seed in the Western Conference – but Gay hasn’t been as effective or efficient this year.
Gay’s struggles are why his Player Efficiency Rating is just 14.95, which is below the league average of 15. Gay’s PER hasn’t been that low since his rookie year, when he came off of the bench for half of Memphis’ games and played just 27 minutes per contest. Gay’s PER is just the fifth-best on the Grizzlies and his PER is ranked 140th among all NBA players. In fact, Dudley and Redick both have higher PERs than Gay this season. If you don’t think PER matters, keep in mind that the inventor of PER, John Hollinger, recently joined the Grizzlies’ front office as the team’s vice president of basketball operations.
If a team is trading away significant pieces for Gay and willing to take on his contract, it’s because they believe that he can become a cornerstone of their franchise. The fact that Gay has regressed rather than improved this season is a concern for potential suitors.
The Grizzlies will likely continue to shop Gay and weigh their options over the next month, but finding a trade partner that’s willing to give Memphis the deal that they want before the NBA’s trade deadline on February 21 may be more difficult than expected.
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Thinking more about Gay and I really don't see him being traded before deadline.... could be wrong but I can't see it as they have been building this for so long, they really should give it one last shot.
I still like Gay on the Raptors - but not for anything that includes JV or Ross.
Hopefully Raptors can acquire some more assets to entice Memphis draft night or in the summer. Wilson Chandler would be a good start. Any trade for Gay is not going to be equal on talent due to his contract. Chandler would be a nice starting piece for a trade package. I think he regains form and, due to increased PT, it would happen sooner in Toronto. The key, of course, is not giving up too much to get WC.
how bout this Matty D? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9b5uvt2
you could throw in second round pick or arron gray
handles can be improved and shot creation is just him studying his strengths and weaknesses as a player, hes a rookie only the elite guys come straight out of college and can rack up 20+ a game with just putting the ball in thier hands.
It's a bit early to predict Ross' trajectory, and I don't know how hard he works. However, I tend to think that a Ross-Gay combination works better than a DeRozan-Gay one. It is more balanced on both ends of the floor (and with the salary cap).
- Davis/Amir to Denver for Chandler (to backup Faried at PF, and they are set on the wings)
- Calderon & DeRozan & Chandler to Memphis for Gay & Selby (DD & WC effectively replace Gay & Mayo, while Calderon is $10M savings)
- Gay & Selby to Toronto
I worry that Memphis has lost interest in DeRozan because his new contract no longer represents a significant enough savings from Gay.
I fully agree with not giving up Valanciunas or Ross, but would be happy with any other Raptors being on the trade block right now, with improving overall talent level for the long-term being the goal.